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09-29-2023, 09:48 AM
#201

Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
Yeah, but you are not wrong. These 4 games have been bad. I don't care if we scored 30 when you see the OL bleeding DL against a horrible defense that's ranked 121 out of 130 teams.
The defense allowed the 126th ranked rushing team 144 yards on the ground!
We only had 32 yards rushing against a team allowing 117 per game (with our poor performance factored in)
Wright had 3 carries for -2 yards against a team that allows 117!
Until the OC proves otherwise, we are going to struggle from here out in SEC games. If you think they had the AR figured out, guess what. They know what they see on film with the OL. They are going to play the run, and get after the QB.
Pretty weird flex to get on the offense for lack of running when it was the PA that led to the explosive plays. It was obvious that SC was taking away the run no matter what.
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09-29-2023, 09:51 AM
#202

Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
Yeah, but you are not wrong. These 4 games have been bad. I don't care if we scored 30 when you see the OL bleeding DL against a horrible defense that's ranked 121 out of 130 teams.
The defense allowed the 126th ranked rushing team 144 yards on the ground!
We only had 32 yards rushing against a team allowing 117 per game (with our poor performance factored in)
Wright had 3 carries for -2 yards against a team that allows 117!
Until the OC proves otherwise, we are going to struggle from here out in SEC games. If you think they had the AR figured out, guess what. They know what they see on film with the OL. They are going to play the run, and get after the QB.
SC has played NC, Georgia, and State. They play Tennessee tomahhh. Their beginning schedule has been ridiculous. Those numbers will shirley improve.
I'll repeat- Georgia has played UT Martin, UAB, and Ball State- Ball State has been outscored 129-20 by Kentucky, Georgia, and Georgia Southern.
One of these schedules is not like the other. Stats dont really start leveling out until midway into the season.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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09-29-2023, 10:02 AM
#203

Originally Posted by
Coach34
SC has played NC, Georgia, and State. They play Tennessee tomahhh. Their beginning schedule has been ridiculous. Those numbers will shirley improve.
I'll repeat- Georgia has played UT Martin, UAB, and Ball State- Ball State has been outscored 129-20 by Kentucky, Georgia, and Georgia Southern.
One of these schedules is not like the other. Stats dont really start leveling out until midway into the season.
Furman scored 14 points in the first half against SC. It was 27-14 at the half.
If we are going to compare how SC did against Georgia then it is fair to compare this one too.
I don't think we know what we have yet, but are all hoping we turned it around. But we only scored on SC by PTDF and not RTDF.
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09-29-2023, 10:15 AM
#204

Originally Posted by
msstate7
Pretty weird flex to get on the offense for lack of running when it was the PA that led to the explosive plays. It was obvious that SC was taking away the run no matter what.
All I did was post facts. It was against the 121 defense. That OL is not grasping the blocking. The OC stated he had to do a better job with the OL coaches because even he sees the issues.
PA did not create all of the explosives. Sorry. PA vs Bama with the OL not blocking is going to have any QB sacked before the can turn in get set. Turner and Braswell have 8 sacks with the DL adding another 3. They are going to play man and play to take out the QB.
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09-29-2023, 10:19 AM
#205

Originally Posted by
Santiago
Furman scored 14 points in the first half against SC. It was 27-14 at the half.
If we are going to compare how SC did against Georgia then it is fair to compare this one too.
I don't think we know what we have yet, but are all hoping we turned it around. But we only scored on SC by PTDF and not RTDF.
With more AR designs too
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09-29-2023, 10:22 AM
#206

Originally Posted by
Santiago
Furman put 21 on SC and lots of yards.
I don't see why all the focus on just one game, one matchup, and that we are giving validity to our staff off of relative performance.
We have 4 games to look at our offensive staff, and in the easiest stretch we will see all season. It was bad.
Hoping though that I am totally wrong for the next 8 games.
Cause he buds with the new coaches (home boys) and he wants them to stay. So he coming up with all kinds of excuses for their lack of performance now.
This from the guy who has been the most harsh critic of our past coaches ... especially Leach.
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09-29-2023, 10:25 AM
#207

Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Cause he buds with the new coaches (home boys) and he wants them to stay. So he coming up with all kinds of excuses for their lack of performance now.
This from the guy who has been the most harsh critic of our past coaches ... especially Leach.
When does the OC and offensive line, and form HS coach gurus on our staff get cool nicknames on Sunday mornings? ***
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09-29-2023, 10:27 AM
#208

Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
With more AR designs too
yes. It is such a huge equalizer against better talent. But go ahead Arnett, listen to those in your ear now instead of the coach that had more top 25 upsets in the past 3 years than any other MSU coach.
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09-29-2023, 10:33 AM
#209

Originally Posted by
Santiago
yes. It is such a huge equalizer against better talent. But go ahead Arnett, listen to those in your ear now instead of the coach that had more top 25 upsets in the past 3 years than any other MSU coach.
Clearly..... as it showed against bama for the last 3 years..... equalizer alright.
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09-29-2023, 10:36 AM
#210

Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Clearly..... as it showed against bama for the last 3 years..... equalizer alright.
sure. pick the one game no other coach has won either.
But ignore the 3 years beating more top 25 , with less talent.
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09-29-2023, 10:37 AM
#211
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09-29-2023, 10:38 AM
#212

Originally Posted by
Santiago
When does the OC and offensive line, and form HS coach gurus on our staff get cool nicknames on Sunday mornings? ***
LOL ... that do seem to be missing don't it.
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09-29-2023, 10:57 AM
#213

Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Cause he buds with the new coaches (home boys) and he wants them to stay. So he coming up with all kinds of excuses for their lack of performance now.
This from the guy who has been the most harsh critic of our past coaches ... especially Leach.
I only know a few of the coaches but I'm just willing to give them some time and feel like a 500 yard record setting WR performance this past Saturday is something to build on- rather than be pissy about. I expect us to get better on offense- thats probably the biggest difference between me and you. October is a big month for us as a football team
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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09-29-2023, 11:05 AM
#214

Originally Posted by
Coach34
I only know a few of the coaches but I'm just willing to give them some time and feel like a 500 yard record setting WR performance this past Saturday is something to build on- rather than be pissy about. I expect us to get better on offense- thats probably the biggest difference between me and you. October is a big month for us as a football team
Well, no WR got 500 yards, but thank Leach that we have a QB that can hit those passes and WRS that can (when properly taught) run those routes and make those catches in the face of pressure due to the OL not understanding the blocking schemes. That confusion is from the TOP down.
Last edited by BlackSailsDawg; 09-29-2023 at 11:07 AM.
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09-29-2023, 11:18 AM
#215

Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
Well, no WR got 500 yards, but thank Leach that we have a QB that can hit those passes and WRS that can (when properly taught) run those routes and make those catches in the face of pressure due to the OL not understanding the blocking schemes. That confusion is from the TOP down.
Wouldn't you thank Moorhead for will?
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09-29-2023, 11:21 AM
#216

Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
Well, no WR got 500 yards,
Good lord.
I am encouraged by the over 500 yards of offense which included the record setting WR performance under Barbay. Barbay had us doing things we never did under Leach and it was fun to watch after such boring, monotonous checkdowns for 3 years of Airbone offense.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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09-29-2023, 11:22 AM
#217

Originally Posted by
Coach34
I only know a few of the coaches but I'm just willing to give them some time and feel like a 500 yard record setting WR performance this past Saturday is something to build on- rather than be pissy about. I expect us to get better on offense- thats probably the biggest difference between me and you. October is a big month for us as a football team
I'm just doing a small amount of what the Romans have done on here in years past. Now the Romans have decided to be "patient". Amazing.
I'm not really bashing them either. Just ain't getting excited about what we did against what probably is a poor defense. Hell ... I won't get too excited if we upset Bama this week. Cause knowing MSU we might lose the remainder of our games from there.
While I was a Leach fan, unlike you were with Leach, I don't want this staff to fail. I want Barbay and company turn out to be the best OC and O coaching staff in the last 20 years. And I want Will to keep balling out similar to this past weekend.
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09-29-2023, 11:29 AM
#218
I was 100% a Leach- I just hated his offense. He was hilarious and a thinker. Hard to not admire that.
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09-29-2023, 11:49 AM
#219

Originally Posted by
dawgday166
I'm just doing a small amount of what the Romans have done on here in years past. Now the Romans have decided to be "patient". Amazing.
I'm not really bashing them either. Just ain't getting excited about what we did against what probably is a poor defense. Hell ... I won't get too excited if we upset Bama this week. Cause knowing MSU we might lose the remainder of our games from there.
While I was a Leach fan, unlike you were with Leach, I don't want this staff to fail. I want Barbay and company turn out to be the best OC and O coaching staff in the last 20 years. And I want Will to keep balling out similar to this past weekend.
I'm not real excited about last week either until we can string some 400+ yd games in a row vs sec teams. 500+ vs a sec isn't some small feat though... leach did it 3 times - 2020 lsu, 2021 vandy, and 2022 ark.
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09-29-2023, 11:54 AM
#220

Originally Posted by
BlackSailsDawg
Well, no WR got 500 yards, but thank Leach that we have a QB that can hit those passes and WRS that can (when properly taught) run those routes and make those catches in the face of pressure due to the OL not understanding the blocking schemes. That confusion is from the TOP down.
Thank Leach? If you think that ANY of those pass plays are called much less thrown under his watch with the little play napkin, you are kidding yourself. Leach didn’t know what the words play action meant.
Whether it was Will or Barbay, who gives a shit. At least he took some shots. FOR ONCE in his career. Let’s hope that continues for the rest of the season and we see what happens against beatable opponents.
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