Bruce Pearl and opportunities

[C222]

Bad ass top 15 coaches are popular. Very popular. They make friends with whoever they please. Some of these new friends have a sudden new enthusiasm for MSU basketball and would like to help however they can.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...n-donation-to/

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/articl...57&TRID=1&TID=

http://www.coachad.com/pages/Breaking-News---Mississippi-State-Receives-$12-Million-Gift-For-Football-Operations-Facility.php

The money is out there. New coach brings it in. Not hard to follow.

Not trying to argue, just curious as to what Top 15 coach you think we could get?

[Coach34]

Bad ass top 15 coaches are popular. Very popular. They make friends with whoever they please. Some of these new friends have a sudden new enthusiasm for MSU basketball and would like to help however they can.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...n-donation-to/

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/articl...57&TRID=1&TID=

http://www.coachad.com/pages/Breaking-News---Mississippi-State-Receives-$12-Million-Gift-For-Football-Operations-Facility.php

The money is out there. New coach brings it in. Not hard to follow.

Well, thanks for proving my point.

We dont have the money to do it- without boosters pumping some green in to pay for it. You think that was gonna happen after firing Stands? Let me answer- **** no it wasnt. Would it now? Possibly. But that is what has to happen- BEFORE- we make a move.

It takes a village

[Hypnodawg]

Brick is over paid. He would have taken the job for $500k + $500k in performance (or someone equally qualified). 2 years of not performing would mean we could offer $1M + $1M in performance.

We paid through the nose to gamble on a nameless coach. You can gamble on nobody's without paying a premium. I'm not sure it was physically possible for SS to screw up any worse than he did.

[Coach34]

Brick is over paid. He would have taken the job $500k + $500k in performance (or someone equally qualified). .

This is the SEC- not the SWAC. You cant pay a coach less than $1M. And as far as cleaning up the program and eliminating the constant drama- he's been outstanding. Now the wins have to come.

[Hypnodawg]

We can and should pay someone no more than they are worth. He is worth no more than $500k and probably less. $500k is the compensation for a 40+ NCAA tournament team. There is no, zero, zip reason to pay him more than others that are doing more with less. And much less at that. You don't pay $1M just because that's what the job pays. The you are paid what you are worth, and 3-15 in the SEC isn't worth $1M.

[dawgs]

Not trying to argue, just curious as to what Top 15 coach you think we could get?

it's doesn't have to be a top 15 coach, prohm or bryce drew would have excited the fanbase and opened up some pocket books too. obviously eventually the Ws have to come on the court to keep the cash flow coming, but at least they kick started things on the front end which makes it easier to start winning on the court later. we on the other hand, hired a coach that literally got the least amount of excitement from the fanbase possible. no pocketbooks opened up, and sure they might if he starts winning, but not only did he come into a bad situation and have no experience as a HC or an elite level assistant, but he doesn't have the pocketbooks behind him helping him along either, which makes it that much more difficult. now you can argue the fanbase should be throwing money behind whoever we hired, and maybe that's partially right, but you aren't going to convince smart, successful people with the kinda money to donate millions or even hundreds of thousands to the program to a guy they don't believe in or have no reason to believe in. they wouldn't be millionaires with money to burn if they just threw money away on people they don't trust or believe in.

[dawgs]

We can and should pay someone no more than they are worth. He is worth no more than $500k and probably less. $500k is the compensation for a 40+ NCAA tournament team. There is no, zero, zip reason to pay him more than others that are doing more with less. And much less at that. You don't pay $1M just because that's what the job pays. The you are paid what you are worth, and 3-15 in the SEC isn't worth $1M.

paying our MBB coach $500K would make us look like a ****ing joke. more than we already do. paying that little sends a message that reaches far and wide in the coaching community that we don't give a shit, and coaches would hang up on us before we could make an introduction when we start looking around for our next coach. not that it'll matter to strickland. he'll probably just go hire starkville academy's junior high girls coach because he'll "build the program the right way".

[C222]

it's doesn't have to be a top 15 coach, prohm or bryce drew would have excited the fanbase and opened up some pocket books too. obviously eventually the Ws have to come on the court to keep the cash flow coming, but at least they kick started things on the front end which makes it easier to start winning on the court later. we on the other hand, hired a coach that literally got the least amount of excitement from the fanbase possible. no pocketbooks opened up, and sure they might if he starts winning, but not only did he come into a bad situation and have no experience as a HC or an elite level assistant, but he doesn't have the pocketbooks behind him helping him along either, which makes it that much more difficult. now you can argue the fanbase should be throwing money behind whoever we hired, and maybe that's partially right, but you aren't going to convince smart, successful people with the kinda money to donate millions or even hundreds of thousands to the program to a guy they don't believe in or have no reason to believe in. they wouldn't be millionaires with money to burn if they just threw money away on people they don't trust or believe in.

Not sure how many times this needs to be said, we tried to get both of them. Multiple times. You really think those two coaches deserve $2 + mill a year?

[dawgs]

Not sure how many times this needs to be said, we tried to get both of them. Multiple times. You really think those two coaches deserve $2 + mill a year?

yes. if that's the salary they wanted and our next best options were going the rick ray route, then we step up to the plate and and play like a ****ing major conference program and pay the salary. i'd guess having a coach that the fanbase could get behind would have offset a substantial amount of that extra $1M, if being a net gain for us. it's really not that ****ing difficult to grasp that when fans get excited, the money comes in, not just from ticket sales, but other avenues.

but in reality, were they actually demanding $2M or is that just the number tossed around in here due to pearl's deal? do we actually know what they demanded if it actually got that far? or did we just come out low-balling them with $1M offer? if we had opened up with a $1.5M offer, would that have gotten it done?

[C222]

yes. if that's the salary they wanted and our next best options were going the rick ray route, then we step up to the plate and and play like a ****ing major conference program and pay the salary. i'd guess having a coach that the fanbase could get behind would have offset a substantial amount of that extra $1M, if being a net gain for us. it's really not that ****ing difficult to grasp that when fans get excited, the money comes in, not just from ticket sales, but other avenues.

but in reality, were they actually demanding $2M or is that just the number tossed around in here due to pearl's deal? do we actually know what they demanded if it actually got that far? or did we just come out low-balling them with $1M offer?

So, at the time of the search, if we hired Bryce Drew and payed him $2 million, the fan base would've been happy? Get the **** out of here.

[dawgs]

So, at the time of the search, if we hired Bryce Drew and payed him $2 million, the fan base would've been happy? Get the **** out of here.

the fanbase isn't going to give too much of a shit about the salary unless we are vastly underpaying and costing us coaches. the fanbase would be happy that we went out and got a young guy that's been a HC and had some success and comes from a successful basketball family. that said, i don't think it would have taken $2M. it would have taken more than $1M, but probably not $2M, which is a top 20 national salary.

i think the discussion of auburn paying pearl $2M has somehow morphed into we were offering drew/prohm $2M and they turned it down.

[Hypnodawg]

paying our MBB coach $500K would make us look like a ****ing joke. more than we already do. ".

So we can spend $1M and look like a joke, or we can spend $500k and look like a joke. You are making my point, and put $500k back in the bank while you are at it. We spent top dollar for the same result. Half the coaches in the NCAA tournament are making less than $1M. Why does Brick command that much salary?

[C222]

the fanbase isn't going to give too much of a shit about the salary unless we are vastly underpaying and costing us coaches. the fanbase would be happy that we went out and got a young guy that's been a HC and had some success and comes from a successful basketball family. that said, i don't think it would have taken $2M. it would have taken more than $1M, but probably not $2M, which is a top 20 national salary.

i think the discussion of auburn paying pearl $2M has somehow morphed into we were offering drew/prohm $2M and they turned it down.

I'm trying to figure out what you wanted Scott to do. If he offered Ray $1m, he sure has shit offered Prohm and Drew more. No one wanted our job. No one.

[dawgs]

So we can spend $1M and look like a joke, or we can spend $500k and look like a joke. You are making my point, and put $500k back in the bank while you are at it. We spent top dollar for the same result. Half the coaches in the NCAA tournament are making less than $1M. Why does Brick command that much salary?

we would look like MORE of a joke.

we aren't spending top dollar, we are spending bottom dollar for a major conference program.

half the ncaa tourney is programs from low and mid major conferences. that's why they are making less than $1M, and why it's ****ing ridiculous and a huge indictment of our AD that we couldn't go out and convince one of them to take our shitty job for $1M-$1.5M.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

In an interview done last year Perl said when he got back into it he would go to a school that had won a national championship in some sport. He didn't care if it was basketball because he could take care of that. He needed confidence in the school's administration that they could get done what it took to get there.

So if we had won it all in Omaha instead merely just runner-up a few months ago, we would have had a chance? I'm not buying that logic.

[Dawg61]

I'm trying to figure out what you wanted Scott to do. If he offered Ray $1m, he sure has shit offered Prohm and Drew more. No one wanted our job. No one.

That's blatantly false. Kermit Davis, Kenny Payne, Joe Dooley and Sean Woods all wanted our job. Quit acting like we are Jackson St..

[Coach34]

That's blatantly false. Kermit Davis, Kenny Payne, Joe Dooley and Sean Woods all wanted our job. Quit acting like we are Jackson St..

Sean Woods is the only one I'd take ahead of Ray

[MarketingBully01]

That's blatantly false. Kermit Davis, Kenny Payne, Joe Dooley and Sean Woods all wanted our job. Quit acting like we are Jackson St..

Basically, what it all comes down to is we needed an AD to make this hire that wouldn't take no for an answer like Jay Jacobs did at Auburn. You sell the program to the coach and make the coach believe in your vision and what you will do to make them successful. I wish to heck that Byrne would have made that hire in basketball and Byrne would have fought for us in the Cam Newton situation.

Stricklin has made us look like fools twice but my biggest disappointment with him is he didn't identify his top target go after that target and do whatever it took to get the job done. We made a huge mistake when we went with Loafers. He is more like LT then he is Greg Byrne. For the life of me, I don't understand why we didn't hire Joe Dean, Jr. As the AD. We would be much more relevant in basketball I will tell you that. Saying that Ray was "Stricklin's guy" from the start is the biggest sack of bull shit I have ever seen.

[Dawg61]

Basically, what it all comes down to is we needed an AD to make this hire that wouldn't take no for an answer like Jay Jacobs did at Auburn. You sell the program to the coach and make the coach believe in your vision and what you will do to make them successful. I wish to heck that Byrne would have made that hire in basketball and Byrne would have fought for us in the Cam Newton situation.

Stricklin has made us look like fools twice but my biggest disappointment with him is he didn't identify his top target go after that target and do whatever it took to get the job done. We made a huge mistake when we went with Loafers. He is more like LT then he is Greg Byrne. For the life of me, I don't understand why we didn't hire Joe Dean, Jr. As the AD. We would be much more relevant in basketball I will tell you that. Saying that Ray was "Stricklin's guy" from the start is the biggest sack of bull shit I have ever seen.

Who says we can't just go hire Joe Dean Jr. right now? Bet he's pissed about our basketball program.

[MarketingBully01]

Pearl is not a good hire at this point; he just isn't. Yes, he's won. He's also a complete embarrassment as a person and will ultimately screw you over if he stays long enough.

Why do you think he's at Auburn? Do you honestly believe he had a lot of good options but decided Auburn was the right job for him?

Do you honestly believe this? Did you enjoy our Sherrill years? Sherrill had more baggage then Pearl does at this point. I will say this with a lot of confidence that sans Kentucky with Calipari and Florida with Donovan that every other school in the SEC if they knew they could get Pearl to replace their current head coach they would. That is 12 teams just in the SEC that would do this.

Just by accepting the job at Auburn, he instantly became the 3rd best coach in the league. He has never had a losing season. Mind you he will have his first next year but I think he will have a good team in year 2 and who knows more then likely will make a tourney bid at a shitty Auburn program before we do with our coach. Just sayin...