Bruce Pearl and opportunities

[Coach34]

In addition to that extra million for coaching salary, add in another 100-200K for Pearl wanting a bigger recruiting budget.

[mjh94]

three letters -> R.O.I.

And how would we do this?

We would only make about 1.5 million on ticket sales if we sell out every seat at every home game at the Hump (minus student tickets of course)

[mjh94]

hell, that 10-minute spot on ESPN is worth something. for both basketball and football the way he talked the athletic department. not to mention the publicity the university got as a whole.

[Johnson85]

And how would we do this?

We would only make about 1.5 million on ticket sales if we sell out every seat at every home game at the Hump (minus student tickets of course)

The formula is definitely different in basketball than football, but I think you can do it.

-There is exposure that would be worth something.
-We''d get additional exposure.
-Adding another tournament team (assuming a good MSU/Auburn doesn't just bump the next SEC team around the bubble) is worth a good bit per team in the SEC, but not sure exactly what. I think getting a team from the second round to the sweet 16 can be worth $1m to $2M per team.
-Another big thing is just building the SEC brand. The SEC can't demand top dollar for its tv rights if it's going to write off the second most popular college sport. Like the tourney money, the benefits of this are dispersed throughout the SEC and not captured solely by MSU, but it's not like we'll be getting hosed considering the benefits we get from money other schools invest in football.

All in all, if we are paying anything for our non-revenue sports beyond what's necessary to stay in Title IX compliance, I don't see how the additional costs associated with Pearl wouldn't make sense. National titles in every non-revenue sport wouldn't get us the value that having a consist tourney team in basketball will.

[dawgs]

And how would we do this?

We would only make about 1.5 million on ticket sales if we sell out every seat at every home game at the Hump (minus student tickets of course)

pretty reasonable to expect donations to go up with a good, exciting hire that galvanizes the fanbase. USUALLY when a new hire is made, there's a spike in excitement. with ray there was bewilderment. you don't have to find a successful HC to get everyone excited either, because mullen had everyone fired up because he'd been a national title winning OC and coached a heisman winner. now of course, that doesn't mean i don't want ray to win at msu, because i want all our coaches to win, but to act like hiring a random assistant from a random program doesn't have a negative effect on our program by costing us excitement, buzz, donations, etc. is just turning a blind eye to reality.

[Coach34]

I'm still not seeing something we can put in our budget to pay that extra 1.2 million- in addition to all the other basketball expenses we have already.

You're talking around 3.8 million now in coaching salary and recruiting budget by itself- and we only bring in 1.5-1.8 in ticket sales with complete sell-outs.

C'mon guys- find the money to support your dreams

[C222]

Well, we took a chance on Jackie and it turned out pretty damn skippy. Pearl lied, shit Jackie had more baggage.

I guess you weren't aware of the time he tried to bribe a recruit while he was at Iowa? You know, when he recorded a phone conversation with the kid, trying to get Illinois and the kid in trouble? He's as dirty as it gets.

[dawgs]

I'm still not seeing something we can put in our budget to pay that extra 1.2 million- in addition to all the other basketball expenses we have already.

You're talking around 3.8 million now in coaching salary and recruiting budget by itself- and we only bring in 1.5-1.8 in ticket sales with complete sell-outs.

C'mon guys- find the money to support your dreams

we are one of the few universities where baseball is a profitable sport. football is profitable for us. we get over $20M each year from the conference from TV deals and post-season payouts, and it's only going up. the money doesn't have to come just from basketball ticket sales.

[Percho]

I thought Keennum was the guy all wanted? What happened to the "love"?

[Coach34]

we are one of the few universities where baseball is a profitable sport. football is profitable for us. we get over $20M each year from the conference from TV deals and post-season payouts, and it's only going up. the money doesn't have to come just from basketball ticket sales.

I understand that- but we have one of the lowest budgets in the SEC- and we spend that budget every year. We arent just raking in the dough.

We are 20-30 million behind the big boys in budgets. Our Bulldog Club just got to 10K members. Bama has 75K show up for Spring Practice games spending money supporting their program. All those things matter. We've been behind forever- and closing that gap is hard.

Just because we want something- doesnt mean we can have it yet.

[smootness]

Pearl is not a good hire at this point; he just isn't. Yes, he's won. He's also a complete embarrassment as a person and will ultimately screw you over if he stays long enough.

Why do you think he's at Auburn? Do you honestly believe he had a lot of good options but decided Auburn was the right job for him?

[Johnson85]

I understand that- but we have one of the lowest budgets in the SEC- and we spend that budget every year. We arent just raking in the dough.

We are 20-30 million behind the big boys in budgets. Our Bulldog Club just got to 10K members. Bama has 75K show up for Spring Practice games spending money supporting their program. All those things matter. We've been behind forever- and closing that gap is hard.

Just because we want something- doesnt mean we can have it yet.

We're talking about $700k more than Stansbury was paid, thrown in another $300k for assistants and $200k for recruiting. Not sure those numbers are reasonable, but that's $1.2M per year. That's a lot of extra money for the basketball program to generate immediately, but it's not like the money has to come just from basketball. We currently dump money into lots of sports that will never be a money maker for MSU and that won't ever bring it valuable name recognition. I don't know how hard it'd be to shift money away from non-revenue sports to basketball, but I'm guessing we have half that much just in salaries.

[Coach34]

We already offer the fewest number of non-revenue sports in the SEC. We cant possibly make any more cuts there. We are required to maintain a certain number.

[Dawg61]

I'm still not seeing something we can put in our budget to pay that extra 1.2 million- in addition to all the other basketball expenses we have already.

You're talking around 3.8 million now in coaching salary and recruiting budget by itself- and we only bring in 1.5-1.8 in ticket sales with complete sell-outs.

C'mon guys- find the money to support your dreams

Last I checked $6 million in profit per year covers $3.8 million in expenses. Engie's been bragging on here for the last 4 months that even with the Hump as the current ghost town that it is the basketball program was/is still bringing in $6 mill in the black per year. Now we get the new SECNetwork money coming in and basketball gets it's share of that too. We have plenty of money to afford a top 15 coach. Come up with a different reason Stricklin & Keenum and a bunch of y'all are all for us continuing to be the biggest joke basketball program in the nation right now. It can be fixed.

[Coach34]

Last I checked $6 million in profit per year covers $3.8 million in expenses. Engie's been bragging on here for the last 4 months that even with the Hump as the current ghost town that it is the basketball program was/is still bringing in $6 mill in the black per year. Now we get the new SECNetwork money coming in and basketball gets it's share of that too. We have plenty of money to afford a top 15 coach. Come up with a different reason Stricklin & Keenum and a bunch of y'all are all for us continuing to be the biggest joke basketball program in the nation right now. It can be fixed.

We havent made a $6 million profit in basketball- that is erroneous on all counts. I think he means we brought in 6 million total in basketball. But that 3.8 million doesnt cover all the other expenses- just coaching salaries and recruiting...you have left out a shitload of other expenses. We would easily be over 6 million in expenses in all if we had 3.8 in coaching and recruiting only.

Got to find a way to pay for dreams Dawg61- this aint Obama running the AD office...numbers gotta match up

[smootness]

It's funny to me that people call Stricklin and Keenum cheap, then get mad about things like the Farm Bureau signs. Do people think they're just sitting on a fat pile of money? Obviously they want us to be good as much as anybody else here.

[Dawg61]

They don't have to pay all that money upfront. It gets spread out and the top 15 coach will bring in much more than gets paid out each month. Pretty damn sure MSU can afford one years worth of time for the new coach to bring the excitement back into the program. It only took Dan 9 months and he had DWS & the Junction rocking. New coach will bring MSU more money. That's part of the reason they are a top 15 coach. Quit focusing on the one speck of dust on the gigantic beautiful painting.

[Coach34]

They don't have to pay all that money upfront. It gets spread out and the top 15 coach will bring in much more than gets paid out each month. Pretty damn sure MSU can afford one years worth of time for the new coach to bring the excitement back into the program. It only took Dan 9 months and he had DWS & the Junction rocking. New coach will bring MSU more money. That's part of the reason they are a top 15 coach. Quit focusing on the one speck of dust on the gigantic beautiful painting.

You're not understanding- we can fill up the Hump all we want- we still cant make enough money. We cant sell but 7,500 or so season tickets. Auburn can sell 14-15K season tickets.

We have a cap due to limited seating. I'm trying to figure out where you are getting all this money to pay the expenses?

[Dawg61]

Bad ass top 15 coaches are popular. Very popular. They make friends with whoever they please. Some of these new friends have a sudden new enthusiasm for MSU basketball and would like to help however they can.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...n-donation-to/

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/articl...57&TRID=1&TID=

http://www.coachad.com/pages/Breaking-News---Mississippi-State-Receives-$12-Million-Gift-For-Football-Operations-Facility.php

The money is out there. New coach brings it in. Not hard to follow.

[Hypnodawg]

Me thinks C34 is being intentionally obtuse. He knows money comes from many more sources than seasons tickets.