College Football Players to Sue for Employee Privileges

[ImissCityBagel]

I'm getting to the point where I think that college football should be removed from universities and be formed into minor leagues. 18 year old athletes walking around campus as employees is a mockery.

[Commercecomet24]

I'm getting to the point where I think that college football should be removed from universities and be formed into minor leagues. 18 year old athletes walking around campus as employees is a mockery.

It really is the only solution. They're not student athletes and havent been for awhile. Let those that choose do the their minor league or just go straight to the nfl or nba and let the the kids who need athletic scholarships as a way to pay for school be the ones that benefit from the education. Our society has lost it's collective mind.

[Tbonewannabe]

It will be interesting to see what happens with taxes. All of the sudden does high tuition schools start losing recruits based on how much they would have to pay in on taxes. There is a cap on tax deductions so it isn't like MSU tuition at $5k per semester vs UGA at $20k per semester are equal. Of course the NIL money could make up for the difference in taxes but it does actually make MSU and other lower cost universities a little more desirable.

[Tbonewannabe]

It really is the only solution. They're not student athletes and havent been for awhile. Let those that choose do the their minor league or just go straight to the nfl or nba and let the the kids who need athletic scholarships as a way to pay for school be the ones that benefit from the education. Our society has lost it's collective mind.

Coaches have also basically required year round training now also. The demands put on the "student athlete" are a lot bigger than when they were thought of as students. The work load doesn't allow some majors to even be a consideration which shouldn't be the case if the "student" part of student athlete was true.

[Commercecomet24]

Coaches have also basically required year round training now also. The demands put on the "student athlete" are a lot bigger than when they were thought of as students. The work load doesn't allow some majors to even be a consideration which shouldn't be the case if the "student" part of student athlete was true.

No doubt about that part of it either, but they get perks and benefits that the regular students who are also working sometimes full time jobs and full course loads don't get either. Most students(outside of the extremely affluent) have to work their butts off to help pay for school as well as keeping up their course load and I guarantee most would trade with what the athletes get at anytime.

[viverlibre]

No matter what happens with this lawsuit, NIL has changed college football forever. 10 years from now it will be a totally different sport. Local Jxn sports hosts (like Matt Wyatt) were initially saying NIL wouldn't have a major negative impact on smaller programs (like MSU), but with every Texas lineman (3rd team backups included) set to get $50k annually, that's going to change the game. Can it get to a point that smaller P5 in state programs merge sports programs (like State/UM)? Something to think about. If either or both programs turn into an annual 3-4 win team, no one will be in the stands on either campus. Too many other options competing for one's time, money and attention. We have millionaire boosters, some programs have billionaire boosters.

[Percho]

The L O V E of money

[MedDawg]

Hahah. They don?t realize they already get more than most employees.

ETA: I like the idea. Just pull scholarships. Have them sign a buyout contract. Give them a salary and a signing bonus and let them figure out the rest with NIL deals. Of course, they will have to figure out how to remain in class and pay for tuition, books, room and board?but hey?they get paid like all the other adults now!!! It ALLLLLL equal now. They will even get health insurance (for 4 years) and 4 years towards state retirement (though it takes 8 years to get vested). Smart. Then there is no Title IX to deal with because there?s no federal aid. We can cut most women?s sports and save the university a ton of money.

And have them sign non-compete agreements. No transferring to another school.

[MedDawg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...?ocid=msedgntp

Saw this coming when they pushed and sued for the NIL deal out west. PAC-12 players are killing this sport and it won't stop there. College football is about to be a completely different beast than what it was a couple of decades ago....

If athletes are employees, can a school even have women's-only teams? Gotta be some federal labor rules against it.

[MedDawg]

Also if players are employees, why would they be subjected to NCAA rules? They wouldn't.

For example, if Polk or a Fred Ross or Fitz wants to try the nfl, go ahead. Once they get cut, come on back to Starkville. We will hire you until you find another job or can't play.

Or former Alabama superstar is cut from the nfl at anytime or 26-28 yo. Hire them.

That actually would be pretty cool.

[Catfish]

This is an absolute mess guys.

[R2Dawg]

Hahah. They don?t realize they already get more than most employees.

ETA: I like the idea. Just pull scholarships. Have them sign a buyout contract. Give them a salary and a signing bonus and let them figure out the rest with NIL deals. Of course, they will have to figure out how to remain in class and pay for tuition, books, room and board?but hey?they get paid like all the other adults now!!! It ALLLLLL equal now. They will even get health insurance (for 4 years) and 4 years towards state retirement (though it takes 8 years to get vested). Smart. Then there is no Title IX to deal with because there?s no federal aid. We can cut most women?s sports and save the university a ton of money.

Ha, I like this option.

Pay them their cheesy salary and send them the bill from the University for the rest. They can feel what it is like to be a business owner of one and be equal with all other college students.

They want equity, they can have it. Thing is they don't really want equity.

[RougeDawg]

The people behind moves like this in sports or society will never stop until everyone is equal. Equally miserable. That?s their end goal and will not be satisfied until it happens.

No one ever asks them what they mean by equality. The only possible outcome of true equality is equal misery. Because in order to reach equality, you have to treat different groups unequally. That’s the only way it can happen.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Also if players are employees, why would they be subjected to NCAA rules? They wouldn't.

For example, if Polk or a Fred Ross or Fitz wants to try the nfl, go ahead. Once they get cut, come on back to Starkville. We will hire you until you find another job or can't play.

Or former Alabama superstar is cut from the nfl at anytime or 26-28 yo. Hire them.

This is a good, good point. All these petty tyrants with dumb rules make people mad. Especially with amateurism now officially dead.

There is zero good reason why a kid can't have an agent, tryout of the NFL, and keep their options open. Everybody else gets that right. If an engineering student, gets wind of a gig with SpaceX, they can apply and interview with SpaceX. Doing so does not forfeit an MSU scholarship or even prevent them from coming back later. The student can even request a "hiatus".

Or how about this: The Chicago Bears draft you, but tells you stay in Starkville to play and develop. You are their NIL player. Why can't the Bears do it, but T-Mobile can sign the player. I can already see this as huge for College Baseball.

The Braves draft the next Blaze Jordan. They tell him to stay with momma and Lemonis for 2 years and then report to AA ball. The Braves are just his NIL deal.

[Commercecomet24]

Ha, I like this option.

Pay them their cheesy salary and send them the bill from the University for the rest. They can feel what it is like to be a business owner of one and be equal with all other college students.

They want equity, they can have it. Thing is they don't really want equity.

Exactly. They don't want equity they want their cake and eat it too. I need that kind of gig.

[viverlibre]

This is a good, good point. All these petty tyrants with dumb rules make people mad. Especially with amateurism now officially dead.

There is zero good reason why a kid can't have an agent, tryout of the NFL, and keep their options open. Everybody else gets that right. If an engineering student, gets wind of a gig with SpaceX, they can apply and interview with SpaceX. Doing so does not forfeit an MSU scholarship or even prevent them from coming back later. The student can even request a "hiatus".

Or how about this: The Chicago Bears draft you, but tells you stay in Starkville to play and develop. You are their NIL player. Why can't the Bears do it, but T-Mobile can sign the player. I can already see this as huge for College Baseball.

The Braves draft the next Blaze Jordan. They tell him to stay with momma and Lemonis for 2 years and then report to AA ball. The Braves are just his NIL deal.

I can see the SEC and other P5 leagues signing deals to be development leagues for the NFL. A minor league type system, this may dilute some of the talent stockpiled at Bama, UGA, TOHSU, etc., obviously these schools hold most of the power related to decisions in College Football, so it may be a tough sell.

[parabrave]

Being a former city employee who was on PEERs I forget to add in a few things. Welcome to Crappy insurance which you now have to pay for and wait till they take out your union dues and also your retirement/

[starkvegasdawg]

If they become employees and no class mandate then I can guarantee you 90% will never see the inside of a classroom. They'll leave school with nothing to fall back on when they realize they're not good enough for the nfl. Then we have even more people with zero marketable skills and unemployed on the govt dole unless they do what was suggested earlier and just go back to the school team. But then what does that do to high school kids trying to play? If a coach can fill his roster of 120 good to elite college players that are 22-25 years old who is going to want an 18 year old straight out of high school? Unless he's a Jeffrey Simmons or Chris Jones level player he won't be able to compete with the equivalent of a 25 year old that's been in a college weight room and instruction for the last 8 years.

[Dawgology]

Do other university employees get scholarships for tuition and housing? No.

If they become university employees, then why do they have to enroll in school? They don't.

If they decide to enroll in school, they can attend class on their time. Pay out of their pocket just like every other employee at the school.

The NCAA would have to be disbanded as it requires players to be actively enrolled and passing classes thus the ?collegiate? part.

[Maroonthirteen]

The NCAA would have to be disbanded as it requires players to be actively enrolled and passing classes thus the ?collegiate? part.

The ncaa rules are you have to be an "amateur" to compete in ncaa sports. They define amateurism as someone not paid (among other things) for participation in sports. So....to ever make players paid employees, the ncaa has to go or they have to change their definition on amateurism.