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Originally Posted by
MedDawg
I wouldn't say under Jackie everything worked out just fine. We were put on probation twice and were possibly "forced" to hire Croom. Jackie's problems resulted in horribly bad years from 2001-2008 except 2007.
Having said that, I like Hud and don't think the NCAA would be after him like they were after Jackie Sherrill. I don't want to fire Moorhead for just anyone, but I'd be for replacing Moorhead with Hudspeth.
Certainly had some downs with Jackie, but overall he turned the perception around of what can be done here. That was the main point. Overall my good Jackie memories outweigh the bad ones.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Typically is a bad situation.
Ed Orgeron got the job there after Tom Herman took the Texas job. That worked out well for them. Freeze was an Ole Miss guy at least to a degree. Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. Spurrier at Florida. Houston Nutt at Arkansas. I’d say it works out more times than not.
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Originally Posted by
ScottH
I don't think that scenario is bad in of itself if they are capable.
What's bad would be an entire athletic department that is MSU bred yes people.
In any type of organization, hire the right person don't hire just because of their allegiance.
This all day.
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Originally Posted by
PGHBulldogBG
My first three choices to replace mullen were. Matt Campbell. Neal Brown and Dave Clawson. They were reasonable options with possibly the exception of Campbell at the time. If we can?t get these 3 I would take Huds. Not sold on Norvell or Napier but would rather have Napier or the two. I think they might both be flash in the pan types
Neal Brown would have been a good choice, but I don't think Cohen gave him a passing thought. He was too sold on a northern coach. I note Brown's West Virginia team beat Kansas State last week at Kansas State. I don't think we played too well against Kansas State this year.
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Originally Posted by
NCDawg
Neal Brown would have been a good choice, but I don't think Cohen gave him a passing thought. He was too sold on a northern coach. I note Brown's West Virginia team beat Kansas State last week at Kansas State. I don't think we played too well against Kansas State this year.
What shape was West Virginia when Brown took over? Holgerson won 8 games the year before and seemed to win consistently there. They are 4-6 on the year this year so it seems like a down year for them.
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I predict Neal Brown will be fired at WV in the next couple years.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Ed Orgeron got the job there after Tom Herman took the Texas job. That worked out well for them. Freeze was an Ole Miss guy at least to a degree. Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. Spurrier at Florida. Houston Nutt at Arkansas. I’d say it works out more times than not.
I’m talking the whole bunch, not simply a coach. We’ve already seen one power play to get our AD in place. So we know there are issues already. Too many people with their hands on things is a lot easier when you’ve got nothing but State people in place. Only way we hire Hud is another play or everyone telling us no.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
What shape was West Virginia when Brown took over? Holgerson won 8 games the year before and seemed to win consistently there. They are 4-6 on the year this year so it seems like a down year for them.
They were in bad shape. Lost a ton from 2018.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
I’m talking the whole bunch, not simply a coach. We’ve already seen one power play to get our AD in place. So we know there are issues already. Too many people with their hands on things is a lot easier when you’ve got nothing but State people in place. Only way we hire Hud is another play or everyone telling us no.
And the thing is, Hud >>>>>>Moorhead year 3. If your worst case scenario is still better than what you have then do the damn thing.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
They were in bad shape. Lost a ton from 2018.
They have one losing record (4-8) in the last 15 years, their 2nd year in the Big 12. That was 6 years ago. They have pretty much won 7 or 8 games almost every year and seem to almost always lose the bowl game. It will be interesting how much leeway Brown has there. They are very similar to us but I doubt Brown took over a loaded roster like Moorhead had in his first year.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
They have one losing record (4-8) in the last 15 years, their 2nd year in the Big 12. That was 6 years ago. They have pretty much won 7 or 8 games almost every year and seem to almost always lose the bowl game. It will be interesting how much leeway Brown has there. They are very similar to us but I doubt Brown took over a loaded roster like Moorhead had in his first year.
It is not a similar situation at all. The cupboard was completely bare and Brown taking what he had to be 4-6 is solid. They are also getting better as the year has gone on. I follow WVU fairly closely as I live near Morgantown. Their feeling on Brown is similar to us with Mullen in 2009. Brown should?ve been our first look because he would?ve been a realistic hire and has southern ties. FPI had them projected 2-10 the situation was that bad
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Originally Posted by
PGHBulldogBG
It is not a similar situation at all. The cupboard was completely bare and Brown taking what he had to be 4-6 is solid. They are also getting better as the year has gone on. I follow WVU fairly closely as I live near Morgantown. Their feeling on Brown is similar to us with Mullen in 2009. Brown should?ve been our first look because he would?ve been a realistic hire and has southern ties. FPI had them projected 2-10 the situation was that bad
I agree. Certainly preferable to the Yankee we hired.
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If we hite Hud he will make us an annual 8-9 win team with an occassional shot at the SEC champ. We would be foolish not to hire him...so we probably won't.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Hud is a lot like Cohen. A hot head that thinks he knows everything. People have tried to help him and he refuses that help.
What is your deal with Hud? You keep referencing stuff like this and saying you don't want him back after his previous stints at MSU. WHy not just come out and say what you know if you know something?
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I would take Hud anyday of the week. I want MSU to be tough and competitive he would bring that. Also he would bring stability
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