Here is why you play everybody vs Auburn and LSU

[basedog]

We wont have another team as talented as last season for quite awhile.

Defense yes, but not so much with the offense.

[Homedawg]

Defense yes, but not so much with the offense.

Last year's offense- Jenkins, Calhoun in NFL. Williams will join them. Hill NFL. Williams all sec back before. Phillips and Reese also potential nfl guys. Don't remember another team w more nfl talent on offense. I know WR had some holes. I'll buy that....

[Coach34]

Last year's offense- Jenkins, Calhoun in NFL. Williams will join them. Hill NFL. Williams all sec back before. Phillips and Reese also potential nfl guys. Don't remember another team w more nfl talent on offense. I know WR had some holes. I'll buy that....

exactly- they try to act like the offense wasnt talented when it clearly was- it just wasnt built to be soft like our new staff wants it to be. A coach adapts to his players and amends his offense/defense to what he has. Shoop adjusted the D away from a 3-4 to a 4 man front without any problems. Moorhead adjusted the offense to his players strengths for the Auburn game last year and won a huge game. But refused to stay with it because it wasnt what he wanted to run. He wanted to run his O instead of what was best for the team. Thats the bottom line. We had plenty of talent on offense last year- we just didnt use it correctly.

And dont give the crap about installing his O for the long term of the program. Neither QB we are playing was here last year.

[dawgday166]

exactly- they try to act like the offense wasnt talented when it clearly was- it just wasnt built to be soft like our new staff wants it to be. A coach adapts to his players and amends his offense/defense to what he has. Shoop adjusted the D away from a 3-4 to a 4 man front without any problems. Moorhead adjusted the offense to his players strengths for the Auburn game last year and won a huge game. But refused to stay with it because it wasnt what he wanted to run. He wanted to run his O instead of what was best for the team. Thats the bottom line. We had plenty of talent on offense last year- we just didnt use it correctly.

And dont give the crap about installing his O for the long term of the program. Neither QB we are playing was here last year.

You forgot to include that any coach with half a brain knew this year was gonna be a rebuilding year with younger players. Start the total install this year. Adapt the O last year as you said.

[Coach007]

exactly- they try to act like the offense wasnt talented when it clearly was- it just wasnt built to be soft like our new staff wants it to be. A coach adapts to his players and amends his offense/defense to what he has. Shoop adjusted the D away from a 3-4 to a 4 man front without any problems. Moorhead adjusted the offense to his players strengths for the Auburn game last year and won a huge game. But refused to stay with it because it wasnt what he wanted to run. He wanted to run his O instead of what was best for the team. Thats the bottom line. We had plenty of talent on offense last year- we just didnt use it correctly.

And dont give the crap about installing his O for the long term of the program. Neither QB we are playing was here last year.

Most of that Defense had played in a 4 man front before. To act like that is and equal transition in offense is dishonest. Moorhead is a great coach who has succeeded at every level. We did not hire him to continue Mullen's offense. Our QB couldn't hit the broadside of a friggin barn, and Mullen never trained WRs worth a crap.

1- Stevens grew up in his offense
2- Shrader was 77% this weekend.

Moorhead is our coach and will be for the next 3 years minimum. He should be, and is doing a HELL of a JOB!

[Coach34]

Most of that Defense had played in a 4 man front before. To act like that is and equal transition in offense is dishonest. Moorhead is a great coach who has succeeded at every level. We did not hire him to continue ******* offense. Our QB couldn't hit the broadside of a friggin barn, and Mullen never trained WRs worth a crap.

1- Stevens grew up in his offense
2- Shrader was 77% this weekend.

Moorhead is our coach and will be for the next 3 years minimum. He should be, and is doing a HELL of a JOB!

Moorhead has underwhelmed but is recruiting well. The jury is still out for sure Mrs Moorhead and we will see what happens.

[Coach007]

Moorhead has underwhelmed but is recruiting well. The jury is still out for sure Mrs Moorhead and we will see what happens.

Nah! He's a beast on hiring and on offense. When did Mullen ever recruit a kid that set a record on his first start as a true freshman? Why didn't Mullen have a RB rush for over 100 yards in the first 4 games of a season? This offense is the best offense Ms ST has ever had.

[Homedawg]

Nah! He's a beast on hiring and on offense. When did Mullen ever recruit a kid that set a record on his first start as a true freshman? Why didn't Mullen have a RB rush for over 100 yards in the first 4 games of a season? This offense is the best offense Ms ST has ever had.

This offense? As in this season?? Clarification....

[msstate7]

Nah! He's a beast on hiring and on offense. When did Mullen ever recruit a kid that set a record on his first start as a true freshman? Why didn't Mullen have a RB rush for over 100 yards in the first 4 games of a season? This offense is the best offense Ms ST has ever had.

Total offense = 71st
Yds/play = 49th
Scoring offense = 60th

This offense is historic!

[Tbonewannabe]

To act like we will never have the talent we had last year is the other extreme to 007 thinking we could win 11 this year. We probably have as much talent on the Oline now especially with the freshmen. Gay and Dantzler are both early draft guys even if Errol isn't. Cole has looked good in spurts but this is his first year actually playing from Juco. Abram was a lot better his second year. Rivers has been disappointing but still solid. Autry will probably get drafted unless the suspension hurts him.

If Stevens stays healthy then he could be a mid round draft pick along with Kylin being an early pick. There is talent behind all these guys so the woe is me attitude is just acting like little bitches. Who knows if Moorhead is the right guy but he is a hell of a lot better than several other coaches in the SEC.

[Coach34]

Why didn't Mullen have a RB rush for over 100 yards in the first 4 games of a season? This offense is the best offense Ms ST has ever had.

A) because Mullen usually started the season playing LSU and Auburn in the 1st games of the season.

B) Because Mullen had his QB get as many carries as his TB

C) JRob had 100-plus in games 2-5 in 2014. Dak or JRob had 100-plus in 6 straight games that year. JoMo having a weak schedule to start the season doesnt make for a great offense. We played a soft early schedule yet are 60th in scoring currently and 71st in Total O. Mullen finished 16th in the country in 2014 in scoring O. JoMo wont touch that

[dawgday166]

We'll see at end of year and at draft. I haven't said we couldn't do it again but it is and will be infrequent.

[dantheman4248]

What kinda ground rules, assumptions, and initial values were you using. Those would have a lot to do with your results. I don't believe there is any authentic way the probability for 11 wins was greater than only 6 wins.

99%, 99%, 90%, 80%, 45%, 95%, 35%, 35%, 99%, 15%, 99%, 95%.

Gave 1.36% for 6 wins or lower; 6.25% for 11 wins or higher.

ETA: Yes I was a bit of a homer on them. Oh well. It was preseason and I bought the hype. Don’t argue with me on what they are now because believe they are different now. Tell me Shrader is starting UK and Tommy has a bum arm for half of KSU, Shrader plays the other half and my percentages go way down for us.

[msstate7]

99%, 99%, 90%, 80%, 45%, 95%, 35%, 35%, 99%, 15%, 99%, 95%.

Gave 1.36% for 6 wins or lower; 6.25% for 11 wins or higher.

So we've already lost a game you gave us a 90% chance of winning. 45% this week is quite generous

[dantheman4248]

So we've already lost a game you gave us a 90% chance of winning. 45% this week is quite generous

Read the edit.

And yes these are probably diff values from when we had our discussion. I fiddled with them then left it alone once the season started.

[Tbonewannabe]

So we've already lost a game you gave us a 90% chance of winning. 45% this week is quite generous

And if Auburn loses their starting QB along with their best defensive players then you would think that would change the percentages also. Let's not act like the outlook for the season didn't change by losing Stevens and several of our best defensive players. Gay and Autry make our defense a hell of a lot better. I would say having both and a healthy Stevens would have changed the outcome of the KSU game.

[dawgday166]

99%, 99%, 90%, 80%, 45%, 95%, 35%, 35%, 99%, 15%, 99%, 95%.

Gave 1.36% for 6 wins or lower; 6.25% for 11 wins or higher.

ETA: Yes I was a bit of a homer on them. Oh well. It was preseason and I bought the hype. Don?t argue with me on what they are now because believe they are different now. Tell me Shrader is starting UK and Tommy has a bum arm for half of KSU, Shrader plays the other half and my percentages go way down for us.

You know ... when your modeling something most of the time there is a lot of uncertainty. That's why you have to use your brain. As I said earlier you may understand probability and statistics, but it's obvious you don't understand football.

ETA: just getting those results should have caused you to question your GRAs and ICs.

[Coach007]

A) because Mullen usually started the season playing LSU and Auburn in the 1st games of the season.

B) Because Mullen had his QB get as many carries as his TB

C) JRob had 100-plus in games 2-5 in 2014. Dak or JRob had 100-plus in 6 straight games that year. JoMo having a weak schedule to start the season doesnt make for a great offense. We played a soft early schedule yet are 60th in scoring currently and 71st in Total O. Mullen finished 16th in the country in 2014 in scoring O. JoMo wont touch that

Why are you making excuses? Why are we moving to 2014? Mullen was hired in 2009 and had major talent on that team and in year 1 SUCKED. Why could he not adapt? He finished once above the ranking of 4th in the SECW...6 of the years at 5th. He finished ranked 2 times. Mullen won 14 games in 2 years. In his first year, he did not beat a top 20 team.

Moorhead is already in a high level. His first season ended rank and you yourself stated he is recruiting well. Moorhead is at 11 wins in his second year. And he has beaten top 20 teams... In fact a top 10 team.


The fact is that his system is a more open one. It's a better offense.

[Tbonewannabe]

You know ... when your modeling something most of the time there is a lot of uncertainty. That's why you have to use your brain. As I said earlier you may understand probability and statistics, but it's obvious you don't understand football.

ETA: just getting those results should have caused you to question your GRAs and ICs.

Hell, I question 15% against Bama more than anything else in his probabilities. I would put it at 1% unless their entire team gets the screaming dookies.

[Coach007]

So we've already lost a game you gave us a 90% chance of winning. 45% this week is quite generous

What was it last year when they were a top 10 team?