**Tennessee Game 2 Thread**

[MetEdDawg]

This board doesn't know a lot about baseball from some of these responses.

Doesn't matter if the player is on the field or if the out had been recorded. Ball is live at all times unless time has been called. All kinds of stuff happens during that time that doesn't impede the game. Time in the game of baseball is granted not given automatically.

Here's what I need to know. I missed it live. Only seen portions of the replay. Did the ump throw a ball to Plumlee and then Plumlee toss the other ball out? If so, did Plumlee have the ball he was trying to get rid of when the ump threw him the ball? If so that's on the ump for having two balls in play and should have gotten his ass chewed out and the league would crush that ump. If not then Plumlee is dumb.

Other issue is players should never toss a ball anywhere than back to home plate. It's a minor procedural thing that you don't think about until it costs you a game. But I need more about what happened before to make an accurate determination of whether or not the ump was in the wrong.

[Todd4State]

Does it matter if Plumlee called time or not when the baserunners already called time? If the game was still live at that point, wouldn’t the runners had advanced when they saw Plumlee throw it away. It’s mind boggling that the other umps couldn’t have overturned the home ump because the play was dead when Plumlee had thrown the ball. That was just a cluster**** the whole way around.

To my understanding if the baserunners did indeed call time the play should be dead at that point. I'm not sure why Lemonis didn't ask the umpires to get together to discuss it. If they discuss it and they still allow the runners to score THEN I get pissed off. I'm not sure why the other umpires didn't discuss it either just on their own if time was called.

Umpires I believe can award bases based on their judgement. I don't believe there is a set in stone one base rule although that is typically what most umpires call. For example- let's say Billy Hamilton is on first and then he tries to steal a base on a ball that is hit for a ground rule double and is actually past second base by the time the ball goes over the wall. In that case an umpire could very well actually award him home plate if it is in his judgement that he would have scored on the play rather than hold him up at third. That's my understanding of the rule anyway.

[Todd4State]

This board doesn't know a lot about baseball from some of these responses.

Doesn't matter if the player is on the field or if the out had been recorded. Ball is live at all times unless time has been called. All kinds of stuff happens during that time that doesn't impede the game. Time in the game of baseball is granted not given automatically.

Here's what I need to know. I missed it live. Only seen portions of the replay. Did the ump throw a ball to Plumlee and then Plumlee toss the other ball out? If so, did Plumlee have the ball he was trying to get rid of when the ump threw him the ball? If so that's on the ump for having two balls in play and should have gotten his ass chewed out and the league would crush that ump. If not then Plumlee is dumb.

Other issue is players should never toss a ball anywhere than back to home plate. It's a minor procedural thing that you don't think about until it costs you a game. But I need more about what happened before to make an accurate determination of whether or not the ump was in the wrong.

I would think based on Lemonis's response that Plumlee called time at the very least or at least attempted to. Because I would think that if Plumlee didn't call time Lemonis would have said so because he seems to be honest to a fault. But he said "the umpire didn't hear/see it".

[MarketingBully]

This board doesn't know a lot about baseball from some of these responses.

Doesn't matter if the player is on the field or if the out had been recorded. Ball is live at all times unless time has been called. All kinds of stuff happens during that time that doesn't impede the game. Time in the game of baseball is granted not given automatically.

Here's what I need to know. I missed it live. Only seen portions of the replay. Did the ump throw a ball to Plumlee and then Plumlee toss the other ball out? If so, did Plumlee have the ball he was trying to get rid of when the ump threw him the ball? If so that's on the ump for having two balls in play and should have gotten his ass chewed out and the league would crush that ump. If not then Plumlee is dumb.

Other issue is players should never toss a ball anywhere than back to home plate. It's a minor procedural thing that you don't think about until it costs you a game. But I need more about what happened before to make an accurate determination of whether or not the ump was in the wrong.

From what I could tell, it looked like time had been called by the baserunners before Plumlee threw the ball away.

[Dawgcap]

I don’t know the rule either but I have never seen a baseball tossed toward a dugout even with time called. It always goes through the home plate umpire. Was Plumlee trying to make a point with a ump kinda like a catcher or batter being trying to show a ump up?

[HoopsDawg]

There was a cut on the ball. Plumlee shook the ball at the ump to indicate the ball was f'ed up. He thought the ump granted time so he tossed the ball away. Ump came out and said he didn't hear him so he didn't call time. He then motioned for both of the runners to come in and score.

The ump directly impacted the game on a situation that had no impact on the game. Plumlee did screw up a little, but this was mainly about the ump making a call you NEVER see.

Lemon should have gotten thrown out to fire up the team and show that he has their back.

[HoopsDawg]

I don’t know the rule either but I have never seen a baseball tossed toward a dugout even with time called. It always goes through the home plate umpire. Was Plumlee trying to make a point with a ump kinda like a catcher or batter being trying to show a ump up?

No. He was just trying to get a new ball.

[Dawgcap]

There was a cut on the ball. Plumlee shook the ball at the ump to indicate the ball was f'ed up. He thought the ump granted time so he tossed the ball away. Ump came out and said he didn't hear him so he didn't call time. He then motioned for both of the runners to come in and score.

The ump directly impacted the game on a situation that had no impact on the game. Plumlee did screw up a little, but this was mainly about the ump making a call you NEVER see.

Lemon should have gotten thrown out to fire up the team and show that he has their back.

Not arguing but I can’t remember ever seeing a pitcher toss a ball to the dugout. If it was cut wouldn’t he have tossed to Skelton who gives ball to home plate ump. Who then throws a new ball to pitcher. Again just a question on the rules

[Todd4State]

From what I could tell, it looked like time had been called by the baserunners before Plumlee threw the ball away.

I don't think so watching the replay. I didn't see them make a motion to call TO.

It looked to me like Plumlee wanted to call TO and threw the ball to the dugout and the umpire just got pissed off and let the two runners score.

[Todd4State]

Not arguing but I can’t remember ever seeing a pitcher toss a ball to the dugout. If it was cut wouldn’t he have tossed to Skelton who gives ball to home plate ump. Who then throws a new ball to pitcher. Again just a question on the rules

I have. Like when a guy gets his first base hit or something like that.

I do think that in this case Plumlee throwing the ball into the dugout pissed the umpire off. Whether he called time or not. He should have just thrown it to Skelton and then gone from there. Most umpires would have only awarded the one run and not two in that case because the runners weren't even moving. Plumlee probably shouldn't have done that- but the umpire was also being a dick too.

[Dawgcap]

No. He was just trying to get a new ball.

Then why not toss to home plate and wait for a new ball. My point is there are rules for a replacement baseball. Did he break the rules because it Seems odd to toss towards the dugout instead of home plate

[Todd4State]

Then why not toss to home plate and wait for a new ball. My point is there are rules for a replacement baseball. Did he break the rules because it Seems odd to toss towards the dugout instead of home plate

It isn't a rule that you HAVE to throw it to the umpire. But with limited balls in college I would imagine that they would like to keep up with them more than they would in MLB.

[Dawgcap]

It isn't a rule that you HAVE to throw it to the umpire. But with limited balls in college I would imagine that they would like to keep up with them more than they would in MLB.

Again I’d love a replay of someone doin what Plumlee did tonight. Even in the majors the guys toss to the catcher and he hands to the ump who inspects it. But the thing about this situation is when he got the ball back he tossed without examination or umpire confirmation. He was pissed at the situation and made a play that cost us a game. The reason no one has seen this ruling is because no one has seen that happen before

[MetEdDawg]

Only thing to ask in this situation is what did Plumlee see that indicated to him the ump called time?

Shouldn't ever throw the ball in the dugout when changing out a ball. Always send it through home plate for situations like this. They are exceedingly rare, but that's the kind of stuff that can happen.

I would like to know what the ump did that indicated he had called time. Other than that, there's nothing else you can argue. He either did or didn't call time. Nothing else matters. So there better have been a damn good explanation regarding that from both the home plate ump and Plumlee.

[HoopsDawg]

Only thing to ask in this situation is what did Plumlee see that indicated to him the ump called time?

Shouldn't ever throw the ball in the dugout when changing out a ball. Always send it through home plate for situations like this. They are exceedingly rare, but that's the kind of stuff that can happen.

I would like to know what the ump did that indicated he had called time. Other than that, there's nothing else you can argue. He either did or didn't call time. Nothing else matters. So there better have been a damn good explanation regarding that from both the home plate ump and Plumlee.

Plumlee told Lemon that the umpire nodded to him that he had time. Guys, it was a horseshit call, period. Having said that, our batting order was screwed up and we had a terrible approach at the plate.

[MetEdDawg]

Plumlee told Lemon that the umpire nodded to him that he had time. Guys, it was a horseshit call, period. Having said that, our batting order was screwed up and we had a terrible approach at the plate.

Usually the ump gives a hand signal. If Plumlee saw a nod I trust him. But usually you see the hand signal of some kind.

Sounds pretty bull shit though. I would have gotten tossed for that crap.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Plumlee told Lemon that the umpire nodded to him that he had time. Guys, it was a horseshit call, period. Having said that, our batting order was screwed up and we had a terrible approach at the plate.

On the crappy video, the play looked over. The ump tossed a ball, or someone tossed a ball that was merely on the turf near the mound. I don't think it was our catcher tossing a ball to make plumlee go fetch it. I think the umpire did it.

Plum picked it up, looked at it, and tossed it underhand and backwards to the dugout. Our dugout.

It looked like Plum was angry at the sequence of the events and that the umpire did not like Plumlee tossing the ball.

Play was over, the Tennessee baserunners did not twitch to run as a result of plumlees action. They were shocked to get two bases and score.

Note: later in the game the umpire went all the way to the mound to Hand (literally Hand) the bsll to Plumlee. I think the ump lost his mind and just gave Tennessee two runs.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Then why not toss to home plate and wait for a new ball. My point is there are rules for a replacement baseball. Did he break the rules because it Seems odd to toss towards the dugout instead of home plate

That too, I always see pitchers and catchers hand the ball umpires for a disposition on ball integrity. The ump is one with a fanny pack of balls. A very weird game changing play. Now we gotta win tomorrow or we will be angry all week. If we are to host a regional we can't lose series to Tennessee.

[Dawgcap]

On the crappy video, the play looked over. The ump tossed a ball, or someone tossed a ball that was merely on the turf near the mound. I don't think it was our catcher tossing a ball to make plumlee go fetch it. I think the umpire did it.

Plum picked it up, looked at it, and tossed it underhand and backwards to the dugout. Our dugout.

It looked like Plum was angry at the sequence of the events and that the umpire did not like Plumlee tossing the ball.

Play was over, the Tennessee baserunners did not twitch to run as a result of plumlees action. They were shocked to get two bases and score.

Note: later in the game the umpire went all the way to the mound to Hand (literally Hand) the bsll to Plumlee. I think the ump lost his mind and just gave Tennessee two runs.

Sorry but Plumlee caught the ball back from first and in one motion turned toward home, saw the umps hand up and tossed the ball to our dugout. The ump never tossed a ball toward the mound. Plumlee was frustrated in my mind and overreacted

[MetEdDawg]

Ok just saw the replay. Totally on Plumlee. He got the ball from Allen at 1B and he immediately tossed it towards our dugout. All in one motion.

That's 100% on Plumlee. I mean really really stupid of him. Insanely dumb. Didn't look at the ump or anything. All in one motion took it and tossed it over.

Question I have now is why the runner on 2nd got 2 bases. I don't know the college rule for that so I'm not sure. But the initial play is 100% on Plumlee. I mean it was really dumb.