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    Our fans remind me of the scouts in MoneyBall

    Trying to define the problem.

    ?We need a new coach?
    ?Change the QB?
    ?We run too much?
    ?Why arent we running??

    If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.

    NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheewgumm View Post
    Trying to define the problem.

    ?We need a new coach?
    ?Change the QB?
    ?We run too much?
    ?Why arent we running??

    If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.

    NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy

    Sign up for $20 / month.

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    Except we do not have a Billy Bean mastermind on campus.
    I would say the scouts remind me of a few of Arnett's staff members, hiring their buddies and having a group think and in his ear.

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    Fans have drawn the line in the sand. They are not willing to pay for the seats, concessions, parking, travel, food, hotels AND fund the players. So that's not the play here. It's get this mess fixed with a sustainable model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheewgumm View Post
    Trying to define the problem.

    ?We need a new coach?
    ?Change the QB?
    ?We run too much?
    ?Why arent we running??

    If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.

    NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy

    Sign up for $20 / month.
    Yes. Factual

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    Fans have drawn the line in the sand. They are not willing to pay for the seats, concessions, parking, travel, food, hotels AND fund the pleyers. So that's not the play here. It's get this mess fixed with a sustainable model.
    No, OUR fans have drawn a line in the sand. OM fans continue to fund it because they see a payoff with a brash HC, exciting offense, and a buy in from their administration from the top down. And again, I am no ever going to tell someone how to spend the money they work hard for, but either you adapt to this model or be ok with it being 2005 every year. Because that is what will happen. There is no sustainable model. They opened the Pandora?s box with no safeguards around it and they will never be able to put it back in the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    No, OUR fans have drawn a line in the sand. OM fans continue to fund it because they see a payoff with a brash HC, exciting offense, and a buy in from their administration from the top down. And again, I am no ever going to tell someone how to spend the money they work hard for, but either you adapt to this model or be ok with it being 2005 every year. Because that is what will happen. There is no sustainable model. They opened the Pandora?s box with no safeguards around it and they will never be able to put it back in the box.
    There is no transparency so there is no way to know this. It's merely a hypothetical until proven.

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    If our fans have decided not to fund NIL (our choice) then things will only get worse, Not better.

    Knute Rockne can be the coach and it wont matter.

    You fund it , we compete.
    You dont, we dont.

    All these other arguments are for teams that have the players. We are not at the point to even know if Arnett is good or bad.

    He brought a rock to a gunfight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    No, OUR fans have drawn a line in the sand. OM fans continue to fund it because they see a payoff with a brash HC, exciting offense, and a buy in from their administration from the top down. And again, I am no ever going to tell someone how to spend the money they work hard for, but either you adapt to this model or be ok with it being 2005 every year. Because that is what will happen. There is no sustainable model. They opened the Pandora?s box with no safeguards around it and they will never be able to put it back in the box.
    This is a good post.

    Ive heard so many of our fans say "Nobody was paying players when I was in school"! Well no they weren't- at least not openly, but times have changes. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we pony up or we will not be competitive. We are already behind the 8-ball due to the size of our alumni base. We can either make a conscious effort to try to keep up or we will be in the cellar. There is no middle.

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    Can we get the sports admin students to take in the task of building the monthly donation install base?

    They can be at every game (every sport) signing people up for $20 or more per month.

    Simple easy.

    That is their only job - increase the qty of people giving (a small amount) monthly. Thats it:

    Charlie can talk to big donors - the sports admin interns build the monthly revenue base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    There is no transparency so there is no way to know this. It's merely a hypothetical until proven.
    There is plenty of transparency. You just have to know where to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheewgumm View Post
    Can we get the sports admin students to take in the task of building the monthly donation install base?

    They can be at every game (every sport) signing people up for $20 or more per month.

    Simple easy.

    That is their only job - increase the qty of people giving (a small amount) monthly. Thats it:

    Charlie can talk to big donors - the sports admin interns build the monthly revenue base.
    Probably a good idea, but just warn them that there will be plenty of people they talk to that will bitch at them for asking for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheewgumm View Post
    Trying to define the problem.

    ?We need a new coach?
    ?Change the QB?
    ?We run too much?
    ?Why arent we running??

    If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.

    NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy

    Sign up for $20 / month.
    You get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    There is plenty of transparency. You just have to know where to look.
    Then post it for all to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    Then post it for all to see.
    Tulu is 6 figures and all the others being paid (Johnson, Watson, Rodgers, Thomas, Marks, etc) are low to mid 5 figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    Tulu is 6 figures and all the others being paid (Johnson, Watson, Rodgers, Thomas, Marks, etc) are low to mid 5 figures.
    So $250,000 in round numbers. Source? And what are other teams spending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    So $250,000 in round numbers. Source? And what are other teams spending?
    Between 250-450. Other teams our size (USCe, Mizzou, UK) are spending around 10x what we are. Our problem is we spend too much on baseball. We need to spend 10 percent of our NIL on baseball, 25 percent on basketball, and the rest on football

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson View Post
    This is a good post.

    Ive heard so many of our fans say "Nobody was paying players when I was in school"! Well no they weren't- at least not openly, but times have changes. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we pony up or we will not be competitive. We are already behind the 8-ball due to the size of our alumni base. We can either make a conscious effort to try to keep up or we will be in the cellar. There is no middle.
    With this coaching staff? Hm. They took a defense that could play defense and destroyed it. The took an offense that could play offense and wholesale changed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    Between 250-450. Other teams our size (USCe, Mizzou, UK) are spending around 10x what we are. Our problem is we spend too much on baseball. We need to spend 10 percent of our NIL on baseball, 25 percent on basketball, and the rest on football
    Well it looks like we need to consolidate some schools to compete then. Because I am not giving my kids money for their future to a program that can?t even figure out how a sound system works.

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    As absurd as it sounds because, let’s face it, we’re talking about MILLIONS of dollars being spent currently. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. If the University, City of Starkville, and fan base don’t embrace the statistical correlation between high levels of achievement in the major athletic programs and corresponding increases in both numbers and qualifications of university student applications, the entire ecosystem is going to be relegated to abject mediocracy.

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