Our fans remind me of the scouts in MoneyBall

[Maroonthirteen]

The whole premise of money ball was to identify and acquire talent by unorthodox means with a limited budget.

I feel that's what Mississippi State has always done. It seems to me, Leachs staff (including Arnett) were not very good at recruiting as Sherrill and Mullen's staffs.

[StarkVegasSteve]

My hope with the NIL is that the money will eventually get so significant that you will have 40-50 universities that break off and make their own conference and basically create an NFL minor league. Then the smaller alumni base/financed schools like ours can get back to true amateur athletes composed of actual student athletes. I would gladly travel to state each weekend to watch that. These days I enjoy high school football more than what college football has become.

And we will still have the same lame ass gameday atmosphere. We will still have the stupid Maroon and White chant, blue hairs yelling “another T”, no one standing, and we will probably still roll out the MF atmosphere killer of them all, The Kiss Cam.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The whole premise of money ball was to identify and acquire talent by unorthodox means with a limited budget.

I feel that's what Mississippi State has always done. It seems to me, Leachs staff (including Arnett) were not very good at recruiting as Sherrill and Mullen's staffs.

No they were actually better at recruiting from a rankings standpoint. However, Sherill relied on JUCO guys who were ready to go from Day 1 and Mullen developed better than any coach we have ever had. Not many players made leaps under Leach and Co. They were the same player as a junior/senior as they were a freshman. There are a few exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.

[R2Dawg]

And we will still have the same lame ass gameday atmosphere. We will still have the stupid Maroon and White chant, blue hairs yelling “another T”, no one standing, and we will probably still roll out the MF atmosphere killer of them all, The Kiss Cam.

Heck get rid of the cowbell while you are at it, the old generation did it so it can't be any good. Some of you need to grow up and show a little respect for your elders. Someone saying "another T" is really that big a deal? I'm not saying a few things need to go. I'm for bad to bone going but some of the things this board complains about is just plain little girlish.

[R2Dawg]

No they were actually better at recruiting from a rankings standpoint. However, Sherill relied on JUCO guys who were ready to go from Day 1 and Mullen developed better than any coach we have ever had. Not many players made leaps under Leach and Co. They were the same player as a junior/senior as they were a freshman. There are a few exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.

Things have changed. I don't think the JUCO talent is as good as it was back in the 90s. I may be wrong.

Here is why I think that is so. Back then JUCO took players who didn't have the academics - they went to JUCO got all cleaned up ready for D1 ball. Well today there are no standards anymore so no more need to send good players to JUCO. Just cheat their papers for D1, pay some NIL money and good to go. The money pot we've had an advantage in for decades i think is now dried up.

[EdwardDrayton]

Heck get rid of the cowbell while you are at it, the old generation did it so it can't be any good. Some of you need to grow up and show a little respect for your elders. Someone saying "another T" is really that big a deal? I'm not saying a few things need to go. I'm for bad to bone going but some of the things this board complains about is just plain little girlish.

I've seen a couple of those interactions go beyond the discussion stage, and the younger pup learned an old dog still can get it done. So be careful out there you young folks.

[Coursesuper]

My hope with the NIL is that the money will eventually get so significant that you will have 40-50 universities that break off and make their own conference and basically create an NFL minor league. Then the smaller alumni base/financed schools like ours can get back to true amateur athletes composed of actual student athletes. I would gladly travel to state each weekend to watch that. These days I enjoy high school football more than what college football has become.

I firmly believe that this is where D1 is headed. I don't think that it will be good for our institution. There will be the haves that are in the big $$ TV deal and the rest of us. We will end up in an AAC type situation.

[cheewgumm]

Edward, if our fans cant understand that raising more money to buy better players makes sense without some type of documentation then those fans just need to not give.it is so apparent that I fear if I bothered to slowly explain it to them, they would simply find some other reason not so give.

They can just not give would be my solution.

I get her point ot Money Ball?I am only using the narrow view of the scene to show illustrate that our fans are not seeing the problem. Im not saying that we need to find some genius way to out saber metric then other teams. We need more $.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Things have changed. I don't think the JUCO talent is as good as it was back in the 90s. I may be wrong.

Here is why I think that is so. Back then JUCO took players who didn't have the academics - they went to JUCO got all cleaned up ready for D1 ball. Well today there are no standards anymore so no more need to send good players to JUCO. Just cheat their papers for D1, pay some NIL money and good to go. The money pot we've had an advantage in for decades i think is now dried up.

Yep Mississippi JUCO is nothing like it used to be. Northwest had Cortez Kennedy at DL and Gerald Perry at OL when I was up there and that wasnt even one of their better teams.

[Dawgology]

Edward, if our fans cant understand that raising more money to buy better players makes sense without some type of documentation then those fans just need to not give.it is so apparent that I fear if I bothered to slowly explain it to them, they would simply find some other reason not so give.

They can just not give would be my solution.

I get her point ot Money Ball?I am only using the narrow view of the scene to show illustrate that our fans are not seeing the problem. Im not saying that we need to find some genius way to out saber metric then other teams. We need more $.

I donate…a good bit. I don’t know where the money goes. There is no accountability. I also am seeing no returns not even any interesting byproducts. No news. No other investment agency asks or requires that of you. And it IS and investment not a donation.

[gtowndawg]

"His girlfriend is ugly. Means he has no confidence."

[Maroonthirteen]

With NIL there needs to be a members conference.

The conference could present our products and the guys we are looking at for spokesmen. Then here is what we need to hawk more products and get even more guys to be spokesmen.

Oh and here are the guys that are hawking for other schools products and what it take to get them in our camp.

I say that in jest because I know it will never happen. "Just give us money and we will decided what to do with it." Meanwhile is there any top rated MS recruits considering us?

[Dawgology]

With NIL there needs to be a members conference.

The conference could present our products and the guys we are looking at for spokesmen. Then here is what we need to hawk more products and get even more guys to be spokesmen.

Oh and here are the guys that are hawking for other schools products and what it take to get them in our camp.

I say that in jest because I know it will never happen. "Just give us money and we will decided what to do with it." Meanwhile is there any top rated MS recruits considering us?

This is the issue. You can’t get on social media and crow about a million+ increase in NIL over one week but produce subpar on field results and accomplish little to nothing in recruiting. Seems like a scam.

[Goldendawg]

Edward, if our fans cant understand that raising more money to buy better players makes sense without some type of documentation then those fans just need to not give.it is so apparent that I fear if I bothered to slowly explain it to them, they would simply find some other reason not so give.

They can just not give would be my solution.

I get her point ot Money Ball?I am only using the narrow view of the scene to show illustrate that our fans are not seeing the problem. Im not saying that we need to find some genius way to out saber metric then other teams. We need more $.

We are by no means where we need to be but, Charlie Winfield posted in a recent thread that everyone of our FB players now have an NIL deal and it is in its best shape to date (Charlie, please correct me if I read the post incorrectly). Think he said we will move forward on HS recruits deals in addition to retention of players. A lot in on our square pegs into round holes new coaching staff "schemes" have contributed at 2-3, but ROI is poor to date. Hail State!

[Todd4State]

We are by no means where we need to be but, Charlie Winfield posted in a recent thread that everyone of our FB players now have an NIL deal and it is in its best shape to date (Charlie, please correct me if I read the post incorrectly). Think he said we will move forward on HS recruits deals in addition to retention of players. A lot in on our square pegs into round holes new coaching staff "schemes" have contributed at 2-3, but ROI is poor to date. Hail State!

I think our biggest issue with NIL is we were a little behind in getting it up and running up to speed. Charlie may have saved MSU athletics in the long run.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think our biggest issue with NIL is we were a little behind in getting it up and running up to speed. Charlie may have saved MSU athletics in the long run.

John Cohen and Lee Van Horn tried to ruin MSU athletics, Charlie saved it. We are about 18 months behind everyone else.

[SpaceWranglerDawg]

I firmly believe that this is where D1 is headed. I don?t think that it will be god for our institution. There will be the haves that are in the big $$ TV deal and the rest of us. We will end up in an AAC type situation.

Yep, we will be left in the dust... There is literally nothing about the NIL that gives us an advantage... We will forever be playing catchup to the larger schools. Buckle up, it's going to be a frustrating ride.

On that note, Fight On and Who Dat...let me get away from this alcoholism inducing lifestyle of mississippi state fandom.

[Maverick91]

This issue boils down to optics. As it has been said over and over and over again, our fan base is not only small, but we are more than likely lower in the middle class than most fan basses so the ease of excess money to throw at kids that aren?t our actual blood is a hard sale.

The things this admin needs to do is sale the benefits that out way the odds. They can start with me, while I have a baby on the way, excess money is going 100% to the needs of her for when she arrives.

Why would I throw any money at a program right now, that does currently have money. Do we have the war chest of bama, no! But we do have money. Also why invest more when it?s clear that our admin doesn?t care, Tater made a really good post about how bad the stadium atmosphere was Saturday. This also doesn?t include the abundance of meddling that is taking place from high boosters in our coaching staff.

The above doesn?t even factor in the free 4 year degree, room and board, meals, clothes, travel, fame, chance of a lifetime to get into the NFL. You want me on top of all of that to give my hard earned money to these kids to do what? Play pitch and catch? They already earn the fair trade items listed above to play pitch and catch. This was supposed to be about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS not just a check in their hands.

It?s hard enough to watch NFL because it?s all about the money and not playing a long good career. These kids in college are doing the same thing, they follow the money except it?s just give these kids money to come, at least in the NFL usually they have to prove they are worth a bigger check before that payday.

If the admin would fix their side of things, I actually would think about throwing a few bucks at it, but until then why? It seems to go into a money pit that like our football program will get mismanaged.

[Dawgology]

This issue boils down to optics. As it has been said over and over and over again, our fan base is not only small, but we are more than likely lower in the middle class than most fan basses so the ease of excess money to throw at kids that aren?t our actual blood is a hard sale.

The things this admin needs to do is sale the benefits that out way the odds. They can start with me, while I have a baby on the way, excess money is going 100% to the needs of her for when she arrives.

Why would I throw any money at a program right now, that does currently have money. Do we have the war chest of bama, no! But we do have money. Also why invest more when it?s clear that our admin doesn?t care, Tater made a really good post about how bad the stadium atmosphere was Saturday. This also doesn?t include the abundance of meddling that is taking place from high boosters in our coaching staff.

The above doesn?t even factor in the free 4 year degree, room and board, meals, clothes, travel, fame, chance of a lifetime to get into the NFL. You want me on top of all of that to give my hard earned money to these kids to do what? Play pitch and catch? They already earn the fair trade items listed above to play pitch and catch. This was supposed to be about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS not just a check in their hands.

It?s hard enough to watch NFL because it?s all about the money and not playing a long good career. These kids in college are doing the same thing, they follow the money except it?s just give these kids money to come, at least in the NFL usually they have to prove they are worth a bigger check before that payday.

If the admin would fix their side of things, I actually would think about throwing a few bucks at it, but until then why? It seems to go into a money pit that like our football program will get mismanaged.

Exactly. I never thought I would enjoy NFL more than college but here we are. I know NFL players are there for the bucks and pride in the name on their jersey has little to do with it. I can deal with that because those standards are set up front. College football used to be about pride in the university. The “pageantry and pride” stuff is dead but Disney and the other owners of the brand are still pushing it as a gimmick. College football is dead in the sense of what it once stood for. I’m ready for the Div-0 football. Let the universities far with cash start that and let us get back to student athletes fighting on the gridiron for school colors.

[Maverick91]

Exactly. I never thought I would enjoy NFL more than college but here we are. I know NFL players are there for the bucks and pride in the name on their jersey has little to do with it. I can deal with that because those standards are set up front. College football used to be about pride in the university. The “pageantry and pride” stuff is dead but Disney and the other owners of the brand are still pushing it as a gimmick. College football is dead in the sense of what it once stood for. I’m ready for the Div-0 football. Let the universities far with cash start that and let us get back to student athletes fighting on the gridiron for school colors.

I’m down for it, now if they would actually make NIL about NIL I would be for it and could get behind it. Right now I just cannot get behind this scam. You want my money in this economy show me you are doing the right things to earn it. The admin isn’t!