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Should be:
1. Mershon, .335/443
2. Jordan, .339/452
3. Hujsak, .350/441
4. Hines, .245/333
5. Chance, .281/373
6. Larry, .257/400
7. Kohler, .242/354
8. Powell, .289/367
9. Downs, .288/387
- best 3 hitters get the most ABs
- Hines sandwiched between 2 guys that don't K
- Downs is healthy. Gives you a guy at the bottom that can get on base
- clearly our best 9 bats
Great lineup for offense, but the problem with this is defense. Larry is a liability at 2B, and if he's DH, where would you put Chance and Downs?
Larry is fine at 2B. You make a change there late if needed. We need runs and defense isn't a significant fall off there to warrant putting a dead out in the starting lineup. Especially when Long is playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityDawg
Liability is too strong a word for Larry. He's not a plus defender but he's good enough. He also seems to hit better when he's playing the field. As Cooter said, you could insert Cupp late if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityDawg
Larry would be fine at 2B. He had a bad game against UT, but if you DH him then you either have to put Pulliam at 2B or put Chester at 2B. Then you'd have to take out Downs, which isn't the worst thing. He's a K machine and we already have 3 of those in the lineup with Jordan, Hines, and Kohler.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityDawg
We've been subbing Chester inQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Cupp had been hurt. I think he's slightly better if he's on the 27 man roster. But yeah, Chester or Cupp if needed. What we don't need is Larry at 2B with Pulliam at DH like we inexplicably had in the SECT.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Agreed and the book is now out on Pulliam. He hits the breaking ball like Jordan.
1. Dirtbag
2. Trout
3. Hugesack
4. Baby Cerrano
5. Little Richey
6. RagArm
7. Memphis
8. Down Syndrome/Stevens
9. Catcher
That's ok. My lineup is better because I have separated DJ and Hines in the order. Also, this isn't 1995. In the modern era, you put your best hitter in the 2 hole and despite his recent struggles and K rate, that is still DJ. Trout has the 6th best OBP in my order..that's not 2 hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Jordan got a hit and 2 RBI his last plate appearance so hopefully that gave him his confidence back heading into regional
It's ok to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I like a 2 hole that doesnt K. That's Trout. He is going to put the ball in play. Gives us a Run-N-Hit option there also after Dirtbag steals 2nd. Also- Dirtbag on base opens some holes for him to help.
Jordan/Hines at the plate will determine how far we go. Either they get it done or they dont.
That's valid. I disagree, but at least there is some rationale. DJ has 77 K's and Hines has 73 so I don't like them back to back. I like giving DJ protection with Hujsak too. Chance doesn't need protection-teams pitch to him. But at least we agree that Powell and Long can't be in the lineup together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Who is little Richey?
https://cdispatch.com/sports/just-li...seball-masher/
Hunter's Dad should have been hitting 5th behind Clark and Palmeiro but chose to go to MC to stay in Jackson.
Its also LemonisQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I'd go:
Mershon
hugesack
Jordan
Hines (but not sure why)
Larry
Chance
Kohler
Powell
Downs
I agree. 2 hole needs to be a guy that can handle the bat, not k, bunt, hit and run,etc. Dakota is the opposite of a 2 hole hitter. More fit to hit cleanup with his power but high k rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We've gotta separate Hines and Jordan, 2 ks back to back has killed us a lot this year
I sure hope they both or at least one gets hot, May be too far in their heads now. Time off would or may have helped. Hit the ball where it's pitched and choke up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Any model you use has DJ as 2 hole. Your definition of 2 hole is more like 80's-90's style of managing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Interesting the best lineup according to Moneyball type App is:
1. Mershon
2. DJ
3. Chance
4. Hujsak
5. Joe Powell
6. Kohler
7. Larry
8. Hines
9. Downs
This lineup is projected to score 6.555 runs per game.
My lineup is projected to score 6.54 runs per game, ha.
No it's not, solid lineup management never is old or outdated. You can't have a 2 hole consistently striking out. Won't work long term. A computer model vs real world experience, ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
And if we're talking about 80-90s management. I guarantee you I could take a bunch of line drive hitters that don't strike out a lot, can handle the bat( hit and run, bunt, etc), get on base a lot and can run and run teams right off the field. Reason pitchers can't hold runners, speed puts pressure on defenses and increases misplays, and pitchers rely so much on k's now, you'd drive them crazy with a bunch of line drive contact hitters that don't strike out. Everything in baseball cycles and eventually this type of offense will come back.
I think everyone agrees that line drives are great. Never heard anyone say differently. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
You are talking about bunting with the 2 hole and that is really dated thinking. It's bad baseball honestly. Love you though.
No you misunderstand on the bunting. I hate bunting but sometimes it's needed and you have to have someone that can get one down. Now if you have a bunch of guys that can run bunting is a huge weapon. I never called a bunt accept in rare occasions. That's why sometimes I hate trying to talk on here because it's hard to get your point across in text form. I'm a talker lol. We would get along because I really appreciate your takes especially in basketball because I only know enough to be dangerous there lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
You really know baseball. I enjoy your posts. I just think you're a little dated in your 2 hole thinking. Look at MLB lineups. Seager, Pete Alonso, Soto, Vlad, Bobby Witt, Jrod, etc all hit 2 hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Thank you I appreciate that. Let me posit this to you. These people you mentioned strikeout 150+ times a year they do have power. Now put a guy in the 2 hole that strike out 60-70 times a year has a high obp and can handle the bat. You don't think you can generate as many runs that way? That's 80-100 more balls in play with more walks and more versatility. Baseball thinking is never dated because it ALWAYS comes back around. It's the most cyclical game there is and in 10 years when you're watching hitters that concentrate more on contact you'll see. Every 10-20 years baseball cycles.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Remember in baseball there's more than one philosophy that can be successful . Really good discussion here though. I enjoy these baseball discussions
Better listen to Cc24. Solid stuff all the way around.
Thanks man! I certainly don't have all the answers and the great thing about baseball is many different philosophies can be successful if executed correctly. I've been fortunate to play for, play with, coach and be around many very astute baseball people and I've learned from them and used what I've learned to be successful teaching and coaching it. Just love the game and the discussions of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
Well you are dang good at it. Another reason this site has to be the best message board for collegiate baseball of any similar school affiliated board, by far. Lots of knowledge around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24