Pretty weird flex to get on the offense for lack of running when it was the PA that led to the explosive plays. It was obvious that SC was taking away the run no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
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Pretty weird flex to get on the offense for lack of running when it was the PA that led to the explosive plays. It was obvious that SC was taking away the run no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
SC has played NC, Georgia, and State. They play Tennessee tomahhh. Their beginning schedule has been ridiculous. Those numbers will shirley improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I'll repeat- Georgia has played UT Martin, UAB, and Ball State- Ball State has been outscored 129-20 by Kentucky, Georgia, and Georgia Southern.
One of these schedules is not like the other. Stats dont really start leveling out until midway into the season.
Furman scored 14 points in the first half against SC. It was 27-14 at the half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If we are going to compare how SC did against Georgia then it is fair to compare this one too.
I don't think we know what we have yet, but are all hoping we turned it around. But we only scored on SC by PTDF and not RTDF.
All I did was post facts. It was against the 121 defense. That OL is not grasping the blocking. The OC stated he had to do a better job with the OL coaches because even he sees the issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
PA did not create all of the explosives. Sorry. PA vs Bama with the OL not blocking is going to have any QB sacked before the can turn in get set. Turner and Braswell have 8 sacks with the DL adding another 3. They are going to play man and play to take out the QB.
With more AR designs tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Cause he buds with the new coaches (home boys) and he wants them to stay. So he coming up with all kinds of excuses for their lack of performance now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
This from the guy who has been the most harsh critic of our past coaches ... especially Leach.
When does the OC and offensive line, and form HS coach gurus on our staff get cool nicknames on Sunday mornings? ***Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
yes. It is such a huge equalizer against better talent. But go ahead Arnett, listen to those in your ear now instead of the coach that had more top 25 upsets in the past 3 years than any other MSU coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Clearly..... as it showed against bama for the last 3 years..... equalizer alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
sure. pick the one game no other coach has won either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
But ignore the 3 years beating more top 25 , with less talent.
Nm
LOL ... that do seem to be missing don't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
I only know a few of the coaches but I'm just willing to give them some time and feel like a 500 yard record setting WR performance this past Saturday is something to build on- rather than be pissy about. I expect us to get better on offense- thats probably the biggest difference between me and you. October is a big month for us as a football teamQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Well, no WR got 500 yards, but thank Leach that we have a QB that can hit those passes and WRS that can (when properly taught) run those routes and make those catches in the face of pressure due to the OL not understanding the blocking schemes. That confusion is from the TOP down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Wouldn't you thank Moorhead for will?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Good lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I am encouraged by the over 500 yards of offense which included the record setting WR performance under Barbay. Barbay had us doing things we never did under Leach and it was fun to watch after such boring, monotonous checkdowns for 3 years of Airbone offense.
I'm just doing a small amount of what the Romans have done on here in years past. Now the Romans have decided to be "patient". Amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm not really bashing them either. Just ain't getting excited about what we did against what probably is a poor defense. Hell ... I won't get too excited if we upset Bama this week. Cause knowing MSU we might lose the remainder of our games from there.
While I was a Leach fan, unlike you were with Leach, I don't want this staff to fail. I want Barbay and company turn out to be the best OC and O coaching staff in the last 20 years. And I want Will to keep balling out similar to this past weekend.
I was 100% a Leach- I just hated his offense. He was hilarious and a thinker. Hard to not admire that.
I'm not real excited about last week either until we can string some 400+ yd games in a row vs sec teams. 500+ vs a sec isn't some small feat though... leach did it 3 times - 2020 lsu, 2021 vandy, and 2022 ark.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Thank Leach? If you think that ANY of those pass plays are called much less thrown under his watch with the little play napkin, you are kidding yourself. Leach didn’t know what the words play action meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Whether it was Will or Barbay, who gives a shit. At least he took some shots. FOR ONCE in his career. Let’s hope that continues for the rest of the season and we see what happens against beatable opponents.
Games are a little shorter now, with the clock running, so I wonder if the big yard games are fewer. Something at the end of the season to see how Div 1 teams fared.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This sort of goes back to me having an issue with Arnett saying he changed offenses because his defense was on the field too much. It was a flat out lie, and especially this season with the clock running on first downs.
Why would I do that? Leach was recruiting Rogers and had a relationship. He closed on that once HC and he is the one that trained Rogers.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's not going to happen against the rest of of the SEC games because those defenses are not ranked 121 in all of the college football land. BUT I have no doubt that you will be right here ready to cut down and blame Rogers over the OC who is demanding we run a personnel that we are not fitted for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
yeah but they played Georgia though ***Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
joking aside, I do think this whole push to the running game is the most MSU thing ever. It never worked in the past, and we could never recruit good receivers. But we would see other teams(eh em, TSUN) with great receivers and flashing fun games. But sure, lets get back to "MSU football".
Yes thank Leach. The very first clip in the video linked in the OP is an AIR RAID play. All other clips of 11 personnel show massive issues with the OL because the OC communication to the OL coach either sucks or non existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
He has always taken shows and that is exactly what people are talking about. No objective bone in the anti Leach or Air Raid haters. Which btw, we all wanted more Run to force people out of the 3-8.
Yes sir! It's amazing to watch! They want a return to a 52-57% passer. That's not getting us over the top. The Air Raid attracts WRs and QBs. Something MSU has never done well with. Now does that mean we have to run a Leach AR? NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
If we really want to be productive, you mix it up. Barbay has the opportunity to develop a Modified AR that uses a TE and PA. He needs to see what he has and what he does not.
This is mostly my point. I'm not excited about one game especially when we have looked as bad as we have in the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And this ain't with a bunch of freshmen like 2020 was. We should be putting up over 400 yds against every opponent we have this year, including the one tomorrow. Also, outside of DJ and Sharp, I'm pretty sure the O is same as last year.
And our D ... that's a whole nuther story.
ETA: Last week Will was a baller. If he keeps doing that we'll probably turn out pretty good on O this year. If he had done that the last half of last year we probably would've had better results with the Air Raid ... which is also my point. We'll see if he keeps being a baller when we face more physical teams. SC wasn't that physical last week IMO.
The last paragraph makes great points and I believe is what 99% of us want to see out of this offense. Hopefully Barbay saw what the potentialQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
is this past Saturday. Time will tell and a big test tomorrow. Let?s see what happens.
It is examine week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Dear 8 lb 9 oz little baby Jesus, we need a win. I'll stop cussing and drinking and runnin' round and missing church baby Jesus. I'll buy tickets and stand up and ring my bell Lil Lord Jesus. Just get us through this deep, deep valley of football despair that is our football history. Especially against The Gumps. Amen Amen Amen!
Your faithful servant~ Cooterpoot
No doubt! I hope we build on last week, and we'll be able to tell because we all know our recent offensive history against bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
And the congregation said AMEN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Here's a link to Will's passing splits last year. Check out the vs Ranked and vs Unranked statsQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
http://cfbstats.com/2022/player/430/...ing/split.html
Here's a link to Fitz's passing stats in 2017. Check out the vs Ranked and vs Unranked stats
http://cfbstats.com/2017/player/430/...ing/split.html
Now check out Fitz's rushing splits vs Ranked and Unranked
http://cfbstats.com/2017/player/430/...ing/split.html
Now ... keep in mind that year Fitz played against the SECW Champion (AU which whupped Bama good and also beat GA in regular season), the SEC Champ (GA), and the Natty Champ (Bama beat GA). AU & GA were away games.
Will faced Natty champ (GA at home) and West Champ (LSU in Death Valley). ETA: and of course Bama in T-town.
Fitz actually had a slightly higher QBR against ranked teams. Imagine that. And he had nowheres near the receivers Will had last year.
I'll take Fitz.
Don't get too carried away trying to make your points.
ETA: And Fitz balled out every game, even when he was getting the hell beat out of him.
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Originally Posted by dawgday166
Are we comparing now Fitz v. Rogers? This seems to be a totally different thread topic. To me, your stats show that Rogers had a decline last year v. 2021, a year he faced 5 ranked teams.
If this is the new topic, I will take Don Smith.
But if we are still talking about offensive styles, I would go with Coach Leach beating more top 25 teams in 3 years than any previous MSU coach. And he did it while totally revamping the roster with better receivers. Modify that air raid he had , and go with it.
As someone else posted, maybe Barbay merges the two.
Not a new thread topic...just BSD gets a little carried away at times harping on the wonders of the Air Raid, Rogers accuracy, completion percentage and whatnot. And that's the end all and be all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
He was saying some folks wanna go back to a 52 to 57% completions QBs. Just showing that Fitz completion percentage, QBR, etc against top tier competition compared very favorably to Will's numbers last year against the same.
We won 8 regular season both times but with Fitz 9 would've been the case if OM doesn't break his ankle.
I think most MSU fans in general want to see MSU run a modified modern Air Raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I also have doubts as to whether Barbay can actually do that.
I honestly don?t care what they call the offense. Barbay showed last Saturday the possibility of adaptation. Tomorrow we?ll find out more. As BSD said we need to have a mixture and we do need the ability to run the ball. Balance to me doesn?t mean 50/50 pass run plays but the ability to run when it?s needed and the ability to pass when needed and get chunk plays and not just short gainers. I?m willing to let the season play out and see what happens because we really have no choice and beating the same dead horse day after day really does no good lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yeah. I think too many coaches get caught up in the 50 pass and 50 run thing. Which really doesn't make sense because if you are a traditional 21 personnel grouping you have 2 running backs and 3 eligible receivers. So that would mean 40% to the running backs and 60% to the receivers, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
To me balance is about getting the ball in each of your play makers hands throughout the game. Whether that's passing or running. I think there are times to run and you really need that ability to run out the clock when you have the lead. But to me I think the best way to go is to pass to get the lead and then run to stay there.
Imo the Patriots approach is the best way. Each game has to be approached with a way to attack that particular team where they?re most vulnerable. Each weeks game plan is specific for that particular team. I?ve seen Brady throw it 20-25 times and pound the rock to win one week and throw it 60 times the next week. That?s what balance is, being able to attack a team where they?re most vulnerable. For a baseball example if a guy is a first pitch fastball hitter you dint throw him a fastball on first pitch. I can?t remember what year it was but bama was destroying om on the ground the first half and then kiffen calling pass plays the second half and om wound up beating bama. If they stayed on the ground bama wins. But I?m like you I want to see our best players get the touches whether it?s running or throwing just get it done barbay!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Barbay didn't adapt his offense this past week. Those passing plays were used earlier in the season but we chose to dump it off or had to due to pressure. The offense hasn't changed. Our QB grew a pair and our OL gave him some time. Barbay is limited by his QB. Will wants to be the leader you can tell but he goes into the fetal position and crumbles when he is pressured. Until he learns to roll out and cut loose, we ain't beating Bama. I don't understand why more of you can't see it. He crumbled against OM, he crumbled in the bowl game, he was crumbling against Arizona (despite getting the credit for leading us to a win that should have gone to a RB). He ultimately crumbled last week but somehow we got a moral victory. Will was who he was before we abandoned the air raid. He nearly cost us several games last year. We all talked about it on here, but suddenly now we want to blame the OC for not adapting to him. BS. This is SEC football. Man up and take over a game.