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Originally Posted by Coach34

but my response is that Holman is not an option- so landing a 3-hole hitter to give us what could be the SEC's best hitting line-up is a big damn deal.

We have 5 arms competing for 3 weekend spots. I feel like we'll be fine. aGAIN- nobody expected Holman to be what he was this past season after his freshman season.

Tennessee's best SP didnt even pitch in 2022
SC's best threw 7 innings in 2022
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Every pitcher in the SEC top 15 in ERA improved from the year before. Ours will too

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Everything in this message is why Justin Parker is so key and Fox so bad. People are supposed to get better with time in the program.

In 2022, no returned pitcher improved year-over-year from 2021. MSU had more than 1/2 the pitchers with double-digit ERAs in the SEC.

(1) Cade was good, but he came good. MSU in past years, would have turned him into a 1st or 2nd round pick.
(2) KC Hunt was pitching like a 4th year Freshman
(3) Stinnett was pitching like a Hockey-Player turned pitcher
(4) Gartman went from a decent Memphis pitcher to a well below average (not a 2021 roster player)
(5) Davis went from starting on Friday night regionals to being useless (not a 2021 roster player)
(6) Tepper and Fristoe basically fired Lemons and Fox by leaving the program. They were on steep decline. Tepper became good for Liberty, got drafted mid-round.

In 2021, the injuries were so devastating because nobody was ready to replace Landon, even partially.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I don't believe they paid him 500k.skenes was like 150k, Tommy Tanks like 250k. Both are better than Montgomery. I don't believe the NIL market for Baseball has changed quite that fast that's its comparable to high end football transfers. It also doesn't make sense to throw 500k at an OF when they weren't throwing that at Burns, Holman, Molina, or any of these pitchers who absolutely would help them more than a bat. Like why obly throw money at Poral players now? And why is BM the one they're obsessed with?

No, my guess is that some on the State side would rather the narrative be "we can't compete with that insane money" than the truth, which is "Montgomery, despight all his ties to State, doesn't want to play for us because he wants to win"

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Believe what you want, the money is high but no one is saying we can't compete. We are more than competing for BM with NIL. If we lose him it WILL NOT be because we couldn't afford him. Not sure who told you that or if you are just speculating.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Believe what you want, the money is high but no one is saying we can't compete. We are more than competing for BM with NIL. If we lose him it WILL NOT be because we couldn't afford him. Not sure who told you that or if you are just speculating.

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To be clear I'm 100% speculating, but it's based on factual data oh what NIL baseball players are getting and what's in A&Ms best interest.

I claim no special knowledge and I'm not saying we AREN'T "competitive" our baseball NIL is fine, especially because we haven't gotten anyone to pay yet and blow the budget. I'm saying I do NOT believe he's going to 500k. That number seems like BS to defend Lemo for not landing BM.

Regarding "insider info", I think it's pretty clear at this point that said insider info is BS often as not. "Silent commits" etc.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

To be clear I'm 100% speculating, but it's based on factual data oh what NIL baseball players are getting and what's in A&Ms best interest.

I claim no special knowledge and I'm not saying we AREN'T "competitive" our baseball NIL is fine, especially because we haven't gotten anyone to pay yet and blow the budget. I'm saying I do NOT believe he's going to 500k. That number seems like BS to defend Lemo for not landing BM.

Regarding "insider info", I think it's pretty clear at this point that said insider info is BS often as not. "Silent commits" etc.

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So you say you don't know what you're talking about and you're guessing. Which you are. Stop w that and quit arguing on something you admittedly know nothing about!! .....You don't have a clue. Not one !!! You're arguing to argue. He didn't give an exact number Braden is getting. But it's plenty, unless he goes back to Stanford.

Braden has people pulling him different ways, but unless something changes, it won't be us. Which sucks because this was a battle we couldn't and shouldn't lose.

NIL isn't a major factor, as we can match or exceed anything he'd get from anywhere else. I firmly believe it's the state of our program right now. We've been at the bottom of the league for two years and while Parker should help improve our pitching, we didn't bring in much in terms of impact arms from the portal, so how much our pitching can improve is very much in the air. Another factor is that I think he just might like A&M better. Which isn't an excuse. As a coach on the hot seat, you've got to do whatever it takes to win this battle, but it appears it's one he's going to lose.

I selfishly hope he returns to Stanford so we don't have to face him.

Let me get this story straight.., BM took a surprise visit to Texas A&M and people lose their minds including our ? insiders?. Insiders says that BM is going to Texas A&M but BM has not made a decision. So, nobody knows anything still.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Let me get this story straight.., BM took a surprise visit to Texas A&M and people lose their minds including our ? insiders?. Insiders says that BM is going to Texas A&M but BM has not made a decision. So, nobody knows anything still.

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But but Steve said....

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

But but Steve said....

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Steve does not know jack. He speaks to his audience where it is factual or not. I was really surprised that he said A&M

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

So you say you don't know what you're talking about and you're guessing. Which you are. Stop w that and quit arguing on something you admittedly know nothing about!! .....You don't have a clue. Not one !!! You're arguing to argue. He didn't give an exact number Braden is getting. But it's plenty, unless he goes back to Stanford.

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I never claimed to be spitting facts or insider info, I said I don't believe he was ever offered 500k by A&M. That's a ridiculous number that makes no sense for them to do. It seems like you're thinking I was bashing our own NIL but that's not what I was saying

BUT, if you want to call out people who "dont have a clue", there's a whoooooole lot of big talk in some earlier pages. Might want to start there

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I never claimed to be spitting facts or insider info, I said I don't believe he was ever offered 500k by A&M. That's a ridiculous number that makes no sense for them to do. It seems like you're thinking I was bashing our own NIL but that's not what I was saying

BUT, if you want to call out people who "dont have a clue", there's a whoooooole lot of big talk in some earlier pages. Might want to start there

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Call me out whenever you like. We didn't and aren't getting beat by nil. Just facts.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Call me out whenever you like. We didn't and aren't getting beat by nil. Just facts.

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I don’t think it’s the NIL as a problem for us getting Montgomery either. Like I’ve said several times, I hope we get him.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Let me get this story straight.., BM took a surprise visit to Texas A&M and people lose their minds including our ? insiders?. Insiders says that BM is going to Texas A&M but BM has not made a decision. So, nobody knows anything still.

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Exactly what I said above and then people started saying no it’s cause he doesn’t want to be here cause he hasn’t committed to us yet blah blah blah… BM may go to A&M, but no one knows what he is doing right now… Especially not SR…

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

Exactly what I said above and then people started saying no it’s cause he doesn’t want to be here cause he hasn’t committed to us yet blah blah blah… BM may go to A&M, but no one knows what he is doing right now… Especially not SR…

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I'm pretty sure we're still recruiting him as hard as we can.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I don't believe they paid him 500k.skenes was like 150k, Tommy Tanks like 250k. Both are better than Montgomery. I don't believe the NIL market for Baseball has changed quite that fast that's its comparable to high end football transfers. It also doesn't make sense to throw 500k at an OF when they weren't throwing that at Burns, Holman, Molina, or any of these pitchers who absolutely would help them more than a bat. Like why obly throw money at Poral players now? And why is BM the one they're obsessed with?

No, my guess is that some on the State side would rather the narrative be "we can't compete with that insane money" than the truth, which is "Montgomery, despight all his ties to State, doesn't want to play for us because he wants to win"

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I know some LSU people that would know. And yes they paid Crews 500K. Why I'm not sure- he may have threatened to leave or something. Their players are not immune from being recruited like anyone else. Skenes got 250K. Gave it all to charity.

sounds like the common denominator in the BM decision boils down to how impressed he is with Lemo............But we all knew that, right? Hence, he gets another year on the nice bucket

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I know some LSU people that would know. And yes they paid Crews 500K. Why I'm not sure- he may have threatened to leave or something. Their players are not immune from being recruited like anyone else. Skenes got 250K. Gave it all to charity.

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Maybe I'm way off, but I've heard LSU fans give much lower numbers. It doesn't really matter. I'm sure our NIL offer to BM is plenty good and if he wanted to play for us he'd be in the boat by now

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Call me out whenever you like. We didn't and aren't getting beat by nil. Just facts.

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Thats literally what I was saying!

I never said our NIL was being beaten. I was saying I don't think A&M is offering 500k and that that number is being floated to hide that we did make a comparable NIL offer and BM still chose to not play here.

I don't know why you keep acting like I'm trashing our NIL.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Thats literally what I was saying!

I never said our NIL was being beaten. I was saying I don't think A&M is offering 500k and that that number is being floated to hide that we did make a comparable NIL offer and BM still chose to not play here.

I don't know why you keep acting like I'm trashing our NIL.

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The number being offered to BM is closer to $500K than $250K. Believe it or not, that's his neighborhood. But he wouldn't mind going back to Stanford either which has pennies in NIL to offer. So TAM and us could lose out with substantially larger packages. It's just a matter of what BM wants to do. His family wants him closer, there is one pushing for a large payout (not BM or his mom)...it's a complicated deal all around.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

So you say you don't know what you're talking about and you're guessing. Which you are. Stop w that and quit arguing on something you admittedly know nothing about!! .....You don't have a clue. Not one !!! You're arguing to argue. He didn't give an exact number Braden is getting. But it's plenty, unless he goes back to Stanford.

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Must spread rep around. That dude just spews random crap like a machine gun, and never says anything...just says everyone else is wrong.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

Must spread rep around. That dude just spews random crap like a machine gun, and never says anything...just says everyone else is wrong.

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I do say others are wrong... when I think they're wrong. In this thread alone I've brought stats from State, "SEC only" data, season long SEC data, Stanford, Arizona, Miami, Purdue, LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn. I've looked up rosters from '22 to discuss the type of transfers other SEC schools get. All to arguebwhat I truly believe to be the truth. Am I wrong some? Absolutely. And I admit it when proven to be unlike many on here.

Would you prefer me if I claimed to have insider info and that we had some huge Portal names secretly commited? Cause unlike me using stats to build an argument, that actually is "spewing crap"

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The number being offered to BM is closer to $500K than $250K. Believe it or not, that's his neighborhood. But he wouldn't mind going back to Stanford either which has pennies in NIL to offer. So TAM and us could lose out with substantially larger packages. It's just a matter of what BM wants to do. His family wants him closer, there is one pushing for a large payout (not BM or his mom)...it's a complicated deal all around.

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At least MSU is not making this cheap for TAM.

This is money TAM would put into 2-or-3 4-Star OTs for the Football team.

This will also force TAM to pay Laviolette some big money or the locker room implodes.

Aggie isn't the only sec school that was willing to pay 500k, allegedly.

If Lemonis whiffs on this guy after whiffing on Holman, it is a really bad look. But, it is a whole new level of bad to be leaving hundreds of thousands of NIL on the table after all the fuss about our fans not contributing earlier and more aggressively. We have heard repeatedly that we could be competitive with anyone in baseball NIL, but the results do not reflect that.

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

If Lemonis whiffs on this guy after whiffing on Holman, it is a really bad look. But, it is a whole new level of bad to be leaving hundreds of thousands of NIL on the table after all the fuss about our fans not contributing earlier and more aggressively. We have heard repeatedly that we could be competitive with anyone in baseball NIL, but the results do not reflect that.

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That's what happens when you keep a coach that's heading out the door. I think everyone saw this coming. Like it was mentioned above, the pitching coach search was just another sign of how we should have just moved on. I hope that we're wrong

At this point, our hope rests solely on Justin Parker.

MSU will be fine. No pitching and no additional help offensively. I see this team making it to Omaha. - Todd

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

At this point, our hope rests solely on Justin Parker.

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Amen to that

Just out of curiosity I pulled up the final rankings from D1Baseball. The usual suspects come in at the top 7: LSU, UF, Wake, Stanford, TCU, UVA, UT....but then there is Oral Roberts at 8, USM at 9, Indiana State at 11, Duke at 15, Kentucky at 17, Costal Carolina at 21, Campbell at 22, East Carolina at 24 and Dallas Baptist rounds out the top 25. Now, most of these are not Johnny-come-lately programs. They have been hanging around the top tier of collegiate baseball for a while now. And that is the rub. If most of those from 8 down to 25, including Wake, were just showing up for the first time and it was some kind of anomaly for just this year it may be different. But I will be damned if our program should be sitting in its present state with all those programs mentioned sitting where they presently reside. It is total BS. At first I was not too torqued out of shape about keeping Lemonis around and felt like he would pull it together in the offseason with portal work. It is looking MUCH less promising now than it ever did.

The best bet is to go all in with Jans and the basketball program. There isn?t any sense in drowning in sadness with the baseball program.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

The best bet is to go all in with Jans and the basketball program. There isn?t any sense in drowning in sadness with the baseball program.

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NIL ain't the issue, the stadium and facilities ain't the issue........only 1 dull reason why MSU can't attract a top tier portal player

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

If Lemonis whiffs on this guy after whiffing on Holman, it is a really bad look. But, it is a whole new level of bad to be leaving hundreds of thousands of NIL on the table after all the fuss about our fans not contributing earlier and more aggressively. We have heard repeatedly that we could be competitive with anyone in baseball NIL, but the results do not reflect that.

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Look, we didn't lose him bc of Lem, we didn't lose him bc of the staff, we didn't lose him bc of nil. Kid just didn't want to be in state. We were led to believe otherwise for a while. Is what it is.....

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Originally Posted by msstate7

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Coming from the guy who adamantly wanted Jans fired 5 games into conference. Board is full of them.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

NIL ain't the issue, the stadium and facilities ain't the issue........only 1 dull reason why MSU can't attract a top tier portal player

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So answer the big mystery:

Lemon has signed B2B Top 10 recruiting classes. Why is he not "dull" then? I agree 100% his portal recruiting has been sub-par but cant understand how he is able to sign top classes regularly

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Look, we didn't lose him bc of Lem, we didn't lose him bc of the staff, we didn't lose him bc of nil. Kid just didn't want to be in state. We were led to believe otherwise for a while. Is what it is.....

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This^^^. Hell the family was looking at houses in Starkville and had contacted Starkville Academy for the younger. Every indication people had from the family and sources within the group pointed to him coming...he just didn't get the memo.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Coming from the guy who adamantly wanted Jans fired 5 games into conference. Board is full of them.

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He proved me wrong.
Lemonis is proving me right like Moorhead

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Originally Posted by Pancho

NIL ain't the issue, the stadium and facilities ain't the issue........only 1 dull reason why MSU can't attract a top tier portal player

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Again, in this case, at least, you'd be wrong. The staff had a blowout great meeting w him at the cape. He never wanted to come here. It became apparent. BM was appeasing people. Then BM finally won

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He proved me wrong.
Lemonis is proving me right like Moorhead

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I won't argue w that.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Again, in this case, at least, you'd be wrong. The staff had a blowout great meeting w him at the cape. He never wanted to come here. It became apparent. BM was appeasing people. Then BM finally won

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If he never wanted to come here, maybe they shoulda moved on to someone who did.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Again, in this case, at least, you'd be wrong. The staff had a blowout great meeting w him at the cape. He never wanted to come here. It became apparent. BM was appeasing people. Then BM finally won

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Not just BM. I'm referring to the glaring reason and the only reason any top portal guys lose interest in MSU. There is just 1 reason and said reason sits on the bucket.