If a QB transfers in do we lose any existing QB's on team?

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Originally Posted by parabrave

LSU would snag him

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You think so? The crazy thing about LSU to me is they've never had an identity at Qb. They're all over the place. They ruin athletic Qb's and the pocket passing players tank. KT still really doesn't have an identity. I don't know what he'd bring there.

If key does transfer, he should consider Tulane. I know it isn't a sexy choice, but he'd kill in under fritz. He'd be home and fritz is gonna win 9 or more there soon

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Kevin Fant had the tools to be an elite quarterback, but we had a quarterback controversy, and the offensive players wanted another quarterback, and just didn't block for him, and basically he got mobbed when he dropped back. Our coaching staff should have handled that but they didn't. Some of the recruiting experts said that Fant had more potential coming out of high school than Eli did.

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There was no Qb controversy, Sparky Woods happened to Fant. Jenkins was tops in the SEC due to Fant's passing.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Looked it up... here's the rankings of the 8 sec teams each faced in total def:

2012 - 1, 8, 45, 58, 60, 74, 81, 110 avg 54.6
2018 - 16, 23, 25, 28, 32, 37, 79, 121 avg 45.1

So yeah, the defenses were tougher. Against the top 4 defenses in both years, here's the point totals: 2012 - 61, 2018 - 16.

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We can split hairs on this point all day. I'll back up and simply admit that Mullen did better with a poor fit he'd coached for three years than Moorhead did with one that he'd coached for none. Not surprising.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Looked it up... here's the rankings of the 8 sec teams each faced in total def:

2012 - 1, 8, 45, 58, 60, 74, 81, 110 avg 54.6
2018 - 16, 23, 25, 28, 32, 37, 79, 121 avg 45.1

So yeah, the defenses were tougher. Against the top 4 defenses in both years, here's the point totals: 2012 - 61, 2018 - 16.

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To clarify, total defense's top metric is yds/game so why throw in the point total at the end of your post? In both situations, the records were both 0-4....

Also, why use the average in your equation when you could also use the mean? If using the mean, Mullen faced the 59th ranked total defense while Moorhead contended with the 30th total ranked defense. For perspective, which would you to have preferred to play each week last year - Notre Dame or Pitt? Notre Dame was the 30th ranked in total defense, while Pitt was 59th.

If comparing scoring defenses:

2012 - 1, 12, 26, 58, 65, 82, 86, 107
2018 - 6, 12, 14, 20, 26, 47, 108, 113

If taking the mean of the scoring defenses: Mullen faced the 62nd ranked scoring defense while Joe faced the 23rd.

Again, I'll ask - who do you think we'd score more against last year - Penn State (23rd) or Middle TN State (62nd).

You can skew numbers to make them fit whatever narrative you're trying to push....

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Yeah, like that...
2012 total offense - 7th in sec
2012 total offense conf only - 7th

Top half. Wanna compare to this year?

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Not to hate on Tyler Russell bc he was a fish out of water in that system but in 2012 we played a cupcake schedule, best win was Tennessee at home and we won that one by 3. We lost to northwestern in the Gator bowl...went 8-5....in year 4....sounds eerily familar to Joe Moorhead in 2018, except he had a better defense but a tougher schedule. Beat Ole Miss on the road...Mullen lost to them....best wins TX A&M and Jimbo...who you idolize..and Auburn. Mullen beat Auburn at home who was pretty bad and got skull dragged by A&M at home.

Damn the Moorhead haters will hate this post

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Not to hate on Tyler Russell bc he was a fish out of water in that system but in 2012 we played a cupcake schedule, best win was Tennessee at home and we won that one by 3. We lost to northwestern in the Gator bowl...went 8-5....in year 4....sounds eerily familar to Joe Moorhead in 2018, except he had a better defense but a tougher schedule. Beat Ole Miss on the road...Mullen lost to them....best wins TX A&M and Jimbo...who you idolize..and Auburn. Mullen beat Auburn at home who was pretty bad and got skull dragged by A&M at home.

Damn the Moorhead haters will hate this post

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There were 3 draft picks off that team the following draft and 1 draft pick the next (2013 draft - 2nd, 2nd, 5th; 2014 - 3rd). There will be how many drafted this weekend? In fact, there have been 4 total 1st round picks from miss state since 1985; there will be 3 Thursday night

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Originally Posted by msstate7

There were 3 draft picks off that team the following draft and 1 draft pick the next (2013 draft - 2nd, 2nd, 5th; 2014 - 3rd). There will be how many drafted this weekend? In fact, there have been 4 total 1st round picks from miss state since 1985; there will be 3 Thursday night

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Yes we had the number one defense with those guys. Those guys didn?t underperform. The problem is the other side of the ball. Mullen didn?t do anymore with the same players the year before. So stop. Please. Stop. Bringing. Up. The. Ex. Girlfriend. Go eat some ice cream.

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Originally Posted by Relardo Sidney

A good offensive coach can tweak his system for a talented Qb. If Moorhead can't adapt his offense for a Qb I don't want him coaching us anymore.

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Dan Mullen struggled with Tyler Russell. Mike Leach struggled his first few years at Washington State. Chip Kelly at UCLA. Gus at Auburn when he does not have a mobile qb. I'm sure there are plenty more examples. Those are all extremely bright offensive minds and considered elite offensive coaches.

Let's compare 2016 to 2018. I'm ready to fight.

I'm kidding. Had to try this gif.

https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/UN...08ee9f6c5b6db8

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

we had a quarterback controversy, and the offensive players wanted another quarterback, and just didn't block for him.....

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I?ve heard this same rumor many times over the years regarding many other QBs and their backup. From 198something to just a few years ago.

I?m going with the OL just wasn?t that good in 2002 and 2003.

Here's the defenses stats for conf only teams we faced in 2018 and how we performed...

Kentucky:
Total def - 332.6 yds/game; 201 yds (what we got)
Scoring def - 16.5 pts; 7 pts (what we got)

Florida:
Total def - 376.8 yds; 202 yds
Scoring def - 25.6 pts; 6 pts

Auburn
Total def - 420.0 yds; 418 yds
Scoring - 24.6 pts; 23 pts

LSU:
Total def - 375.1 yds; 260 yds
Scoring - 25.4 pts; 6 pts

aTm:
Total def - 355.9 yds; 384 yds
Scoring - 31.4 pts; 28 pts

Bama:
Total def - 290.9 yds; 169 yds
Scoring - 15.7 pts; 0 pts

Ark:
Total def - 442.0 yds; 475 yds
Scoring - 39.9 pts; 52 pts

OM:
Total def - 483.6 yards; 420 yds
Scoring - 41.0 pts; 35 pts

Avg total def - 384.6 yds; 316.1 yds (17.2% less than avg)

Avg scoring def - 27.5 pts; 19.3 (29.8% less than avg)