If a QB transfers in do we lose any existing QB's on team?

[TrapGame]

If Moorhead goes with a transfer over KT I hope Moorhead himself transfers out at the end of the year. You're a terrible offensive coach if you can't win 8 games with KT.

Some of y'all act this is Joe's first rodeo. Ain't it funny he didn't have a problem with QBs picking up his offense until getting here. That's on Mullen and what he was looking for in a QB not Joe.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

KT will not be here in 4 months IMO.

If Stevens comes...agree 100%

[yjnkdawg]

Agreed...It feels as if we're trending more to the ole miss offense and they're trending more back to our offense under Mullen. With our recruiting and history you mention above, I don't like the odds of Moorhead able to recruit enough quality at the necessary positions to make it work. So we're going to spend 3-4 years turning over our roster and "changing the culture"...what happens when it doesn't work? We're upside down and have to rebuild again.

JoeMo has never run a Freeze/Longo type offense and he isn't planning too. In that offense there were no quarterback reads, but elite tall, big, and athletic receivers who got open or went up and got those 50/50 balls. That offense sure didn't prepare their receivers, who made it to the NFL, for that level of play. Their talent, size, and athleticism was what got them there.

[msstate7]

JoeMo has never run a Freeze/Longo type offense and he isn't planning too. In that offense there were no quarterback reads, but elite tall, big, and athletic receivers who got open or went up and got those 50/50 balls. That offense sure didn't prepare their receivers, who made it to the NFL, for that level of play. Their talent, size, and athleticism was what got them there.

Freeze ran reads

ETA... bo's fumble in 2013 egg bowl was a zone read

[yjnkdawg]

If Stevens comes...agree 100%

For those saying that KT should red shirt, I don't see him doing that, but I guess anything is possible (<5%)

[yjnkdawg]

Freeze ran reads

He did to some extent, but Longo didn't.

[yjnkdawg]

This QB situation will make or break Moorhead. I hate to the tell the guy. But the recipe for success at MSU has been an athletic QB, RB and hard nose defense. Moorhead had all that last year. But to the point.... I?m thinking back
Over the years, how many true pocket passers have we had ? Or just good passing QBs? Todd Jordan and shell, Madkin and Fant were good by MSU standards and obviously Dak. However, if Moorhead can recruit and get to campus a steady stream of prolific passers, he will have done something in recruiting that many head coaches before him haven?t been able to do.

We shall see. I know nothing of the Stevens situation. But I?ll be shocked if State gets a grad QB.

Kevin Fant had the tools to be an elite quarterback, but we had a quarterback controversy, and the offensive players wanted another quarterback, and just didn't block for him, and basically he got mobbed when he dropped back. Our coaching staff should have handled that but they didn't. Some of the recruiting experts said that Fant had more potential coming out of high school than Eli did.

[Johnson85]

If Stevens comes...agree 100%

Just depends on when he can graduate. Unless it's clear he's going to get passed by Mayden or Schrader, there's no hurry for him to leave. If he stays and is the next starter, he can still have two years as the starter, which is the same amount he can have if he leaves. If he can't reasonably graduate until next summer, and he is worried about being the next QB, then maybe he wants to go ahead and transfer so he can have fall and spring practice with a new team and coach because otherwise he'd be trying to win a position in a new system in fall camp. But if he could graduate as early as december (which I assume is unlikely?), he could practice this fall and then if he thinks he won't be the man, still have the ability to transfer and do spring practice with another team in 2020.

[Jarius]

Just depends on when he can graduate. Unless it's clear he's going to get passed by Mayden or Schrader, there's no hurry for him to leave. If he stays and is the next starter, he can still have two years as the starter, which is the same amount he can have if he leaves. If he can't reasonably graduate until next summer, and he is worried about being the next QB, then maybe he wants to go ahead and transfer so he can have fall and spring practice with a new team and coach because otherwise he'd be trying to win a position in a new system in fall camp. But if he could graduate as early as december (which I assume is unlikely?), he could practice this fall and then if he thinks he won't be the man, still have the ability to transfer and do spring practice with another team in 2020.

He will transfer in August, redshirt, and start somewhere else next year. He is not staying here if we pass him Over for a qb that is gonna show up 4 months before our season. It just is not going to happen. The writing will be on the wall that he is just simply not what Joe wants in a qb. This system does not fit him.

[Relardo Sidney]

A good offensive coach can tweak his system for a talented Qb. If Moorhead can't adapt his offense for a Qb I don't want him coaching us anymore.

[msstate7]

A good offensive coach can tweak his system for a talented Qb. If Moorhead can't adapt his offense for a Qb I don't want him coaching us anymore.

I agree, but maybe he just likes Stevens better. He's coached both a decent amount of time.

[Cowbell]

A good offensive coach can tweak his system for a talented Qb. If Moorhead can't adapt his offense for a Qb I don't want him coaching us anymore.

This has me 100% concerned.

[Tbonewannabe]

A good offensive coach can tweak his system for a talented Qb. If Moorhead can't adapt his offense for a Qb I don't want him coaching us anymore.

Kind of like Mullen did for Tyler Russell?

[msstate7]

Kind of like Mullen did for Tyler Russell?

Yeah, like that...
2012 total offense - 7th in sec
2012 total offense conf only - 7th

Top half. Wanna compare to this year?

[Relardo Sidney]

Kind of like Mullen did for Tyler Russell?

Or Chris Relf?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

JoeMo has never run a Freeze/Longo type offense and he isn't planning too. In that offense there were no quarterback reads, but elite tall, big, and athletic receivers who got open or went up and got those 50/50 balls. That offense sure didn't prepare their receivers, who made it to the NFL, for that level of play. Their talent, size, and athleticism was what got them there.

You're reading too much into it. We're trying to install more vertical routes, with complicated reads and they're installing more power option. With our recruiting profile, I think we are more suited to be a run first team, with limited reads and PA. Unless JoMo hits home runs in recruiting and totally changes our recruiting profile at a few positions, this offense will not work for us. I think we're adding more finesse and getting away from physicality.

[thf24]

Yeah, like that...
2012 total offense - 7th in sec
2012 total offense conf only - 7th

Top half. Wanna compare to this year?

10th all games, 8th SEC only. Also, in 2012 our opponents' average total defense ranking was 61 versus 46 in 2018. That Russell offense didn't play a defense in the top 60 in the first 8 games of the season, and we all remember what happened once it did. All things considered, I'd call Mullen/Russell vs. Moorhead/Fitz a wash.

[msstate7]

10th all games, 8th SEC only. Also, in 2012 our opponents' average total defense ranking was 61 versus 46 in 2018. That Russell offense didn't play a defense in the top 60 in the first 8 games of the season, and we all remember what happened once it did. All things considered, I'd call Mullen/Russell vs. Moorhead/Fitz a wash.

8th in conf only games? Might wanna check that, 11th



Yds/play all games: 2018 - 9th, 2012 - 6th
Yds/play conf only: 2018 - 10th, 2012 - 5th

[thf24]

8th in conf only games? Might wanna check that, 11th



Yds/play all games: 2018 - 9th, 2012 - 6th
Yds/play conf only: 2018 - 10th, 2012 - 5th

Got me there, not sure what I was looking at. Fact remains though that we played on average tougher defenses in 2018. Let's also bear in mind Russell had three years in Mullen's offense with some game experience going into 2012 while Fitz had none in Moorhead's.

[msstate7]

Got me there, not sure what I was looking at. Fact remains though that we played on average tougher defenses in 2018. Let's also bear in mind Russell had three years in Mullen's offense with some game experience going into 2012 while Fitz had none in Moorhead's.

Looked it up... here's the rankings of the 8 sec teams each faced in total def:

2012 - 1, 8, 45, 58, 60, 74, 81, 110 avg 54.6
2018 - 16, 23, 25, 28, 32, 37, 79, 121 avg 45.1

So yeah, the defenses were tougher. Against the top 4 defenses in both years, here's the point totals: 2012 - 61, 2018 - 16.