College Football Is In A Really Bad Spot

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

The best programs are still going to be the best. But in basketball and baseball, if you do things the right way, you have a chance. In college football, that's not the case.

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That is true. You have to earn it in basketball and baseball. Football has gotten better with playoff - Bama would probably have 2 more NC without playoff system.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

85 to 70 says different. You are reducing football to make you somehow feel like you are leveling the playing field. The money sports are losing players so you can spread to other sports. You can say you are spreading them but you are reducing opportunities to athletes in one sport ( football) because you don?t like the outcomes now

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Opportunities? The bottom 40 players don't do anything with football long term.

So by not having 30-40 baseball schollies you are taking away opportunities from them? Everyone can't and shouldn't get an athletic scholarship. Everyone shouldn't go to college either but everyone seems to think so.

Those players could do it the old fashioned way - pay your way. I could have played college ball at a lower level but decided my education and future was worth more in long run vs sitting on bench or playing for some small school with some wasted major.

Life has choices and consequences.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

That is true. You have to earn it in basketball and baseball. Football has gotten better with playoff - Bama would probably have 2 more NC without playoff system.

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Part of the reason you have a better shot in basketball though is the randomness of 1 game in a tourney. Basketball in 1 game doesn't yield the better team winning anywhere close to the same % as football. Basketball and baseball need series to yield the better team. Football equivalent imo would be like playing 1 quarter. Another reason basketball has more parity is the 1 and done.

How about term limits for coaches***

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Good post and I agree. But the high schools, parents, everyone has supported this ridiculous philosophy. Sports is everything. Academics don't even matter.

Parents spend their retirements on sending their kids to every camp, improvement clinic, etc. while they are failing school. This is one reason why our culture and society is falling apart. The Roman empire fell when it became so obsessed with sports and entertainment. The other key piece is the moral fabric has also eroded.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Part of the reason you have a better shot in basketball though is the randomness of 1 game in a tourney. Basketball in 1 game doesn't yield the better team winning anywhere close to the same % as football. Basketball and baseball need series to yield the better team. Football equivalent imo would be like playing 1 quarter. Another reason basketball has more parity is the 1 and done.

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Agree on the nature of the game, but the NFL has figured it out, so
there are ways to improve the situation.

Not sure I agree with the 1 and done.

The 1 and done is two fold. Yes, Duke and KY are usually young, which helps everyone else, but due to their players leaving every year, they hoard all the best recruit due to being able to offer starting positions.

If Ky returned its point guard, for example, the #1 HS point guard wouldn't go to KY and the talent would be more distributed.

Big part of the problem--the commissioners of the SEC, ACC, and BiG10 are happy with Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State making the playoff every year, even if it hurts the rest of their conferences. That's a lot of influence on the NCAA.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree on the nature of the game, but the NFL has figured it out, so
there are ways to improve the situation.

Not sure I agree with the 1 and done.

The 1 and done is two fold. Yes, Duke and KY are usually young, which helps everyone else, but due to their players leaving every year, they hoard all the best recruit due to being able to offer starting positions.

If Ky returned its point guard, for example, the #1 HS point guard wouldn't go to KY and the talent would be more distributed.

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Well the nfl has a draft and a salary cap. You'll never get to force athletes to particular schools.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well the nfl has a draft and a salary cap. You'll never get to force athletes to particular schools.

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Totally agree and that’s why we can only improve the situation rather than solving it

The college football product is better than it's ever been.

Teams executing the forward pass better than ever. High scoring games. TV ratings are still
Good. Revenue is growing each year.

Last year LSU was a great story. Coastal, Indiana and Cincy have been good stories this year. aTm has a chance of getting in the playoffs for the first time this year.

The SECCG featuring two explosive offensive teams in Alabama v Florida, will be one of the best matchups in the history of the SEC championship game. The tv rating will be extremely high.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

The college football product is better than it's ever been.

Teams executing the forward pass better than ever. High scoring games. TV ratings are still
Good. Revenue is growing each year.

Last year LSU was a great story. Coastal, Indiana and Cincy have been good stories this year. aTm has a chance of getting in the playoffs for the first time this year.

The SECCG featuring two explosive offensive teams in Alabama v Florida, will be one of the best matchups in the history of the SEC championship game. The tv rating will be extremely high.

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Not as good as it could be

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Originally Posted by Patrick Tibbons

How many times are you going to start this same thread? I think I?ve read a version of this post by you 25 different times.

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Do you disagree. Why do you care how many times he starts a post.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

I didn?t read through it all because I?ve seen it before. So please tell me what happens to all these players who now lose opportunities at a college scholarship because you think it?s unfair. Tell me. Let?s take opportunities away because you aren?t happy

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They better hit the books harder in High School.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

Not following your logic. These programs still have their athletes. So you are saying eliminate 900 college football athletes in just Power 5 Conferences to give to tennis, baseball etc. Even though these programs are totally funded by football.
By the way have you thought about the trickle down to each level of college. Eventually you have run many young people out of a sport way too early

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What happened to those 900 the last time the cut and went to 85?

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Originally Posted by runwildjerious

I agree. Reducing the scholarships would be a good start though. Right now, teams like Bama and Clemson have 5 stars as third team players that might now play a lot until their senior year. I also think coaching salaries should be capped. It would cause less movement.

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Can't argue with that. Maybe head coaching salaries should be capped to not exceed the University President's salary. That's the way it was with the Bear and seemed to work well. And no reason to have 85 scholarships - only 22 can be on the field at one time. With injuries and breathers, 60 should be enough. Then bring the ticket prices down where an average family can afford them.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

I didn?t read through it all because I?ve seen it before. So please tell me what happens to all these players who now lose opportunities at a college scholarship because you think it?s unfair. Tell me. Let?s take opportunities away because you aren?t happy

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Opportunities? How about work your way through school like I and many more like me did! I had summer jobs, I co-oped, I worked during Christmas break, basically anytime I could. Or there are student loans for those that can take advantage of it (it is not for everyone). You make it sound like if someone does not get a scholarship, they are screwed and can not go to college.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Opportunities? How about work your way through school like I and many more like me did! I had summer jobs, I co-oped, I worked during Christmas break, basically anytime I could. Or there are student loans for those that can take advantage of it (it is not for everyone). You make it sound like if someone does not get a scholarship, they are screwed and can not go to college.

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Exactly.