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JoMo gives no suspension for a punch that may have broken next years starting QB's eye socket and expects Gay to be a leader on the team? JoMo won't make it halfway through next season with that strategy. Why the lack of support for Shrader? Can't believe your first thought goes to KT playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reunion Dog
It sounds like the team isn't supporting Shrader. Maybe they know more than a fan poster who thinks Shrader is the future team leader. Respect is earned not given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Cry me a river. You sound really ignorant person picking a side of situation with no facts. Willie is the team leader. Even if Willie was wrong he would have been chastised by other team members. This isn't the first time Shrader has gotten into situations with team members. Some have been offensive veterans. Again, respect is earned not given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Yep. Unlikely Gay makes it through next year without problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
If he has an orbital fracture I would say that there is still a chance Shrader plays. Depends on if he has double vision or not. At least that's what you're typically worried about. Anyway they're typically stable fractures so it's unlikely to get worse. Usually they heal on their own but do sometimes require surgery if it's really bad.
I say that not knowing if Shrader has double vision or if Joe is just going to suspend or if he even really has a fracture or not.
If Gay is the leader that explains a lot of our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
You can permanently damage a person's vision with a blow to the head or eye. So it's not that funny to land blows to the head in the name of "football culture."
Who says it was funny? You don't know what happened or how it started. What If Shrader threw a punch first and Willie responded back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Kinda sounds like you're picking a side. With no facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I have no idea who is to blame here, but I am interested in the shrader ark suspension rumor. Anyone got some info? If this isn't shrader's 1st fight this season and gay's antics on the field, could just be 2 hotheads blowing upQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Based on Gay's actions on the field and off the field yes it's a problem. Could you see Barrin Simpson getting kicked out of a game or fighting Wayne Madkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I still think a big part of the Stansbury rot at the end was keeping Sidney and letting Bailey go. If — if — Shrader started it, they both go.
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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Shrader is the future team leader if he's already calling people out in the huddle (our nfl center) and seeing how hard he plays. The helicopter play should have build a lot of cred with players. Also, hopefully he is not a hot-headed d*** cause that makes him harder to follow. As far as who started what, I have no clue. Just hope it's not a serious injury to keep him from playing. And as far as Willie, he hasn't exactly exhibited the behavior of a leader on or off the field with some of his antics.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Edit: didn't mean to quote you interpolation
Good post. Punching a teammate in the face for feeling disrespected is the opposite of real toughness. It's weak and idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Look, this team hasn't been a "team" all season. There's a split and it's been building up steam all year. John Cohen could've fixed it but he pussed out. If we lose the bowl game (especially if it's ugly), things are going off the rails.
I have heard for past two years discipline and accountability are just words and not enforcement by this staff. SloMo is more worried about the players liking him than respecting him. Players are running the locker room not the coaches
What Shrader is rumored to have called Willie is on a WHOLE other level of feeling disrespected. Can?t even post it here. Y?all might want to dig for the whole story.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
I?ve heard the same.
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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Lets not forget about being the orchestrator of tutorgate. Or at least patient zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Sounds like both 6s need to grow the hell up.
And joe should be roasted for this. Fights during practice are no big deal. But fights after practice are not in the heat of the moment.
No. Ray?s entourage got in to it with a group and a buddy of his stabbed someone in the brawl. Ray testified against his friend in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
Rumors are encouragedQuote:
Originally Posted by Thrill1
Rumors. One rumor was that Joe was gone but now he isn't and now he has almost lost total control of the team. I put it all there at the feet of our GURU. I have zero confidence in him and the bowl game and have no idea whether he can win 6 games next year.
None of you know shit
Welcome to a message board shit birdQuote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
For the "this is good crowd," please tell the last time Brady or Brees or Lamar or Peyton got into a fight with their teammates?
Program is a disaster saved by Ole Miss being Ole Miss.
Willie Gay won't be back.
The more I hear about this them more I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
MSU football appears leaderless right now.
Something about the culture of our program became rotten. Perhaps it's Joe's fault or perhaps we recruited a bad batch of players that fully took over the team during the coaching change & we haven't recovered yet.
Either way, I'm sick & tired of hearing about cheating, sucker punches, lack of effort, players sitting out bowl games, & players sitting out games when they were healthy enough to play.
Something is wrong with the chemistry & culture of the program right now & it's got to be fixed. Without being there on a daily basis though, it's impossible to know who's fault it is or how to fix it.
First off, you don't know this. Where is going to go? He's really going to pass up on all the money he could make next year because he's upset? That would be awfully immature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Secondly, if Willie left that would say an awful lot about Willie. As if I need to know much more after he cheated & got ejected from multiple games.
Thirdly, if Joe kicks him off, it must've been really bad.
You can go back to the kid's recruitment & see that his head isn't screwed on right. Regardless of what Shrader did or didn't say, there is absolutely no justification for this type of behavior
Willie Gay will be moving on. Merry Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
To where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
good thread
players getting punched in the face by teammates is healthy
serious
when does my avatar show up?
maybe this post....?
To the nfl. Where else would he go?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I could see him at Parchman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
So he's an idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Because going to the NFL right now would cost him literally millions of dollars compared to what a competent year could do for him next year.
Only an idiot would leave under his circumstances. That or someone who can't make grades.
Exactly. Unfortunately we have another year of this crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Not a fist fight but Manning and Saturday got into it during a game one time, Brady and McDaniel too. I also remember AJ McCarron and his center having a shoving match on the field during NCG. It happens but never heard of teammates 17ing each other up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
TruthQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
But I thought it was a great thing that we qualified for a bowl. Very important for our team.