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11-18-2019, 10:59 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

An MSU guy at President, AD, & football coach would be the most MSU thing ever.

Remind me who you would be for us hiring again? You don't think Joe is the guy, and you aren't for Hud, Napier, Norvell or Clark. I think any of those guys would be better to Joe, but admit there are risks with all. Who would you support that we could realistically get next year?
11-18-2019, 11:01 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

To me, I don't care that he's an MSU guy. That's just a bonus I guess? I'm simply looking at his strengths and weaknesses on paper and considering the fact it's a realistic hire. It's not an Urban Meyer pipe dream or PJ Fleck or someone else that we know isn't reality. No coach is going to be perfect and have 100% of the fan base behind them. But to me, HUD is one (not the only) that has a lot of things I'm interested in seeing.

I will make a side argument the two times we've come close to a major championships in men's sports it was under "MSU" guys. Richard Williams and John Cohen. They had some issues too but they also won SEC Championships and came razor close to bringing home a national championship.

There?s something to be said about someone really wanting to be somewhere.
11-18-2019, 11:04 AM
AROB44

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Originally Posted by Hambone

One thing I just realized.....

Don?t you think there would be a better than average shot that he brought Chad Bumphis with him??? That would be a plus

Why is that such a plus? Is he a really good coach or a great recruiter? Just because he played here is not a reason.
11-18-2019, 11:06 AM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by Hambone

No. No no no.

We are currently on probation and you simply cannot bring in a coach that has put a team on probation while you, yourself, is on probation.

Yeah that's rich coming from us as a fanbase right now under the circumstance with Tutorgate.
11-18-2019, 11:07 AM
AROB44

Why is Hud a "MSU guy"? He went to Delta State not MSU.
11-18-2019, 11:07 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don?t think he is able to hire Saunders again if he wanted to.

Ha. Well that?s true for everyone with his 10 year show cause. He didn?t last but a year as HC at PRCC.
11-18-2019, 11:08 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Ha. Well that?s true for everyone with his 10 year show cause. He didn?t last but a year as HC at PRCC.

And I think he got fired there for breaking the rules too.
11-18-2019, 11:15 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Remind me who you would be for us hiring again? You don't think Joe is the guy, and you aren't for Hud, Napier, Norvell or Clark. I think any of those guys would be better to Joe, but admit there are risks with all. Who would you support that we could realistically get next year?

Where have I said I’m against Napier? Hell, at this point give me Norvell.
11-18-2019, 11:18 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by AROB44

Why is Hud a "MSU guy"? He went to Delta State not MSU.

He’s an MSU guy. Always has been. He just couldn’t play at State.
11-18-2019, 11:21 AM
Cooterpoot

Hud is our last resort guy if we can’t pull a G HC or top assistant we like. I’m fine with that if we can’t get anyone. But we don’t need him here otherwise & I really don’t believe he’s anywhere near the top of the wish list.
11-18-2019, 11:23 AM
PGHBulldogBG

My first three choices to replace mullen were. Matt Campbell. Neal Brown and Dave Clawson. They were reasonable options with possibly the exception of Campbell at the time. If we can’t get these 3 I would take Huds. Not sold on Norvell or Napier but would rather have Napier or the two. I think they might both be flash in the pan types
11-18-2019, 11:28 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Hiring Hud would be unexciting, unimaginative, underwhelming, unimpressive. Being that it checks all those boxes I fully expect him to be the next MSU coach, this year or next.

As long as he has us prepared to play and physically and mentally ready I don't care how it looks. I don't want to win the ****ing press conference. It's time to win some ****ing games.
11-18-2019, 12:03 PM
TNDawg35

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Hud is the cute chick that loves you but is never the hottest girl in the room. How long do you bypass the one that loves you in favor of unknowns that may be sexier on the hoof?

Depends on how big the ?cute? chiks tits are...
11-18-2019, 12:21 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

An MSU guy at President, AD, & football coach would be the most MSU thing ever.

So I guess having an alum or "school x Guy" as President, AD, and HC is fine for a school like UGA, but bad for us?
11-18-2019, 12:22 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

So I guess having an alum or "school x Guy" as President, AD, and HC is fine for a school like UGA, but bad for us?

Typically is a bad situation.
11-18-2019, 12:24 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Count me in as interested in Hud. With a good staff, I think he would do well here. We would play to our traditional strengths, he would recruit well and I think he would do a good job getting fan support and buy in.

For those that say we would not bring him in because he had some NCAA issues, guess what? King Jackie had similar issues and that worked out just fine. Hud was help accountable for Saunders, and he should have been. He paid the price for it and moved on and is once again proving himself.

He's the most realistic candidate I see that would come here (his dream job in fact) that checks off the majority of the boxes we are looking for. Just makes sense to me.

I wouldn't say under Jackie everything worked out just fine. We were put on probation twice and were possibly "forced" to hire Croom. Jackie's problems resulted in horribly bad years from 2001-2008 except 2007.

Having said that, I like Hud and don't think the NCAA would be after him like they were after Jackie Sherrill. I don't want to fire Moorhead for just anyone, but I'd be for replacing Moorhead with Hudspeth.
11-18-2019, 12:28 PM
trojandawg

i like hud. i'm not sure we would, but i wouldn't hate the hire either. there were a lot of people screaming no about freeze going to ole miss and O to lsu. sometimes the right fit may not seem like the homerun hire, but finding the right fit is more important sometimes.
11-18-2019, 12:32 PM
ScottH

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Typically is a bad situation.

I don't think that scenario is bad in of itself if they are capable.

What's bad would be an entire athletic department that is MSU bred yes people.

In any type of organization, hire the right person don't hire just because of their allegiance.
11-18-2019, 12:52 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Where have I said I’m against Napier? Hell, at this point give me Norvell.

Sorry, you said you didn't have a "major problem" with him and that he was "middle of the pack" for you. What I'm asking is what realistic candidates would be top of the pack for you? Not a flame, genuinely curious sine you tend to say "no" or are luke warm to the common names thrown around here.
11-18-2019, 01:15 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Sorry, you said you didn't have a "major problem" with him and that he was "middle of the pack" for you. What I'm asking is what realistic candidates would be top of the pack for you? Not a flame, genuinely curious sine you tend to say "no" or are luke warm to the common names thrown around here.

Depends on who is available. Right now, I don’t have a favorite. But I’m opening up to way more than my initial take on it.
I’m just ready for a different direction.
11-18-2019, 01:56 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

I wouldn't say under Jackie everything worked out just fine. We were put on probation twice and were possibly "forced" to hire Croom. Jackie's problems resulted in horribly bad years from 2001-2008 except 2007.

Having said that, I like Hud and don't think the NCAA would be after him like they were after Jackie Sherrill. I don't want to fire Moorhead for just anyone, but I'd be for replacing Moorhead with Hudspeth.

Certainly had some downs with Jackie, but overall he turned the perception around of what can be done here. That was the main point. Overall my good Jackie memories outweigh the bad ones.
11-18-2019, 01:56 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Typically is a bad situation.

Ed Orgeron got the job there after Tom Herman took the Texas job. That worked out well for them. Freeze was an Ole Miss guy at least to a degree. Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. Spurrier at Florida. Houston Nutt at Arkansas. I’d say it works out more times than not.
11-18-2019, 01:57 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by ScottH

I don't think that scenario is bad in of itself if they are capable.

What's bad would be an entire athletic department that is MSU bred yes people.

In any type of organization, hire the right person don't hire just because of their allegiance.

This all day.
11-18-2019, 02:13 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

My first three choices to replace mullen were. Matt Campbell. Neal Brown and Dave Clawson. They were reasonable options with possibly the exception of Campbell at the time. If we can?t get these 3 I would take Huds. Not sold on Norvell or Napier but would rather have Napier or the two. I think they might both be flash in the pan types

Neal Brown would have been a good choice, but I don't think Cohen gave him a passing thought. He was too sold on a northern coach. I note Brown's West Virginia team beat Kansas State last week at Kansas State. I don't think we played too well against Kansas State this year.
11-18-2019, 02:18 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

Neal Brown would have been a good choice, but I don't think Cohen gave him a passing thought. He was too sold on a northern coach. I note Brown's West Virginia team beat Kansas State last week at Kansas State. I don't think we played too well against Kansas State this year.

What shape was West Virginia when Brown took over? Holgerson won 8 games the year before and seemed to win consistently there. They are 4-6 on the year this year so it seems like a down year for them.
11-18-2019, 02:32 PM
Cooterpoot

I predict Neal Brown will be fired at WV in the next couple years.
11-18-2019, 02:35 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ed Orgeron got the job there after Tom Herman took the Texas job. That worked out well for them. Freeze was an Ole Miss guy at least to a degree. Phil Fulmer at Tennessee. Spurrier at Florida. Houston Nutt at Arkansas. I’d say it works out more times than not.

I’m talking the whole bunch, not simply a coach. We’ve already seen one power play to get our AD in place. So we know there are issues already. Too many people with their hands on things is a lot easier when you’ve got nothing but State people in place. Only way we hire Hud is another play or everyone telling us no.
11-18-2019, 02:36 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

What shape was West Virginia when Brown took over? Holgerson won 8 games the year before and seemed to win consistently there. They are 4-6 on the year this year so it seems like a down year for them.

They were in bad shape. Lost a ton from 2018.
11-18-2019, 02:37 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I’m talking the whole bunch, not simply a coach. We’ve already seen one power play to get our AD in place. So we know there are issues already. Too many people with their hands on things is a lot easier when you’ve got nothing but State people in place. Only way we hire Hud is another play or everyone telling us no.

And the thing is, Hud >>>>>>Moorhead year 3. If your worst case scenario is still better than what you have then do the damn thing.
11-18-2019, 02:42 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

They were in bad shape. Lost a ton from 2018.

They have one losing record (4-8) in the last 15 years, their 2nd year in the Big 12. That was 6 years ago. They have pretty much won 7 or 8 games almost every year and seem to almost always lose the bowl game. It will be interesting how much leeway Brown has there. They are very similar to us but I doubt Brown took over a loaded roster like Moorhead had in his first year.
11-18-2019, 03:18 PM
PGHBulldogBG

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

They have one losing record (4-8) in the last 15 years, their 2nd year in the Big 12. That was 6 years ago. They have pretty much won 7 or 8 games almost every year and seem to almost always lose the bowl game. It will be interesting how much leeway Brown has there. They are very similar to us but I doubt Brown took over a loaded roster like Moorhead had in his first year.

It is not a similar situation at all. The cupboard was completely bare and Brown taking what he had to be 4-6 is solid. They are also getting better as the year has gone on. I follow WVU fairly closely as I live near Morgantown. Their feeling on Brown is similar to us with Mullen in 2009. Brown should?ve been our first look because he would?ve been a realistic hire and has southern ties. FPI had them projected 2-10 the situation was that bad
11-18-2019, 03:53 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

It is not a similar situation at all. The cupboard was completely bare and Brown taking what he had to be 4-6 is solid. They are also getting better as the year has gone on. I follow WVU fairly closely as I live near Morgantown. Their feeling on Brown is similar to us with Mullen in 2009. Brown should?ve been our first look because he would?ve been a realistic hire and has southern ties. FPI had them projected 2-10 the situation was that bad

I agree. Certainly preferable to the Yankee we hired.
11-18-2019, 04:22 PM
Dawgology

If we hite Hud he will make us an annual 8-9 win team with an occassional shot at the SEC champ. We would be foolish not to hire him...so we probably won't.
11-18-2019, 04:22 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Hud is a lot like Cohen. A hot head that thinks he knows everything. People have tried to help him and he refuses that help.

What is your deal with Hud? You keep referencing stuff like this and saying you don't want him back after his previous stints at MSU. WHy not just come out and say what you know if you know something?
11-18-2019, 04:23 PM
Scared_Hitless

I would take Hud anyday of the week. I want MSU to be tough and competitive he would bring that. Also he would bring stability

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