You mean like It's Moorhead's fault that the WR situation was shit when he got here? Is that party line or Truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
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You mean like It's Moorhead's fault that the WR situation was shit when he got here? Is that party line or Truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
promoted? I think you meant exposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
The Boneyard has become really bad. I tried to listen to him yesterday, but it was just him ranting about the SEC officials Twitter account for half the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
No. I don't. I mean promoted. If you say it long enough, in coaching, eventually it will be true. Like I said. "Mullen is not going to UF...fact"...oopsQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
or like he said in camp this offensive line was one the best we would have and tommy would turn this offense around. Now, it's Moorhead is fine and isn't interested in Rutgers. Moorhead's offense is improving. The QB situtation was one the best it's been, but that's about to go to shit. The defense was the best it's ever been last year which he wasted. the running back room was pretty full and very talented which has seemed to waste between last year and this year combined. but yeah let's continue to blame Mullen for what Mullen left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
It was a straight forward question. I will ask again.Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
Is it Moorhead's fault that the WR situation was shit when he got here? Is that party line or Truth?
that is relative and really up to each person's own opinion. it really depends on how the receivers are used. It's not straight forward like you think. Used in a Dan Mullen style of offense they were perfect for that. Used in a Moorhead i want to chunk it for 50/50 balls they aren't the best in down field catches. When used in the run game and in the short to intermediate passing game they can be pretty effective.
Rosebowl you were the one saying we were going to see a major jump in the receivers this year with the addition of Zuber and Payton and Stevens throwing the ball. The Moorhead faithful blamed Fitz for the passing game last year. now it's blame the receivers. you that still worship Moorhead always find something to blame rather than him.
?Scarlet Nation has learned that there is mutual interest between Rutgers and MSU Head Coach Joe Moorehead.? He went on to say that this is something that has been brewing for several weeks. Also said that his source told him that several current coaches on MSU?s staff are already looking for a landing spot for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
Did the Facebook bullies hold him down and cut those locks off his head, Samson style?***
I think Joe believes that if he keeps telling himself that his O will work against an SEC defense that it'll eventually be true.
Rosebowl has good info on certain recruits. Outside that he knows no more than the rest of us. When questioned on the suspensions back in July he claimed BS. A few of us said it was coming. He says BS. then a couple of days before he acts like he knew it all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
And when it comes to recognizing what he sees on the field or court, he has the knowledge of the average fan.
I said K. state would be a tough game, that Auburn would blow us out, and Tennessee would beat us. He disagreed and was wrong each time.
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Whoaaaaaa- I thought Fitz couldnt pass? When are you guys going to get on the same page?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
Bingo. They swap their excuses and keep changing their narrative rather than admit what the problem is. Jo. Mainly 007.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Really?? Because I saw the constant bitching for 3 years that they could not get separation, run routes, nor catch. ALL under the Mullen years. Please don't Make me bump the threads. I will link this one. https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...=can%27t+catch As you can see. The same names doing the same thing.Quote:
that is relative and really up to each person's own opinion. it really depends on how the receivers are used. It's not straight forward like you think. Used in a Dan Mullen style of offense they were perfect for that.
- Homedawg. "Fitz can't throw"... Now Fitz was GOD LIKE
- MSStae7. "In his defense, Ross couldn't hold on to a td. "
- Bothrops.. "Our receivers wore piss yellow jerseys all night."
In that thread... These same people got a rumor started about Fitz and watch the comment:
- Can we please stop posting the rumor about Fitz. OM fans are repeating it now.
In 2015.... One Popular poster here posted "I'm Done with Dan Mullen" called his play calling crap...etc etc.
You can stop with the childish shit. You should know by now it doesn't work with me. We did see a major BUMP. We went froma QB who was 52%, 54%, 51% to a QB who was throwing for 72% before he got injured. Injuries happen and nobody can blame that on Moorhead. Only a person who is looking for issues can dishonestly find an issue with 72% and turn it around on a coach for an injury he nor the QB could control.Quote:
Rosebowl you were the one saying we were going to see a major jump in the receivers this year with the addition of Zuber and Payton and Stevens throwing the ball.
And the ED FAITHFUL blamed him in the Mullen years. I just showed you that in one thread. Like I stated.. PLEASE DON'T make me bump all of the threads to prove it. Just be honest. We had a poor passing game with subpar WRS. It's WHY Mullen could not recruit them. Again.. More than willing to bump the threads.Quote:
The Moorhead faithful blamed Fitz for the passing game last year.
No.. I blame him for what he is to be blamed for. Not everything because I am pitching a temper tantrum.Quote:
you that still worship Moorhead always find something to blame rather than him.
LOL... Per them 7 hours ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Literally 7 hours ago........Quote:
At this point, Moorhead is not on the hot seat
To add more: And this is golden because the writer is saying something Fleck NEVER stated:
The Schiano interest is there
What was that plea that Fleck made towards Schiano???Quote:
While Schiano has not come out and publicly made any case for or against the Rutgers job, there was a compelling plea made by his former pupil P.J. Fleck this past weekend in Piscataway.
LMAO!!!!!!!!! You keep believing man. Fleck's testimony PRAISE JESUS is a strong INDICATOR of Schiano's intentions!Quote:
“I will say is he's one of the best coaches I've ever seen,” Fleck said after beating up on Rutgers’ 42-7. “He's the greatest coaching influence of my life. I came to him a boy and left as a man. I learned more college football, I learned more business, I learned more how to treat people, I learned more X's and O's, I learned more discipline I learned more work ethic from that man than I ever had learned from anybody in my entire life. And I owe my entire coaching career to him.”
Fleck’s testimony is a strong indicator of Schiano’s intentions in regard to a possible return to Rutgers. It seemed as though Fleck made it a point to make his case for Schiano as that prior statement was just part of his praise for Schiano.
Link to His words:Quote:
Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
Whoaaaaaa- I thought Fitz couldnt pass? When are you guys going to get on the same page?
Bingo. They swap their excuses and keep changing their narrative rather than admit what the problem is. Jo. Mainly 007.
First... on attendance in 2017:
1. Complain about the attendance all you want. Our school is located in a small populated corner of the state and people have to drive 2, 3, and 4 hours to get to games.
Second on our WRs from 2017:
[5. You absolutely see our lack of WR play without Mixon, Myles, and Gray on the field. A below average group becomes just bad. It's amazing to me that we can play a UMass and they have a WR better than anybody we got. Our WR recruiting is simply atrocious.
Now to Fitz:
Nick was Nick in the passing game as usual- 12/23- 150 yards.
Fitz is completing 53% of his passes and throwing for 156/game so far this season. 8 TD's and 5 picks. Some people suggested he could be a little better this year but his stats take a step back due to new guys on the OL and our decline at WR. This is certainly the case so far.
DO I need to continue?
SO nobody is swapping anything. What is happening is the same people do the same thing EACH and EVERY year no matter who is here coaching or playing. However, you can't have it both ways...
- Either Fitz could not throw it, or he could. His career under 2 coaches says no. He was not a good passer. But because the same circle needs to blame somebody for something... They change their narrative and ignore their own past to have a purpose.
- Either Mullen's recruiting of WRs sucked as C34 stated and many agreed, or it didn't. It can't be both.
- Either we got the results we needed from the WRS or we didn't. Which is? According to the same people, we did not.
- Either Moorhead is still using Mullen's WRs or he is NOT. It's still the rotation. However, we have seen improvement from them. Again.. Injuries happen and nobody.... ESPECIALLY this group of people have a leg to stand on with that nor the current Roster.
Look dude, stop changing th e narrative cause your guy sucks. 11-1. You said we had plenty of talent. Then it was we are stupid if we don't play the suspended against aub and LSU, they are winnable. Yeah so winnable we could have had the 85 bears defense and lost. (Oh we had that last year,forgot) Then we do the right thing and play them against UT, which we should and jomo shit the bed and we lost. Just give up. You more stupid w each post. And that's tough.
Ok Steve.
Like I said. You can continue to post me pulling for my team. I have always stated.. I will always pull for my team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Now own your own words. You and the same people have stated the same things over and over and expect it to be fixed in 1 year. It's BS.
"Fitz can't throw" Your words.. then all of the sudden... It's Moorhead's fault he can't throw. And had he benched him, you would have thrown a fit about that too.
Moorhead isn't going anywhere. Deal with it
What is irrelevant to last year is Fitzs ability to throw.
This is such a made up and ridiculous narrative that 007 uses to excuse JoMo and blame our players. By the way, way to throw our players completely under the bus to cover for JoMos ineptness last year.
Regardless, we could have literally run every play and beat Florida and Kentucky easily. 10 wins was the minimum last year with all that talent.
Total failure.
If you can’t throw and the WRs “suck” then why the hell would you run 3 WRs on the field all game?
It’s a pretty simple concept. Adapt to the personnel.
The OL sucks at the “are we pass blocking or run blocking” so instead why not call plays and not audible because of a look. As film has gotten out we can’t run at all because our line is not able to just go down hill on run plays.
Defenses come out in a look and then audible immediately when we audible because they know what we are changing to. Why not cut out the audibling?
These are the main issues with the team that even with all 5*s we would have struggles with. These are all coaching deficiencies.
Seriously ask. If the WRs suck and the QB can’t throw and the OL is not good at pass pro... why would you run 3 wide and attempt to pass most of the game? Why not go 2, 1, or 0 WR and run North-South?
Oh no.. I'm not throwing them under the bus. YOU did. I'm pointing out what you and the others stated. What's wrong? Not helping your cause?Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Again.. the facts:
- Mullen left gaps. Period.
- Mullen did not develo nor recruit WRs well. As everyone agreed.
- As everyone stated, Fitz was not a passer. That's under both Mullen and Moorhead.
- Moorhead recruited to correct those issues. 2 Qbs in
- Moorhead can't help the injury to a QB completing 72% of his passes and throw a great deep ball. NFL scouts even talked about it.
- Moorhead is recruiting more WRs and higher rated than Mullen while coaching up the Wrs on the roster. Case in Point, Mitchell. Even Guidry's blocking and catching is better. But again, nobody could predict an injury.
Sorry you don't like it, but we are all going to go through it just like the roller coaster years of Mullen. Maybe Moorhead can get that stopped too. Wouldn't it be great to be a consistent 9-4ish team.
Here’s a math lesson for you
85 scholarships. 1 Kicker. 1 Punter. 83.
QB- to have one at every class. 79
HB- need at least 5 here. 74
TE- 2 could see the field so probably need 6 here. 68
OL- just having 5 for each class. 48
WR- 3 starters so let’s go with 12. 36
DL- 4 spots so 16. 20
3 LB- 12 here. 8
2 CB- 8 more. 0
2 S- 8 more. -8
STAR- 4 more. -12
Waste a spot on an inelligible punter and a transfer tackle that won’t see the field. -14
You have 14 gaps by your measure (basically complaining there isn’t a junior backup but rather sophomore backup at certain positions.) How do you spread them out? Oh and we have 2 punters and 2 kickers btw. So make that -16.
It is his job to do what he was hired to do. Period. His offense. And he went out and got a QB that could run it. And before injury, he ran it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Do I now need to quote the same group that stated the OL sucked in 2017 and recruiting of it sucked? 2 things are for certain. Moorhead got Johnson and he got Cross. Cross would NOT be here if Mullen had stayed. That's a fact. A kid from WP isn't here because of the Mullen crew.Quote:
The OL sucks at the “are we pass blocking or run blocking” so instead why not call plays and not audible because of a look. As film has gotten out we can’t run at all because our line is not able to just go down hill on run plays.
Interesting that every position you have complained about, Moorhead seems to be addressing.
Every friggin team adjusts to audibles sir. EVERYBODY including Ms St.Quote:
Defenses come out in a look and then audible immediately when we audible because they know what we are changing to. Why not cut out the audibling?
Serious Answer. We are not talking about the same years. You are talking about 2018. You put you offense in and recruit for it. Mullen did it. Moorhead is doing it. And because we put the system in, the WRs were able to produce before Stevens was injured. Now a true freshman is starting and he is not as experienced as Stevens. He's not seeing everything yet... but he will.Quote:
Seriously ask. If the WRs suck and the QB can’t throw and the OL is not good at pass pro... why would you run 3 wide and attempt to pass most of the game? Why not go 2, 1, or 0 WR and run North-South?
Had he not put in his offense, then the WRs would not have had the improvement that they have had. So if not then? WHEN. He was hired for his offense.
- Fitz had 1767 yards in 2018 through 13 games. He had almost the EXACT same in 2017 under Mullen 1782
VS
- Moorhead's QBs already have 1,343 yards and we have 6 games left.
So yes, the passing game is better and it will continue to come together.
In Mullen's last season.... we had not one single WR with 30 catches. With 6 games left, we have one that is 6 catches from that.
That's called improvement by a coaching staff.
Lastly, if we don't throw...... we are not running.
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Originally Posted by dantheman4248
LMAO!!!! Holy cow. Not even going there... sweet jesus
Blah blah...you still haven?t posted where anyone but Rosie denied the Rutgers rumorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
I'm with you 007. Joe should have a winning record in 2026
This is bullshit. Moorhead is an offensive guru (allegedly). He could have used his running game much more effectively than he did. He could have been much more creative. All he had to do was be mediocre on offense last year and we would?ve won 11 games, but the guru couldn?t even manage that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
They say the good coaches can take his guys and beat yours, and he take take your guys and beat his. That?s not Joe Moorhead. The more you defend him, the dumber you look.
How did Shrader get here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
In other words, I have no rebuttal. And I never said moorhead would be gone before next year. What I did say, to say there is zero chance he gets fired this year is just dead wrong. 4-8 and he's gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
007 you are so full of crap!!!!!!
Double Naught is a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckdog
Excellent post, I must admit. Agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Bo Bounds and Chuck Mullins were talking about this on OOB. The NFL teams down starting QBs ARE NOT trying to turn backup QBs into the starters they replaced. The head coach is looking for what the backup brings to the table, what are his strengths and gearing the offense around that. Sean Payton is not calling plays like Teddy is Drew. The Steelers have completely revamped their offense to fit the backup b/c he's not Big Ben, not close.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Yet Joe the Offensive Guru can't see what each player has on offense: what is their strength, what they do well, Am I asking them to do too much?. It's his overly complicated offense or nothing. Sometimes it's best to just line up and run the ball like a bunch of pissed off m'fers.
If the choice is both of them or neither of them, sign me up for neitherQuote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
Has to be, there's no other explanation. He's dragging the board down with him...not very fun to read anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Yep. Shrader's a good dude, talented AF. But if it means we keep Joe to have him then I think Shrader would kill it at Rutgers. The next coach needs to play to the strengths of the QBs we have left. They're not shitty QBs. They're the victims of Moorhead's calculus equation he calls an offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This is correct. We can’t mortgage our football team for one player. That is incredibly short sighted to do so. The other thing is it’s probably moot because odds are high that he would stay with a new head coach anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Shrader is also from North Carolina who likes to hunt and fish. You would have to wonder if he would follow Moorhead to New Jersey. It would depend on if a new coach could sell him on the offense. He would also have to sit for a year at Rutgers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State