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08-31-2016, 12:16 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

One name I haven't seen mentioned all camp long is Osiris Mitchell. I knew Todd was a stud, but what about Mitchell?

I think everybody just knew he was going to RS so his name doesn't get brought up much. He's had his moments but needed the RS year to develop & get stronger.
08-31-2016, 01:22 PM
Bodawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think everybody just knew he was going to RS so his name doesn't get brought up much. He's had his moments but needed the RS year to develop & get stronger.

Yea, 6' 4", 190 lbs. Needs some work in the weight room. Washington came in at 185. Now, after redshirt, he's listed at 225.
08-31-2016, 03:15 PM
MaroonFlounder

Defense better be good this year, because we will not be near the top of the conference offensively.
08-31-2016, 03:30 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not thrilled with our oline, but let's take a look at some stats...

Total offense in sec --

'15 -- 3rd
'14 -- 1st

'15 -- 10th
'14 -- 12th

Seems like our biggest problem has been defense. You hardly ever hear the bitching about any group of our defense that you do about our oline, despite the fact our oline has been serviceable enough to give us a very good offense

Are those SEC game only stats or stats from all games?
08-31-2016, 03:53 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

Defense better be good this year, because we will not be near the top of the conference offensively.

Not one real game snap yet and we all Woody McCorvey. Hold on Hoss. We got the tools and if the OL is improved we'll do better than you think.
08-31-2016, 04:04 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Are those SEC game only stats or stats from all games?

All games. Here's conference only rankings....

'15 offense -- #2
'14 offense -- #2

'15 defense -- #12
'14 defense -- #9
08-31-2016, 04:25 PM
grinnindawg

Don't be bringing your facts up in here.

These folks needed a head on a pike for us not winning the SEC last year.

They've chosen Hevesy as the evil villain that's obviously the cause of all our woes.
08-31-2016, 04:47 PM
I seen it dawg

Well he damn sure ain't a stud
08-31-2016, 05:03 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by grinnindawg

Don't be bringing your facts up in here.

These folks needed a head on a pike for us not winning the SEC last year.

They've chosen Hevesy as the evil villain that's obviously the cause of all our woes.

I didn't post this to say hev is blameless or that the defense is to blame. I was just saying the oline hasn't been the only weak link on our team
08-31-2016, 05:16 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by grinnindawg

Don't be bringing your facts up in here.

These folks needed a head on a pike for us not winning the SEC last year.

They've chosen Hevesy as the evil villain that's obviously the cause of all our woes.

And you don't be bringing all that logic to this message board either!
08-31-2016, 05:35 PM
basedog

I'd like to know if Fitz showed leadership? I have a friend who thinks he is not and players don't like him.

Wish someone would comment about this as I don't believe he is a problem. His problem is he hasn't played QB very long.
08-31-2016, 05:42 PM
tireddawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not thrilled with our oline, but let's take a look at some stats...

Total offense in sec --

'15 -- 3rd
'14 -- 1st

'15 -- 10th
'14 -- 12th

Seems like our biggest problem has been defense. You hardly ever hear the bitching about any group of our defense that you do about our oline, despite the fact our oline has been serviceable enough to give us a very good offense

Dak
08-31-2016, 05:52 PM
Joe Schmedlap

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Originally Posted by grinnindawg

Don't be bringing your facts up in here.

These folks needed a head on a pike for us not winning the SEC last year.

They've chosen Hevesy as the evil villain that's obviously the cause of all our woes.

Riddle me this: is there a weaker link in the program than Hevesey?
08-31-2016, 06:04 PM
grinnindawg

I have no idea of his value or lack there of to the program.
Unless you work for the FB team, it's unlikely you really know either.
I've worked with folks who seem worse than worthless. Then I visit a customer with them and realize how useful they are.
All I know about Hevesy is hearsay.

Yes I think there are likely weaker links.
That's the point of noting we were 2nd in offense in the SEC in SEC games last year.

Here's a few things I'd say are "weaker links":
Dan getting tighter than Dick's hat band for games he doesn't think we are going to win. (Dak too).
Playing time being based more on seniority than it needs to be.
The offensive staff deciding to block Bama & OM defensive front with 5. Over and over again.
Last year, I'd say the defense.

The last 2 years of offense have been incredible by State's standards.
To not give any credit to the OL coach over those 2 years is stupid.

When over and over you denigrate someone it's like an echo chamber.
As I said, he's the mean old coach that the recruits don't like so everything must be his fault.
08-31-2016, 06:09 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Joe Schmedlap

Riddle me this: is there a weaker link in the program than Hevesey?

Maybe, maybe not, but I think CB could more of a problem than oline this year. Is that hev's fault too?
08-31-2016, 06:43 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by grinnindawg

Don't be bringing your facts up in here.

These folks needed a head on a pike for us not winning the SEC last year.

They've chosen Hevesy as the evil villain that's obviously the cause of all our woes.

Here are some more facts:

We were 6th in Scoring for SEC-only- with a schedule that included playing the 13th, 12th, 11th, and 10th worst defenses in the SEC

Against Bama, LSU, A&M, and OM- we scored 6, 19, 17, and 27- 17.5 per game. That doesnt cut it in big games. Not in today's football
08-31-2016, 07:08 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Here are some more facts:

We were 6th in Scoring for SEC-only- with a schedule that included playing the 13th, 12th, 11th, and 10th worst defenses in the SEC

Against Bama, LSU, A&M, and OM- we scored 6, 19, 17, and 27- 17.5 per game. That doesnt cut it in big games. Not in today's football

We also played the top 2 scoring defenses in the sec. We didn't score against bama, but gained 393 yards which is over 100 yards more than they allowed per game. Got to score though... I get that.

Against the 2nd best scoring defense in the sec, we scored 31 against mizzou.

Vs aTm, we had 2 costly fumbles that hurt us. We had over 400 yards of offense, but gave up over 500

Without Dak, we would've gotten killed by lsu and om last year, but he really let us down a few plays vs them that hurt us. Please don't take this as me blaming Dak bc we would've had no shot without him.
08-31-2016, 07:26 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Here are some more facts:

We were 6th in Scoring for SEC-only- with a schedule that included playing the 13th, 12th, 11th, and 10th worst defenses in the SEC

Against Bama, LSU, A&M, and OM- we scored 6, 19, 17, and 27- 17.5 per game. That doesnt cut it in big games. Not in today's football

Wait a minute now. Those bad defense in the SEC that we played, everybody in the west played similar numbers. The bottom half of the league in scoring defense was LSU, MS ST, UNM, Kentucky, Auburn, AR, and So Car. Crap man everybody in the west was guaranteed to play at least 3 if not more bottom defenses in scoring average.

I'm also sure that those scoring defensive numbers in conference only games have nothing to do with the fact 5 of the top 6 scoring offenses in SEC only games just so happened to be from the SEC West. I'm sure that has no coorelation to the defensive numbers at all. Good grief.
08-31-2016, 07:30 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We also played the top 2 scoring defenses in the sec. We didn't score against bama, but gained 393 yards which is over 100 yards more than they allowed per game. Got to score though... I get that.

Against the 2nd best scoring defense in the sec, we scored 31 against mizzou.

Vs aTm, we had 2 costly fumbles that hurt us. We had over 400 yards of offense, but gave up over 500

Without Dak, we would've gotten killed by lsu and om last year, but he really let us down a few plays vs them that hurt us. Please don't take this as me blaming Dak bc we would've had no shot without him.

We've struggled to score in big SEC games under Mullen. That cant be denied.
08-31-2016, 07:34 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

We've struggled to score in big SEC games under Mullen. That cant be denied.

It certainly can't... We have to do better
08-31-2016, 07:36 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Here are some more facts:

We were 6th in Scoring for SEC-only- with a schedule that included playing the 13th, 12th, 11th, and 10th worst defenses in the SEC

Against Bama, LSU, A&M, and OM- we scored 6, 19, 17, and 27- 17.5 per game. That doesnt cut it in big games. Not in today's football

Here's the other fact- we struggled against those defenses last year with a NFL caliber starting QB starting for us.
08-31-2016, 07:38 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

Defense better be good this year, because we will not be near the top of the conference offensively.

Maybe so, maybe not, have you seen any practices?
08-31-2016, 07:38 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by grinnindawg

I have no idea of his value or lack there of to the program.
Unless you work for the FB team, it's unlikely you really know either.
I've worked with folks who seem worse than worthless. Then I visit a customer with them and realize how useful they are.
All I know about Hevesy is hearsay.

Yes I think there are likely weaker links.
That's the point of noting we were 2nd in offense in the SEC in SEC games last year.

Here's a few things I'd say are "weaker links":
Dan getting tighter than Dick's hat band for games he doesn't think we are going to win. (Dak too).
Playing time being based more on seniority than it needs to be.
The offensive staff deciding to block Bama & OM defensive front with 5. Over and over again.
Last year, I'd say the defense.

The last 2 years of offense have been incredible by State's standards.
To not give any credit to the OL coach over those 2 years is stupid.

When over and over you denigrate someone it's like an echo chamber.
As I said, he's the mean old coach that the recruits don't like so everything must be his fault.

I disagree about Hevesy because he is a huge albatross. That said I agree with the rest of your post and it was solid even though I disagree about Hevesy.
08-31-2016, 07:48 PM
grinnindawg

We do.
My hope is whoever the QB is plays loose.
A little more Stabler/Favre than Peyton/Rivers.

I'd like a QB who is a counterpoint to Dan's nervousness in big games.

That or we need to install a beer fridge in the locker room.
Take 2 before big games.
08-31-2016, 07:59 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I didn't post this to say hev is blameless or that the defense is to blame. I was just saying the oline hasn't been the only weak link on our team

You are right. Oline hasn't been the only weak link. The difference is that the weak links get processed on the other side of the ball, but the weak links on offense get a pass (or Hev does anyway).
08-31-2016, 08:05 PM
chef dixon

Mullen has proven himself to be one of the best offensive minds in college football. That can't be denied based on his track record and how he's transformed MSU into uncharted offensive territory. There is no doubt though that we haven't had the studs on the O-line to compete with the big boys consistently.
08-31-2016, 08:11 PM
munk_munk92

I believe that's the difference between us and the team up north. They play loose and relaxed in the big games when we don't. If we would just let it go, the guys may pull a few of them games off.
08-31-2016, 08:19 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by munk_munk92

I believe that's the difference between us and the team up north. They play loose and relaxed in the big games when we don't. If we would just let it go, the guys may pull a few of them games off.

Are you suggesting our team get high before games?**

I just don?t want someone to fall out of a window.
08-31-2016, 08:22 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Mullen has proven himself to be one of the best offensive minds in college football. That can't be denied based on his track record and how he's transformed MSU into uncharted offensive territory. There is no doubt though that we haven't had the studs on the O-line to compete with the big boys consistently.

I'm not shorting Mullen- because he does have a good offensive mind- but every team in college football except LSU is in uncharted offensive territory. We are in the Offensive Age of Football

In 2008- Only 5 SEC teams averaged 23 or more PPG
IN 2015- 11 teams averaged 23 or more points

In 2008- 6 teams averaged 350 yard per game or more
In 2015- 11 teams did

Its a new age and every school is setting offensive records- not just us
08-31-2016, 08:26 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you suggesting our team get high before games?**

I just don?t want someone to fall out of a window.

Na. Just maybe pass out some "special" brownies to Hev. Especially on recruiting trips. You know he won't pass up eating some brownies while riding around.
08-31-2016, 08:28 PM
MaroonFlounder

O-line is way more of a concern than CB. The pressure by our DL and LBs will help the corners.
08-31-2016, 09:27 PM
Reason2succeed

Can the mods start a Hevesy bashing forum so the rest of us don't have to see it every single day? We get it. You think he sucks and needs to be fired. Next!
09-01-2016, 06:27 AM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Can the mods start a Hevesy bashing forum so the rest of us don't have to see it every single day? We get it. You think he sucks and needs to be fired. Next!

I like it.
09-01-2016, 07:25 AM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by Joe Schmedlap

Riddle me this: is there a weaker link in the program than Hevesey?

Not according to Mullen.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Can the mods start a Hevesy bashing forum so the rest of us don't have to see it every single day? We get it. You think he sucks and needs to be fired. Next!

Or a suggestion box to be sent to Mullen. I'm sure he will be more than happy to take note of all the suggestions. ;)
09-01-2016, 08:11 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Can the mods start a Hevesy bashing forum so the rest of us don't have to see it every single day? We get it. You think he sucks and needs to be fired. Next!

This is a great idea!
09-01-2016, 08:22 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Can the mods start a Hevesy bashing forum so the rest of us don't have to see it every single day? We get it. You think he sucks and needs to be fired. Next!

Convert it to a Cohen bunt bashing forum for baseball season, and it may be the most popular forum on the interwebs.
09-01-2016, 08:59 AM
the59dawg

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Originally Posted by munk_munk92

I believe that's the difference between us and the team up north. They play loose and relaxed in the big games when we don't. If we would just let it go, the guys may pull a few of them games off.

Yep. All one needs to see is the pregame behavior of the rebs for last yrs egg bowl compared to ours. I could sense it would not be a good day for the Dawgs. Rebs were more than loose. Made me sick to see all their dancing and prancing. They were loose!

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