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08-16-2016, 07:44 AM
Oleo

We need to have our team identity centered around Defense. The offnse can find itself as the season progresses but we better come out fighting on Defense. LSU can be beat with defense more than any other team and a victory there would be huge.
08-16-2016, 07:46 AM
FISHDAWG

like I have said before ... 7 & 5 with a loss to Auburn in Starkville .... payoff comes the following season
08-16-2016, 07:47 AM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave. I think it's a sign that he was being left behind and Tiano is pushing everyone for the starting spot.

The only QB we have that runs like a deer is Nicky Fitz. Not sure about Tiano but Fitz is an NFL level TE from an athleticism standpoint.
08-16-2016, 07:48 AM
CadaverDawg

Here's my reasoning on this...

First off, I like Holloway & Shumpert. They can't control their size & speed, and both work extremely hard.

That being said, I'm all about MSU winning games and maximizing productivity every game. Holloway doesn't run a 4.4 forty...we have guys that are 6 feet tall that are almost or equally as fast as him, yet have 25+ more pounds of muscle/weight. So if you're going to sniff the field in good SEC play at 5'6 170, you better be the fastest guy on the field....Holloway is not.

Also, in order for teams not to always guard only the outside or the pass against Holloway, we have to run him up the middle multiple times per game so teams respect that he might. So we completely waste multiple snaps per game on Holloway up the middle when we know it's just for show. Think about that.

If we have very highly rated and regarded RB's on our depth chart with similar speed, yet much bigger builds for running in all lanes, breaking tackles, and actually being able to stop a pass rusher in pass blocking....why would you not get them ready and get them in games immediately so they can give us what we need against those good SEC teams? Why continue wasting snaps on a guy that isn't capable of getting you a tough few yards, can't fall forward, can't break a tackle, and on top of that can't outrun many if any corners in this league?

There is a place for Brandon....but feature back on a SEC West team that is admittedly going more heavy to the ground game in 2016, is NOT that place.

Also, there is absolutely no excuse for not being able to teach a guy our plays and how to pass block in 2 years. Our running game ain't that damn good or complicated. There are freshmen RB's playing all over the country, yet we sign a 4 star that chose us over Bama, and he's once again not going to get major touches bc of lame excuses, his age, and bc we have a veteran that has good games against all the teams we would beat regardless and/or in garbage time vs any teams that could win us the league we're in.

I guess I'm just one of those guys that has dreams of us winning the SEC or at least maximizing our wins....instead of just being happy with winning the ones we should while beefing up our yards per carry against USM or while down 20 to Bama and running the ball. If anybody can honestly say that Holloway or Shumpert can be the tailback that helps us beat LSU, Bama, or Ole Miss in Oxford this year, then you see something I don't. Otherwise, we have different goals in mind for what we want MSU to accomplish.
08-16-2016, 07:54 AM
starkvegasdawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Here's my reasoning on this...

First off, I like Holloway & Shumpert. They can't control their size & speed, and both work extremely hard.

That being said, I'm all about MSU winning games and maximizing productivity every game. Holloway doesn't run a 4.4 forty...we have guys that are 6 feet tall that are almost or equally as fast as him, yet have 25+ more pounds of muscle/weight. So if you're going to sniff the field in good SEC play at 5'6 170, you better be the fastest guy on the field....Holloway is not.

Also, in order for teams not to always guard only the outside or the pass against Holloway, we have to run him up the middle multiple times per game so teams respect that he might. So we completely waste multiple snaps per game on Holloway up the middle when we know it's just for show. Think about that.

If we have very highly rated and regarded RB's on our depth chart with similar speed, yet much bigger builds for running in all lanes, breaking tackles, and actually being able to stop a pass rusher in pass blocking....why would you not get them ready and get them in games immediately so they can give us what we need against those good SEC teams? Why continue wasting snaps on a guy that isn't capable of getting you a tough few yards, can't fall forward, can't break a tackle, and on top of that can't outrun many if any corners in this league?

There is a place for Brandon....but feature back on a SEC West team that is admittedly going more heavy to the ground game in 2016, is NOT that place.

Also, there is absolutely no excuse for not being able to teach a guy our plays and how to pass block in 2 years. Our running game ain't that damn good or complicated. There are freshmen RB's playing all over the country, yet we sign a 4 star that chose us over Bama, and he's once again not going to get major touches bc of lame excuses, his age, and bc we have a veteran that has good games against all the teams we would beat regardless and/or in garbage time vs any teams that could win us the league we're in.

I guess I'm just one of those guys that has dreams of us winning the SEC or at least maximizing our wins....instead of just being happy with winning the ones we should while beefing up our yards per carry against USM or while down 20 to Bama and running the ball. If anybody can honestly say that Holloway or Shumpert can be the tailback that helps us beat LSU, Bama, or Ole Miss in Oxford this year, then you see something I don't. Otherwise, we have different goals in mind for what we want MSU to accomplish.

This. All of it. Every last word, letter, and puncuation mark.

I would have repped this, but I have to spread it around some more.
08-16-2016, 08:03 AM
msstate7

Interesting about Holloway...

Rushing conf only -- 58 att 296 yds 5.10 att

Rec conf only -- 24 rec 280 yds 11.7 rec

Totals conf only -- 82 touches 576 yds 7.02 yds/touch

He was better in conference than out
08-16-2016, 08:11 AM
TrapGame

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave. I think it's a sign that he was being left behind and Tiano is pushing everyone for the starting spot.

Agree 100%.
08-16-2016, 08:14 AM
msstate7

Holloway vs bama...

3 rec 31 yds
7 rushes 34 yds

Vs lsu...

2 rec. 13 yds
5 rush 37 yds

Vs om...

5 rec 24 yds
10 rush 55 yds

Totals...

10 rec 68 yds 6.8 avg
22 rush 126 yds 5.73 avg
08-16-2016, 08:15 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

J) Expect Holloway and Shump until the younger guys learn how to pass block.

This actually pisses me off to hear. If HOlloway and Shump are the only guys that can pass block, a coach needs to be 17ing fired. I hope this is just bullshit the coaches are spewing. If Holloway and Shump are our primary backs this year, that would actually be bad enough that I'd be ready for Mullen to move on.
08-16-2016, 08:22 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Also, there is absolutely no excuse for not being able to teach a guy our plays and how to pass block in 2 years. Our running game ain't that damn good or complicated. There are freshmen RB's playing all over the country, yet we sign a 4 star that chose us over Bama, and he's once again not going to get major touches bc of lame excuses, his age, and bc we have a veteran that has good games against all the teams we would beat regardless and/or in garbage time vs any teams that could win us the league we're in.

I just don't get why it seems like we've regressed at this position even though we have talent. The only thing I know of has changed is that we eliminated the FB position in the offense and our O-Line has been weak. At some point, it seems Knox should shoulder some of the blame, but then again he is on the offensive side of the ball and we know there are no changes to the circle of trust.
08-16-2016, 08:25 AM
BB30

Not many teams run on Bama and LSU. Fournett had like 35 yds on 20 carries vs Bama. I agree we need to be better running the football and I would much prefer your typical "SEC" back. I know, I know got to keep that Alabama D honest. When they are stopping the run with their front 4 you are not going to get anywhere. The teams that have given them trouble including us in 14 generally have gashed them with pass/run options and reads. Until our OL unit improves I don't think you will see much improvement in the backfield. Regardless I agree and wish the most talented runner would get a good majority of the snaps. Also interestingly, if you look back to last year alot of Holloway's big plays on the ground actually came between the hashes. He is not fast enough to beat you outside he is just shifty and quick.
08-16-2016, 08:26 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave. I think it's a sign that he was being left behind and Tiano is pushing everyone for the starting spot.

I agree that I don't think our QB's are just average and yes Staley runs like a deer, albeit a three legged one. He needs to find a pass happy offense and showcase his arm.
08-16-2016, 08:30 AM
louisvilledawg

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Originally Posted by Beaver

I think I tried to defend Shump at the beginning of last year. I won't do it again... Unless he's turned into Derrick Henry I really don't want to see him as an Rb.

Dude runs like a refrigerator with a head and no vision or hands. Not defending him ever.
08-16-2016, 08:40 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

A) We are better coached on D than we have been in awhile. Sirmon impresses- as does the rest of the defensive staff. A couple people inside the building call this the best staff on D we have had under Mullen.

B) T-Buck promises he will find some better OL talent to recruit

C) Feeling is we will be improved on D

D) Our QB's look average at best.

E) The D is pounding the O's ass. The DL is wrecking shit

F) Gray is stepping up and gives us another weapon

G) Our OL should be at least slightly better

H) Green is a monster

I) Mullen wont risk an early season loss by starting Tiano to get his lumps. Feels Fitz and Williams can do enough to get by early on as they too get more experience. Got to go with experience- and they all need it.

J) Expect Holloway and Shump until the younger guys learn how to pass block.

Coaches should be EMBARRASSED to use J) as an excuse for why guys that are in their THIRD year in the program can't get on the field because they haven't LEARNED to pass block. Coaches, get off your asses and TEACH them. Heck, I could teach someone to pass block in 3 years. Now if they don't want to pass block that is one thing but don't come here with a rumor about "learning" to pass block.
08-16-2016, 08:47 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Coaches should be EMBARRASSED to use J) as an excuse for why guys that are in their THIRD year in the program can't get on the field because they haven't LEARNED to pass block. Coaches, get off your asses and TEACH them. Heck, I could teach someone to pass block in 3 years. Now if they don't want to pass block that is one thing but don't come here with a rumor about "learning" to pass block.

Of course it's a bullshit excuse for people bitching in the stands about why so and so isn't playing.

Part of the we threw the ball so much was because we didn't use Aeris or Lee last year as our between the tackles running back. It's sad because those guys could have at least been decent doing so last year and it would have made us better.
08-16-2016, 08:50 AM
Prentis

The way our running back system is being ran. Kylin Hill will not get any meaningful carries until his red-shirt junior year. This system is flawed. Like Cadaver said earlier it's freshman running backs playing all over the country. It takes us 2 years to "develop" a back which in my opinion is pitiful.
08-16-2016, 09:03 AM
Beaver

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

One thing I will say about Shump.. In the bowl game He ran like we all thought he could coming in. Like a Mack truck.

He had 5 carries... 2 of them went for less than a yard. So he had 3 decent runs the whole game against a terrible defense.
08-16-2016, 09:24 AM
HoopsDawg

You guys need to realize that we have 6 RB's on scholarship and none are the total package. None. The best looking RB in practice last year was Shumpert. I'm sorry, he just was.

Holloway made a lot of plays for us last year. He needs his 8 touches per game. The next most talented RB is either Aeris or Gibson. Those guys should be the 2 ball carriers.

The best all around QB is Tiano, but Mullen probably won't start the Freshman. Damien is the best passer. Nick is the best runner.
08-16-2016, 10:05 AM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Stats are deceiving. We need a RB that can play RB. Holloway is a decent pass catcher out of the backfield, and can break a decent run here and there....but lining up against Bama, LSU, and even Ole Miss and teams like that in this league with Holloway & Shumpert, will Not get it done. Period.

Everybody knows it. They both work hard and I like them...they just aren't SEC running backs. There is really no debating it. Holloway can play 3rd down back, but it's still not ideal in SEC West games bc he is too small & is a liability with the ball in his hands for that reason alone....and Shumpert is a fullback.

Until our OL gets better, it doesn't matter who we line up at RB against Bama / LSU / OM. Leonard Fournette himself couldn't push a pile against any of those teams with our OL. Holloway got the touches he did last year because he was able to find holes quickly when they were available and not dance around. With a bad OL, really the only thing you can do to halfway mask that weakness is to have speed in the backfield that can get outside. Thats what Holloway offered us last season. Can Holloway pick up the 3rd and 3's against the elite front 7's in our league? Hell no, but neither can anyone else until we improve up front.
08-16-2016, 10:11 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

But when you look at their main job, running, Holloway is no longer on top.

Aeris - 5.15ypc
Holloway - 4.47ypc
Shump - 3.86ypc
Lee - 6.22ypc

I'm not saying there isn't a role for Holloway in the offense, but as your stats show, they are more as a receiver than a RB. He is not an SEC RB. With his size and speed he needs to be mainly running the jet sweeps and catching the ball on screens. Aeris and Lee are our RB's from last year. They are the ones you give it to on 4 and 2 with the game on the line because they can move the pile to get that crucial first down. I know Lee was rumored to be in Dan's dog house most of last year and that may have kept him off the field more than what was planned, but out of the guys on this list, he has shown the most potential. Games in the SEC are not routinely won with a RB that barely outweighs a cheerleader. They are won with a guy that can lower his shoulder and put a LB on his ass.

He is not a RB. He is an APB and in that role he was used very well last year.
08-16-2016, 10:11 AM
Johnson85

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You guys need to realize that we have 6 RB's on scholarship and none are the total package. None. The best looking RB in practice last year was Shumpert. I'm sorry, he just was.

Then there should be a coach on the hotseat. They should know how to recognize SEC talent and if Shumpert looked like our best option, we should have been hitting JUCO hard looking for an option at RB. If we, for the second year in a row, don't have a decent option for an everydown back, a head needs to roll or there needs to be a good explanation why we can't get a decent option at what traditionally has been by far the easiest position for us to recruit.
08-16-2016, 11:09 AM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I am trying to work on my negativity.....

...But I'm not there yet.

I am so sick of seeing better RB's wasting away on our bench until their Junior year (or until they leave) while we keep playing the "veteran that knows how to pass block" card with Holloway & Shumpert. Shumpert & Holloway are 100% NOT the answer at RB...so why are we wasting needed reps for guys that CAN be the answer? Holloway will do his usual good performances against South Alabama & other schools that he should be playing for, and Shumpert will continue to play great on Special Teams but like he's blindfolded & in quick sand at RB. It's time to freaking cut bait and let Aeris, Lee, Gibson, and Murphy have a shot at being the guys we recruited them to be. These guys badly need to be each given a quarter in those first games so they will be ready for big games. Please let's quit banging our heads into the wall with Shumpert & Holloway.

Oh, & whoever compared Holloway to some of the recent upper echelon Oregon RB's should receive a 1 week ban for insulting those Oregon RB's.

Of course Mullen is going to be the one to make me have to refocus on my attempts to become more positive. He's the dumbest smart guy I've ever seen.

This is exactly the part of Mullen that is so frustrating...and leads some to want him gone at times.

He is fantastic in many areas which has brought our program to new highs, and a consistency we haven't seen since Allyn McKeen. But his stubborness in this area, along with questionable game management appears to be the thing that has prevented us from taking the next step.

I still get pissed when I recall TR with LaDarius Perkins, and Dan running LP up the gut for no gain play-after-play-after-play. I still get mad when I remember how he kept trotting Devon Bell out there for missed field goal-after-missed field goal, etc,....long after everybody knew Bell was a head-case and shell-shocked. Personnel decisions have often been brutal.

I keep hoping it's just part of the learning curve for a guy getting his first shot at HC, and that he will continue to improve. If he does...he could become an elite HC, IMO.
08-16-2016, 11:54 AM
tcdog70

2015 Team StatisticsTotal
Total Statistics
NAME TYDS YDS/G PASS PYDS/G RUSH YDS/G TP TP/G
1. Ole Miss 6731 517.77 4351 334.69 2380 183.08 531 40.85
2. Alabama 6406 427.07 3407 227.13 2999 199.93 526 35.07
3. Arkansas 6051 465.46 3486 268.15 2565 197.31 467 35.92
4. Miss St 5986 460.46 4113 316.38 1873 144.08 447 34.38
5. Texas A&M 5521 424.69 3323 255.62 2198 169.08 361 27.77
6. Tennessee 5490 422.31 2582 198.62 2908 223.69 457 35.15
7. LSU 5247 437.25 2165 180.42 3082 256.83 394 32.83
8. Georgia 4904 377.23 2406 185.08 2498 192.15 342 26.31
9. Auburn 4810 370.00 2257 173.62 2553 196.38 357 27.46
10. Florida 4676 334.00 2899 207.07 1777 126.93 325 23.21
11. Kentucky 4464 372.00 2512 209.33 1952 162.67 296 24.67
12. South Carolina 4346 362.17 2490 207.50 1856 154.67 263 21.92
13. Vanderbilt 3918 326.50 2062 171.83 1856 154.67 182 15.17
14. Missouri 3361 280.08

we were the 4th best offensive team in the SEC last year. We did this with an average at best OL. In 2014 were were the #1 best offense in the SEC with About 514 yards a game. So , I will sit back and watch Dan put an Offense on the field that will be good. I will trust Him to play the right QB and RB. Some just want to bash Mullen. Damn he has shown us He can Coach Offense. let's see what we look like the first 2 weeks and then Start all this bullshit mully grubbing.
08-16-2016, 12:36 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You guys need to realize that we have 6 RB's on scholarship and none are the total package. None. The best looking RB in practice last year was Shumpert. I'm sorry, he just was.

Holloway made a lot of plays for us last year. He needs his 8 touches per game. The next most talented RB is either Aeris or Gibson. Those guys should be the 2 ball carriers.

The best all around QB is Tiano, but Mullen probably won't start the Freshman. Damien is the best passer. Nick is the best runner.

Which is why we should have a two back system with Aeris and Lee and use Holloway situationally. Which would work and be the most effective.
08-16-2016, 12:38 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcdog70

2015 Team StatisticsTotal
Total Statistics
NAME TYDS YDS/G PASS PYDS/G RUSH YDS/G TP TP/G
1. Ole Miss 6731 517.77 4351 334.69 2380 183.08 531 40.85
2. Alabama 6406 427.07 3407 227.13 2999 199.93 526 35.07
3. Arkansas 6051 465.46 3486 268.15 2565 197.31 467 35.92
4. Miss St 5986 460.46 4113 316.38 1873 144.08 447 34.38
5. Texas A&M 5521 424.69 3323 255.62 2198 169.08 361 27.77
6. Tennessee 5490 422.31 2582 198.62 2908 223.69 457 35.15
7. LSU 5247 437.25 2165 180.42 3082 256.83 394 32.83
8. Georgia 4904 377.23 2406 185.08 2498 192.15 342 26.31
9. Auburn 4810 370.00 2257 173.62 2553 196.38 357 27.46
10. Florida 4676 334.00 2899 207.07 1777 126.93 325 23.21
11. Kentucky 4464 372.00 2512 209.33 1952 162.67 296 24.67
12. South Carolina 4346 362.17 2490 207.50 1856 154.67 263 21.92
13. Vanderbilt 3918 326.50 2062 171.83 1856 154.67 182 15.17
14. Missouri 3361 280.08

we were the 4th best offensive team in the SEC last year. We did this with an average at best OL. In 2014 were were the #1 best offense in the SEC with About 514 yards a game. So , I will sit back and watch Dan put an Offense on the field that will be good. I will trust Him to play the right QB and RB. Some just want to bash Mullen. Damn he has shown us He can Coach Offense. let's see what we look like the first 2 weeks and then Start all this bullshit mully grubbing.

We also had Chris Brown of Smartfootball.com tweeting about how he thought MSU underutilized Dak.

Just because our stats were "good" doesn't mean that they're optomized.
08-16-2016, 12:49 PM
Joe Schmedlap

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Absolutely correct, never seen a back reach this level with so poor fundamentals running the football. Now I do give shump props for his effort and playing hard and the dude is a good blocker. He just ain't a feature back. And the tire drill stuff is hilarious!

He's an awful tailback and mediocre pass blocker.
08-16-2016, 12:53 PM
Joe Schmedlap

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so, but we were a bad 2-pt conversion pass to shump away from beating lsu last year. We had the right guy (shump) on the right play, but again, a bad pass...

It was a bad pass, yet I bet it would have been caught by a different back.
08-16-2016, 01:08 PM
HoopsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Which is why we should have a two back system with Aeris and Lee and use Holloway situationally. Which would work and be the most effective.

Substitute Lee with Gibson and I agree with you.
08-16-2016, 01:21 PM
basedog

It's practice, not even a game and yet, why the moaning and bitching so early? Dang.

Players can improve from last year so let's wait and see, I bet we see some improvements from some of the players that are being criticized.
08-16-2016, 01:21 PM
YazooDawg23

Over/Under on how many back-breaking plays Shump has to demoralize our team this year? He just loses. Not his fault Mullen keeps trotting him out there.
08-16-2016, 01:26 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Substitute Lee with Gibson and I agree with you.

That's what I'd like to see. Is Lee even still on the team? I don't recall hearing a thing about him all offseason, which, considering all the talk about off-the-field issues last year, suggests his ship may have sailed.
08-16-2016, 01:31 PM
Liverpooldawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcdog70

2015 Team StatisticsTotal
Total Statistics
NAME TYDS YDS/G PASS PYDS/G RUSH YDS/G TP TP/G
1. Ole Miss 6731 517.77 4351 334.69 2380 183.08 531 40.85
2. Alabama 6406 427.07 3407 227.13 2999 199.93 526 35.07
3. Arkansas 6051 465.46 3486 268.15 2565 197.31 467 35.92
4. Miss St 5986 460.46 4113 316.38 1873 144.08 447 34.38
5. Texas A&M 5521 424.69 3323 255.62 2198 169.08 361 27.77
6. Tennessee 5490 422.31 2582 198.62 2908 223.69 457 35.15
7. LSU 5247 437.25 2165 180.42 3082 256.83 394 32.83
8. Georgia 4904 377.23 2406 185.08 2498 192.15 342 26.31
9. Auburn 4810 370.00 2257 173.62 2553 196.38 357 27.46
10. Florida 4676 334.00 2899 207.07 1777 126.93 325 23.21
11. Kentucky 4464 372.00 2512 209.33 1952 162.67 296 24.67
12. South Carolina 4346 362.17 2490 207.50 1856 154.67 263 21.92
13. Vanderbilt 3918 326.50 2062 171.83 1856 154.67 182 15.17
14. Missouri 3361 280.08

we were the 4th best offensive team in the SEC last year. We did this with an average at best OL. In 2014 were were the #1 best offense in the SEC with About 514 yards a game. So , I will sit back and watch Dan put an Offense on the field that will be good. I will trust Him to play the right QB and RB. Some just want to bash Mullen. Damn he has shown us He can Coach Offense. let's see what we look like the first 2 weeks and then Start all this bullshit mully grubbing.

THIS! Don't try to confuse them with facts. The last two years our problem has been on the defensive side of the ball. Moves were made to try and fix that. One of the very few gripes I have ever had with Mullen was rehiring Diaz.
08-16-2016, 01:31 PM
Big4Dawg

For those of you expecting anyone other than Holloway to lead the team in carries, you are going to be disappointed. Remember Perkins?
08-16-2016, 01:46 PM
Pollodawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

If QB's were just average I don't think a 6'5" 240 pound QB who runs like a deer would leave. I think it's a sign that he was being left behind and Tiano is pushing everyone for the starting spot.

Actually the problem with Staley was that he doesn't run like a deer. He's way, way closer to Tyler Russell than he is Cam Newton. He's more athletic than TR, but not much. Staley is a drop back passer all day long.
08-16-2016, 02:07 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We also had Chris Brown of Smartfootball.com tweeting about how he thought MSU underutilized Dak.

Just because our stats were "good" doesn't mean that they're optomized.

so what you are saying that being #1 in the SEC is "GOOD"-no shit Sherlock. Any time MSU can be in the top five in the SEC is AWESOME. Optimized there is a word you looked up in your Funk and Wagnalls. Besides that Dak was second in total offense last year behind an OL that is much maligned by you mullygrubbers. Quit with the bitching until you have something to bitch about. Do you just lie around dreaming up shit? **** Chris Brown and the horse he rode in on.
08-16-2016, 02:09 PM
tcdog70

Quote:

Originally Posted by YazooDawg23

Over/Under on how many back-breaking plays Shump has to demoralize our team this year? He just loses. Not his fault Mullen keeps trotting him out there.

are you even a MSU fan? Shump just might fool you, the Coaching staff must see something he is doing right.
08-16-2016, 02:16 PM
starkvegasdawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Which is why we should have a two back system with Aeris and Lee and use Holloway situationally. Which would work and be the most effective.

Think about a diamond formation with those three in the backfield at the same time.
08-16-2016, 02:29 PM
PMDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

This is exactly the part of Mullen that is so frustrating...and leads some to want him gone at times.

He is fantastic in many areas which has brought our program to new highs, and a consistency we haven't seen since Allyn McKeen. But his stubborness in this area, along with questionable game management appears to be the thing that has prevented us from taking the next step.

I still get pissed when I recall TR with LaDarius Perkins, and Dan running LP up the gut for no gain play-after-play-after-play. I still get mad when I remember how he kept trotting Devon Bell out there for missed field goal-after-missed field goal, etc,....long after everybody knew Bell was a head-case and shell-shocked. Personnel decisions have often been brutal.

I keep hoping it's just part of the learning curve for a guy getting his first shot at HC, and that he will continue to improve. If he does...he could become an elite HC, IMO.

8th year. EIGHTH. He is who he is at this point. I'm not really saying this to you, don't take it that way. Just kind of putting it out there, because I'm with you.
08-16-2016, 03:25 PM
Johnson85

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

I still get pissed when I recall TR with LaDarius Perkins, and Dan running LP up the gut for no gain play-after-play-after-play.

This seems much more explicable after seeing Josh Robinson a little more.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

I keep hoping it's just part of the learning curve for a guy getting his first shot at HC, and that he will continue to improve. If he does...he could become an elite HC, IMO.

He is still improving. The shake-up on the defensive staff shows that. For a lot of his "flaws", fixing them would require trade-offs that may or may not pay off. He could definitely make talent a bigger factor in PT decisions, but that would likely have a negative impact on discipline. The one criticism that I think is completely valid is that OL recruiting has put a low ceiling on many of his teams at MSU and he hasn't seemed to be willing to do anything about that.

Also, I guess it depends on your definition, but Mullen is pretty much an elite head coach. How many coaches would you trade him for and be confident we'd do better? Saban is one. After that...Jim harbough? Chip Kelly (although sanctions and did Oregon have that much more success?) Pete Carroll (although sanctions) Stoops? Maybe he's not elite depending on your definition, but certainly seems like he's at the tier immediately below elite.
08-16-2016, 03:27 PM
Reason2succeed

Hater gone hate! Man, I can't wait for football to start so that we will actually have something to talk about.

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