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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
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George is getting angryQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Tiger has never had an accurate driver though. Usually not as bad as he was this past weekend (I don't think he hit a fairway until 8 or 9 on Sunday), but he's always been distinctly below average in that aspect. He compensated before with length and excellent recovery shots. It was the miraculous recovery shots that had gone away after the incident and re-merged this past weekend with something nearing consistency. Work on driver accuracy would obviously help, but it's not like it's a part of his game that is suffering compared to his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
In 2002 Tiger hit 67.5% of fairways. So far in 2015 he's hit 51.2%. Because of his poor driving he's only hitting 59% of greens when he used to hit over 73%. His driving is way less accurate. He is averaging 309 yards a drive compared to 293 yards in 2002. He's hitting it farther it's just not straighter. Tiger is one club away from being back.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Yeah, I looked at the numbers myself and he wasn't as far off the average as I thought, and he has definitely fallen off in the past 5-6 years. Still, I feel like he's always tended to miss worse than most when he doesn't hit the fairway, and the recovery shots are a major strength of his game that are just now coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
no, I think Tiger is just losing his youthful strength, energy, recklessness, ect.... it happens to all athletes, even happened to Jack ... Jack won his last major at the age of 46 after competing on a very restricted schedule the last several years prior to that win ... the question is will Tiger fill the role of the past greats with class and dignity that the older generation has done ... to attain Jacks level of greatness requires more than just winning ....... I have yet to see that "class" from Tiger
Hitting a root hurts like hell but the pain goes away after a few minutes.
Also, afterwards he only seemed to be in pain on the bad shots he hit, not at all on the good ones.
There's not enough rounds to judge correctly for Tiger in 2015. He's been hurt. 2014 is a wash. The last full year is 2013 and he finished #1 in the World rankings that year and #1 on the money list. His sand saves this year are way down though which gives credence to what you're saying. He isn't scrambling as well. To me that's just because he's been hurt and saving pars is a touch thing that can only be obtained by playing a lot. Tiger just needs to stay healthy, play a bunch and straighten out his driver. The mental part is an embarrassment issue imo. Tiger needs to embrace Evil Tiger and quit trying to lie to the world and himself. Be Evil Tiger.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Tiger is definitely a full grown baby. He's a spoiled brat. Only Serena Williams compares to him in this area. Evil Tiger will be back. Probably just needs to start slaying ***** again. Go on his version of the Sherman march. Slaying and destroying all ***** in his path. Evil Tiger will break Jack's record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
How many majors he win in 2013? Nobody gives a shit about a Firestone Invational victory
To put it in perspective, to break jack's record, tiger has to win from now on, after his prime, as many majors as mickleson has won in his entire career. It's just not happening. Without the injuries and getting popped w the 9 iron, I think he would have gotten it w ease. But as it stands, it's going to be unbelievably hard. Jus don't see it. However, only a fool, would say it's impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Tiger was a gamechanger for the Tour and it took 10 years for the him to get off the HGH and the others to buy into the weight training. Now you have the older guys phased out, the guys his age bought in to weight training, and the younger guys in pristine shape. That wasnt how golf was before Tiger. And that is why so many of them wilted under pressure for so many years. There really werent any great golfers when he came along- just a few very good ones. It's different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I think he can win a couple more. But he has to learn to do something he has never done before- come from behind.
Tiger and "class" don`t belong in the same post. He just dropped several GD`s and an F-Bomb on the course at the damn MASTERS. Tiger is the Lance Armstrong of golf only without Armstrong`s class. Anyone who can`t see through him is one naive soul.
BThe HGH shit you're accusing him of is total bullshit. He's averaging 309 yards right now. In 2002 it was 293 yards. Tiger has only four majors to Jack. He's 38. Tiger will prepare every year for these majors specifically. That puts him at 50 being the cutoff any chance to win. That's 48 majors left to win 4. He'll get that done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Is tiger swing going to let him stay healthy enough to play consistently through 50? Seems unlikely as of now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Evil Tiger won't give a **** about any tree roots or injuries. He'll only care about breaking Jack's record. Once Tiger embraces Evil Tiger it's all over. Turn to the dark side Tiger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
he hasn't won a major since the PGA started testing for PED's. Probably just a coincidence tho. Oh, and there is that little thing about him being linked to an HGH Doctor. But we will just look past that also. And the fact he can't stay healthy now- another coincidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
give it up coach ... can't beat a man crush unless you're SpockQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They started testing in 2008. Tiger won the US Open in 2008. With a torn ACL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Um no. They started testing in July of 2008. The open was in June. While he was probably clean he has never won a major while being tested. And missed too many to count. And I'm not anti tiger. Happen to like him and thought he would break the record. Just no longer think that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Yeah, no shit.... Where did all this HGH stuff come from?
A month later. Wow. Tiger is hitting the ball farther now than ever before. Explain that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'm a huge tiger fan, but I'm pretty sure he was on the juice. And so was Phil. Look at Phil's body from early 30s to late 30s. You don't put on 25 pounds of muscle at that stage of life and go from arms like mine to massive biceps and triceps. You just don't.
Explain that he hasn't won one since and been injured half the time? Explain hitting it farther? Technology. It's not difficult. Every one hits it farther. Go look at the stat comparison. He was long before, still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Steroids don't help golfers. Long smooth flexible swings are ideal. Bulk muscle hurts a golfer not help him.
LOLZ- and people said steroids didn't help baseball players either. Why do golfers lift weights now when they never did 15 years ago?Also- frequent injuries are common steroid users after they stop using
Let's be real: steroids would help a golfer, but not a fraction as much as a baseball player. They'd help your tee shot on par 5's and many par 4's, and that's about it. A baseball power hitter's job is practically done once he completes the portion of it the steroids help with, while a golfer's is just starting. All that being said, it's hard to completely dismiss all the little pieces of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that suggest Tiger was a user for part of his career.
If you're hitting a nine iron instead of a seven or a PW instead of an 8 then it helps a lot.
HGH also helps you recover quicker, each round is approx 5 miles so walking 20 miles each tournament on this stuff is a major help even for the 30 yr olds.
I may be wrong, but I don't think extra strength/club speed would have a significant impact on that part of the game. There are so many other factors both in the golfer's control and not that come into play when you're getting closer to the green and transitioning into more of a finesse approach compared to a tee shot that I don't think the ability to hit a particular iron or wedge 20-25 yards further than average under standardized conditions is going to universally help you. I'm even reluctant to say that it would universally help long irons or fairway woods on a par 5 second shot. Again, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the only shot more strength would always help in any situation would be your drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
You've got a point about the endurance aspect; I hadn't thought about that.
HGH would help with recovery but Tiger is hitting the ball longer than ever. His workout routine is well documented. He's always been a gym rat and he's always been ripped. Accusing him of steroid use is weak ass shit by the Jack homos in the crowd. Once Evil Tiger returns he's going to shit all over the Golden Bear's record. Guess we'll just keep arguing for the next two decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
Zach Johnson is hitting it farther than then too. Are you dismissing technology? He's not used 3 wood much- like he did 2-3 years ago which are included in those stats. He will, because he can't put a driver in play.
Technology improves accuracy too right? Yet he's missing a lot more fairways and greens than "HGH" Tiger and still averaging 16 more yards a drive than he was in 2002. I can buy that HGH improves recovery time and stamina and even can help with mental fatigue and focus potentially but I don't buy for a second that it makes a golfer hit the ball longer or straighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Pitchers used PED's also. Stamina and Recovery. Huge parts of golf
I agree hgh won't help you hit it one inch straighter. We can agree w that. I would disagree that it wouldn't improve club head speed. Assuming one wasn't too bulky. Which tiger did get. The biggest difference is he's been hurt for 7 years. I'd live to chalk all this up to coincidence, but I can't. And I'm not sure when it began. Who knows. Whether or not he did hgh or not, didn't make him great at 21 and never made a putt or chip for him. So, I'm clearly not blaming his greatness on hgh or any other thing. But fact is he hadn't won one major in the time fram of drug testi. That's a fact. As I said before, one would be crazy to say he won't win more, but I can't see him breaking the record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Imagine the world finding out you're some weird sex freak that bangs Huddle House waitresses on the regular. Then imagine you have to play golf in front of them on tv and in person. In a sport that already requires the highest muscle memory precision and focus of all I can understand how an even slightly distracted golfer can struggle let alone one that's made himself fully embarrassed to the core. Tiger's struggles are mental and physical (injured). When people joke that Tiger hasn't been right since Elin ****ed him up it is the truth actually not just a joke. Dude did a press conference to address the world and say he was sorry for being a sex freak. He checked himself into a sex rehab facility in Hattiesburg, MS for a month! Then he's going to try to slide back into the same group of elitist pricks of the highest level in society. Uh no they aren't letting him back in. Only one way out of this self-made prison for Tiger. Become Evil Tiger. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg