and there it is, Tigger is hurt...

[Dawg61]

Um no. They started testing in July of 2008. The open was in June. While he was probably clean he has never won a major while being tested. And missed too many to count. And I'm not anti tiger. Happen to like him and thought he would break the record. Just no longer think that's the case.

A month later. Wow. Tiger is hitting the ball farther now than ever before. Explain that.

[confucius say]

I'm a huge tiger fan, but I'm pretty sure he was on the juice. And so was Phil. Look at Phil's body from early 30s to late 30s. You don't put on 25 pounds of muscle at that stage of life and go from arms like mine to massive biceps and triceps. You just don't.

[Homedawg]

A month later. Wow. Tiger is hitting the ball farther now than ever before. Explain that.

Explain that he hasn't won one since and been injured half the time? Explain hitting it farther? Technology. It's not difficult. Every one hits it farther. Go look at the stat comparison. He was long before, still is.

[Dawg61]

Steroids don't help golfers. Long smooth flexible swings are ideal. Bulk muscle hurts a golfer not help him.

[Coach34]

LOLZ- and people said steroids didn't help baseball players either. Why do golfers lift weights now when they never did 15 years ago?Also- frequent injuries are common steroid users after they stop using

[thf24]

Let's be real: steroids would help a golfer, but not a fraction as much as a baseball player. They'd help your tee shot on par 5's and many par 4's, and that's about it. A baseball power hitter's job is practically done once he completes the portion of it the steroids help with, while a golfer's is just starting. All that being said, it's hard to completely dismiss all the little pieces of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that suggest Tiger was a user for part of his career.

[Schultzy]

If you're hitting a nine iron instead of a seven or a PW instead of an 8 then it helps a lot.

HGH also helps you recover quicker, each round is approx 5 miles so walking 20 miles each tournament on this stuff is a major help even for the 30 yr olds.

[thf24]

If you're hitting a nine iron instead of a seven or a PW instead of an 8 then it helps a lot.

I may be wrong, but I don't think extra strength/club speed would have a significant impact on that part of the game. There are so many other factors both in the golfer's control and not that come into play when you're getting closer to the green and transitioning into more of a finesse approach compared to a tee shot that I don't think the ability to hit a particular iron or wedge 20-25 yards further than average under standardized conditions is going to universally help you. I'm even reluctant to say that it would universally help long irons or fairway woods on a par 5 second shot. Again, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the only shot more strength would always help in any situation would be your drive.

You've got a point about the endurance aspect; I hadn't thought about that.

[Dawg61]

If you're hitting a nine iron instead of a seven or a PW instead of an 8 then it helps a lot.

HGH also helps you recover quicker, each round is approx 5 miles so walking 20 miles each tournament on this stuff is a major help even for the 30 yr olds.

HGH would help with recovery but Tiger is hitting the ball longer than ever. His workout routine is well documented. He's always been a gym rat and he's always been ripped. Accusing him of steroid use is weak ass shit by the Jack homos in the crowd. Once Evil Tiger returns he's going to shit all over the Golden Bear's record. Guess we'll just keep arguing for the next two decades.

[Homedawg]

Zach Johnson is hitting it farther than then too. Are you dismissing technology? He's not used 3 wood much- like he did 2-3 years ago which are included in those stats. He will, because he can't put a driver in play.

[Dawg61]

Zach Johnson is hitting it farther than then too. Are you dismissing technology? He's not used 3 wood much- like he did 2-3 years ago which are included in those stats. He will, because he can't put a driver in play.

Technology improves accuracy too right? Yet he's missing a lot more fairways and greens than "HGH" Tiger and still averaging 16 more yards a drive than he was in 2002. I can buy that HGH improves recovery time and stamina and even can help with mental fatigue and focus potentially but I don't buy for a second that it makes a golfer hit the ball longer or straighter.

[Coach34]

Pitchers used PED's also. Stamina and Recovery. Huge parts of golf

[Homedawg]

Technology improves accuracy too right? Yet he's missing a lot more fairways and greens than "HGH" Tiger and still averaging 16 more yards a drive than he was in 2002. I can buy that HGH improves recovery time and stamina and even can help with mental fatigue and focus potentially but I don't buy for a second that it makes a golfer hit the ball longer or straighter.

I agree hgh won't help you hit it one inch straighter. We can agree w that. I would disagree that it wouldn't improve club head speed. Assuming one wasn't too bulky. Which tiger did get. The biggest difference is he's been hurt for 7 years. I'd live to chalk all this up to coincidence, but I can't. And I'm not sure when it began. Who knows. Whether or not he did hgh or not, didn't make him great at 21 and never made a putt or chip for him. So, I'm clearly not blaming his greatness on hgh or any other thing. But fact is he hadn't won one major in the time fram of drug testi. That's a fact. As I said before, one would be crazy to say he won't win more, but I can't see him breaking the record.

[Dawg61]

I agree hgh won't help you hit it one inch straighter. We can agree w that. I would disagree that it wouldn't improve club head speed. Assuming one wasn't too bulky. Which tiger did get. The biggest difference is he's been hurt for 7 years. I'd live to chalk all this up to coincidence, but I can't. And I'm not sure when it began. Who knows. Whether or not he did hgh or not, didn't make him great at 21 and never made a putt or chip for him. So, I'm clearly not blaming his greatness on hgh or any other thing. But fact is he hadn't won one major in the time fram of drug testi. That's a fact. As I said before, one would be crazy to say he won't win more, but I can't see him breaking the record.

Imagine the world finding out you're some weird sex freak that bangs Huddle House waitresses on the regular. Then imagine you have to play golf in front of them on tv and in person. In a sport that already requires the highest muscle memory precision and focus of all I can understand how an even slightly distracted golfer can struggle let alone one that's made himself fully embarrassed to the core. Tiger's struggles are mental and physical (injured). When people joke that Tiger hasn't been right since Elin ****ed him up it is the truth actually not just a joke. Dude did a press conference to address the world and say he was sorry for being a sex freak. He checked himself into a sex rehab facility in Hattiesburg, MS for a month! Then he's going to try to slide back into the same group of elitist pricks of the highest level in society. Uh no they aren't letting him back in. Only one way out of this self-made prison for Tiger. Become Evil Tiger. Haha