Not trying to argue, just curious as to what Top 15 coach you think we could get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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Not trying to argue, just curious as to what Top 15 coach you think we could get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Well, thanks for proving my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
We dont have the money to do it- without boosters pumping some green in to pay for it. You think that was gonna happen after firing Stands? Let me answer- **** no it wasnt. Would it now? Possibly. But that is what has to happen- BEFORE- we make a move.
It takes a village
Brick is over paid. He would have taken the job for $500k + $500k in performance (or someone equally qualified). 2 years of not performing would mean we could offer $1M + $1M in performance.
We paid through the nose to gamble on a nameless coach. You can gamble on nobody's without paying a premium. I'm not sure it was physically possible for SS to screw up any worse than he did.
This is the SEC- not the SWAC. You cant pay a coach less than $1M. And as far as cleaning up the program and eliminating the constant drama- he's been outstanding. Now the wins have to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnodawg
We can and should pay someone no more than they are worth. He is worth no more than $500k and probably less. $500k is the compensation for a 40+ NCAA tournament team. There is no, zero, zip reason to pay him more than others that are doing more with less. And much less at that. You don't pay $1M just because that's what the job pays. The you are paid what you are worth, and 3-15 in the SEC isn't worth $1M.
it's doesn't have to be a top 15 coach, prohm or bryce drew would have excited the fanbase and opened up some pocket books too. obviously eventually the Ws have to come on the court to keep the cash flow coming, but at least they kick started things on the front end which makes it easier to start winning on the court later. we on the other hand, hired a coach that literally got the least amount of excitement from the fanbase possible. no pocketbooks opened up, and sure they might if he starts winning, but not only did he come into a bad situation and have no experience as a HC or an elite level assistant, but he doesn't have the pocketbooks behind him helping him along either, which makes it that much more difficult. now you can argue the fanbase should be throwing money behind whoever we hired, and maybe that's partially right, but you aren't going to convince smart, successful people with the kinda money to donate millions or even hundreds of thousands to the program to a guy they don't believe in or have no reason to believe in. they wouldn't be millionaires with money to burn if they just threw money away on people they don't trust or believe in.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
paying our MBB coach $500K would make us look like a ****ing joke. more than we already do. paying that little sends a message that reaches far and wide in the coaching community that we don't give a shit, and coaches would hang up on us before we could make an introduction when we start looking around for our next coach. not that it'll matter to strickland. he'll probably just go hire starkville academy's junior high girls coach because he'll "build the program the right way".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnodawg
Not sure how many times this needs to be said, we tried to get both of them. Multiple times. You really think those two coaches deserve $2 + mill a year?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
yes. if that's the salary they wanted and our next best options were going the rick ray route, then we step up to the plate and and play like a ****ing major conference program and pay the salary. i'd guess having a coach that the fanbase could get behind would have offset a substantial amount of that extra $1M, if being a net gain for us. it's really not that ****ing difficult to grasp that when fans get excited, the money comes in, not just from ticket sales, but other avenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
but in reality, were they actually demanding $2M or is that just the number tossed around in here due to pearl's deal? do we actually know what they demanded if it actually got that far? or did we just come out low-balling them with $1M offer? if we had opened up with a $1.5M offer, would that have gotten it done?
So, at the time of the search, if we hired Bryce Drew and payed him $2 million, the fan base would've been happy? Get the **** out of here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
the fanbase isn't going to give too much of a shit about the salary unless we are vastly underpaying and costing us coaches. the fanbase would be happy that we went out and got a young guy that's been a HC and had some success and comes from a successful basketball family. that said, i don't think it would have taken $2M. it would have taken more than $1M, but probably not $2M, which is a top 20 national salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
i think the discussion of auburn paying pearl $2M has somehow morphed into we were offering drew/prohm $2M and they turned it down.
So we can spend $1M and look like a joke, or we can spend $500k and look like a joke. You are making my point, and put $500k back in the bank while you are at it. We spent top dollar for the same result. Half the coaches in the NCAA tournament are making less than $1M. Why does Brick command that much salary?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
I'm trying to figure out what you wanted Scott to do. If he offered Ray $1m, he sure has shit offered Prohm and Drew more. No one wanted our job. No one.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
we would look like MORE of a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnodawg
we aren't spending top dollar, we are spending bottom dollar for a major conference program.
half the ncaa tourney is programs from low and mid major conferences. that's why they are making less than $1M, and why it's ****ing ridiculous and a huge indictment of our AD that we couldn't go out and convince one of them to take our shitty job for $1M-$1.5M.
So if we had won it all in Omaha instead merely just runner-up a few months ago, we would have had a chance? I'm not buying that logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by codeDawg
That's blatantly false. Kermit Davis, Kenny Payne, Joe Dooley and Sean Woods all wanted our job. Quit acting like we are Jackson St..Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Sean Woods is the only one I'd take ahead of RayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Basically, what it all comes down to is we needed an AD to make this hire that wouldn't take no for an answer like Jay Jacobs did at Auburn. You sell the program to the coach and make the coach believe in your vision and what you will do to make them successful. I wish to heck that Byrne would have made that hire in basketball and Byrne would have fought for us in the Cam Newton situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Stricklin has made us look like fools twice but my biggest disappointment with him is he didn't identify his top target go after that target and do whatever it took to get the job done. We made a huge mistake when we went with Loafers. He is more like LT then he is Greg Byrne. For the life of me, I don't understand why we didn't hire Joe Dean, Jr. As the AD. We would be much more relevant in basketball I will tell you that. Saying that Ray was "Stricklin's guy" from the start is the biggest sack of bull shit I have ever seen.
Who says we can't just go hire Joe Dean Jr. right now? Bet he's pissed about our basketball program.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Do you honestly believe this? Did you enjoy our Sherrill years? Sherrill had more baggage then Pearl does at this point. I will say this with a lot of confidence that sans Kentucky with Calipari and Florida with Donovan that every other school in the SEC if they knew they could get Pearl to replace their current head coach they would. That is 12 teams just in the SEC that would do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Just by accepting the job at Auburn, he instantly became the 3rd best coach in the league. He has never had a losing season. Mind you he will have his first next year but I think he will have a good team in year 2 and who knows more then likely will make a tourney bid at a shitty Auburn program before we do with our coach. Just sayin...
Personally, I wouldn't mind him being who we go to next as the AD. He has paid his dues and has a much better track record as an AD then Loafers does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Stricklin made the right call to fire Stands. No doubt about it.
Where Strick made the mistake is that he had not been reaching out and basically having someone ready to hire when he made the call. Jacobs had Pearl lined up for a few weeks now. Hell, he met with Stands a couple of weeks ago. Jacobs was proactive and got it done- Auburn looks great. We looked pathetic in the process once Prohm and a couple others turned us down.
Stricklin isnt going anywhere anytime soonQuote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Yes, exactly. He didn't have a plan once he fired Stans. He looked like a complete moron. He also created a PR nightmare with the Murray State AD as well. His other mistake was hiring the coaching search firm. It did absolutely no good and also did a lot of bad. The best way to get feelers out is through these guys agents anyway. Shit, I am not connected in that world but even I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yes, I agree with you C34 Stans did have to go but Stricklin couldn't have screwed up the hire any worse then if he hired a six year old to do it and pick a random name out of a hat.
Why's that? He didn't get Mullen. He slaughtered our basketball program. Why does he get a pass? Joe Dean Jr. looks pretty damn good from where I'm sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Same reason LT lasted so long. He can botch a couple more basketball hires and survive imo...I could be wrong but I think he is in pretty good standing with the President and the big moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Yay it's 2003 MSU football all over again except this time it's basketball!! Why even have an AD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm not campaigning for himQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Already know you side with me on this one. You just have more tact than I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34