This is very true. Which is why if Lebby doesn't work it out it's imperative to hire a known coach that will cause a splash. And no that isn't Dan Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
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This is very true. Which is why if Lebby doesn't work it out it's imperative to hire a known coach that will cause a splash. And no that isn't Dan Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Also coincides with Stoops trying to leave Kentucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I've heard we have 15 million invested in this year's roster. While Im sure thats still toward the bottom of the SEC it should be worth more than 2 wins. Im still hoping the new 20.5 million cap from the schools helps get things back in line somewhat. I know there will still be rulebreakers, but there have always been rulebreakers in the past but maybe this will reign in the wild west environment we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Yep. And I?m one the board of the Don?t Give a Crap club.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I mean what kind of system is this?
Ole Miss and others are good because they pay a bunch of people more than others. The fans/boosters are responsible for paying to the level of competitiveness (insane). Congrat-u-****ing-lations on winning some games! I sure hope you would get a return on investment. I've even heard some Ole Miss fans say their interest is hanging on purely because they are winning, but they don't enjoy it the same way they used to.
Not to mention more commericals, change in clock rules, less plays, less team cohesion - the product is worse than it was 5 years ago and that isn't changing any time soon for the better
it's dam near flag football,Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
As far as football this season, it's a wait and see before I or we know what the outcome will truly be. All I know last years results were very poor MAINLY because of previous staff. A complete rebuild ain't gonna happen in a year or two, regardless of NIL crap!
I think Lebby is working hard and doing the best he can, no doubt he needs to show much improvement and show the media and fans they or we are wrong.
I do think we will be improved but what do I know because I'm all Maroon! LOL
I can tell you, never quit or give up, I don't have that gene in my body or soul! Just saying!
Yea it can change from 12 to be up to 20 this year ***Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
All jokes aside, Death -> Thinking '23 = '18 and trying the continuity play instead -> Wendeez deciding to do the opposite of what he was hired to do -> Lebby being the most mediocre hire we could do -> Lebby running back the same staff from a 2-10 year, just set us up for failure. It's a rut, but we can get out of it. It just likely won't be one year. Lebby could get us to 6-6 and KT winning the Egg bowl after Shapen gets hurt late in year would make for everyone to be hyped like 2013 going into 2014 again. But that's just not likely.
There you are you eternal optimist.Quote:
Originally Posted by BravesDoggy
Most years in my 45+ there was a large % of fanbase that always thought wait till next season and we gonna be good. Fall camp we all blew up with wool because of a bunch of said players that just were showing out. Nothing, notta, zero juice now.
We need something good to happen; who knows maybe we are all surprised 2 months from now.
Nothing wrong with having hope, i'm hoping as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Well we were spending about half of what Mississippi was the last couple of seasons. We did up our game some for 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
As NIL has grown and become more ingrained- you are seeing it getting harder and harder for the State and Kentucky's of college football. Kentucky is predicted 15th in the SEC this season- State 16th. Granted we had some turmoil that also contributed- but it would still be a huge problem even without it. We raised spending, have a coach that is settled now, and still few expect us to win 4 games or more. Vegas has us at 3.5. We'll be a home underdog vs Arizona St
We shall get it going in about 5 weeks and see what happens
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You sure have it in for one of the best coaches in our history (if not the best). And, like you, I'm a huge JWS fan, but Dan is as good or better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
?About to change though? because you think we?re better this year? Or because we?re going to be just as bad and a change will be made?Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
First paragraph is true. And on our 2023 roster we actually spent way less than half of what they spent on their 2023 roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But those Numbers have nothing to do with 2025 numbers. I'm not even sure they are spending more on their 2025 roster than we are. But if they are, it's not by a lot.
It's much more of a fair fight now. Gap is fixing to close if we have/get the head coach piece right.
We're going to be better. That may only be 4-8. But we're not getting beat by 24 at home to a G5 this year. And we're not losing our next 12 sec games by double digits.Quote:
Originally Posted by STATEBALLIN
What I was thinking. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
And TAM just signed this 4star lineman from Pascagoula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Our HS recruiting this cycle is bad. And we dont have the money to portal our way to big things. Football is done
I suggest you enjoy the 2 other sports we can compete in
and for those of you that say "we just need the right coach"......bullshit
No coach with big dreams is coming to take this job. And dont compare this to baseball. In baseball- We have Top 10 money and tradition. In football- we have Top 40 money
Right there with you. Leach?s passing really dinged my joy in college football and then the fallout followed by the rise of NIL and unmitigated transfers just killed the whole thing for me. I watch NFL way more now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Winning cures all. I do think that Lebby was a completely predicatable uninspiring hire. What has he done that endears himself to the fan base? All he does is use coach speak and it has gotten old pretty fast. I do think that this off-season was a lot lot better than his first one. The kids played hard in all but 2 games for him. He is a pretty good OC. If we beat ASU or Tennessee all will be back right with the world.
That said, I am going to agree with 34 here. We may want to prepare ourselves for a world in which MS State football is the 3rd sport on campus. Idk about y?all but I would be buying some purple and gold if that happens. Say what you want about them, but they have the most fun in the country week in and week out
And they hate OM too. Just saying
I just want what's best for MSU football. And having MSU's version of Ron Polk 2.0 is not what's best for MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
It's just that hiring Dan Mullen back sounds like the exact move that MSU would make and have it end poorly for all involved with MSU regretting it later.
Except that practically every coach we have had here minus Arnett has had successful seasons. Successful being defined as 8+ wins going back to the 1970's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Tyler- 9 wins in 74 and 76
Bellard- 9 wins in 1980 and 8 in 1981
Felker- Bad hire
Sherrill- Multiple 8-10 win seasons. And I'm pretty sure MSU could find a retread like him to coach here. Which is probably what we need if Lebby doesn't work out.
Croom- 8 wins in 2007. Yes, that Croom.
Dan- Multiple 8-10 win seasons
Moorhead- 8 wins in 2018
Leach- 9 wins in 2022.
Arnett- LOL
Lebby- TBD
The reality is our ceiling is what Ole Miss is doing. We can act envious of them but the fact of the matter is Kiffin hasn't really done anything at Ole Miss that hasn't been done at MSU before. In fact their 2024 season was almost a mirror image of the 2018 season we had under Moorhead except they didn't have to play Alabama which would have also been a loss for them and we played a solid Iowa team which didn't have any opt outs. You know- that Moorhead season where everyone knew it wasn't going to work out?
Even though money is a big part of this- so is talent evaluation and development. And that's where the Texas A&M's are lacking.
For what we're paying Lebby I guarantee you we could pull Sumrall from Tulane or Kinne from Texas State and let them use us as a stepping stone.
MSU handled Leach's passing as piss poorly as possible on so many levels. We'll be back soon but in the meantime we're about to find out if Lebby is Dan 2.0 or if he is simply a program stabilizer like Croom and Felker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Say what, "the right coach" isn't important? Come on 34 it is the most important position for any sport. Morehead, Arnett, are the perfect example for not having the right coach!!!! We have had many wrong coaches, picking the right one does not mean he has to be a blood blood coach!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Know he's trying to recruit to UNLV, but have you looked at their recruiting class ranking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We can certainly get a good coach- hell Lebby has been a good coach in his career so far. I just think whats going on in college football right now is ridiculous and so many factors affect things now other than actual coachingQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Tyler- got us on probationQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Bellard- won with Tyler's recruits then bottomed out
Felker
Jackie- The Father of MSU football. Did a great job
Croom- had 1 winning season in 5 years- and that one took some miracles with defensive TD's winning games
Mullen- built on what Jackie was doing and elevated the program
Moorhead- took over a loaded team and made it average
Leach- won with primarily Moorhead/Mullen's recruits and failed to recruit before his passing
Arnett- had almost no NIL to work with a new NIL Era
Lebby- coaching in a new era of college football in which we lag behind
I can't disagree with what you say. We are not a easy school to be in as far as HC past history BUT over the last 30 years we have gotten better with 3 good college coaches for us, JWS, DM and the Pirate. And in those years we also had Croom, Joe Mo and Arnett, image that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Everybody went way over from July 1, 2024 to June 30, 2025 to get deals in before the House settlement took effect July 1 and deals had to be cleared by Deloitte. Including us. We spent over 10 million last month alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But back to the point of my post, the gap between us and OM has closed completely or almost completely. Of course we will never spend what Texas and Aggie do. But that's been the case for decades.
Agree on high school recruiting this cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But respectfully, you have no clue how much we are spending on our 2025 football roster and how much each of the other 15 teams in the league are spending, much less 2026 and 2027.
But those days are over. Even if we recruit ok and develop them- they just gonna leave in the portal for a bigger payday. The development part where we were excelling has been taken away from usQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I know you think we are in the thick of things but I can assure you that we are not. We'll keep seeing it play out moving forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Compared to Texas and Aggie? No we are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Compared to the bottom 8 in the league, we very much are. Which has been the case our entire lives.
Again, we spent 8 figures in June alone.
I was at the 3-2 Auburn game... yes, it was lower than what I see right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I know we went over big time from June 1, 2025 to June 30, 2025 because of what was coming down the pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Correct. 8 figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve