Its almost August and I don't think I can remember

[Coach34]

and for those of you that say "we just need the right coach"......bullshit

No coach with big dreams is coming to take this job. And dont compare this to baseball. In baseball- We have Top 10 money and tradition. In football- we have Top 40 money

[Dawgology]

Love this place with all my heart, but I have never been closer to finding something else to support. Leach dying and then everything the sport is supposed to stand for just dying woth it has really hurt me

Right there with you. Leach?s passing really dinged my joy in college football and then the fallout followed by the rise of NIL and unmitigated transfers just killed the whole thing for me. I watch NFL way more now.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Winning cures all. I do think that Lebby was a completely predicatable uninspiring hire. What has he done that endears himself to the fan base? All he does is use coach speak and it has gotten old pretty fast. I do think that this off-season was a lot lot better than his first one. The kids played hard in all but 2 games for him. He is a pretty good OC. If we beat ASU or Tennessee all will be back right with the world.

That said, I am going to agree with 34 here. We may want to prepare ourselves for a world in which MS State football is the 3rd sport on campus. Idk about y?all but I would be buying some purple and gold if that happens. Say what you want about them, but they have the most fun in the country week in and week out

[BuckyIsAB****]

And they hate OM too. Just saying

[Todd4State]

You sure have it in for one of the best coaches in our history (if not the best). And, like you, I'm a huge JWS fan, but Dan is as good or better.

I just want what's best for MSU football. And having MSU's version of Ron Polk 2.0 is not what's best for MSU.

It's just that hiring Dan Mullen back sounds like the exact move that MSU would make and have it end poorly for all involved with MSU regretting it later.

[Todd4State]

and for those of you that say "we just need the right coach"......bullshit

No coach with big dreams is coming to take this job. And dont compare this to baseball. In baseball- We have Top 10 money and tradition. In football- we have Top 40 money

Except that practically every coach we have had here minus Arnett has had successful seasons. Successful being defined as 8+ wins going back to the 1970's.

Tyler- 9 wins in 74 and 76
Bellard- 9 wins in 1980 and 8 in 1981
Felker- Bad hire
Sherrill- Multiple 8-10 win seasons. And I'm pretty sure MSU could find a retread like him to coach here. Which is probably what we need if Lebby doesn't work out.
Croom- 8 wins in 2007. Yes, that Croom.
Dan- Multiple 8-10 win seasons
Moorhead- 8 wins in 2018
Leach- 9 wins in 2022.
Arnett- LOL
Lebby- TBD

The reality is our ceiling is what Ole Miss is doing. We can act envious of them but the fact of the matter is Kiffin hasn't really done anything at Ole Miss that hasn't been done at MSU before. In fact their 2024 season was almost a mirror image of the 2018 season we had under Moorhead except they didn't have to play Alabama which would have also been a loss for them and we played a solid Iowa team which didn't have any opt outs. You know- that Moorhead season where everyone knew it wasn't going to work out?

Even though money is a big part of this- so is talent evaluation and development. And that's where the Texas A&M's are lacking.

For what we're paying Lebby I guarantee you we could pull Sumrall from Tulane or Kinne from Texas State and let them use us as a stepping stone.

[Todd4State]

Right there with you. Leach?s passing really dinged my joy in college football and then the fallout followed by the rise of NIL and unmitigated transfers just killed the whole thing for me. I watch NFL way more now.

MSU handled Leach's passing as piss poorly as possible on so many levels. We'll be back soon but in the meantime we're about to find out if Lebby is Dan 2.0 or if he is simply a program stabilizer like Croom and Felker.

[basedog]

and for those of you that say "we just need the right coach"......bullshit

No coach with big dreams is coming to take this job. And dont compare this to baseball. In baseball- We have Top 10 money and tradition. In football- we have Top 40 money

Say what, "the right coach" isn't important? Come on 34 it is the most important position for any sport. Morehead, Arnett, are the perfect example for not having the right coach!!!! We have had many wrong coaches, picking the right one does not mean he has to be a blood blood coach!

[Goldendawg]

I just want what's best for MSU football. And having MSU's version of Ron Polk 2.0 is not what's best for MSU.

It's just that hiring Dan Mullen back sounds like the exact move that MSU would make and have it end poorly for all involved with MSU regretting it later.

Know he's trying to recruit to UNLV, but have you looked at their recruiting class ranking?

[Coach34]

Say what, "the right coach" isn't important? Come on 34 it is the most important position for any sport. Morehead, Arnett, are the perfect example for not having the right coach!!!! We have had many wrong coaches, picking the right one does not mean he has to be a blood blood coach!

We can certainly get a good coach- hell Lebby has been a good coach in his career so far. I just think whats going on in college football right now is ridiculous and so many factors affect things now other than actual coaching

[Coach34]

Except that practically every coach we have had here minus Arnett has had successful seasons. Successful being defined as 8+ wins going back to the 1970's.

Tyler- 9 wins in 74 and 76
Bellard- 9 wins in 1980 and 8 in 1981
Felker- Bad hire
Sherrill- Multiple 8-10 win seasons. And I'm pretty sure MSU could find a retread like him to coach here. Which is probably what we need if Lebby doesn't work out.
Croom- 8 wins in 2007. Yes, that Croom.
Dan- Multiple 8-10 win seasons
Moorhead- 8 wins in 2018
Leach- 9 wins in 2022.
Arnett- LOL
Lebby- TBD

The reality is our ceiling is what Ole Miss is doing. We can act envious of them but the fact of the matter is Kiffin hasn't really done anything at Ole Miss that hasn't been done at MSU before. In fact their 2024 season was almost a mirror image of the 2018 season we had under Moorhead except they didn't have to play Alabama which would have also been a loss for them and we played a solid Iowa team which didn't have any opt outs. You know- that Moorhead season where everyone knew it wasn't going to work out?

Even though money is a big part of this- so is talent evaluation and development. And that's where the Texas A&M's are lacking.

For what we're paying Lebby I guarantee you we could pull Sumrall from Tulane or Kinne from Texas State and let them use us as a stepping stone.

Tyler- got us on probation
Bellard- won with Tyler's recruits then bottomed out
Felker
Jackie- The Father of MSU football. Did a great job
Croom- had 1 winning season in 5 years- and that one took some miracles with defensive TD's winning games
Mullen- built on what Jackie was doing and elevated the program
Moorhead- took over a loaded team and made it average
Leach- won with primarily Moorhead/Mullen's recruits and failed to recruit before his passing
Arnett- had almost no NIL to work with a new NIL Era
Lebby- coaching in a new era of college football in which we lag behind

[basedog]

We can certainly get a good coach- hell Lebby has been a good coach in his career so far. I just think whats going on in college football right now is ridiculous and so many factors affect things now other than actual coaching

I can't disagree with what you say. We are not a easy school to be in as far as HC past history BUT over the last 30 years we have gotten better with 3 good college coaches for us, JWS, DM and the Pirate. And in those years we also had Croom, Joe Mo and Arnett, image that?

[confucius say]

I dont think the gap is going to close. These programs will keep spending whatever they need to over the rev share. They dont want parity. They want championships.

Everybody went way over from July 1, 2024 to June 30, 2025 to get deals in before the House settlement took effect July 1 and deals had to be cleared by Deloitte. Including us. We spent over 10 million last month alone.

But back to the point of my post, the gap between us and OM has closed completely or almost completely. Of course we will never spend what Texas and Aggie do. But that's been the case for decades.

[confucius say]

Our HS recruiting this cycle is bad. And we dont have the money to portal our way to big things. Football is done

I suggest you enjoy the 2 other sports we can compete in

Agree on high school recruiting this cycle.

But respectfully, you have no clue how much we are spending on our 2025 football roster and how much each of the other 15 teams in the league are spending, much less 2026 and 2027.

[Coach34]

I can't disagree with what you say. We are not a easy school to be in as far as HC past history BUT over the last 30 years we have gotten better with 3 good college coaches for us, JWS, DM and the Pirate. And in those years we also had Croom, Joe Mo and Arnett, image that?

But those days are over. Even if we recruit ok and develop them- they just gonna leave in the portal for a bigger payday. The development part where we were excelling has been taken away from us

[Coach34]

Agree on high school recruiting this cycle.

But respectfully, you have no clue how much we are spending on our 2025 football roster and how much each of the other 15 teams in the league are spending, much less 2026 and 2027.

I know you think we are in the thick of things but I can assure you that we are not. We'll keep seeing it play out moving forward

[confucius say]

I know you think we are in the thick of things but I can assure you that we are not. We'll keep seeing it play out moving forward

Compared to Texas and Aggie? No we are not.
Compared to the bottom 8 in the league, we very much are. Which has been the case our entire lives.
Again, we spent 8 figures in June alone.

[Hot Rock]

a lower time in MSU football history and I go back 45+ years. Maybe Felker one year or Croom a few years. Idk. MSU fans are eternal optimists but just no juice about anything.

I know portal and NIL, etc are also part to blame but we need something good to happen soon.

Apathy is sleeping at our doorstep.

I was at the 3-2 Auburn game... yes, it was lower than what I see right now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Everybody went way over from July 1, 2024 to June 30, 2025 to get deals in before the House settlement took effect July 1 and deals had to be cleared by Deloitte. Including us. We spent over 10 million last month alone.

But back to the point of my post, the gap between us and OM has closed completely or almost completely. Of course we will never spend what Texas and Aggie do. But that's been the case for decades.

I know we went over big time from June 1, 2025 to June 30, 2025 because of what was coming down the pipe.

[confucius say]

I know we went over big time from June 1, 2025 to June 30, 2025 because of what was coming down the pipe.

Correct. 8 figures.