Who should have their media credentials revoked ?

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

This is exactly my point. If genespage was actually doing things that hurt our football program, Mullen would come down on them like a ton of bricks and he would have them blackballed

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Really? Like he's done to Matt Stevens?
Wait -- you probably don't think he's done anything to hurt our program either, do you?

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The bottom line is that the folks with all the facts (or at least more of the facts than you, coach, engie, etc. have) think very highly of them, and I would say that is fairly solid evidence that they are not doing things that hurt MSU.

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No. That's just fairly solid evidence that they kissed the right asses over the years and are so ingrained into the fabric now that they can't easily be eradicated.

Your mind is made up on this -- and ours damn sure is -- so I don't really understand what your point is? Backing De'Vinner and encouraging him to take his grossly exaggerated story public was good for MSU according to you. Got it.

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

This is exactly my point. If genespage was actually doing things that hurt our football program, Mullen would come down on them like a ton of bricks and he would have them blackballed. The bottom line is that the folks with all the facts (or at least more of the facts than you, coach, engie, etc. have) think very highly of them, and I would say that is fairly solid evidence that they are not doing things that hurt MSU.

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Apparently not. Because it hasn't happened yet. At least not publicly. It certainly may have happened behind closed doors for all we know- but probably not since he lives in Baton Rouge. MSU has handled the media very poorly for years- and when I say years, I'm talking about since my grandfather's lifetime. It's a huge weakness for the athletic dept. And that goes for all aspects from promoting our players and preventing the media from doing harm through negative publicity. I think Dak's Heisman campaign is a huge test for MSU in that regard.

I think Gene does a good job covering baseball. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he's maybe even the best internet person at covering a college baseball team in America. I say that with all sincerity. I think that's a big reason why he is allowed in. Kyle Niblett posts on his site.

Rosebowl however, is a problem. He's pompous, arrogant, and he always thinks that he is right even when he is obviously wrong. And you know what- that's OK, EXCEPT when he hurts MSU.

I'd be very interested to know what "facts" we're allegedly wrong about here. It's not like any of this is hearsay or top secret insider stuff. This is stuff that happened for all the world to see.

1. DeVinner- he encouraged him to talk and that caused Redmond's suspension to be longer than it should have been.

2. He broke Mackenzie Alexander's commitment too soon which caused him to get bombarded by people wanting to know if it was true and that left a bad taste in his mouth and then he went to Clemson.

3. He said that Bryant's scholarship offer was gone when in fact it wasn't.

4. When Kameron Wood left Ole Miss's football team- he claimed that he got and I paraphrase "what he deserved". Because he duped Steve and Gene by making them come to his press conference where he committed to Ole Miss when they thought he was coming to MSU. That didn't hurt the football team, but it's a poor reflection of someone representing MSU and not to mention totally classless. It also shows how vindictive Steve is.

5. He broke Beniquez Brown's commitment too soon stealing his day in the sun. Didn't hurt us- but it certainly could have.

There's no denying any of it. It's in black and white. All Rosebowl ever does when someone actually confronts him is he just says, "I was right and you don't know what you're talking about" and then his legion of cult members take it at face value despite the facts and then tell him how awesome he is and thanks for putting the truth out. It's actually a little bit scary.

I just don't see anything good that he has ever really done. I don't get MSU fans defending him. And while this thread is about revoking media credentials, all I really want is for some accountability. Someone needs to sit his ass down and tell him that he doesn't have the authority to call recruits liars (even if they did, and I think that's debatable in this case given the nature of recruiting) and pull their scholarship offers no matter what info he has or how he interprets the info he has. If a kid makes him "look bad"- be an adult and understand you're dealing with 18 year olds.

as for Bryant, seemed like it made Bryant quickly realize what he was doing and call the MSU coaches to reaffirm what he had told them the weekend prior.

On Alexander, I could be wrong, but I recall a fictitious twitter account posing as Alexander being created, then claiming a commitment, then it vanished rather quickly. My hunch that was done by OM. In the meantime, Did Steve also report the same thing that the fake twitter account claimed, yes, but I don't recall him starting that lie.

I thought Steve or Gene was there to report on Richie's announcement on NSD? I enjoyed reading that story.

[QUOTE=engie;124378]Steve's outburst this weekend about Bryant helped MSU how?

Last year -- he tweeted all about Mackensie Alexander, a 5*, committing to us during the middle of his official visit at MSU. Alexander was then bombarded by reporterse seeking comment -- and had to issue a bunch of different denials. He didn't get to enjoy his OV to the fullest extent possible -- and left with a sour taste in his mouth about the whole ordeal -- before later actually signing with Clemson. How did Steve help us here?

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Originally Posted by engie

Really? Like he's done to Matt Stevens?
Wait -- you probably don't think he's done anything to hurt our program either, do you?

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I definitely feel like someone should put Stevens in his place. But he hasn't done anything on the level that you are talking about either.

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Originally Posted by engie

No. That's just fairly solid evidence that they kissed the right asses over the years and are so ingrained into the fabric now that they can't easily be eradicated.

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Bullshit. If they were costing us recruits or costing Redmond eligibility, they could be easily eradicated.

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Originally Posted by engie

Your mind is made up on this -- and ours damn sure is -- so I don't really understand what your point is? Backing De'Vinner and encouraging him to take his grossly exaggerated story public was good for MSU according to you. Got it.

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Calm down......and stop trying to put words in my mouth. They definitely did not handle the De'Vinner situation well at all. I don't know any details about them encouraging him to go public, but I do remember both Gene and Steve taking up for him on the message boards in the beginning. They were naive and allowed themselves to be manipulated.....that was without a doubt a **** up, but let's not act like that had an effect on the end result of that whole deal.

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

I definitely feel like someone should put Stevens in his place. But he hasn't done anything on the level that you are talking about either.

Bullshit. If they were costing us recruits or costing Redmond eligibility, they could be easily eradicated.

Calm down......and stop trying to put words in my mouth. They definitely did not handle the De'Vinner situation well at all. I don't know any details about them encouraging him to go public, but I do remember both Gene and Steve taking up for him on the message boards in the beginning. They were naive and allowed themselves to be manipulated.....that was without a doubt a **** up, but let's not act like that had an effect on the end result of that whole deal.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Apparently not. Because it hasn't happened yet. At least not publicly. It certainly may have happened behind closed doors for all we know- but probably not since he lives in Baton Rouge. MSU has handled the media very poorly for years- and when I say years, I'm talking about since my grandfather's lifetime. It's a huge weakness for the athletic dept. And that goes for all aspects from promoting our players and preventing the media from doing harm through negative publicity. I think Dak's Heisman campaign is a huge test for MSU in that regard.

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I agree that MSU handles the media very poorly. But if GP were having as negative of an effect as yall tend to portray, then I feel like it would be addressed.....or at the very least, our athletic department would not be as fond of them as they reportedly are.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd be very interested to know what "facts" we're allegedly wrong about here. It's not like any of this is hearsay or top secret insider stuff. This is stuff that happened for all the world to see.

I don't know and I never claimed to. All I said was that I feel pretty confident that the people in our ath. dept. have a better understanding of everything that actually transpired in these situations than yall do......and if everything played out exactly the way yall say it did, then they wouldn't be so popular with our ath. dept.

1. DeVinner- he encouraged him to talk and that caused Redmond's suspension to be longer than it should have been.

So you are saying that Gene and Steve had an effect on the length of Redmond's suspension? That is completely ridiculous.

2. He broke Mackenzie Alexander's commitment too soon which caused him to get bombarded by people wanting to know if it was true and that left a bad taste in his mouth and then he went to Clemson.

Here is the way I remember that situation (according to Steve)....MA sent Steve a text saying that he had committed.....Steve put it on the board and it went viral.....then Steve got another text from him saying that he actually wasn't ready to commit yet. Obviously, I have no way of knowing how it actually happened, but based on Steve's account, he was reporting information that he got directly from MA (and he was never asked not to report it). I am going off of memory, so some of these details may be off, but the way Steve told it, it sounded more like MA got caught up in the moment on his OV and told Steve he had committed, when he wasn't actually ready to.

3. He said that Bryant's scholarship offer was gone when in fact it wasn't.

I have a feeling that Bryant's offer was gone, up until he called the staff. Hell for all we know the staff had Steve report that to send a message to Bryant and his family.

Now, that being said, I do feel like he was out of line with the comment about "Recruits taking visits that they said they wouldn't take"......he definitely shouldn't call out a recruit like that, and that definitely could have hurt us with Bryant.

4. When Kameron Wood left Ole Miss's football team- he claimed that he got and I paraphrase "what he deserved". Because he duped Steve and Gene by making them come to his press conference where he committed to Ole Miss when they thought he was coming to MSU. That didn't hurt the football team, but it's a poor reflection of someone representing MSU and not to mention totally classless. It also shows how vindictive Steve is.

5. He broke Beniquez Brown's commitment too soon stealing his day in the sun. Didn't hurt us- but it certainly could have.

There's no denying any of it. It's in black and white. All Rosebowl ever does when someone actually confronts him is he just says, "I was right and you don't know what you're talking about" and then his legion of cult members take it at face value despite the facts and then tell him how awesome he is and thanks for putting the truth out. It's actually a little bit scary.

I just don't see anything good that he has ever really done. I don't get MSU fans defending him. And while this thread is about revoking media credentials, all I really want is for some accountability. Someone needs to sit his ass down and tell him that he doesn't have the authority to call recruits liars (even if they did, and I think that's debatable in this case given the nature of recruiting) and pull their scholarship offers no matter what info he has or how he interprets the info he has. If a kid makes him "look bad"- be an adult and understand you're dealing with 18 year olds.

I agree that the tweet that called out Bryant was unacceptable. And I agree that when Steve ****s up, he should absolutely be held accountable for it.....I agree 100% with all of that. But when you start shaping narratives (#1 in your post is a clear example of this) and stating rumors as absolute fact, in order to make him and Gene look like they are detrimental to MSU athletics, I feel like you should be called on it.

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

I agree that MSU handles the media very poorly. But if GP were having as negative of an effect as yall tend to portray, then I feel like it would be addressed.....or at the very least, our athletic department would not be as fond of them as they reportedly are.

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You would be right IF MSU actually was firm with the media. The school is not.

1. You can believe whatever you want- or not. When you have someone coming forth publicly like DeVinner did, it forces a school to take action. There is no question about that.

2. About MA- Steve shouldn't put info out immediately like that for that very reason. He should have waited and honestly he should do that on most every recruit.

In the 2004 SEC Tourney. Cost us a really good seed.

they hurt MSU tremendously during the course of an ongoing investigation. It almost cost other players games after they sought to make the ordeal public for their own business gains. If not for some quick action by MSU to offset what resulted from their advice, we would've played without several guys for a few games that season.

It was used for business purposes with no regard to how it impacted 1) an MSU student-athlete, 2) the football team, and 3) the MSU compliance department. Sometimes it's best to just shut up.

name one other team related site that has ever encouraged "a rat" and/or "a liar" to go public against their own program? How the hell anyone can defend that is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

they hurt MSU tremendously during the course of an ongoing investigation. It almost cost other players games after they sought to make the ordeal public for their own business gains. If not for some quick action by MSU to offset what resulted from their advice, we would've played without several guys for a few games that season.

It was used for business purposes with no regard to how it impacted 1) an MSU student-athlete, 2) the football team, and 3) the MSU compliance department. Sometimes it's best to just shut up.

name one other team related site that has ever encouraged "a rat" and/or "a liar" to go public against their own program? How the hell anyone can defend that is beyond me.

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Yet, we've obviously got a very vocal faction that's got their back regardless.

Same faction that are probably still pissed off about John Cohen and his cussing.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

name one other team related site that has ever encouraged "a rat" and/or "a liar" to go public against their own program? How the hell anyone can defend that is beyond me.

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Can you imagine if he did it while "covering" Bama of LSU?

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Can you imagine if he did it while "covering" Bama of LSU?

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That's why I'm glad we've got an "LSU" SID now. Hopefully, he curtails all of this type of bullshit.

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Originally Posted by engie

Yet, we've obviously got a very vocal faction that's got their back regardless.

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and this absolutely blows my mind

"Here Jean and Steve, let me continue to give you money each month after you befriended a known rat and a liar about Miss State, then say it was "poor judgement".