Yeah that Alabama kid may surprise everyone. Looking forward to seeing him get some touches.
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Yeah that Alabama kid may surprise everyone. Looking forward to seeing him get some touches.
That's because it's not the same in any way shape or form. Jarrian Jones is a four star, and he brought in three promising in state recruits like Reed, Williams, and Furdge. He also brought in Cam Dantzler. He has also done a good job of developing Jamal Peters and Maurice Smitherman as well Dantzler. Yes he has lost some but he at least has a replacement in mind for those that he loses. How many years did Hevesy sign three o-linemen? People talk about how Hevesy was a great "coach" but he didn't really develop very many guys that got drafted by the NFL. And that draft number is worse once you get past the guys that he inherited from Croom. Our OT's struggled this year and part of that is on Hevesy. Especially since Reese is playing out of position- and ironically the reason we have Reese is because T-Buck went after him and recruited him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Honestly if Hevesy hadn't been so lazy and/or if Dan or someone at MSU had held him accountable for his lack of recruiting he wouldn't have gotten half as much flack as he has gotten from me.
There is no way in hell that Hevesy lands Cross and Cunningham. Not sure about the other guys.
I bet he redshirts but I could see him having possibly becoming a reliable back for us. There is no question that he was productive in high school and I do think that he is underrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Not a big dispute but Townsend (and Knox to a degree) got Cam the summer before TBuck was hiredQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We dropped Reed earlier in the class and had to re-offer him. That says something to me. But don?t act like he brought in Cam, Peters, etc either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Hevesy will have two of his guys drafted this year, one next year, and Reese later. He also found two solid players in Parker and Story. I might add, he did get Rankin too. Eiland didn?t look bad when filling in for Rankin last year either. You also forgot to mention that he was a big reason we were able to get Suggs and Johnson. Suggs will be a major player for us this upcoming year upfront.
As I recall, you were all about us trying to sign Nik Hogan last year and that proved to me how little you know about OL.
If I am not mistaken Reese was recruited by T-Buck. He hadn’t even been contacted by Hev and the previous staff. T-Buck was hired and got him to sign in less than 2 months. Signed with us over Florida State I believe. Funny that the coach getting criticized for not being able to bring in top corners actually brought in one of the OL that will probably go pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Hevesy couldnt recruit for anything no need to attempt to pull that narrative now. He was horrible and arrogant, but that man is one hell of an O-Line coach. We took a step back there this season, also he knew Mullen's offense as well as he did hopefully Marcus can become that with Joe.
Not sure if you are directing that at me, but I didn’t say anything about coaching, I was talking about recruiting.....this is the recruiting thread isn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless
I agree that Hev could coach up some guys to play above their potential.
Mullen schemes to help the OL too. He eliminated screens because we couldnt handle it. He gave our tackles help and our RBs and WRs blocked a lot. Hev is a good coach for what Mullen does.
Apparently Moorhead's offense doesn't. Josh Allen wrecked penn st even more than he did us. Penn st had no answer eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I don't know I agree. Yes there's a ton of technique, mindset, and quick mental reads needed fto play CB. But in HS you can still tell how fast a guy is, how tall he is, and have an idea of how much he'll weigh in college. All the physical traits are known upfront, same as for WR's. Now OL is REALLY hard to project, since so much physical change is still happening for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I agree with you though that there's a crap ton of 5'11"-6'1" skinny fast guys in HS, and finding a solid CB should be very easy. I also think it's the most coaching heavy position because it's so easy to find decent athletes for it. But the 4* and up CBs are generally better than the 3*. If it really was a crapshoot staffs wold have figured that out and devote more time to other positions, trusting they'll grab a couple random 3* from Troy on signing day and be just as good off.
Reese signed with us because Florida State did not offer. He held out for them and then was available for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sox Dawg
T-Buck did know about the situation and help land him, though.
Apparently Huff's first call as RB coach at Bama was to Ealy. It doesn't bother me much for ex coaches to do this, but I'm not sure why the new coaches we get don't reciprocate. Mullen didn't recruit any Florida recruits when he came here, but sure as hell did last year when he left us and went there. JoMo said publicly that we wouldn't go after any Penn St. recruits when he got here last year.
Were Tyree and Marks for next year interested in us more so because of Huff or JoMo?
As far as CB, I'm not sure why we don't use the juco system more to supplement what we can get at that position. Seems we use it wisely for S, but haven't utilized it much for CB. I would almost try to use 1 scholly a year to try and land a juco guy to cover for any misses we have. Plus is takes most of their first year to really get comfortable at this level.
Correct. It’s a problem with his system. You can’t go big play all the time. We use our receivers and running backs less in blocking and more in routes. SEC is too good to do that all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We can't get out of state guys to come here impromptu like that. Before the days of internet and social media, we could do it here and there. Recruiting has changed with technology and it's been rough for us, concerning football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips
100% agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
I had a CB recruit's parent tell me yesterday that T-Buck was a great dude, but not a closer. Said he basically said, "regardless of where y'all choose to go, y'all have my number and I'm here to help if you need anything.", type of stuff. Again, the guy couldn't be more complimentary of T-Buck, but his kid is going to a different SEC school, so that should tell you all you need to know. I don't think it's T-Buck's fault, he's just a good relationship guy that is not a closer...and in this division of this conference, you gotta ABC, always be closing, ha
Dak Prescott circa 2015 disagrees. I thought one of my new favorite MSU radio hosts was going to get Dak killed that year. You are correct though....Mullen masked our deficiencies against teams that he was not totally overmatched by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I guess the question is "could" he have closed the deal and landed the kid at MSU if he had pressed or was the kid going somewhere else regardless? As a recruiter you tend to handle people different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I had a feeling this was going to happen. Pisses me off! And sure makes me wonder if the baseball decision is in doubt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips
Huff is doing his job & this doesn't have anything to do with baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Ealy isn’t going to AL. Same deal as Clemson.
Did he call Penn State players when he left last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
we were certainly in it for TyreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Who was 2 years and 2 months away from signing with anyone when Huff came here, completely different than someone who's supposed to sign in 2 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
And for the record JoMo was very clear they weren't trying to poach PSU's class
C-Dawg the strategy With T-Buck should be let him be the set-up guy and bring a closer in when the time is ripe. been their done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
That would be a JoeMo decision not Huff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
That and the fact that bama is already in the head of every kid in America. Sort of easy to get in late on someone. State, however, isn't deep in the minds of many psu recruits. Just how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I agree that you handle different people differently. However, we aren't landing guys. We had three that we "committed" that will always remember his as a nice guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Well if you remember JoMo's first choice was to not keep T-Buck on staff. A couple of other guys he wanted fell through so he went back and talked him into staying. Maybe lack of recruiting prowess was a factor there?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Look I believe T-Buck is one of our hardest working recruiters, the stories you read, he is always visiting recruits.
So looking like Washington to FSU and Emerson to Miami. We really need some good news
You recall incorrectly about Nik Hogan which proves how little you know about what I post. Feel free to link it so I can apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
I didn't act like he brought in Peters. But it was T-Buck's idea to move him to CB where he is now likely to be a NFL draft pick. And he held on to Dantlzer and has done a great job developing him. Reed, Williams and Furdge may or may not pan out- but we have options of guys to at least try. Unlike Hevesy and his 2-3 recruit OL classes which have caused depth issues and us having to play some of your favorite o-linemen out of position. And in the past those depth issues have caused us to have to move TE's like Rufus Warren and DL like James Carmon to the o-line to fill a void. We won't have to do that at CB. Despite all of T-Buck's misses- he at least goes back and gets someone to fill the spot instead of signing no one at all. The only way that would be comparable would be if T-Buck didn't sign guys he targeted, was lazy and we were having to move safeties to CB every year.
He did get Rankin- but he also redshirted him when he should have played him instead of Rufus Warren which hurt us in 2015. He also missed him out of high school.
And let's look at our o-line. Which wasn't all that great especially if you remember our o-lines in 1980 and 1998.
C- Jenkins. You give him credit yet Hevesy didn't offer him until the last day in January. Probably after a bunch of misses on his part. Giving Hevesy credit here is like giving a blind squirrel credit for finding a nut.
G- Williams. I'll give him credit here. However, we're having to switch him to center because someone apparently forgot that centers were part of the o-line the past five years.
G- Calhoun. Solid player. We'll see if he gets drafted. It will be round 5-7 if he does.
T- Eiland. Part of the reason he looked good last year was because he started against BYU, Kentucky before Josh Allen's switch went on, A&M with a lot of injuries if I recall correctly, and UMass. The other reason he looked bad is because he was a sophomore who had to start in the SEC as a sophomore. Because someone told a guy who started for Clemson that his hands were too small. Which meant we couldn't use Eiland at RT where he would have been far less exposed. Also this entire o-line struggled with really good defenses last year too. Let's not forget Georgia and Auburn last year when talking about how bad they were this year.
T- Reese. If I can't give T-Buck credit for Dantlzer you sure as hell can't give Hevesy credit for Reese. Who ironically was recruited by T-Buck and not wanted by Hevesy at all. And again another OL playing too soon and out of position because Hevesy failed to fill needs in recruiting. And again- thank God for T-Buck getting him or we would have been worse.
We'll see on Parker, Suggs, and Story. But they are in the exact same position that Reed, Williams, and Furdge are right now in their development except for Story being slightly further along. And Reed was offered by Tennessee after we dropped him and that tells me something as well. And I hope you are right about Suggs because otherwise Hevesy would have completely crapped out with Montravious Richardson and Josh Cooper who never qualified. But at least Brian Baker got us Josh Jackson who we moved to center this year.
Mullen took quite a few of our coaches with him to Florida, but excluded T-Buck. Wonder if recruiting was a major factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Mullen? Not keep a coach because of recruiting skills? Surely you jest.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
I think his issue to me is he pays more attention to out of state guys at least initially like Brooks, James, and etc. when I would rather see him focus on guys more on in state guys like Raydarious Jones. I'm not saying totally ignore out of state guys but I would say be a little wiser with guys that aren't in state guys who are also "looking at other options" and be willing to drop those guys if we have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
TBuck didn’t want to go with Mullen.
Kunddarius Taylor list us in his top-3..?20 Juco WR who was the best WR at Co-Lin last year. Kid is a ball player that we need, real game changer.
T-Buck did not like Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Not getting Taylor.
The Mullen can't recruit argument is tired. When will be face the facts that this might be the way it is here. He don't seem to be having many recruiting issues at Florida OR was he right in saying the the name on the jersey recruits itself?Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania