2019 Recruiting Thread

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yeah that Alabama kid may surprise everyone. Looking forward to seeing him get some touches.

[Todd4State]

Duncan was rated right below DJ James as one of the top unsigned AL HS players per AL.com. The kid can play and has a really good bloodline on top of that. At some point we have to start questioning T-Buck's recruiting ability..we lost Bishop and Mason last year and will now lose three of our DBs this year. You guys wanted to always point fingers at Hev, but I read nothing of T-Buck after the last year and a half.

That's because it's not the same in any way shape or form. Jarrian Jones is a four star, and he brought in three promising in state recruits like Reed, Williams, and Furdge. He also brought in Cam Dantzler. He has also done a good job of developing Jamal Peters and Maurice Smitherman as well Dantzler. Yes he has lost some but he at least has a replacement in mind for those that he loses. How many years did Hevesy sign three o-linemen? People talk about how Hevesy was a great "coach" but he didn't really develop very many guys that got drafted by the NFL. And that draft number is worse once you get past the guys that he inherited from Croom. Our OT's struggled this year and part of that is on Hevesy. Especially since Reese is playing out of position- and ironically the reason we have Reese is because T-Buck went after him and recruited him.

Honestly if Hevesy hadn't been so lazy and/or if Dan or someone at MSU had held him accountable for his lack of recruiting he wouldn't have gotten half as much flack as he has gotten from me.

There is no way in hell that Hevesy lands Cross and Cunningham. Not sure about the other guys.

[Todd4State]

Yeah that Alabama kid may surprise everyone. Looking forward to seeing him get some touches.

I bet he redshirts but I could see him having possibly becoming a reliable back for us. There is no question that he was productive in high school and I do think that he is underrated.

[Really Clark?]

That's because it's not the same in any way shape or form. Jarrian Jones is a four star, and he brought in three promising in state recruits like Reed, Williams, and Furdge. He also brought in Cam Dantzler. He has also done a good job of developing Jamal Peters and Maurice Smitherman as well Dantzler. Yes he has lost some but he at least has a replacement in mind for those that he loses. How many years did Hevesy sign three o-linemen? People talk about how Hevesy was a great "coach" but he didn't really develop very many guys that got drafted by the NFL. And that draft number is worse once you get past the guys that he inherited from Croom. Our OT's struggled this year and part of that is on Hevesy. Especially since Reese is playing out of position- and ironically the reason we have Reese is because T-Buck went after him and recruited him.

Honestly if Hevesy hadn't been so lazy and/or if Dan or someone at MSU had held him accountable for his lack of recruiting he wouldn't have gotten half as much flack as he has gotten from me.

There is no way in hell that Hevesy lands Cross and Cunningham. Not sure about the other guys.

Not a big dispute but Townsend (and Knox to a degree) got Cam the summer before TBuck was hired

[BankerDog]

That's because it's not the same in any way shape or form. Jarrian Jones is a four star, and he brought in three promising in state recruits like Reed, Williams, and Furdge. He also brought in Cam Dantzler. He has also done a good job of developing Jamal Peters and Maurice Smitherman as well Dantzler. Yes he has lost some but he at least has a replacement in mind for those that he loses. How many years did Hevesy sign three o-linemen? People talk about how Hevesy was a great "coach" but he didn't really develop very many guys that got drafted by the NFL. And that draft number is worse once you get past the guys that he inherited from Croom. Our OT's struggled this year and part of that is on Hevesy. Especially since Reese is playing out of position- and ironically the reason we have Reese is because T-Buck went after him and recruited him.

Honestly if Hevesy hadn't been so lazy and/or if Dan or someone at MSU had held him accountable for his lack of recruiting he wouldn't have gotten half as much flack as he has gotten from me.

There is no way in hell that Hevesy lands Cross and Cunningham. Not sure about the other guys.

We dropped Reed earlier in the class and had to re-offer him. That says something to me. But don?t act like he brought in Cam, Peters, etc either.

Hevesy will have two of his guys drafted this year, one next year, and Reese later. He also found two solid players in Parker and Story. I might add, he did get Rankin too. Eiland didn?t look bad when filling in for Rankin last year either. You also forgot to mention that he was a big reason we were able to get Suggs and Johnson. Suggs will be a major player for us this upcoming year upfront.

As I recall, you were all about us trying to sign Nik Hogan last year and that proved to me how little you know about OL.

[Red Sox Dawg]

We dropped Reed earlier in the class and had to re-offer him. That says something to me. But don?t act like he brought in Cam, Peters, etc either.

Hevesy will have two of his guys drafted this year, one next year, and Reese later. He also found two solid players in Parker and Story. I might add, he did get Rankin too. Eiland didn?t look bad when filling in for Rankin last year either. You also forgot to mention that he was a big reason we were able to get Suggs and Johnson. Suggs will be a major player for us this upcoming year upfront.

As I recall, you were all about us trying to sign Nik Hogan last year and that proved to me how little you know about OL.

If I am not mistaken Reese was recruited by T-Buck. He hadn’t even been contacted by Hev and the previous staff. T-Buck was hired and got him to sign in less than 2 months. Signed with us over Florida State I believe. Funny that the coach getting criticized for not being able to bring in top corners actually brought in one of the OL that will probably go pro.

[Scared_Hitless]

Hevesy couldnt recruit for anything no need to attempt to pull that narrative now. He was horrible and arrogant, but that man is one hell of an O-Line coach. We took a step back there this season, also he knew Mullen's offense as well as he did hopefully Marcus can become that with Joe.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Hevesy couldnt recruit for anything no need to attempt to pull that narrative now. He was horrible and arrogant, but that man is one hell of an O-Line coach. We took a step back there this season, also he knew Mullen's offense as well as he did hopefully Marcus can become that with Joe.

Not sure if you are directing that at me, but I didn’t say anything about coaching, I was talking about recruiting.....this is the recruiting thread isn’t it?

I agree that Hev could coach up some guys to play above their potential.

[Cooterpoot]

Mullen schemes to help the OL too. He eliminated screens because we couldnt handle it. He gave our tackles help and our RBs and WRs blocked a lot. Hev is a good coach for what Mullen does.

[msstate7]

Mullen schemes to help the OL too. He eliminated screens because we couldnt handle it. He gave our tackles help and our RBs and WRs blocked a lot. Hev is a good coach for what Mullen does.

Apparently Moorhead's offense doesn't. Josh Allen wrecked penn st even more than he did us. Penn st had no answer either

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

CB is a weird position. There is so much you don't learn at that position in high school because there are a crap ton of athletic guys that play the position but never learn technique. Two of the best corners ever in our history were a 3 star with no other D1 offers (Banks) and a 2 star out of high school in Georgia (Slay). Obviously if you are a Top 5 talent at the position out of high school you are probably flipping good. But there a lot of development that goes on at that position in college. Maybe the most development dependent position in football.

I don't know I agree. Yes there's a ton of technique, mindset, and quick mental reads needed fto play CB. But in HS you can still tell how fast a guy is, how tall he is, and have an idea of how much he'll weigh in college. All the physical traits are known upfront, same as for WR's. Now OL is REALLY hard to project, since so much physical change is still happening for them.

I agree with you though that there's a crap ton of 5'11"-6'1" skinny fast guys in HS, and finding a solid CB should be very easy. I also think it's the most coaching heavy position because it's so easy to find decent athletes for it. But the 4* and up CBs are generally better than the 3*. If it really was a crapshoot staffs wold have figured that out and devote more time to other positions, trusting they'll grab a couple random 3* from Troy on signing day and be just as good off.

[1bigdawg]

If I am not mistaken Reese was recruited by T-Buck. He hadn?t even been contacted by Hev and the previous staff. T-Buck was hired and got him to sign in less than 2 months. Signed with us over Florida State I believe. Funny that the coach getting criticized for not being able to bring in top corners actually brought in one of the OL that will probably go pro.

Reese signed with us because Florida State did not offer. He held out for them and then was available for us.

T-Buck did know about the situation and help land him, though.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Apparently Huff's first call as RB coach at Bama was to Ealy. It doesn't bother me much for ex coaches to do this, but I'm not sure why the new coaches we get don't reciprocate. Mullen didn't recruit any Florida recruits when he came here, but sure as hell did last year when he left us and went there. JoMo said publicly that we wouldn't go after any Penn St. recruits when he got here last year.

Were Tyree and Marks for next year interested in us more so because of Huff or JoMo?

As far as CB, I'm not sure why we don't use the juco system more to supplement what we can get at that position. Seems we use it wisely for S, but haven't utilized it much for CB. I would almost try to use 1 scholly a year to try and land a juco guy to cover for any misses we have. Plus is takes most of their first year to really get comfortable at this level.

[Cooterpoot]

Apparently Moorhead's offense doesn't. Josh Allen wrecked penn st even more than he did us. Penn st had no answer either

Correct. It’s a problem with his system. You can’t go big play all the time. We use our receivers and running backs less in blocking and more in routes. SEC is too good to do that all the time.

[Bothrops]

Apparently Huff's first call as RB coach at Bama was to Ealy. It doesn't bother me much for ex coaches to do this, but I'm not sure why the new coaches we get don't reciprocate. Mullen didn't recruit any Florida recruits when he came here, but sure as hell did last year when he left us and went there. JoMo said publicly that we wouldn't go after any Penn St. recruits when he got here last year.

Were Tyree and Marks for next year interested in us more so because of Huff or JoMo?

As far as CB, I'm not sure why we don't use the juco system more to supplement what we can get at that position. Seems we use it wisely for S, but haven't utilized it much for CB. I would almost try to use 1 scholly a year to try and land a juco guy to cover for any misses we have. Plus is takes most of their first year to really get comfortable at this level.

We can't get out of state guys to come here impromptu like that. Before the days of internet and social media, we could do it here and there. Recruiting has changed with technology and it's been rough for us, concerning football.

[CadaverDawg]

Duncan was rated right below DJ James as one of the top unsigned AL HS players per AL.com. The kid can play and has a really good bloodline on top of that. At some point we have to start questioning T-Buck's recruiting ability..we lost Bishop and Mason last year and will now lose three of our DBs this year. You guys wanted to always point fingers at Hev, but I read nothing of T-Buck after the last year and a half.

100% agree with you.

I had a CB recruit's parent tell me yesterday that T-Buck was a great dude, but not a closer. Said he basically said, "regardless of where y'all choose to go, y'all have my number and I'm here to help if you need anything.", type of stuff. Again, the guy couldn't be more complimentary of T-Buck, but his kid is going to a different SEC school, so that should tell you all you need to know. I don't think it's T-Buck's fault, he's just a good relationship guy that is not a closer...and in this division of this conference, you gotta ABC, always be closing, ha

[Jarius]

Mullen schemes to help the OL too. He eliminated screens because we couldnt handle it. He gave our tackles help and our RBs and WRs blocked a lot. Hev is a good coach for what Mullen does.

Dak Prescott circa 2015 disagrees. I thought one of my new favorite MSU radio hosts was going to get Dak killed that year. You are correct though....Mullen masked our deficiencies against teams that he was not totally overmatched by.

[Irondawg]

100% agree with you.

I had a CB recruit's parent tell me yesterday that T-Buck was a great dude, but not a closer. Said he basically said, "regardless of where y'all choose to go, y'all have my number and I'm here to help if you need anything.", type of stuff. Again, the guy couldn't be more complimentary of T-Buck, but his kid is going to a different SEC school, so that should tell you all you need to know. I don't think it's T-Buck's fault, he's just a good relationship guy that is not a closer...and in this division of this conference, you gotta ABC, always be closing, ha

I guess the question is "could" he have closed the deal and landed the kid at MSU if he had pressed or was the kid going somewhere else regardless? As a recruiter you tend to handle people different ways.

[Cowbell]

Apparently Huff's first call as RB coach at Bama was to Ealy. It doesn't bother me much for ex coaches to do this, but I'm not sure why the new coaches we get don't reciprocate. Mullen didn't recruit any Florida recruits when he came here, but sure as hell did last year when he left us and went there. JoMo said publicly that we wouldn't go after any Penn St. recruits when he got here last year.

Were Tyree and Marks for next year interested in us more so because of Huff or JoMo?

As far as CB, I'm not sure why we don't use the juco system more to supplement what we can get at that position. Seems we use it wisely for S, but haven't utilized it much for CB. I would almost try to use 1 scholly a year to try and land a juco guy to cover for any misses we have. Plus is takes most of their first year to really get comfortable at this level.

I had a feeling this was going to happen. Pisses me off! And sure makes me wonder if the baseball decision is in doubt...

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I had a feeling this was going to happen. Pisses me off! And sure makes me wonder if the baseball decision is in doubt...

Huff is doing his job & this doesn't have anything to do with baseball.