And stop allowing our program to be the farm team of the real competitors every year. The buck stops with you whether fair or not. Open up the wallet and let some air in, brother
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And stop allowing our program to be the farm team of the real competitors every year. The buck stops with you whether fair or not. Open up the wallet and let some air in, brother
Cohen grew up a Bama fan. Not sure why he?d care. He accepted the SEC pecking order at a young age.
Mind boggling how mismanaged things are right now
A complete embarrassment to our school.
I hope season tickets suffer so people in power are held accountable
If he isn?t in the phone this week, wearing out the SEC office he needs to find retirement next week m. No excuse
Y?all are some dumb@@@&&. This happens everyday in every business and in sports. You do your damn job by going and finding the next good coaches. God we have a fanbase full of crying !!!!!!!.
Guys I have one question due to the Baker MSU contract terms Bama ain't happy with. Apparently Cohen tried to lock him in and make him more un-poachable but Bama has DEEP pockets.
My question: Do y'all know for a fact that our coaches are underpaid at all (to include outside non-State of Mississippi funds)?
Just asking cause I have no clue and everybody seems to want to fire ADs right and left, regardless of who they are from my observations.
Not sure what business you are in but I do know you aren?t successful in it from your response.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
Successful companies have retention plans and make sure their top talent doesn’t leave. Bottom line. Do more reading and searchihg and lest posting please .
If are a football coach that wants to advance and Nick Saban offers you a job, you take it. He is currently considered the best HC in CFB and having his name on your resume puts you above all those that don't.
Maybe it?s not the money.....and, if not, that?s worse. John?s a smart guy...if all it?s about is money, that?s a relatively simple fix. With 4 coaches now gone.....makes me wonder....Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
You don't take less pay to do it. Pay them more than they're worth. Hell, look at what Clemson did with Venebles, and I'd say it was worth the $Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
This does need to happen IMO. I'm a fair market/capitalism guy but with regard to the US economy there are antitrust laws in place to prevent monopolies and I'm starting to think something similar needs to happen in CFB to some extent. Not sure how far to go, but Saban is getting ridiculous in the shit he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Some more BS
Ask Cohen to bitch to the SEC? No wonder our fan base doesn't get it. What the hell is the SEC going to do?
It's money people. If we want this crap to end we need more money. And a lot of it. Until we all step up and donate more and find others who are willing to donate more it's not going to matter
Regardless of the reasons, MSU how NO CHANCE, of building a nationally competitive program with this happening.
Not sure what the answer is, but, if those in power can't c find one, then we need new people in power.
Good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by K9 Avenger
And to those saying "this happens to everyone"....not a whole staff after one underachieving year. No it doesn't. This is a problem, and we aren't going to be able to keep batting a thousand on these replacement hires every year.
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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
He's from Tuscaloosa and grew up a Bama football fan.
Why don't we just hire a better defensive line coach?
Successful companies are scared of top talent leaving because they know they can go find someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
You see sometimes the perceived value on the outside is more than perceived value on the inside.
We'll try. And if we succeed we'll be replacing him this time next year and losing the recruits he's bringing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
He's loyal to MSU. Book it.
I'd worry if they weren't taking "better" jobs. We're losing guys to the NFL and Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
2017 - We are overpaying Mullen to keep him! Let him go, we can find another!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
2019 - Overpay assistants so we can keep them!!!!
Haha Haha Haha are you this naive? You don?t think coaches/ADs complaining to the SEC office has an impact? Dillon Day disagrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
That seems to be how the coaching industry is. The Joe Paterno's and Bear Bryant's don't exist anymore. I'd guess the career span of a head coach is only about 5-6 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
{Black helicopter floats overhead}Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Care to share why Bama, the most successful program in the last decade, has vacancies they need to fill? Wouldn't they have locked up their "top talent"? Otherwise, they wouldn't be hiring correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Your rention plan theory sounds great, but it isn't practical. Ambition drives people, and it doesn't follow the company plan.
We could have a wet paper bag coaching DL and be great. Saban is trying to disrupt this recruiting class because he is scared. The DL talent in Mississippi would make any coach look great. Just look at the nfl rosters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This is about Saban trying to disrupt what he sees as his biggest threat in the West.
I agree. We need to figure out if we actually are underpaying our coaches or not before we declare that as the issue. I do believe that we have the resources to pay coaches more than we are based on Dan and what we were willing to pay him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Dabo is currently the best HC in CFB. He keeps coaches and beats Saban and Saban can't keep coaches because he's a dick. That's what is driving the issue being discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
I do agree, though, that having Bama on your coaching resume is a big plus.
What has John done that was above average since being AD? Serious question cause the only thing I can think of is paying Vic big money. I think LeMo will end up being a great hire but his handling of he baseball search as a whole was a joke. I like John so I'm hoping I'm missing something but I just don't see what he's done that's anything above average.
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Originally Posted by RougeDawg
LOL A response on a message board makes a person unsuccessful in their own business ventures. If that were the case then several on here would be on the unemployment line.
Spot on rougedawg.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Maybe we should just accept that 6+ wins should be a great year for MSU going forward, and just forget about ever competing at a high level. Then we wouldn't care about coaches leaving and recruits decommitting, and the MSU fanbase would never have to hear negativity...and I could get back my Saturday's during the fall and the money I pump into MSU. Because the way things are now, this is only the beginning of this type of stuff.
Where do you think money comes from? Do you think he's sitting on millions in cash? Do you think we paid Lemonis $3M and that's where the money went??Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY
It's that simple. It's up to the boosters how much we can pay coaches. If you want to say Cohen sucks at fundraising you can, though you'll need to show me the numbers proving he's worse than the previous AD's. The fact is we're poor. Maybe Cohen's worse fundraising is costing us a million or so a year, but even that is a joke compared to Bama.
14 months ago we supposedly had the boosters ready to give out $6M to keep Dan. Joe makes less tan half that. Assistants don't make 3M more than they did under Dan. Lemones can't be making more than 200k more than Cann was, so that's not where the money went. It appears to me like the Boosters were willing to shell out for Dan, but pulled back their total contributions for Joe. I blame them far more than Cohen
Cause Saban is the hardest m'fer in CFB to work for. Enos packed his bags and left without telling him he was leaving. At next meeting Saban supposedly said "Where the f*** is Dan?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Sorry to do this....
Bama football in playoff every year
Bama football top talent 1-85
Bama has Saban to put on a resume.
State football is not Bama football.
Unless it is a very unusual circumstance and you're Pat Fitzgerald you have no true loyalty to a school. It's a job for these guys.
Why are any of you shocked, surprised, angry coaches leave any school? Is it hard to understand? Has anyone ever looked to see how many alumni actually coach at the schools they went to?
I hate to see Baker leave but shit it's not like he grew up in Starkville and went to State. Until all the money from state alums gets serious, and not just puffing sizzle chests and yapping about it, about building a Clemson we will be what we are right now. 6-9 win SEC football program.
When it comes to programs hiring positional coaches away from others is the actual question here. And no they aren't going to do shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Yeah, we?ve all got faith in Cohen to do that. LOL, he bungled the hires all over the place already. He?s refurbing seats in a new stadium, and underpaying coaches. Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
I guess that's why Sarkisian is retuning right? Stop regurgitating nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Outside of your perception how was the baseball search a joke? We got a young up and comer who apparently has good references. One you keep posting is gonna be awesome. Did he just call up Cohen and say hey I'm lemonis you should hire me and Cohen said sounds good? To me it played out not a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Don’t we have the longest drought against Alabama in the SECW? Yeah I’m sure Saban sees us a huge threat