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ZedFedder
06-01-2023, 09:54 PM
Bout to blow up the recruiting trail
Who else you hearing?
Cowbell
06-02-2023, 06:46 AM
3 commits in one day (2 four stars) and this board is almost quiet 😂 ...it's no fun if you can't complain***
KOdawg1
06-02-2023, 06:47 AM
Beavers to OM
Yeah, this staff sucks rn
This staff no longer sucks.
Kudos to them for getting shit done
BankerDog
06-02-2023, 08:01 AM
I love the Tuscaloosa pick up. Long and rangy-fits the mold we established with Banks that has continued with Emerson and Forbes and Banks/Richardson this year.
ZedFedder
06-02-2023, 08:33 AM
Steve said the other day that we had waited to really make a push on some guys. I thought he was just trying to tow the company line. It seems he may have been right, though. We still aren?t going to get everyone, but I think we are in a much better spot than we thought.
Commercecomet24
06-02-2023, 08:35 AM
Im hearing the same. Looks like some people just needed a little patience.
Yes, this!
DEDawg
06-02-2023, 09:44 AM
3 commits in one day (2 four stars) and this board is almost quiet 😂 ...it's no fun if you can't complain***
Nice! Can we get names?
MetEdDawg
06-02-2023, 11:19 AM
Banks was showing as committed last night but is no longer showing as committed.
Any insight on that?
Goldendawg
06-02-2023, 12:04 PM
Luke Work commits, OT 6'6 285, Lausanne Collegiate school, Memphis, Tennessee. He is a lifetime state fan. His other sec offer is MO. There is a free article on genespage.
Goldendawg
06-02-2023, 12:05 PM
Banks was showing as committed last night but is no longer showing as committed.
Any insight on that?
He has moved from committed to favorite.
Tripp McNeely
06-02-2023, 12:06 PM
Banks was showing as committed last night but is no longer showing as committed.
Any insight on that?
He's committed. He just wants to have a date where he officially announces it around family, etc. So, the mods on those sites are giving him his day
Commercecomet24
06-02-2023, 01:26 PM
He has moved from committed to favorite.
Don't worry about Banks, he's in.
Cooterpoot
06-02-2023, 02:00 PM
👀 👀 👀
Commercecomet24
06-02-2023, 02:03 PM
I hear ya!
ZedFedder
06-02-2023, 09:12 PM
Steve put in a flip crystal ball for JJ Harrell.
Commercecomet24
06-02-2023, 10:22 PM
Steve put in a flip crystal ball for JJ Harrell.
We'll have some more in the boat in the near future.
Todd4State
06-03-2023, 11:57 PM
This staff no longer sucks.
Kudos to them for getting shit done
Recruiting in the NIL era is interesting. I'm glad they're figuring it out. Or whatever their plan was.
Odd that Ole Miss had so many in state guys commit so early. Not sure if they're speculating who we might add or what the deal is there. While in the meantime we're having big camp commitments.
I think the biggest thing IMO is getting Daniels to flip. Plus we need to clean out the state with the class of 2025. If we can do those two things I think we will be in really good shape talent wise. We have an elite QB prospect in Parson. And if we can pair him with Daniels who is an elite RB prospect, and add in multiple four star receiver prospects from the 2024 and 2025 class that should be a really talented offensive group. It looks like our o-line prospects are good too in terms of numbers unlike when Hevesy was here. I'm not worried about stars with offensive linemen because they're all projects unless they are freak shows like Charles Cross.
It looks like we're recruiting like we typically do on defense. For the 2023 class I think we added some solid guys that we can redshirt and develop for the most part although Isaac Smith may play as a freshman. I really like Kelley Jones. Just need to add some four star guys on this side of the ball for 2024 and 2025 and that should give us some good depth down the road.
Offshore Dawg
06-04-2023, 07:52 AM
Some recruits are probably waiting to see what State puts on the field this fall. Especially how the offense looks.
BankerDog
06-04-2023, 10:33 AM
Does anyone know the story on Daniel Hill and the Brown kid, OL from Bay St Louis?
KOdawg1
06-04-2023, 10:42 AM
Does anyone know the story on Daniel Hill and the Brown kid, OL from Bay St Louis?
Don't seem to be pushing hard for either rn
msu15
06-04-2023, 07:27 PM
Don't seem to be pushing hard for either rn
That would be a major mistake with Hill
BigDawg81
06-04-2023, 08:56 PM
Does anyone know the story on Daniel Hill and the Brown kid, OL from Bay St Louis? State is in Hill?s top 8 and he claims that he is a State fan. I think he is a South Carolina lean. We will see happens to him.
Goldendawg
06-04-2023, 09:20 PM
Does anyone know the story on Daniel Hill and the Brown kid, OL from Bay St Louis?
According to 24/7, the OL is a four star but biggest offer to date is from Cincy. His interview regarding his recent camp at State is a paid article. He only weighs 250, but that can be fixed with training table and weight room. I know nothing but his 24/7 profile.
ZedFedder
06-05-2023, 01:17 PM
Fred Clark is a dawg.
ZedFedder
06-05-2023, 04:55 PM
https://twitter.com/cantcover4/status/1665838921098428416
JJ Harrell
Commercecomet24
06-05-2023, 05:28 PM
Fred Clark is a dawg.
And more coming!
BigDawg81
06-05-2023, 06:34 PM
Does anyone know the story on Daniel Hill and the Brown kid, OL from Bay St Louis?
https://twitter.com/cantcover4/status/1665838921098428416
JJ Harrell
JJ & Stonka are a package deal. If State gets one then State gets the other.
Cowbell
06-05-2023, 06:41 PM
Where is KB? Wondering what miracle turnaround we have had to recruiting
ZedFedder
06-05-2023, 06:49 PM
Yeah, KB has gone radio silent.
ZedFedder
06-05-2023, 08:20 PM
JJ Harrell has decommitted from Tennessee.
msu15
06-05-2023, 08:33 PM
JJ & Stonka are a package deal. If State gets one then State gets the other.
Mannnnnnnn, don't tease
Commercecomet24
06-05-2023, 09:21 PM
JJ Harrell has decommitted from Tennessee.
😎
Cowbell
06-05-2023, 09:24 PM
Boys - arnette is the real deal. I seriously believe he could be our Mike Gundy/Dabo Swinney. I'm not saying he's gonna win a title but times are about to be fun again. And he ain't gonna be lookin for greener grass.
Commercecomet24
06-05-2023, 09:28 PM
Boys - arnette is the real deal. I seriously believe he could be our Mike Gundy/Dabo Swinney. I'm not saying he's gonna win a title but times are about to be fun again. And he ain't gonna be lookin for greener grass.
When you have someone who is as intense a competitor as Arnette he's gonna figure out a way to get it done!
Cowbell
06-05-2023, 09:45 PM
When you have someone who is as intense a competitor as Arnette he's gonna figure out a way to get it done!
These guys are excited to play for him. The mentality we have had on defense now encompasses our entire team and it's showing.
And then the stuff about him picking up trash after the camp...attitude reflects leadership
Bothrops
06-05-2023, 09:59 PM
I love the instate WRs too
Tater
06-05-2023, 11:58 PM
These guys are excited to play for him. The mentality we have had on defense now encompasses our entire team and it's showing.
And then the stuff about him picking up trash after the camp...attitude reflects leadership
Sorry but I'm already out on him because he didn't have a top 10 class committed before holding his first camp. I'm already searching the coaching transfer portal for in two years when we've not won the Super Bowl three times already. Bill Belichek may be available to be the DC but idk if his resume is good enough. He hasn't even won Super Bowls at a 50% clip as a HC. Andy Reid would be a viable choice for OC if he repeats his out put from this year the next two years. Id be interested to give him a short leash there. Then for HC we gotta hope that Andy Cannizaro hasn't been scooped up. We need a real recruiter heading the ship and his one year of full recruiting cycle showed me he's the perfect man we could hope for.
BigDawg81
06-06-2023, 07:24 AM
Does anyone know the story on Daniel Hill and the Brown kid, OL from Bay St Louis?
Also, I?m hearing that Beavers isn?t fully committed to Ole Miss. It is something to monitor
ZedFedder
06-06-2023, 09:57 AM
Two observations from someone who is definitely not in the know and just follows recruiting passively.
1. Because of NIL, you are going to see early and quick commits. You have a junior in HS on a visit and they get told they have a $50k deal when their parent doesn?t even make that in a year? Yeah, they?re going to commit.
2. But, I think this will also lead to more decommits later. Other teams are going to match or exceed those early offers, and kids are going to reevaluate moreso based on the schools they actually feel best at. I think that?s exactly what happened with Fred ?Fat? Clark.
I say all this to say, I think our coaches are doing it right. They lost out on guys early probably because we weren?t about to put $ on the table without the kid and the coaches knowing each other better. Once that is established and we know we want the kid, then you move forward.
Again, a lot of this is speculation but it seems we overshot in worrying early. Sure, we may lose a guy or two as well, but I think we have been shown we can trust the staff pretty well.
Cowbell
06-06-2023, 08:13 PM
Sorry but I'm already out on him because he didn't have a top 10 class committed before holding his first camp. I'm already searching the coaching transfer portal for in two years when we've not won the Super Bowl three times already. Bill Belichek may be available to be the DC but idk if his resume is good enough. He hasn't even won Super Bowls at a 50% clip as a HC. Andy Reid would be a viable choice for OC if he repeats his out put from this year the next two years. Id be interested to give him a short leash there. Then for HC we gotta hope that Andy Cannizaro hasn't been scooped up. We need a real recruiter heading the ship and his one year of full recruiting cycle showed me he's the perfect man we could hope for.
Bravo
maroonmania
06-06-2023, 09:00 PM
Boys - arnette is the real deal. I seriously believe he could be our Mike Gundy/Dabo Swinney. I'm not saying he's gonna win a title but times are about to be fun again. And he ain't gonna be lookin for greener grass.
Well, he wasn't hired by Cohen as HC so he's at least got that going for him.
MetEdDawg
06-06-2023, 09:19 PM
Anyone know anything about this TE commit? Rayfield Lotten? Unranked and shows only an offer from Florida State a year ago. 6' 6" and there's nothing else on the profile.
I'm assuming walk on but that's odd with him showing an FSU offer.
msu15
06-07-2023, 07:05 AM
Anyone know anything about this TE commit? Rayfield Lotten? Unranked and shows only an offer from Florida State a year ago. 6' 6" and there's nothing else on the profile.
I'm assuming walk on but that's odd with him showing an FSU offer.
Yep if I recall correctly on a recent boneyard, Steve said he's walking on for this season.
Goldendawg
06-07-2023, 07:28 PM
New commit this morning: Xavier Gayten from Brookhaven, Athlete, not yet ranked, 6' 0", listed from 160 to 190 depending on where you look. Ran for over 1500 yards last year. Ran a true 4.41 at our camp and excels in track also. Projected as a S or RB. Steve says will blow up as year goes on. Offers from OM and USM. Wants to go to vet school. Good take. Hail State! (2 Free article about him on genespage).
msu15
06-07-2023, 07:32 PM
New commit this morning: Xavier Gayten from Brookhaven, Athlete, not yet ranked from Brookhaven 6' 0", listed from 160 to 190 depending on where you look. Ran for over 1500 yards last year. Ran a true 4.41 at our camp and excels in track also. Projected as a S or RB. Steve says will blow up as year goes on. Offers from OM and USM. Wants to go to vet school. Good take. Hail State! (Noted on sixpack and genespage much earlier today, as this site is crickets).
Paul Jones also says he's going to be a safety. That would really help with our recruitments of Daniel Hill and Kahnen Daniels
Cowbell
06-07-2023, 09:18 PM
It gets so quiet when the haters can't hate
Tater
06-08-2023, 08:50 AM
Some food for thought on rankings.
Recruiting services have gotten noticeably worse and lazier on assigning stars to kids. They're more reactionary than proactive these days. If bama signs a 3 star, they signed a 4 star. If an sec school signs an unranked kid, they signed a 3 star.
It's worse than ever in "expert" prediction. So do your own due diligence if you want. Otherwise stars are largely meaningless.
Todd4State
06-08-2023, 11:55 PM
Paul Jones also says he's going to be a safety. That would really help with our recruitments of Daniel Hill and Kahnen Daniels
Probably depends on if we get those two or not. But it's certainly possible.
Cooterpoot
06-09-2023, 07:56 AM
I can say this, our coaches know just about every possible player in MS. You wouldn't believe the number of guys they're following that never get mention. Kids that are good but they need to see more of, kids they know are Juco bound but will follow, etc etc. There's a ton of "other" talent in MS right now. The kind Dan Mullen used to find routinely. Talent pool is really deep the next couple years.
Commercecomet24
06-09-2023, 08:56 AM
I can say this, our coaches know just about every possible player in MS. You wouldn't believe the number of guys they're following that never get mention. Kids that are good but they need to see more of, kids they know are Juco bound but will follow, etc etc. There's a ton of "other" talent in MS right now. The kind Dan Mullen used to find routinely. Talent pool is really deep the next couple years.
I will say this staff is not letting any grass grow under their feet! Arnett is not gonna be outworked.
msu15
06-09-2023, 09:14 AM
I will say this staff is not letting any grass grow under their feet! Arnett is not gonna be outworked.
Love it, exactly how anyone on our staff has to be if we want to have the best chance at maintaining a successful program.
Tripp McNeely
06-09-2023, 11:05 AM
So, Jimothy Lewis skipped Oxford today and decided to go to Starkvegas instead...David Johnson is "shocked" by this development...you gotta love recruiting!! 😂😂
MrCoachKlein
06-09-2023, 05:24 PM
I will say this staff is not letting any grass grow under their feet! Arnett is not gonna be outworked.
I've always been more inclined towards the offensive hire, but I could not like the CZA hire any more than I do. He just seems like the perfect fit for an underdog team that consistently punches above its weight class. Everything about this dude is MSU and I don't think he'll run off for more prestige or a bit more $.
BuckyIsAB****
06-09-2023, 10:09 PM
Arnett is more one of us than some of us are. Leach knew what he was doing
BuckyIsAB****
06-09-2023, 10:10 PM
I can say this, our coaches know just about every possible player in MS. You wouldn't believe the number of guys they're following that never get mention. Kids that are good but they need to see more of, kids they know are Juco bound but will follow, etc etc. There's a ton of "other" talent in MS right now. The kind Dan Mullen used to find routinely. Talent pool is really deep the next couple years.
Coaches too.
Todd4State
06-10-2023, 01:26 AM
So, Jimothy Lewis skipped Oxford today and decided to go to Starkvegas instead...David Johnson is "shocked" by this development...you gotta love recruiting!!
Actually him showing up to MSU's campus did surprise me.
ZedFedder
06-10-2023, 07:03 AM
Actually him showing up to MSU's campus did surprise me.
Isn?t he originally from Jackson? I haven?t heard his name in a long time.
Pancho
06-10-2023, 07:04 AM
He did supposedly go to oxfart yesterday
msu15
06-10-2023, 09:37 AM
Arnett is more one of us than some of us are. Leach knew what he was doing
When I got to meet and talk with him at the Reliaquest I had the exact sentiment.
Todd4State
06-10-2023, 10:04 AM
Isn?t he originally from Jackson? I haven?t heard his name in a long time.
He went to MRA at one point in time. Not sure if he lived in Madison or another part of Jackson.
Cooterpoot
06-11-2023, 08:34 AM
Coaches too.
I can't think of a coach who doesn't like Arnett. The guy is straight up positive energy. He's honest with people and works his ass off. The staff is everywhere.
BuckyIsAB****
06-11-2023, 11:18 AM
Barbay has impressed me so far too.
If people knew how big of an asshole Dan Mullen could be opinions would change
StarkVegasSteve
06-11-2023, 11:58 AM
Barbay has impressed me so far too.
If people knew how big of an asshole Dan Mullen could be opinions would change
You mean to tell me there were people who thought Dan was not a complete ass??? Hell, I like Dan a lot and there has never been an ounce of doubt of how big of an asshole he was.
AROB44
06-11-2023, 12:30 PM
Barbay has impressed me so far too.
If people knew how big of an asshole Dan Mullen could be opinions would change
Him being an asshole was just fine with me as long as he was winning. On that note, is there any prior coach in any sport, with the exception of JWS, that is not trashed on our message boards?
BuckyIsAB****
06-11-2023, 01:17 PM
You have to be a hardass to win but you dont have to treat everyone who isnt you like they are blessed to be in your presence. Mullen is a good coach no doubt glad he was here but I wont say he was fun to be around or that he left the right way
Offshore Dawg
06-11-2023, 03:49 PM
Yankee, but he was our damn Yankee.
StarkVegasSteve
06-11-2023, 07:15 PM
You have to be a hardass to win but you dont have to treat everyone who isnt you like they are blessed to be in your presence. Mullen is a good coach no doubt glad he was here but I wont say he was fun to be around or that he left the right way
Agreed. He is A LOT better to be around now than he was 6 years ago. And definitely night and day difference from the day he walked in the door in 2009.
BuckyIsAB****
06-11-2023, 09:38 PM
The only reason I brought Mullen up was because these guys are just night and day compared to him to be around or have a conversation with
Commercecomet24
06-12-2023, 10:45 AM
Arnett is more one of us than some of us are. Leach knew what he was doing
100% this!
Commercecomet24
06-12-2023, 10:46 AM
I can't think of a coach who doesn't like Arnett. The guy is straight up positive energy. He's honest with people and works his ass off. The staff is everywhere.
Yes word is getting around. This staff is working their butts off!
MetEdDawg
06-12-2023, 01:16 PM
New OL commit. Kison Shepard OL from Germantown
Anyone know anything on him? He's showing some very low level offers alongside some pretty high level offers. Not much in the middle.
Offshore Dawg
06-12-2023, 01:48 PM
Yes word is getting around. This staff is working their butts off!
That will definitely ruin the narrative of some people 🙄
DEDawg
06-12-2023, 03:26 PM
New OL commit. Kison Shepard OL from Germantown
Anyone know anything on him? He's showing some very low level offers alongside some pretty high level offers. Not much in the middle.
Buddy is a coach there. Says he has the legit size listed (6?5 315) and is athletic. Got some nasty to him too. Will need a lot of work on feet and technique. Good redshirt guy for us
Tater
06-12-2023, 04:53 PM
Some food for thought on rankings.
Recruiting services have gotten noticeably worse and lazier on assigning stars to kids. They're more reactionary than proactive these days. If bama signs a 3 star, they signed a 4 star. If an sec school signs an unranked kid, they signed a 3 star.
It's worse than ever in "expert" prediction. So do your own due diligence if you want. Otherwise stars are largely meaningless.
Xavier Gayten commits on 6/7 as unranked.
Xavier Gayten is listed as 3* on 6/10.
As if recruiting stars needed less meaning.
I trust in this staff to find guys who embody the Mississippi State toughness while showing enough talent to compete in the SEC. As long as we have a full class, I don't care how many stupid stars rankings we get.
Cowbell
06-12-2023, 09:06 PM
That GIF arnette posts will never get old. It's getting to be an every other day thing!
Homedawg
06-14-2023, 05:21 PM
For those of you who were dogging our staff for offering the academy TE out of bama, can laugh at yourselves now. Bama offered him. I'm sure when he commits to them he will be a high 4 star. He is a freak. Hate bama offered. But part of it.
Commercecomet24
06-14-2023, 05:39 PM
For those of you who were dogging our staff for offering the academy TE out of bama, can laugh at yourselves now. Bama offered him. I'm sure when he commits to them he will be a high 4 star. He is a freak. Hate bama offered. But part of it.
Lol appears our HC and his staff might just have an eye for talent and have a plan in place.
Cooterpoot
06-14-2023, 10:20 PM
For those of you who were dogging our staff for offering the academy TE out of bama, can laugh at yourselves now. Bama offered him. I'm sure when he commits to them he will be a high 4 star. He is a freak. Hate bama offered. But part of it.
Wasn't even the best TE at camp. But he's better than the talk was.
Todd4State
06-15-2023, 12:24 AM
For those of you who were dogging our staff for offering the academy TE out of bama, can laugh at yourselves now. Bama offered him. I'm sure when he commits to them he will be a high 4 star. He is a freak. Hate bama offered. But part of it.
Too many people look at the schools that players go to and make assumptions.
msu15
06-15-2023, 07:07 AM
Wasn't even the best TE at camp. But he's better than the talk was.
Who was the best?
MrCoachKlein
06-15-2023, 09:19 AM
Too many people look at the schools that players go to and make assumptions.
Too many people look at stars by crap rating sites. Seeing offers from elite teams/coaches means more to me than a fake number ESPN puts on someone.
KOdawg1
06-15-2023, 09:54 AM
Too many people look at stars by crap rating sites. Seeing offers from elite teams/coaches means more to me than a fake number ESPN puts on someone.
ESPN is worthless anyway and has been for some time
MrCoachKlein
06-15-2023, 09:57 AM
ESPN is worthless anyway and has been for some time
Yeah, I wish 247 would take them out of the composite. At least 247 and Rivals try a little bit.
KOdawg1
06-18-2023, 03:50 PM
Looks like our private commit of two weeks is about to "flip" to Ole Miss. 4* safety from Tuscaloosa.
According to the OM people at least.
That'll sting.
ZedFedder
06-18-2023, 04:09 PM
He just committed to OM. What a way to go from beloved future bulldog to public enemy number one haha! Guys like this usually don?t pan out. I?m not concerned.
HancockCountyDog
06-18-2023, 04:10 PM
Looks like our private commit of two weeks is about to "flip" to Ole Miss. 4* safety from Tuscaloosa.
According to the OM people at least.
That'll sting.
Thats fine - I expect a commitment from JJ Harrell any day now and the shitbirds think they have him wrapped up.
Leeshouldveflanked
06-18-2023, 04:21 PM
He just committed to OM. What a way to go from beloved future bulldog to public enemy number one haha! Guys like this usually don?t pan out. I?m not concerned.
Does secret commits count toward Flipmas?
maroonmania
06-18-2023, 04:43 PM
He just committed to OM. What a way to go from beloved future bulldog to public enemy number one haha! Guys like this usually don?t pan out. I?m not concerned.
Sure he is a good player and hate that we lost him (assuming he does indeed sign with Ole Miss) but if he was a true difference maker and from Tuscaloosa wouldn't Saban have offered?
KOdawg1
06-18-2023, 05:49 PM
Apparently committed to our staff two weeks ago, secretly visited OM yesterday, and flipped today.
Doubt a kid with that kind of character does much in life. History shows that kids who love recruiting games rarely amount to much. Not gonna freak out too much with this one.
Pancho
06-19-2023, 05:44 AM
It's called Ca$h, folks. That is all.
Tripp McNeely
06-19-2023, 08:07 AM
Sure he is a good player and hate that we lost him (assuming he does indeed sign with Ole Miss) but if he was a true difference maker and from Tuscaloosa wouldn't Saban have offered?
I wonder if it's a Willie Gay situation, where they offer him a certain amount just to verbally commit, then he signs with us in December and takes their money?
BuckyIsAB****
06-19-2023, 05:28 PM
It's called Ca$h, folks. That is all.
Giving any player cash that has not done it on this level is stupid
Tripp McNeely
06-19-2023, 05:29 PM
Giving any player cash that has not done it on this level is stupid
Rumor on the om board is that they paid that Simmons kid $1.5mm!!!
Homedawg
06-19-2023, 06:41 PM
Rumor on the om board is that they paid that Simmons kid $1.5mm!!!
I call bs
ZedFedder
06-19-2023, 06:53 PM
PJ Woodland committing tmrw.
Tripp McNeely
06-19-2023, 07:15 PM
I call bs
I hope they did. Let them waste money on him and Howard because one of those 2 guys is not likely to be there in 2 years
KOdawg1
06-19-2023, 07:21 PM
PJ Woodland committing tmrw.
Good get. He's probably not a take for LSU, but if he's good enough to get offered by them, Texas A&M, Texas, and others, the kid can play.
msu15
06-20-2023, 10:58 AM
PJ commits
ZedFedder
06-20-2023, 01:51 PM
Another commit incoming it seems.
BigDawg81
06-20-2023, 02:24 PM
Another commit incoming it seems.sounds like Stonka Burnside
confucius say
06-20-2023, 02:26 PM
sounds like Stonka Burnside
And Harrell?
BigDawg81
06-20-2023, 02:37 PM
And Harrell? Package Deal? I think so.
Homedawg
06-20-2023, 03:24 PM
Where is kb??? He get banned or just a chicken.
MetEdDawg
06-20-2023, 03:25 PM
Harrell in.
Can't wait to see everyone come retract their statements about Bumphis being a bad hire when Harrell specifically mentions him being an MS guy and knowing where Harrell came from.
Cooterpoot
06-20-2023, 03:44 PM
Just checking in on recruiting lol
Leroy Jenkins
06-20-2023, 03:47 PM
This staff can't 'croo...
https://twitter.com/jjharrell_4/status/1671260602910789633?s=46&t=DGtd-fTS2I8QetuRZ9flcA
BigDawg81
06-20-2023, 05:06 PM
Stonka Burnside commits
Jarius
06-20-2023, 05:12 PM
Just remember that we got rid of the best offensive coaching staff we have ever had to hire guys who were going to lock down this state.
We sure did, bitch.
MetEdDawg
06-20-2023, 05:26 PM
We sure did, bitch.
This guy keeps receipts. I like it
Offshore Dawg
06-20-2023, 05:34 PM
He who gets the last laugh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smiles the most.
Homedawg
06-20-2023, 06:00 PM
Paging KB. Even better is what wr would want to play here?? Pretty close to what he said. I expect him to respond to this like he did about taking up my offer to meet Will friend
Cowbell
06-20-2023, 06:25 PM
Paging KB. Even better is what wr would want to play here?? Pretty close to what he said. I expect him to respond to this like he did about taking up my offer to meet Will friend
Homedawg when's the last time we had a day like this?!
Cowbell
06-20-2023, 06:35 PM
Looks like we got a tight end today too. The Washington kid - is he the kid that blew everyone away at camp?
Homedawg
06-20-2023, 06:52 PM
Homedawg when's the last time we had a day like this?!
I can't remember. Maybe one day w Dan at a camp??? Maybe. Almost had one more.
DEDawg
06-20-2023, 07:04 PM
Lets goooooo
Bothrops
06-20-2023, 07:07 PM
I can't remember. Maybe one day w Dan at a camp??? Maybe. Almost had one more.
Dan had a day like this I wanna say 11-12 years ago now. One of them was a WR that Ole Miss later flipped and barely ever played. Can't remember his name but it was like three 4 star guys that jumped in that day. Maybe one signed with us.
msu15
06-20-2023, 08:44 PM
2014 big dawg camp is the only one close. Had like 7-8 guys commit that night, couple of 4 stars(Jamal Peters and Nick Gibson maybe?), and Leo Lewis decomitted from Ole Miss.
civildawg
06-20-2023, 08:46 PM
Any info on the Bama TE? Figured he would have flipped to Bama already or is Bama just keeping him warm?
Westdawg
06-20-2023, 09:36 PM
I?m outta the loop lately with personal stuff.
Who committed this week? And something about a TE that Bama is after??
No ** , I?m legit asking and I?m not going back 3-5 pages to find out lol
Tater
06-20-2023, 10:53 PM
I?m outta the loop lately with personal stuff.
Who committed this week? And something about a TE that Bama is after??
No ** , I?m legit asking and I?m not going back 3-5 pages to find out lol
4* WR JJ Harrell. 4* ATH/WR Braylon Burnside. 4* ATH/CB PJ Woodland.
We're now #20 in the nation at 13 total commits. So even the crowd who cares about stars should be appeased.
Cowbell
06-20-2023, 11:02 PM
I can't remember. Maybe one day w Dan at a camp??? Maybe. Almost had one more.
I think we have a shot at another one in the next couple days
KOdawg1
06-20-2023, 11:04 PM
Bumphis has his work cut out for him. Needs to flip White and Harrell.
I'm afraid he may be the WR version of T-Buck.
Wonder if you still feel this way?
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:35 PM
The concern with Bumphis is that he was brought here to help ?lock down the State of MS? with his ?connections? and name ability. That?s what was sold when we hired him. Now three of the top WR prospects in the state are committed to Tenn, Ark, and OM. OM is also now favored for the DL out of the Coast-meanwhile we are suppose to be the premier DL school in the southeast. What gives?
Top two WRs in the state are committed to state.
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:45 PM
Well, we decided to go with an offensive style that requires elite, NFL talent at the skill positions to have any success, and we have yet to recruit a single potential NFL talent at WR or RB.
We haven't played a down of football since this post and it's been proven wrong.
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:48 PM
We're just getting flat out recruited right now.
We're ahead of both Alabama and Ole Miss now.
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:56 PM
Zach is just getting absolutely bent over by Lane right now. Welcome to the big chair.
Is he?
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:57 PM
We will have to see what happens in the end but you can?t say anything other than that this is disappointing.
You could say it's early. It still is. But lol.
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:58 PM
Bout to blow up the recruiting trail
This guy knew what he was talking bout. Have some rep coot.
Tater
06-20-2023, 11:59 PM
3 commits in one day (2 four stars) and this board is almost quiet 😂 ...it's no fun if you can't complain***
You've heard of 3 commits with 2 of them 4*s in one day, but have you heard of 3 commits with all 3 of them four stars in one day?
BankerDog
06-21-2023, 12:35 AM
Top two WRs in the state are committed to state.
Just as everyone was saying not to overreact, I?ll say get them signed. Good job getting back Harrell though. Need to get them signed though.
Todd4State
06-21-2023, 03:27 AM
Wonder if you still feel this way?
No I don't feel that way anymore. As I said at that time he had his work cut out for him which was true and to his credit he has gotten the recruits he needed to land.
Credit where credit is due.
The biggest surprise to me in hindsight is how it appears that NIL has affected recruiting. Looks to me like Ole Miss has used a strategy of pay to commit early and build early momentum while we have better overall recruiters at the end of the day which seem to building better relationships with the players. Not sure if this is going to be the norm going forward or if it was just simply us having a mostly new staff whereas Ole Miss had a more intact staff and we just simply made up ground.
At the end of the day if we get the best players we can we will be in good shape going forward.
Cooterpoot
06-21-2023, 07:22 AM
We aren't done. I feel like we've got a good shot at at least two or three more 4 star guys. Not saying we get them all, but a shot.
msu15
06-21-2023, 08:06 AM
We aren't done. I feel like we've got a good shot at at least two or three more 4 star guys. Not saying we get them all, but a shot.
I know I've done my part on Daniel Hill the past 2 years but I don't think we get him at this time. How's Kahnen Daniels looking?
MetEdDawg
06-21-2023, 08:10 AM
We aren't done. I feel like we've got a good shot at at least two or three more 4 star guys. Not saying we get them all, but a shot.
Do you think we might could get some of these kids that have early committed out of state? I can't help but think yesterday may have helped us tremendously in that area. I think 8 of the Top 20 in state are committed out of state and with a deep class like this it would be nice to get a few more to stay with us.
Joebob
06-21-2023, 09:17 AM
Just as everyone was saying not to overreact, I?ll say get them signed. Good job getting back Harrell though. Need to get them signed though.
Yeah, we can't really celebrate until they're signed, but at least we're on the right side of things right now. If we're getting these commits because of the relationships that the coaches are building with the kids, I've got to think that we've got an excellent chance at keeping most of them.
Tater
06-21-2023, 10:06 AM
Yeah, we can't really celebrate until they're signed, but at least we're on the right side of things right now. If we're getting these commits because of the relationships that the coaches are building with the kids, I've got to think that we've got an excellent chance at keeping most of them.
Then you should have been here with me telling others to be patient when they were being negative super early in the process. I'm just giving the same level of energy those folks had.
KOdawg1
06-21-2023, 01:36 PM
We aren't done. I feel like we've got a good shot at at least two or three more 4 star guys. Not saying we get them all, but a shot.
Need to flip Noreel White and Kahnen Daniels.
I know UF has Daniels and his family a pretty good set up, but that's one we just can't lose.
DEDawg
06-21-2023, 01:39 PM
Need to flip Noreel White and Kahnen Daniels.
I know UF has Daniels and his family a pretty good set up, but that's one we just can't lose.
No inside info but think we get Daniels after the season. Napier over his head and we put the press on in late Nov
Cooterpoot
06-21-2023, 04:05 PM
I know I've done my part on Daniel Hill the past 2 years but I don't think we get him at this time. How's Kahnen Daniels looking?
I think Daniels is still in play. Better than I thought. Decent with Beavers and White too. A couple of those have some things to sort through. I've got faith in Arnett and the staff to get some things done.
thenewpm83
06-21-2023, 10:20 PM
Could it be We are building ourselves a network boys?
TrapGame
06-22-2023, 01:11 PM
I think Daniels is still in play. Better than I thought. Decent with Beavers and White too. A couple of those have some things to sort through. I've got faith in Arnett and the staff to get some things done.
Chuck Oliver was talking about Daniels with a 24/7 national guy today. The 24/7 guy said it ain't over with Daniels. He's with Florida "for now."
Cooterpoot
06-22-2023, 03:36 PM
Do you think we might could get some of these kids that have early committed out of state? I can't help but think yesterday may have helped us tremendously in that area. I think 8 of the Top 20 in state are committed out of state and with a deep class like this it would be nice to get a few more to stay with us.
Daniels maybe but that's probably about it until they hit the portal.
BuckyIsAB****
06-22-2023, 07:54 PM
Hill was not the same last year as he was as a Soph. He was unbelievable that year im not sure he is over that injury mentally
msu15
06-23-2023, 08:01 AM
Hill was not the same last year as he was as a Soph. He was unbelievable that year im not sure he is over that injury mentally
I agree. I also think he was misused offensively. We'll see what the new Coach from Petal does with him(though as of this typing, Daniel is our quarterback because we don't have anybody else, only 8 freaking seniors on the team).
BuckyIsAB****
06-23-2023, 08:28 AM
I agree. I also think he was misused offensively. We'll see what the new Coach from Petal does with him(though as of this typing, Daniel is our quarterback because we don't have anybody else, only 8 freaking seniors on the team).
I had heard he was playing QB. Boyles is one of the best coaches Ive ever coached against. He will figure it out. I imagine Hill will be running a lot of power/zone read
Cooterpoot
06-23-2023, 11:03 AM
I had heard he was playing QB. Boyles is one of the best coaches Ive ever coached against. He will figure it out. I imagine Hill will be running a lot of power/zone read
Similar usage as Anthony Alford at Petal. Ball in the best athletes hands.
msu15
06-23-2023, 01:14 PM
Similar usage as Anthony Alford at Petal. Ball in the best athletes hands.
Yep
BuckyIsAB****
06-24-2023, 07:01 AM
Similar usage as Anthony Alford at Petal. Ball in the best athletes hands.
All respect to Hill but Alford could actually play QB
DCdawg
06-24-2023, 07:30 PM
Anybody got the scoop on today's commitment watch?
662dawg
06-24-2023, 08:13 PM
Anybody got the scoop on today's commitment watch?
Jimothy Lewis 4* OL from IMG Academy
Todd4State
06-24-2023, 09:06 PM
Jimothy Lewis 4* OL from IMG Academy
John Hevesy ain't here no more boys.**
Cooterpoot
06-24-2023, 10:25 PM
OM assholes are hurting.
msu15
06-25-2023, 12:18 AM
Arnett is that dude.
Bothrops
06-25-2023, 12:42 AM
Just here to say, Yes Sir!!!
Todd4State
06-25-2023, 12:54 AM
I'm starting to believe that they can get Kamarion Franklin and Jamonta Waller.
I'm only half kidding.
This is the most drastic recruiting turnaround I've ever seen. I know it's a long way to go but we've gone from like two commits to start May to a top 20 class on 247 right now.
Todd4State
06-25-2023, 12:59 AM
And if we do get a top 20 class and stack it with another top 20 class from the 2025 recruits plus add in Parson at QB we could be looking at a 1999 or 2014 type season in the near future.
Leeshouldveflanked
06-25-2023, 06:42 AM
Give to Bulldog Initiative.
Cooterpoot
06-25-2023, 07:33 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/L6nHGJwJ/IMG-4835.jpg
Cooterpoot
06-25-2023, 08:03 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/JnzCwhK6/IMG-4840.jpg
Offshore Dawg
06-25-2023, 08:20 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/JnzCwhK6/IMG-4840.jpg
Sick puppy !!!
KOdawg1
06-25-2023, 09:01 AM
We've started to figure this NIL stuff out.
That and these guys recruit their asses off.
We've got more momentum than I think I've ever seen
Homedawg
06-25-2023, 09:25 AM
I'm starting to believe that they can get Kamarion Franklin and Jamonta Waller.
I'm only half kidding.
This is the most drastic recruiting turnaround I've ever seen. I know it's a long way to go but we've gone from like two commits to start May to a top 20 class on 247 right now.
While I see you're half kidding but those two are dead in the water. But, Daniels and white are not. Would love to pull them. Still hope here
BigDawg81
06-25-2023, 09:48 AM
While I see you're half kidding but those two are dead in the water. But, Daniels and white are not. Would love to pull them. Still hope hereI am not sure that Beavers recruitment is closed. Just keep recruiting
Westdawg
06-25-2023, 11:52 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/JnzCwhK6/IMG-4840.jpg
Maybe just a little too soon for some
Homedawg
06-25-2023, 06:18 PM
I am not sure that Beavers recruitment is closed. Just keep recruiting
Agree. I was talking about Franklin and walker. Beavers still in play. I expect echoles as well.
Pancho
06-25-2023, 06:51 PM
is echols not a MSU commit currently?
Homedawg
06-25-2023, 07:55 PM
is echols not a MSU commit currently?
No. For now.....
Pancho
06-26-2023, 05:23 AM
is he committed somewhere else at the moment?
TaleofTwoDogs
06-26-2023, 12:27 PM
is he committed somewhere else at the moment?
If you are referring to Jonathan Echols out of IMG Academy in Florida, he committed to TENN a couple of weeks ago.
Cooterpoot
06-26-2023, 12:53 PM
If you are referring to Jonathan Echols out of IMG Academy in Florida, he committed to TENN a couple of weeks ago.
Wrong guy. Echols from MS.
ZedFedder
06-26-2023, 04:03 PM
New 2024 commit incoming. Paul just tweeted his gif.
662dawg
06-26-2023, 05:05 PM
New 2024 commit incoming. Paul just tweeted his gif.
Tyler Carter. 6'6 250 lb 88 3* from Vicksburg.
This is my favorite commit so far. I truly believe he has more NFL potential of any of them. And we have some good ones
Tater
06-26-2023, 05:56 PM
Tyler Carter. 6'6 250 lb 88 3* from Vicksburg.
This is my favorite commit so far. I truly believe he has more NFL potential of any of them. And we have some good ones
Shows as unranked on the composite so he actually brought our average down.
Fun times. Can't wait for the expert rankings to give him a high 3* because he committed to an SEC school. Kid's film is phenomenal and measurables are there. Haven't researched enough of the talent he was going against, but if it's halfway decent then it could be a late riser commit that we'll have to work to fend off some serious offers.
Goldendawg
06-26-2023, 06:04 PM
Wrong guy. Echols from MS.
He is showing warm to five sec teams. I have been told he is a lean towards us.
Cooterpoot
06-26-2023, 06:25 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/hPLhCYx2/IMG-4852.jpg
Homedawg
06-26-2023, 09:18 PM
He is showing warm to five sec teams. I have been told he is a lean towards us.
Read above. I expect him next. Thought he would be before Carter
msu15
06-26-2023, 09:25 PM
Read above. I expect him next. Thought he would be before Carter
I see Woodard is committing in a couple of weeks. We taking him again?
Cooterpoot
06-26-2023, 09:44 PM
I've got a feeling we might see two more in the boat real soon. We'll see.
BigDawg81
06-27-2023, 07:54 AM
Shows as unranked on the composite so he actually brought our average down.
Fun times. Can't wait for the expert rankings to give him a high 3* because he committed to an SEC school. Kid's film is phenomenal and measurables are there. Haven't researched enough of the talent he was going against, but if it's halfway decent then it could be a late riser commit that we'll have to work to fend off some serious offers.
247 is the only service to rank him. They have him ranked as a 88 which is a high 3*. Rivals and ESPN will have him ranked after more film comes out. The staff jump on him early cause they believe his is going to blow up. See Jonathan Davis from last year
SilentSteel16
06-27-2023, 09:05 AM
You all do know that these rankings are only on the kids that go to these camps right? If a kid is top 10 it does not mean top 10 nationally. It literally means top 10 of 247 camp attendees. Don?t get hung up on the star rankings, there are tons of NFL talent guys who never received a star because they never went to ratings camps.
Cooterpoot
06-27-2023, 09:34 PM
You all do know that these rankings are only on the kids that go to these camps right? If a kid is top 10 it does not mean top 10 nationally. It literally means top 10 of 247 camp attendees. Don?t get hung up on the star rankings, there are tons of NFL talent guys who never received a star because they never went to ratings camps.
Incorrect
SilentSteel16
06-27-2023, 09:39 PM
Yes it is correct. 247 rankings come from camp rankings whether that be 247, Rivals, Scout etc..no exposure camps usually mean No rankings. You can get rankings off of offers alone but that normally doesn’t happen. You get offers by attending Big Dawg camp or the equivalent at other schools. Star raters are not normally at those type camps. Money grab…..
SilentSteel16
06-27-2023, 09:44 PM
My nephew is going through this process as we speak. He was literally told ?if you want a star ranking, you have to go to this camp at this time.?
SilentSteel16
06-27-2023, 10:08 PM
247 does a composite of either their own camps or the ratings from about 2-3 other sources/camps. If a kid does not attend an exposure camp early on, he does not normally get seen by people who rate stars. So yes, you have to attend certain events or have someone very well connected in your corner.
Tater
06-28-2023, 07:35 PM
247 is the only service to rank him. They have him ranked as a 88 which is a high 3*. Rivals and ESPN will have him ranked after more film comes out. The staff jump on him early cause they believe his is going to blow up. See Jonathan Davis from last year
Rivals has now already ranked him and state jumped Ole Miss in the overall rankings cause of it.
Next is on3 and espn to do the same. Like I said though, these guys typically just see SEC commit and blanket 3*. Carter's film looks like a high 4* to me. He's got a huge ceiling imo.
Ari Gold
06-28-2023, 09:40 PM
Carter won’t be a 3 star when the updated rankings come out before signing day
Cooterpoot
06-29-2023, 10:06 AM
If Turner is happier than a teenage girl dating the QB, then Carter has a chance to be great. Turner was a huge get for the staff. Good as it gets.
Goldendawg
06-29-2023, 10:39 PM
My source says we will have another 4 star commit Saturday, but has no idea who it is.
Leeshouldveflanked
06-30-2023, 06:56 AM
We really need another DT
Tripp McNeely
06-30-2023, 08:03 AM
We really need another DT
Seems like were probably going portal or Juco for that spot (or probably "spots" 2ish more) unless we can flip Beavers
Cooterpoot
06-30-2023, 03:56 PM
Seems like were probably going portal or Juco for that spot (or probably "spots" 2ish more) unless we can flip Beavers
I'm not saying forget about Beavers, but you probably should file back for a move later
BorneDawg
07-01-2023, 08:41 AM
My source says we will have another 4 star commit Saturday, but has no idea who it is.
Echoles? He is announcing today at 12
ZedFedder
07-01-2023, 08:58 AM
He isn?t a four star, but if we get him, he?s a really good get.
ZedFedder
07-01-2023, 09:01 AM
Houston (Miss.) High lineman William Echoles will commit at 1 pm EST with Arkansas, Auburn and Missouri hosting him for an official in June and Ole Miss and Mississippi State being two others he?s strongly considered. The intel favors the Rebels who likes him on the defensive line.
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That is from a national 247 article so we will see.
Homedawg
07-01-2023, 09:25 AM
Houston (Miss.) High lineman William Echoles will commit at 1 pm EST with Arkansas, Auburn and Missouri hosting him for an official in June and Ole Miss and Mississippi State being two others he?s strongly considered. The intel favors the Rebels who likes him on the defensive line.
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That is from a national 247 article so we will see.
A week ago I was told we were getting him. But you never know. Always suspicious when they are involved
ZedFedder
07-01-2023, 10:27 AM
Steve just put a 9 confidence crystal ball in for OM. He?s gone.
Pancho
07-01-2023, 09:23 PM
Ive seen him play. He has the feet to play DL
Cooterpoot
07-02-2023, 08:53 AM
Ive seen him play. He has the feet to play DL
He'll have to play nose. He's too short. He's a good int. OL but we can sign similar.
BigDawg81
07-02-2023, 09:14 AM
He'll have to play nose. He's too short. He's a good int. OL but we can sign similar.
We was recruiting him for OL?
Cooterpoot
07-02-2023, 09:30 AM
We was recruiting him for OL?
Yes, and Beavers is way better on DL.
Leeshouldveflanked
07-02-2023, 02:05 PM
Need to put the full court press on Beavers.
Pancho
07-03-2023, 05:59 AM
We was recruiting him for OL?
His Bio says he is 6' 4".
Cooterpoot
07-03-2023, 08:55 AM
His Bio says he is 6' 4".
He's like 6'2 or so.
preachermatt83
07-03-2023, 03:16 PM
He's like 6'2 or so.
I honestly don’t think he’s even that tall tbh. I’d say he’s 6’0. But he can play not taking that away from him he is a player. Just not much over 6 ft tall
Goldendawg
07-10-2023, 09:55 PM
New commit today: Tyler Woodward, CB/S from EMCC, 6'2", 200lbs. We recruited in HS from Memphis, but he went JC route. Will graduate in December so I assume 3 years to play. Good get. Not yet ranked and with 23/7 list now from their rankings only instead of composite, we have dropped to 31. Avg per player still much better than several ahead of us with many more commits. Hail State!
Cowbell
07-10-2023, 10:14 PM
New commit today: Tyler Woodward, CB/S from EMCC, 6'2", 200lbs. We recruited in HS from Memphis, but he went JC route. Will graduate in December so I assume 3 years to play. Good get. Not yet ranked and with 23/7 list now from their rankings only instead of composite, we have dropped to 31. Avg per player still much better than several ahead of us with many more commits. Hail State!
Alabama wanted him I believe
Pancho
07-11-2023, 05:02 AM
Woodard will have 2 years of eligibility at MSU. He is a quality guy with a huge upside.
Goldendawg
07-13-2023, 06:23 PM
Woodard ranked .88 which moved us back up yo #27 with all 16 commits now ranked at an average player ranking of .8831. There are 7 teams ahead of us with a lower player average ranking & most of them have many more commits than us. If we can keep current commits and finish strong we can have a Top 25 class. I admire the hard work of our staff thus far and trust their decisions in this crazy NIL/Portal "student athlete" world. Long way to December and I expect recruiting to get really NIL $ bad until signing day. Hail State!
msu15
07-14-2023, 07:18 AM
Woodard ranked .88 which moved us back up yo #27 with all 16 commits now ranked at an average player ranking of .8831. There are 7 teams ahead of us with a lower player average ranking & most of them have many more commits than us. If we can keep current commits and finish strong we can have a Top 25 class. I admire the hard work of our staff thus far and trust their decisions in this crazy NIL/Portal "student athlete" world. Long way to December and I expect recruiting to get really NIL $ bad until signing day. Hail State!
I will also be stunned if Hibbler remains an 87 and Lindsey an 84. Both are criminally underranked by 24.
Todd4State
07-14-2023, 10:29 AM
I will also be stunned if Hibbler remains an 87 and Lindsey an 84. Both are criminally underranked by 24.
It's going to take our fans raising hell to change the fact that this consistently happens to us every year.
Gene was too soft in that regard but Steve might be able to change it.
Goldendawg
07-14-2023, 01:33 PM
It's going to take our fans raising hell to change the fact that this consistently happens to us every year.
Gene was too soft in that regard but Steve might be able to change it.
They seem to have also changed to using 24/7 ratings only instead of composite in their team rankings.
Tater
07-14-2023, 02:46 PM
They seem to have also changed to using 24/7 ratings only instead of composite in their team rankings.
Worry about rankings to tell you how good a kid is, is a losing proposition now. The money is in the clicks, and the clicks come when the higher fan volume teams get rated higher. Is what it is. Why else would we consistently outperform our rankings?
MetEdDawg
07-14-2023, 06:39 PM
Worry about rankings to tell you how good a kid is, is a losing proposition now. The money is in the clicks, and the clicks come when the higher fan volume teams get rated higher. Is what it is. Why else would we consistently outperform our rankings?
This is the 100% correct answer.
If we had more fan viewership and subscriptions to ranking services, we would be consistently higher rated in recruiting. Period.
TaleofTwoDogs
07-14-2023, 10:30 PM
This is the 100% correct answer.
If we had more fan viewership and subscriptions to ranking services, we would be consistently higher rated in recruiting. Period.
That is our lot in life and it is frustrating but at the end of the day the most important ranking is earned on the field. Keep winning and have a 2014 season (or better) every 5 years or so and the respect will come.
msu15
07-15-2023, 03:59 PM
Worry about rankings to tell you how good a kid is, is a losing proposition now. The money is in the clicks, and the clicks come when the higher fan volume teams get rated higher. Is what it is. Why else would we consistently outperform our rankings?
Ding Ding Ding
Who cares about about rankings. Wins and loses are that matters.
bulldawg28
07-16-2023, 07:56 PM
Who cares about about rankings. Wins and loses are that matters.
1000% correct
Commercecomet24
07-17-2023, 01:20 PM
Worry about rankings to tell you how good a kid is, is a losing proposition now. The money is in the clicks, and the clicks come when the higher fan volume teams get rated higher. Is what it is. Why else would we consistently outperform our rankings?
Great post!
Commercecomet24
07-17-2023, 01:22 PM
I will also be stunned if Hibbler remains an 87 and Lindsey an 84. Both are criminally underranked by 24.
It's hard to believe those 2 have that low a ranking, but we all know why. As you said they are criminally underrated.
msu15
07-17-2023, 01:52 PM
It's hard to believe those 2 have that low a ranking, but we all know why. As you said they are criminally underrated.
Yep. GUARANTEED if they would've committed to Bama Hibbler would be a 93 and Lindsay an 88 in an INSTANT.
Commercecomet24
07-17-2023, 03:34 PM
Yep. GUARANTEED if they would've committed to Bama Hibbler would be a 93 and Lindsay an 88 in an INSTANT.
Absolutely no doubt about it!
Maverick91
07-18-2023, 10:25 AM
My issue with this thought that ratings are trash, is that if they were true then why do the top dogs continue to win. We cannot say on one hand ratings dont matter and then on the other hand make the comments about the bamas of the world get all the talent and thats why they always win.
I feel like more often than not ratings are pretty accurate. If they werent bama, Georgia, Ohio State etc. they wouldnt basically cream their entire schedule ever year.
DEDawg
07-18-2023, 10:42 AM
My issue with this thought that ratings are trash, is that if they were true then why do the top dogs continue to win. We cannot say on one hand ratings dont matter and then on the other hand make the comments about the bamas of the world get all the talent and thats why they always win.
I feel like more often than not ratings are pretty accurate. If they werent bama, Georgia, Ohio State etc. they wouldnt basically cream their entire schedule ever year.
Its a poor argument. It does have some truth behind it because MS kids historically ARE underrated and that is our biggest pool, but yeah just straight up saying stars dont matter is silly.
MrCoachKlein
07-18-2023, 05:18 PM
MS kids are underrated a bit. Dismissing rankings is nonsense.
"Put simply, to win the national championship, college football teams need to sign more four- and five-star recruits (AKA ?Blue Chips?) than two- and three-star players over the previous four recruiting classes.
This has been true basically as far back as modern internet recruiting rankings have existed."
https://247sports.com/article/blue-chip-ratio-2023-college-football-16-teams-who-can-actually--211217111/
ETA: it's a tool like any other. If over half your roster isn't 4-5* then you have no chance for a title. The rankings are wrong at times, but we're arguing over a high 3 vs 4. In my opinion it's a good tool to gauge team talent level. Someone said it earlier, top 10-15 are elite and 15-40 are a lot closer than #20 is to #5.
Tater
07-19-2023, 10:53 PM
247 used to be predictive but now it's just lazy. The assumption is that whoever Bama / Georgia /A&M buy must be worth it. The reality is that they may not be.
More often than not they're gonna hit on their recruits because Bama typically does good scouting. 247 just ain't got the man power to keep up. So they take the lazy route.
Todd4State
07-20-2023, 02:27 AM
247 used to be predictive but now it's just lazy. The assumption is that whoever Bama / Georgia /A&M buy must be worth it. The reality is that they may not be.
More often than not they're gonna hit on their recruits because Bama typically does good scouting. 247 just ain't got the man power to keep up. So they take the lazy route.
Exactly. And no one can say that Mississippi kids are underrated when they're rated four stars out of the gate and then all of a sudden in the offseason they're dropped to a three star.
Goldendawg
07-20-2023, 11:32 AM
I agree with everything y'all have posted regarding clickbait for competing schools with larger fan bases, wanting more subscribers from them, MS players being under rated and rerated if they commit to us. I am not a star chaser. I just report here what I have read on 24/7 (free articles), but you can't tell me our commits don't follow and know when they are dropped from a 4 star to a high three and how happy most of our fans are to finish in the top 25 or so as we usually do. This is unfair to MSU and all involved. Rant over. Now, my connected source tells me probably no new commits until end of month cookout. Any of you guys got any insight, news or even rumors? Sure would like to flip a couple of guys committed to Arky or a DL going OOS. Hail State!
DEDawg
07-20-2023, 04:56 PM
Exactly. And no one can say that Mississippi kids are underrated when they're rated four stars out of the gate and then all of a sudden in the offseason they're dropped to a three star.
It is not the 4 stars. The criminal under ranking is a kid who is an 83 at a tiny school with no film is really an 88. That happens ALL the time
Todd4State
07-21-2023, 04:45 AM
I agree with everything y'all have posted regarding clickbait for competing schools with larger fan bases, wanting more subscribers from them, MS players being under rated and rerated if they commit to us. I am not a star chaser. I just report here what I have read on 24/7 (free articles), but you can't tell me our commits don't follow and know when they are dropped from a 4 star to a high three and how happy most of our fans are to finish in the top 25 or so as we usually do. This is unfair to MSU and all involved. Rant over. Now, my connected source tells me probably no new commits until end of month cookout. Any of you guys got any insight, news or even rumors? Sure would like to flip a couple of guys committed to Arky or a DL going OOS. Hail State!
I don't consider myself "connected" but I could definitely see Noreel White and maybe we push for SanFrisco Magee to commit?
Wouldn't completely surprise me to see some other player show up that no one is expecting and all of a sudden it ends up like Jimothy Lewis.
PMDawg
07-21-2023, 09:30 AM
247 used to be predictive but now it's just lazy. The assumption is that whoever Bama / Georgia /A&M buy must be worth it. The reality is that they may not be.
More often than not they're gonna hit on their recruits because Bama typically does good scouting. 247 just ain't got the man power to keep up. So they take the lazy route.
Yep, two things can be true at once.
The top 5 to 10 rated classes can be loaded with talent compared to the rest of us.
Immediately moving a kid's rating up b/c he committed to a certain school and immediately moving a kid's rating down b/c he committed to a certain kid can still happen and still be total BS.
Both of these things can be true at the same time.
Of course stars and class rankings matter. But maybe not so much past the top 10 or 15 classes. We end up around 30th in recruiting every year, and then the media folks always predict us to finish near the bottom of the SEC and cite our "lack of talent". Then, they're surprised those years we finish inside of the top 20 on the actual field. Then we do it all over again. No one is claiming our classes would be elite if the recruiting sites did their job right. But maybe we'd finish around 18th or so more often, and then people may actually predict us to not completely suck and/or act like it's a miracle when we go 9-4 or whatever.
msu15
07-21-2023, 10:32 AM
Ok enough about this ratings talk. What's the cookout looking like coming up?
Cooterpoot
07-21-2023, 10:46 AM
Ok enough about this ratings talk. What's the cookout looking like coming up?
Going to be flipping some burgers
msu15
07-21-2023, 11:10 AM
Going to be flipping some burgers
I see what you did there and I am all for it. 2 patties?
Goldendawg
07-27-2023, 06:49 PM
Going to be flipping some burgers
Any updates? I heard 4 of the potential burgers( players committed OOS) didn't make it to the cookout. We need to show out on the field this season. Nearly all the top 35 in MS are committed. Long way until December. Hail State!
Cooterpoot
07-27-2023, 10:08 PM
It was disappointing. We didn't push kids to come. Commits mostly but a couple OOS studs did show up.
Bdawg
07-27-2023, 10:30 PM
I mean did we not make it a priority to try to get kids to come? WTH?
msu15
07-28-2023, 07:21 AM
Why did we do it on a Thursday night and not a Friday?
Cooterpoot
07-28-2023, 08:27 AM
I mean did we not make it a priority to try to get kids to come? WTH?
Falls during the first week of practice for a lot of kids.
William Tecumsah Sherman
07-28-2023, 03:15 PM
And some schools have already started classes
Bdawg
07-28-2023, 09:39 PM
Falls during the first week of practice for a lot of kids.
Maybe we should find a better time. Ha
Got any names on the OOS guys? What year?
Todd4State
07-29-2023, 12:25 AM
Maybe we should find a better time. Ha
Got any names on the OOS guys? What year?
Yeah. Maybe earlier in July? Like a week after the Fourth? I figure some players families go out of town for the holiday so in my mind that makes the week after less likely that they would travel?
Goldendawg
07-29-2023, 10:44 PM
Maybe we should find a better time. Ha
Got any names on the OOS guys? What year?
Biggest OOS name may have been LB Bradley Shaw from Hoover, 4 star (.94, but I know ratings don't count in this thread*****). He is the #14 LB in the nation and #9 player in AL. Has about 20 Blue Blood offers. Can read his profile by googling Bradley Shaw 24/7. Only one my friend told me about. There is an article about his reaction to the cookout visit on genespage but it is a paid article.
msu15
07-31-2023, 02:00 PM
Looks like Sanfrisco Magee, WR from McComb, is headed to the Rebels.
Bdawg
07-31-2023, 11:34 PM
Looks like Sanfrisco Magee, WR from McComb, is headed to the Rebels.
What turn of events was that? Thought he was ready to make it happen for us any day now??
Cooterpoot
08-01-2023, 08:48 AM
What turn of events was that? Thought he was ready to make it happen for us any day now??
They paid him. He's not worth what they're paying, so we aren't going to match. We've got other WR prospects that are similar.
ZedFedder
08-01-2023, 11:12 AM
Noreel White just decommitted from Arkansas
Cooterpoot
08-01-2023, 01:46 PM
Noreel White just decommitted from Arkansas
I wouldn't get too excited right now
Pancho
08-01-2023, 06:43 PM
Isn't he a state lean at the moment?
Leroy Jenkins
08-01-2023, 06:51 PM
Looks like Sanfrisco Magee, WR from McComb, is headed to the Rebels.
I hate to see anyone go to OM, but we got the WRs we wanted.
Cooterpoot
08-01-2023, 07:43 PM
Isn't he a state lean at the moment?
He is not
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