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jumbo
08-19-2016, 08:36 AM
He had family issues come up and transfered from EMCC. Nobody has been able to confirm because he's "off the grid" per Steve, but the belief is that he is going to Coahoma

Because he transfered he is no longer in the 2017 class and I would be surprised if he is in our 2018 class.

mic
08-26-2016, 10:42 PM
Hearing good news coming soon...

Ifyouonlyknew
08-26-2016, 10:51 PM
Hearing good news coming soon...

How soon are we talking?

mic
08-26-2016, 10:54 PM
How soon are we talking?

Next couple weeks..

vv83
08-27-2016, 11:12 AM
Next couple weeks..

offensive or defensive good news?

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
08-29-2016, 07:36 AM
If he could put on some weight, he could turn into a beast. Who else is in the running for him?


No idea. But you have to like our chances with him at CoLin..

Paul Jones and Robbie Faulk CB'd him to us yesterday....looking good!!

jumbo
08-29-2016, 12:32 PM
offensive or defensive good news?


Defensive. Possibly this week.

mic
08-29-2016, 05:18 PM
Sweat is a HUGE get..
And too keep the momentum rolling more good news possible on the way very soon...

ElectroDawg
08-29-2016, 05:35 PM
Hail yeah!

djaymsu5
08-29-2016, 09:27 PM
Sweat is a HUGE get..
And too keep the momentum rolling more good news possible on the way very soon...

Hope you're talking about Owens.

mic
08-29-2016, 10:39 PM
Hope you're talking about Owens.

Nope... But he will be a dog too in time...

Ifyouonlyknew
08-29-2016, 10:42 PM
Sweat is a HUGE get..
And too keep the momentum rolling more good news possible on the way very soon...

So Sweat isn't who you were talking about last week?

mic
08-30-2016, 05:14 AM
So Sweat isn't who you were talking about last week?

He was one of the 2 ... Just wasn't sure who would be first

Dawgfan77
08-30-2016, 06:42 AM
I hope it's mcrath

djaymsu5
08-30-2016, 07:23 AM
Nope... But he will be a dog too in time...

It just keeps getting better.

vv83
08-30-2016, 08:23 AM
IF the ole miss shit storm gets bad enough do they have anyone committed that would more than likely flip to us? Looking at you Willie...

Bothrops
08-30-2016, 09:06 AM
Oh boy...this is gonna be great!

mic
09-07-2016, 02:49 PM
Some big names on campus this weekend.. More good news may be coming...

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
09-07-2016, 03:13 PM
Some big names on campus this weekend.. More good news may be coming...

Is there a list out yet?

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
09-07-2016, 03:14 PM
Who is Blake Mitchell? http://247sports.com/player/blake-mitchell-78379
247 says he committed to us for the last class.

Ifyouonlyknew
09-07-2016, 03:18 PM
Who is Blake Mitchell? http://247sports.com/player/blake-mitchell-78379
247 says he committed to us for the last class.

He's a walk-on.

msstate7
09-07-2016, 03:35 PM
Some big names on campus this weekend.. More good news may be coming...

A win and a good commitment would do wonders for our fanbase right now

Eric Nies Grind Time
09-07-2016, 06:11 PM
My liver needs a break.

msstate7
09-07-2016, 06:16 PM
My liver needs a break.

You fitz?**

Eric Nies Grind Time
09-07-2016, 08:14 PM
Lol....no but I barely got fewer snaps than he did.

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
09-09-2016, 07:34 AM
Some big names on campus this weekend.. More good news may be coming...

This guy? http://247sports.com/Player/Shanon-Reid-88195

mic
09-09-2016, 08:01 AM
This guy? http://247sports.com/Player/Shanon-Reid-88195

Sounds like we are closing in and would be a very good get, but no not the guy"s" I were refering to...

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
09-09-2016, 08:45 AM
Sounds like we are closing in and would be a very good get, but no not the guy"s" I were refering to...

Interesting...

gravedigger
09-09-2016, 05:28 PM
I am hearing we are about to get some bad news about a player we think is a lock and good news about a player we REALLY need.

I wont reveal sources, but I will say that our rival has been working very hard to flip some kids, which may not work out in the end, but will certainly create drama between now and signing day.

Hint: the players are ms highschool players. so is the source.

gravedigger
09-09-2016, 05:32 PM
IF the ole miss shit storm gets bad enough do they have anyone committed that would more than likely flip to us? Looking at you Willie...

That is probably not going to happen no matter what happens to OM. It's not impossible, but that kid didn't commit to them for the reasons many do. He's a true fan of OM. Of course, enough penalties and problems could change anyone's mind.

bulldawg28
09-09-2016, 06:08 PM
I am hearing we are about to get some bad news about a player we think is a lock and good news about a player we REALLY need.

I wont reveal sources, but I will say that our rival has been working very hard to flip some kids, which may not work out in the end, but will certainly create drama between now and signing day.

Hint: the players are ms highschool players. so is the source.

I've heard CJ Avery is Clemson bound and has been since his first visit there.

Commercecomet24
09-09-2016, 06:11 PM
I am hearing we are about to get some bad news about a player we think is a lock and good news about a player we REALLY need.

I wont reveal sources, but I will say that our rival has been working very hard to flip some kids, which may not work out in the end, but will certainly create drama between now and signing day.

Hint: the players are ms highschool players. so is the source.

Can you at least tell us if these players are offense or defense? Understand if you can't. Thankd

msstate7
09-09-2016, 06:13 PM
I've heard CJ Avery is Clemson bound and has been since his first visit there.

Could explain us parting ways with jj Russell

msstate7
09-09-2016, 06:20 PM
How are we looking with Jonathan Abrams?

Dawgfan77
09-09-2016, 06:37 PM
I am hearing we are about to get some bad news about a player we think is a lock and good news about a player we REALLY need.

I wont reveal sources, but I will say that our rival has been working very hard to flip some kids, which may not work out in the end, but will certainly create drama between now and signing day.

Hint: the players are ms highschool players. so is the source.

So it's a Hill to climb???

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
09-09-2016, 06:38 PM
I am hearing we are about to get some bad news about a player we think is a lock and good news about a player we REALLY need.

I wont reveal sources, but I will say that our rival has been working very hard to flip some kids, which may not work out in the end, but will certainly create drama between now and signing day.

Hint: the players are ms highschool players. so is the source.

Are you freakin kidding me? This can't happen.

Tripp McNeely
09-09-2016, 09:10 PM
I've heard CJ Avery is Clemson bound and has been since his first visit there.

Paul Jones said CJs gonna be in Starkvegas tomorrow

bulldawg28
09-09-2016, 10:05 PM
Paul Jones said CJs gonna be in Starkvegas tomorrow

I hope we can sway him.

Dawg-gone-dawgs
09-09-2016, 10:26 PM
color me shocked if this happens....

msstate7
09-09-2016, 10:32 PM
color me shocked if this happens....

What's that? Avery visit us? Avery come here or Avery go to Clemson?

Dawg-gone-dawgs
09-09-2016, 10:59 PM
What's that? Avery visit us? Avery come here or Avery go to Clemson?

I think someone using "a hill to climb" was to see if the bad news was about Kylin.

msstate7
09-09-2016, 11:02 PM
I think someone using "a hill to climb" was to see if the bad news was about Kylin.

Gotcha

Bothrops
09-09-2016, 11:14 PM
This better not happen.

gravedigger
09-10-2016, 09:35 AM
Yes there is a hill to climb.

Bothrops
09-10-2016, 10:08 AM
I can't see where such a decision would be a plus for him.

gravedigger
09-12-2016, 10:42 AM
Can you at least tell us if these players are offense or defense? Understand if you can't. Thankd

Things seemed to have changed a little over the weekend for the better.

I will say the good news was about CJ Avery and he is looking very good for us.

The aformentioned "bad news" was about a certain rb who seemed to have changed his tune. Know this, om is after him full blast. My info didnt come from a message board or twitter feed. I never post what is already out for public consumption.

Commercecomet24
09-12-2016, 11:37 AM
Things seemed to have changed a little over the weekend for the better.

I will say the good news was about CJ Avery and he is looking very good for us.

The aformentioned "bad news" was about a certain rb who seemed to have changed his tune. Know this, om is after him full blast. My info didnt come from a message board or twitter feed. I never post what is already out for public consumption.

Thanks for the info. Always like your posts. Good news on CJ. I hope the young rb sees through smoke and mirrors.

Eric Nies Grind Time
09-12-2016, 12:36 PM
Things seemed to have changed a little over the weekend for the better.

I will say the good news was about CJ Avery and he is looking very good for us.

The aformentioned "bad news" was about a certain rb who seemed to have changed his tune. Know this, om is after him full blast. My info didnt come from a message board or twitter feed. I never post what is already out for public consumption.

Sounds like Ole Miss has struck out on Akers.

msstate7
09-12-2016, 01:33 PM
Fsu guy and David Johnson CBed Avery to us. I know this doesn't mean we're getting Avery, but I take it as a good sign.

gravedigger
09-12-2016, 02:43 PM
Sounds like Ole Miss has struck out on Akers.

Florida State.

MSUDawg99
09-12-2016, 04:52 PM
To make sure I'm on the same page, some think that Kylin is decommitting? If so, I can't see it. His Twitter is saying otherwise.

If not, then did something happen over wknd with someone else?

Dawg-gone-dawgs
09-12-2016, 06:57 PM
To make sure I'm on the same page, some think that Kylin is decommitting? If so, I can't see it. His Twitter is saying otherwise.

If not, then did something happen over wknd with someone else?

I agree. His twitter definitely says other-wise. Talking about the how the number 8 is going to have the name "Hill" on it next year and How he can't wait to get to State next year....

MSUDawg99
09-13-2016, 09:26 AM
I agree. His twitter definitely says other-wise. Talking about the how the number 8 is going to have the name "Hill" on it next year and How he can't wait to get to State next year....

Yeah & apparently ain't no room on his bandwagon either so you can't jump on, if you're not already on it. Hahaha.

PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE
09-25-2016, 07:33 PM
I might've missed this in another thread, but does the Les Miles news change where we stand w/ Saadhiq Charles, Edwards-Helaire, or others?

Bothrops
09-25-2016, 11:31 PM
I might've missed this in another thread, but does the Les Miles news change where we stand w/ Saadhiq Charles, Edwards-Helaire, or others?

Maybe, it'll still be tough pull. Hopefully we can get at least one of them, we are recruiting about 4 of their croots.

MSUDawg99
09-26-2016, 09:16 AM
I might've missed this in another thread, but does the Les Miles news change where we stand w/ Saadhiq Charles, Edwards-Helaire, or others?

Yes it does

mcain31
09-30-2016, 09:14 PM
Does anyone know if we are recruiting Meridian Jr DE Deuntra Hyman? He has 15 sacks thru 6 games so far this season

TheRef
09-30-2016, 09:16 PM
Does anyone know if we are recruiting Meridian Jr DE Deuntra Hyman? He has 15 sacks thru 6 games so far this season

Yes we are. He only has 1 Crystal Ball and it's going to us.

mic
10-02-2016, 11:48 AM
Stephen Guidry Just decommited ...

bulldawg28
10-02-2016, 12:33 PM
Stephen Guidry Just decommited ...

Hmmmm

msstate7
10-10-2016, 10:43 AM
We need help at safety... how we look with Abrams and Avery?

mic
10-10-2016, 11:04 AM
We need help at safety... how we look with Abrams and Avery?

Avery is well above 50% to be here
Abrams visited we are for sure in running. Us , LSU, Texas am all in play

Cary Hudson's little bro
10-10-2016, 02:19 PM
Going H2H with Aubie for Avery. Guidry is definitely a FS...Oliver and Avery will probably be a WLB or "Star" LB. Would be huge to get all 3!

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
10-19-2016, 08:44 AM
It's old news, but Tyree Owens to aTm.

J. Landrews is still listed as a Minnesota commit...

jumbo
10-19-2016, 08:56 AM
Landrews is a keep warm for now. If we miss Abram or Avery we probably put the heat back on.

msstate7
10-19-2016, 09:24 AM
Landrews is a keep warm for now. If we miss Abram or Avery we probably put the heat back on.

How we look with Abrams and Avery?

jumbo
10-19-2016, 10:29 AM
How we look with Abrams and Avery?


Can't speak to Abrams but the "experts" all say we lead for Avery

mic
10-19-2016, 10:39 AM
Landrews is a keep warm for now. If we miss Abram or Avery we probably put the heat back on.

We would take all 3.. CJ may end up at WLB

jumbo
10-19-2016, 11:27 AM
I'm sure we would but I don't believe we are pushing Landrews right now.

mic
10-20-2016, 08:29 AM
A few new names are going to be thrown out the next few weeks that we are in the hunt for... Most are on the defensive side of the ball ..

I seen it dawg
10-20-2016, 10:50 AM
Landrews to State

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
10-20-2016, 11:31 AM
A few new names are going to be thrown out the next few weeks that we are in the hunt for... Most are on the defensive side of the ball ..

Any chance of offensive linemen?

I seen it dawg
10-20-2016, 12:00 PM
Any chance of offensive linemen?

Got to move Hevesy

Ifyouonlyknew
10-20-2016, 12:26 PM
Got to move Hevesy

I think that will happen.

mic
10-20-2016, 12:45 PM
Any chance of offensive linemen?

Yes 2..

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
10-20-2016, 12:58 PM
I think that will happen.

https://media.tenor.co/images/a5f2d03f2730317dff02bdfa76a89556/raw

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
10-20-2016, 12:59 PM
Yes 2..

HS or Juco?

mic
10-20-2016, 01:05 PM
HS or Juco?

HS

mic
10-23-2016, 09:51 PM
Keisean Nixon. Juco CB.. There's your first of the new names.. If this kid visits our chances are very good.. Tbuck is the key here..

vv83
10-24-2016, 08:46 AM
http://247sports.com/Player/Keisean-Nixon-54132

jumbo
10-24-2016, 12:39 PM
Keisean Nixon. Juco CB.. There's your first of the new names.. If this kid visits our chances are very good.. Tbuck is the key here..


I assume this is who you were referring to in the other thread?

Bothrops
10-24-2016, 03:31 PM
Question is, will he visit?

mic
10-24-2016, 06:23 PM
I assume this is who you were referring to in the other thread?

Yes...

mic
10-24-2016, 06:23 PM
Question is, will he visit?

Should know soon. I'm betting he does..

msstate7
10-26-2016, 06:43 AM
Who are our main targets left besides gay, Avery, and Abrams? How likely are each?

mic
10-26-2016, 07:50 AM
Who are our main targets left besides gay, Avery, and Abrams? How likely are each?

Avery / Gay both very good
Abrams will come down to last few days for juco December guys.. He really likes his ex def coach Pruitt at Bama.

mic
10-26-2016, 08:15 AM
Brian Cole.. Safety at EMCC was a 4 star out of high school and signed with Michigan
Dante Wigley .. CB at Holmes. Former Ga Tech signee..

2 names to watch next few weeks.. Both December guys ..

Ifyouonlyknew
10-26-2016, 08:26 AM
Brian Cole.. Safety at EMCC was a 4 star out of high school and signed with Michigan
Dante Wigley .. CB at Holmes. Former Ga Tech signee..

2 names to watch next few weeks.. Both December guys ..

We offered Wigley back in the spring but Cole name is starting to make the rounds. This is his 1st season playing full time DB. He played WR at Michigan.

Eric Nies Grind Time
10-26-2016, 08:35 AM
So...far into the future question but if Ole Miss does get hit with heavy penalties are there any guys from there that would want to transfer here? Some really nice players from that 2016 class.

Ifyouonlyknew
10-26-2016, 08:41 AM
So...far into the future question but if Ole Miss does get hit with heavy penalties are there any guys from there that would want to transfer here? Some really nice players from that 2016 class.

Kids aren't always allowed to transfer when sanctions hit & when they are allowed it's usually only upperclassmen. I wouldn't bet on any of the 2016 guys just being allowed to walk with no problems.

Eric Nies Grind Time
10-26-2016, 08:54 AM
I feel like a good Christian man like Freeze would let his people go.

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
10-26-2016, 09:06 AM
Kids aren't always allowed to transfer when sanctions hit & when they are allowed it's usually only upperclassmen. I wouldn't bet on any of the 2016 guys just being allowed to walk with no problems.

Post season bans seem to help...

preachermatt83
10-26-2016, 06:17 PM
So is it just a foregone conclusion that we have zero shot at Cam Akers?

Ifyouonlyknew
10-26-2016, 06:18 PM
So is it just a foregone conclusion that we have zero shot at Cam Akers?

0 chance

RezDog7
10-26-2016, 07:48 PM
0 chance

Why not? Best guess where he goes?

Ifyouonlyknew
10-26-2016, 08:27 PM
Why not? Best guess where he goes?

Just hasn't been interested. It's not clear but my guess right now would be LSU.

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
10-26-2016, 08:42 PM
So is it just a foregone conclusion that we have zero shot at Cam Akers?

We haven't been in it for 2 years. Sad we don't at least have a relationship with him.

mic
10-31-2016, 08:34 AM
A staff without JH coaching in 2017 would equal a roster with Saahdiq Charles..

Eric Nies Grind Time
10-31-2016, 09:42 AM
I hope we start hitting TN hard. I don't think Butch Jones is going to be around much longer.

Westdawg
10-31-2016, 10:50 AM
I hope we start hitting TN hard. I don't think Butch Jones is going to be around much longer.

Having coached in TN, there's just not a ton of top level talent there. That's why TN has to be able to recruit nationally. There lots of mid major talent, but not a lot of P5 talent. Don't get me wrong there's some good ones there, but outside of west TN and a little of Nashville area, MSU doesn't have much of a footprint to draw from interest-wise, either.

jumbo
10-31-2016, 01:09 PM
Having coached in TN, there's just not a ton of top level talent there. That's why TN has to be able to recruit nationally. There lots of mid major talent, but not a lot of P5 talent. Don't get me wrong there's some good ones there, but outside of west TN and a little of Nashville area, MSU doesn't have much of a footprint to draw from interest-wise, either.


Yeah, the last few years have produced some very good talent, but usually there's not a whole lot of SEC caliber players in TN.

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
11-04-2016, 08:50 AM
Does anyone know anything about Dante Wigley? http://247sports.com/Player/Dante-Wigley-48444

247 MSU guys CB'ed him to us.

Okrastar1
11-04-2016, 09:42 AM
Does anyone know anything about Dante Wigley? http://247sports.com/Player/Dante-Wigley-48444

247 MSU guys CB'ed him to us.

Yeah, State coaches love him because of his offer sheet of ULM, West Ga., Arky State and the Mississippi powerhouse Southern Miss! He also excels at playing 10-15 yards off of the receiver and still somehow getting burnt on deep passes... Sounds like our kinda DB!

Ifyouonlyknew
11-04-2016, 10:04 AM
Does anyone know anything about Dante Wigley? http://247sports.com/Player/Dante-Wigley-48444

247 MSU guys CB'ed him to us.


http://www.hudl.com/video/3/1398848/57eeb379bd752014741fcb30

vv83
11-06-2016, 01:51 PM
Are we still expecting Keytaon to enroll in Dec? I haven't heard anything about his recruitment lately

Ari Gold
11-06-2016, 02:21 PM
Are we still expecting Keytaon to enroll in Dec? I haven't heard anything about his recruitment lately

He will be an EE..
And we will be having a very very nice EE class...

Ari Gold
11-08-2016, 01:38 PM
Brian Cole.. Safety at EMCC was a 4 star out of high school and signed with Michigan
Dante Wigley .. CB at Holmes. Former Ga Tech signee..

2 names to watch next few weeks.. Both December guys ..

Cole, Nixon, Wigley , Landrews
Would be a grand slam. 3 of 4 would be homerun

jumbo
11-09-2016, 03:05 PM
Ravian Pierce just decommitted

Ari Gold
11-11-2016, 09:59 AM
Ravian Pierce just decommitted

Rav Pierce will be a nice parting gift for LSU , when we flip
Guidry, Charles, and Clyde

Best of luck to RP.

vv83
11-11-2016, 10:39 AM
Rav Pierce will be a nice parting gift for LSU , when we flip
Guidry, Charles, and Clyde

Best of luck to RP.

How confident are we on each of the 3?

msstate7
11-11-2016, 12:06 PM
Rav Pierce will be a nice parting gift for LSU , when we flip
Guidry, Charles, and Clyde

Best of luck to RP.

I'll be thrilled with Guidry and Charles... Clyde would be freaking great

Ari Gold
11-11-2016, 01:33 PM
I'll be thrilled with Guidry and Charles... Clyde would be freaking great

Better chance with Clyde than Charles..

Ifyouonlyknew
11-11-2016, 01:41 PM
In order of confidence I'd go

1. Guidry
2. Edwards-Helaire
3. Charles

msstate7
11-11-2016, 01:59 PM
Better chance with Clyde than Charles..

I'll take any 2 and be happy

Ari Gold
11-11-2016, 04:56 PM
In order of confidence I'd go

1. Guidry
2. Edwards-Helaire
3. Charles

Agree...

Commercecomet24
11-11-2016, 05:53 PM
In order of confidence I'd go

1. Guidry
2. Edwards-Helaire
3. Charles

What percent confident are you in each one though lol?

preachermatt83
11-14-2016, 03:06 PM
Will we land Willie Gay?

vv83
11-14-2016, 03:16 PM
Will we land Willie Gay?

I think so. Ole Miss is out of the picture, he ain't going to Michigan, Kobe is saying all the right things, I think we get him.

preachermatt83
11-14-2016, 04:56 PM
I think so. Ole Miss is out of the picture, he ain't going to Michigan, Kobe is saying all the right things, I think we get him.

Big news.

Ari Gold
11-15-2016, 10:46 AM
Will we land Willie Gay?

Yes

bulldog2488
11-15-2016, 10:50 AM
I may have missed this (I apologize for not scrolling through every page of this recruiting thread), but how do you guys feel about landing C.J. Avery?

vv83
11-15-2016, 11:07 AM
I may have missed this (I apologize for not scrolling through every page of this recruiting thread), but how do you guys feel about landing C.J. Avery?

I'm no insider but we're up to 80% crystal ball http://247sports.com/player/cj-avery-78327

Ifyouonlyknew
11-15-2016, 11:34 AM
CJ will be a Dawg

bulldog2488
11-15-2016, 11:39 AM
CJ will be a Dawg

Awesome! Isn't he an early enrollee as well?

Ifyouonlyknew
11-15-2016, 12:14 PM
Awesome! Isn't he an early enrollee as well?

Yes

Tripp McNeely
11-15-2016, 01:13 PM
Yes

https://twitter.com/WillieYRN/status/798549168906244096

Ari Gold
11-15-2016, 03:24 PM
https://twitter.com/WillieYRN/status/798549168906244096



http://giphy.com/gifs/test-jess-ari-gold-hbo-VFaxXMay1bX8I

bulldog2488
11-18-2016, 09:57 AM
Are we expecting any commits with the big recruiting weekend? I know there is going to be a good many guys in town for the Arkansas game.

msstate7
11-20-2016, 11:51 PM
Pierce CB'd to Syracuse. Please don't tell me we're gonna lose him to them.

Any news from this weekend?

Bothrops
11-21-2016, 01:59 AM
Pierce CB'd to Syracuse. Please don't tell me we're gonna lose him to them.

Any news from this weekend?

That has to be a joke..

HoopsDawg
11-21-2016, 11:32 AM
Pierce CB'd to Syracuse. Please don't tell me we're gonna lose him to them.

Any news from this weekend?

Just that we didn't get commitments from Cole, Hayes or Winters. Steve thinks we got a bump on Woods, but no commit there either.

Irondawg
11-21-2016, 11:48 AM
The only good thing about the weekend for the JUCOs is that all had to leave there thinking there's no way they don't start immediately. So that's a good selling point

jumbo
11-21-2016, 03:36 PM
We're in a good spot with Hayes. Winters probably ends up back at OM. Woods is us or Arky.

Dawg-gone-dawgs
11-22-2016, 07:19 PM
What about Stephen Guidry. Where do we stand with him?

Ari Gold
11-22-2016, 10:01 PM
What about Stephen Guidry. Where do we stand with him?

Very good... Of course the cocksuckers from The plains are always a threat..

Bothrops
11-23-2016, 12:02 AM
Very good... Of course the cocksuckers from The plains are always a threat..

We had better lock this one down, we'll need a playmaker receiver that's ready to go after losing Ross.

Ari Gold
11-23-2016, 08:20 AM
We had better lock this one down, we'll need a playmaker receiver that's ready to go after losing Ross.

Agreed

Ari Gold
11-25-2016, 12:28 PM
The Gold Standard... Will be wearing Maroon next fall

CJ Avery
Willie gay
Stephen Gudiry
Jaquarius Landrews
Keisean Nixon
J'Marik Woods
Chauncey Rivers
Clyde edwards Helaire

Vandelay Industries
11-25-2016, 12:34 PM
Wow. Really excited about Edwards Helaire

Commercecomet24
11-25-2016, 12:36 PM
The Gold Standard... Will be wearing Maroon next fall

CJ Avery
Willie gay
Stephen Gudiry
Jaquarius Landrews
Keisean Nixon
J'Marick Woods
Chauncey Rivers
Clyde edwards Helaire

If we are getting all these plus all we have committed already, I'm pumped! Say it's so!

msstate7
11-25-2016, 01:27 PM
The Gold Standard... Will be wearing Maroon next fall

CJ Avery
Willie gay
Stephen Gudiry
Jaquarius Landrews
Keisean Nixon
J'Marik Woods
Chauncey Rivers
Clyde edwards Helaire

Some of those are hardly locks, correct?

Tripp McNeely
11-25-2016, 02:10 PM
Some of those are hardly locks, correct?

Sounds the opposite of that

Bothrops
11-25-2016, 02:42 PM
The Gold Standard... Will be wearing Maroon next fall

CJ Avery
Willie gay
Stephen Gudiry
Jaquarius Landrews
Keisean Nixon
J'Marik Woods
Chauncey Rivers
Clyde edwards Helaire

No way we're getting all those guys. I'd say we get 4 or 5.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-25-2016, 03:03 PM
Only kid on that list I don't think we sit in a great spot in is Nixon.

Bothrops
11-25-2016, 03:10 PM
Only kid on that list I don't think we sit in a great spot in is Nixon.

You think SC will get him?

Ari Gold
11-25-2016, 03:31 PM
You think SC will get him?

If he visits here Dec 9th .. Book it.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-25-2016, 04:03 PM
If he visits here Dec 9th .. Book it.

I agree I will feel better if he makes his visit but UCLA just offered & talk of a UGA offer. That just gives me pause.

Ari Gold
11-25-2016, 05:33 PM
I agree I will feel better if he makes his visit but UCLA just offered & talk of a UGA offer. That just gives me pause.

I'm more confident about him than CEH ... A Herman hire at LSU might take him off the list..

Ifyouonlyknew
11-25-2016, 06:09 PM
I'm more confident about him than CEH ... A Herman hire at LSU might take him off the list..

It could but if they land Akers it doesn't matter who the coach is.

bulldog2488
11-28-2016, 09:48 AM
It could but if they land Akers it doesn't matter who the coach is.

IYOK, you think Akers is LSU bound? I saw that he visited Ohio State this weekend, but not sure how serious he is about them though.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-28-2016, 09:52 AM
IYOK, you think Akers is LSU bound? I saw that he visited Ohio State this weekend, but not sure how serious he is about them though.

I don't think anyone knows for sure yet not even Cam. I know if Ohio St was closer he'd be there. I think he really likes Ohio St they're just too far away. I think it comes down to LSU, FSU, & OM. If I had to choose I'd say LSU but with not much confidence.

bulldog2488
11-28-2016, 10:06 AM
I don't think anyone knows for sure yet not even Cam. I know if Ohio St was closer he'd be there. I think he really likes Ohio St they're just too far away. I think it comes down to LSU, FSU, & OM. If I had to choose I'd say LSU but with not much confidence.

I agree with you that not many people know. I actually taught Cam a couple of years ago. Not many people even know in Clinton. I just hope it isn't OM. I think if the NCAA stuff wasn't looming OM would be a lock.

GTHOM
11-28-2016, 06:15 PM
IYOK, whats the big reason on why we didnt go harder on Akers. I've heard some things just wondering what you knew. I'll PM you if you dont wanna say

Ifyouonlyknew
11-28-2016, 06:48 PM
IYOK, whats the big reason on why we didnt go harder on Akers. I've heard some things just wondering what you knew. I'll PM you if you dont wanna say

You can PM but the little chance we had left with Tony Hughes. It's not that cut & dry but that didn't help.

Ari Gold
11-29-2016, 10:26 AM
Before everyone goes completely meltdown and starts the knee jerk freak out..
- We have never been on Abrams short list.
- With Cole there are off the field issues , he still may be a take but if he isn't it's 100% our decision
- and there is a new name out there Hakeem Bailey. And yeah he might be plan B if a few others fall thru, but at least we
Have a good plan B..

If we pull Nixon And Woods . Homerun.

Really Clark?
11-29-2016, 10:39 AM
Before everyone goes completely meltdown and starts the knee jerk freak out..
- We have never been on Abrams short list.
- With Cole there are off the field issues , he still may be a take but if he isn't it's 100% our decision
- and there is a new name out there Hakeem Bailey. And yeah he might be plan B if a few others fall thru, but at least we
Have a good plan B..

If we pull Nixon And Woods . Homerun.

Really would love to pull Nixon and Woods. A ton of potential. How did our visit go? Move the needle for Nixon any?

Ari Gold
11-29-2016, 10:40 AM
Really would love to pull Nixon and Woods. A ton of potential. How did our visit go? Move the needle for Nixon any?

If he visits next weekend , he will be a Dawg.

ShotgunDawg
11-29-2016, 10:41 AM
If he visits next weekend , he will be a Dawg.

What are the odds he visits?

Ari Gold
11-29-2016, 10:48 AM
What are the odds he visits?

As of today 99%

ShotgunDawg
11-29-2016, 12:58 PM
Looks like Woods is deciding on Friday.

How are we feeling about this one?

ShotgunDawg
11-30-2016, 12:24 AM
Georgia just offered Nixon.

Hopefully we can still get him to visit. Come on coaches, win some damn recruiting battles

HoopsDawg
11-30-2016, 10:51 AM
Georgia just offered Nixon.

Hopefully we can still get him to visit. Come on coaches, win some damn recruiting battles

I miss the good ole days when schools like UGA didn't offer Jucos. Autry is visiting OU. This is the time of the year, especially last year, when our class fell apart. We have to finish strong this year. Several key recruits are in play from now until Dec. 15th.

Bothrops
11-30-2016, 10:57 AM
I doubt Nixon even visits. Are there any recent developments with Guidry?

HoopsDawg
11-30-2016, 11:14 AM
I doubt Nixon even visits. Are there any recent developments with Guidry?

He's a Feb. signee so it's going to drag out a while. The new WR name is Brandon Martin out of MGCC. Signed with LSU out of HS and played in the UA AA game. He didn't put up huge numbers this year, but he would be a good get in the early signing period. He's a fit at the X receiver.

ShotgunDawg
11-30-2016, 11:43 AM
I miss the good ole days when schools like UGA didn't offer Jucos. Autry is visiting OU. This is the time of the year, especially last year, when our class fell apart. We have to finish strong this year. Several key recruits are in play from now until Dec. 15th.

I feel pretty good about Autry just because of Denico & his attachment to our program. I'd be surprised if we have an issue there.

Ari Gold
11-30-2016, 12:26 PM
I miss the good ole days when schools like UGA didn't offer Jucos. Autry is visiting OU. This is the time of the year, especially last year, when our class fell apart. We have to finish strong this year. Several key recruits are in play from now until Dec. 15th.

Autry is fine

HoopsDawg
11-30-2016, 12:45 PM
Autry is fine

Can't tell you how many times I've seen a post like this that turned out to be not so fine come signing day.

Okrastar1
11-30-2016, 10:28 PM
Can't tell you how many times I've seen a post like this that turned out to be not so fine come signing day.

Yeah but I'm gonna tell you... if it comes from Ari or IYOK aka Dan, I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they have earned that much at least...

HoopsDawg
11-30-2016, 11:05 PM
Yeah but I'm gonna tell you... if it comes from Ari or IYOK aka Dan, I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they have earned that much at least...

Ari hasn't yet.

Okrastar1
12-01-2016, 12:37 AM
Hoops just watch and see, I'll eat crow if I'm off base, but I think you will see

bulldog2488
12-01-2016, 11:12 AM
Any word on Wigley? I saw that he took his last official to Colorado last weekend and 247 just CB'd him to them.

Ari Gold
12-01-2016, 11:27 AM
Any word on Wigley? I saw that he took his last official to Colorado last weekend and 247 just CB'd him to them.

We going to probably pass on him.
Nixon is top of the board

jumbo
12-01-2016, 11:36 AM
Any word on Wigley? I saw that he took his last official to Colorado last weekend and 247 just CB'd him to them.



He's announcing today so I would assume it's Colorado. Nixon is our top target.

HoopsDawg
12-01-2016, 11:54 AM
Hoops just watch and see, I'll eat crow if I'm off base, but I think you will see

I feel good on Autry, but it's na?ve to not be concerned about his Oklahoma visit. We lost Gabe Campbell and Jamal Danley to them a couple of years ago.

bulldog2488
12-01-2016, 12:02 PM
We going to probably pass on him.
Nixon is top of the board

Got cha. I'm okay with that if we can get Nixon. Are we feeling good about him?

Ari Gold
12-01-2016, 12:11 PM
Got cha. I'm okay with that if we can get Nixon. Are we feeling good about him?

As of right now yes ..

Ifyouonlyknew
12-01-2016, 12:23 PM
Another Juco CB we've been talking to but haven't set up an OV at last I heard was Octavious Morgan. He's at Butler CC, KS. I actually like him more than Wigley but not quite as much as Nixon. Nixon is NFL caliber.

HoopsDawg
12-01-2016, 10:04 PM
Before everyone goes completely meltdown and starts the knee jerk freak out..
- We have never been on Abrams short list.
- With Cole there are off the field issues , he still may be a take but if he isn't it's 100% our decision
- and there is a new name out there Hakeem Bailey. And yeah he might be plan B if a few others fall thru, but at least we
Have a good plan B..

If we pull Nixon And Woods . Homerun.

It's not looking good on Woods.

Ifyouonlyknew
12-01-2016, 11:17 PM
It's not looking good on Woods.

Or Nixon

Bothrops
12-01-2016, 11:32 PM
Is it Michigan or Arkansas for Woods? It would be crazy for him to select either over us, imo.

msstate7
12-01-2016, 11:40 PM
Is it Michigan or Arkansas for Woods? It would be crazy for him to select either over us, imo.

Crazy to select Michigan over us? I hope he does pick us, but Michigan is back to a premier program

Bothrops
12-01-2016, 11:51 PM
Crazy to select Michigan over us? I hope he does pick us, but Michigan is back to a premier program

Which would bode the most favorable for his future at LB?

msstate7
12-02-2016, 12:00 AM
Which would bode the most favorable for his future at LB?

Oh ok... thought you were insinuating state > Michigan. My bad

msstate7
12-02-2016, 12:02 AM
Or Nixon
Time to re-think on wigley?

Todd4State
12-02-2016, 12:10 AM
Time to re-think on wigley?

IMO, no. I say we try to get Nixon if we can. If we can't let's roll with Peters, Durr, Giles, and Smokey next year. Tolando will be back too although I don't know how he will be post injury.

Lumpy Chucklelips
12-02-2016, 12:21 AM
Heard we're not expecting to get Woods and that the WR from Gulf Coast has cancelled his visit this weekend and is visiting LSU instead. I hope we can close on more than we lose this year for a change. Not sure we're off to a good start though.

Vandelay Industries
12-02-2016, 10:27 AM
Heard we're not expecting to get Woods and that the WR from Gulf Coast has cancelled his visit this weekend and is visiting LSU instead. I hope we can close on more than we lose this year for a change. Not sure we're off to a good start though.

Who is the WR?

maroonmania
12-02-2016, 10:35 AM
Heard we're not expecting to get Woods and that the WR from Gulf Coast has cancelled his visit this weekend and is visiting LSU instead. I hope we can close on more than we lose this year for a change. Not sure we're off to a good start though.

We tend to be the worst closers in the SEC in recruiting so none of this should be surprising. That is why, in the past, our best recruiting normally has occurred in the summer.

Dawg-gone-dawgs
12-02-2016, 11:15 AM
BrandonMartin (http://247sports.com/Player/Brandon-Martin-37744)

HoopsDawg
12-02-2016, 11:30 AM
Time to re-think on wigley?

Too late. And Woods signed with Michigan.

bulldog2488
12-02-2016, 11:30 AM
Dang I was hoping we would get Nixon or Wigley. Got any good news coming our way IYOK or Ari?

Ifyouonlyknew
12-02-2016, 11:32 AM
There's 2 Juco CB that we've talked to & need to get here for a visit. Octavious Morgan & Hakeem Bailey.

HoopsDawg
12-02-2016, 11:35 AM
Ravian Pierce is officially visiting this weekend so it will be interesting to see how that goes.

Ari Gold
12-02-2016, 11:44 AM
TBuck meeting with Nixon on Sunday or Monday.. Like I said if he keeps that visit and it's still on as of now we have great shot
Bailey is for sure a take even if we land Nixon.

HoopsDawg
12-02-2016, 11:47 AM
TBuck meeting with Nixon on Sunday or Monday.. Like I said if he keeps that visit and it's still on as of now we have great shot
Bailey is for sure a take even if we land Nixon.

Nixon is visiting UT instead of us. It's over on him.

Bothrops
12-02-2016, 11:54 AM
Ravian needs to come on in and put this dithering to rest. I know we can get him back.

ShotgunDawg
12-02-2016, 11:56 AM
Nixon is visiting UT instead of us. It's over on him.

Ridiculous. UT is a terrible situation right now, but it doesn't matter for whatever reason

There is a perceived status of offers in college football that doesn't seem to change regardless of the situation.

Ari Gold
12-02-2016, 12:02 PM
Nixon is visiting UT instead of us. It's over on him.

He might be.. But I was just told it was still on for him to come here. And TBuck is having in home next few days..
If it's Tenn or some other school in the end so be it.. But the effort to close Nixon has been ALL IN .. Can't say that about other recruits but I can about this one.

bulldog2488
12-02-2016, 12:07 PM
He might be.. But I was just told it was still on for him to come here. And TBuck is having in home next few days..
If it's Tenn or some other school in the end so be it.. But the effort to close Nixon has been ALL IN .. Can't say that about other recruits but I can about this one.

I really wish we had some more TBuck recruiters on staff. Even if he doesn't close with Nixon, he has already boosted our recruiting from what I've seen.

Bothrops
12-02-2016, 12:09 PM
He might be.. But I was just told it was still on for him to come here. And TBuck is having in home next few days..
If it's Tenn or some other school in the end so be it.. But the effort to close Nixon has been ALL IN .. Can't say that about other recruits but I can about this one.

Good to know.

Bothrops
12-02-2016, 12:21 PM
Ridiculous. UT is a terrible situation right now, but it doesn't matter for whatever reason

There is a perceived status of offers in college football that doesn't seem to change regardless of the situation.

Yep, Tennessee is trending down again. With Nixon being a Juco, he needs to worry about getting to play on Sundays, not being wiled because of a brand name.

maroonmania
12-02-2016, 12:51 PM
Yep, Tennessee is trending down again.

Maybe, but that might be a hard sell to a recruit when they are an 8-4 team and we are a 5-7 team.

Bothrops
12-02-2016, 01:30 PM
Maybe, but that might be a hard sell to a recruit when they are an 8-4 team and we are a 5-7 team.

Is Dobbs back next year?

ShotgunDawg
12-02-2016, 01:46 PM
Is Dobbs back next year?

No. They'll suck

msstate7
12-03-2016, 02:24 AM
Any particular reason why Sean levy crystal balled gay to om tonight? Levy is a 247 recruiting writer and he's at 86.36% (8th overall)

spiritual_machine2005
12-03-2016, 09:26 AM
DJ at OM247 is reporting that Willie agay is taking his OV with Cam Akers this weekend. I'm sure thats why.

msstate7
12-03-2016, 09:44 AM
DJ at OM247 is reporting that Willie agay is taking his OV with Cam Akers this weekend. I'm sure thats why.

If the NCAA is smart, they'll bring in reinforcements. If Akers and gay are there after we embarrassed om by 35 (lol), OM is going all in even if the NCAA brings in the FBI with them. OM is in desperation mode right now

Ifyouonlyknew
12-03-2016, 10:17 AM
Willie OV to OM this weekend is fine by me. That means we will get his last OV.

HoopsDawg
12-03-2016, 01:10 PM
Willie OV to OM this weekend is fine by me. That means we will get his last OV.

I know it's a longshot, but I'm glad Pierce is visiting us this weekend. He's a difference maker at TE.

msstate7
12-03-2016, 01:13 PM
I know it's a longshot, but I'm glad Pierce is visiting us this weekend. He's a difference maker at TE.

Has lsu backed off? Saw him CB'd to Syracuse and Oklahoma state

HoopsDawg
12-03-2016, 01:18 PM
Has lsu backed off? Saw him CB'd to Syracuse and Oklahoma state

Best I can tell he's leaning to Syracuse. He likes LSU, but I don't know how hard they are pushing.

ShotgunDawg
12-03-2016, 01:44 PM
Best I can tell he's leaning to Syracuse. He likes LSU, but I don't know how hard they are pushing.

So he decommitted from us to go to Syracuse?

That doesn't make any sense. There is obviously some missing information here

Ari Gold
12-03-2016, 01:57 PM
RP back in ...

msstate7
12-03-2016, 02:03 PM
RP back in ...

What's that mean?

Really Clark?
12-03-2016, 02:06 PM
What's that mean?

Ravian Pierce

ShotgunDawg
12-03-2016, 02:09 PM
RP back in ...

Would be awesome if so.

He's about to be wide ass open on play action seam routes. Linebackers can afford to bail out with our zone read game.

Ifyouonlyknew
12-03-2016, 02:09 PM
LSU hasn't backed off Ravian they're still on him very hard. I must admit that when he decommitted I never expected him to OV so that's a good sign.

HoopsDawg
12-03-2016, 02:10 PM
RP back in ...

That's great news if it holds. Talking about a TE that has returned kicks in Juco. Nick Fitz will be glad to have him for the next 2 years.

msstate7
12-03-2016, 02:10 PM
Ravian Pierce

I'm so slow some times

HoopsDawg
12-03-2016, 02:11 PM
LSU hasn't backed off Ravian they're still on him very hard. I must admit that when he decommitted I never expected him to OV so that's a good sign.

yeah, our history of getting decommitments back in the boat is not very strong. Getting him to visit is definitely a great sign.

msstate7
12-03-2016, 02:11 PM
So is pierce an Evan engram type? Receiving te?

ShotgunDawg
12-03-2016, 02:14 PM
So is pierce an Evan engram type? Receiving te?

Taller version of Malcolm Johnson. He's more physical than Engram

maroonmania
12-03-2016, 03:54 PM
I'm so slow some times

Yea, for a minute my mind wondered to Ron Polk being back in because Cohen is no longer our head baseball coach.***

bulldog2488
12-03-2016, 04:29 PM
RP back in ...

Ari, are you saying he recommitted?

Ari Gold
12-03-2016, 04:43 PM
Ari, are you saying he recommitted?

That's the word.. May be wanting to have his day on signing day and make it official then.

Commercecomet24
12-03-2016, 05:02 PM
That's the word.. May be wanting to have his day on signing day and make it official then.

That would be big! You think it's for sure?

Ari Gold
12-03-2016, 05:08 PM
That would be big! You think it's for sure?

Yes

maroonmania
12-03-2016, 05:09 PM
That's the word.. May be wanting to have his day on signing day and make it official then.

Will Pierce be a Dec signee?

bulldog2488
12-03-2016, 05:09 PM
Yes

Would he enroll with the rest of the JUCO guys or enroll next summer?

Lumpy Chucklelips
12-03-2016, 06:10 PM
I'm so slow some times

It's ok. I thought he meant Ryan Perrilloux.

Ari Gold
12-03-2016, 06:13 PM
Will Pierce be a Dec signee?

EE

ShotgunDawg
12-03-2016, 06:23 PM
Is Pierce our Poe?

He has to have the record for most times committed to MSU

If I recall, this could be the 4th time. At least 3

Commercecomet24
12-03-2016, 06:42 PM
Yes

Appreciate the info! Love the info you're bringing. Pierce would be a big get. We get him and our TE's starting to look like the pats. Green, Thomas, Johnson, Pierce. I like where I te group is headed. We can use them in packages attached or split out. I love the mismatch good TE's provide!

msstate7
12-04-2016, 07:59 PM
Will we try and add another qb or will Wyatt Roberts be 3rd string next season?

ShotgunDawg
12-04-2016, 08:36 PM
Will we try and add another qb or will Wyatt Roberts be 3rd string next season?

Looks like we may try to get another but Key needs to sign first before that effort really accelerates.

CadaverDawg
12-04-2016, 09:59 PM
Are we after Evan Fields out of Oklahoma? He tweeted out that he was postponing his commitment date until later on down the road, and Paul Jones retweeted it. I noticed we're listed as "warm" on 247, but he is 100% CB'd to OSU. Paul doesn't usually tweet stuff like that unless it could affect us, that's why I ask. Any shot? Who recruits Oklahoma for us?

Ifyouonlyknew
12-04-2016, 10:30 PM
Are we after Evan Fields out of Oklahoma? He tweeted out that he was postponing his commitment date until later on down the road, and Paul Jones retweeted it. I noticed we're listed as "warm" on 247, but he is 100% CB'd to OSU. Paul doesn't usually tweet stuff like that unless it could affect us, that's why I ask. Any shot? Who recruits Oklahoma for us?

I want to say he listed us in his top 5 or 6. Don't quote me but I think it may be Linguist.

CadaverDawg
12-04-2016, 11:00 PM
I want to say he listed us in his top 5 or 6. Don't quote me but I think it may be Linguist.

Thanks. He's listed as a 3 star but apparently has a lot of good teams offering...what's his deal? Stud? Any chance we can pull a rabbit out of the hat?

Ifyouonlyknew
12-04-2016, 11:08 PM
Thanks. He's listed as a 3 star but apparently has a lot of good teams offering...what's his deal? Stud? Any chance we can pull a rabbit out of the hat?

We lock up CJ I don't see us pushing for him

CadaverDawg
12-05-2016, 01:26 AM
We lock up CJ I don't see us pushing for him

Good deal

Todd4State
12-05-2016, 02:24 AM
Appreciate the info! Love the info you're bringing. Pierce would be a big get. We get him and our TE's starting to look like the pats. Green, Thomas, Johnson, Pierce. I like where I te group is headed. We can use them in packages attached or split out. I love the mismatch good TE's provide!

Don't forget about Dontae Jones as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the TE's moved to WR- probably Johnson or Jones. I guess it just depends on how the spring goes.

BrunswickDawg
12-05-2016, 08:21 AM
Don't forget about Dontae Jones as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the TE's moved to WR- probably Johnson or Jones. I guess it just depends on how the spring goes.

Don't forget Robeson either as a possibility to move out from TE. He played there for most of his SR HS season and really excelled. He doesn't have top end speed, but showed great hands and route running.

msstate7
12-05-2016, 12:37 PM
Does anyone have any idea where shanon Reid is going? Seems he's CB'd to a different school every day

Bothrops
12-05-2016, 01:27 PM
Does anyone have any idea where shanon Reid is going? Seems he's CB'd to a different school every day

He's currently on LSU's holding list, and was down there over the weekend. He's supposedly announcing soon. LSU has a couple guys ahead of him, but could offer since he was raving about the place.

bulldog2488
12-05-2016, 01:53 PM
Does anybody know if we are going to sign a legit kicker? I like Graves and all, but we need somebody that can at least make them consistently from 40-45 yards. I know there is speculation that Graves has been hurt, but we still need to sign a kicker.

Red Sox Dawg
12-05-2016, 02:00 PM
Is Pierce our Poe?

He has to have the record for most times committed to MSU

If I recall, this could be the 4th time. At least 3

Pretty sure JJ Grant holds the record.

Dawg-gone-dawgs
12-05-2016, 02:19 PM
yes according to Paul

RezDog7
12-05-2016, 02:49 PM
Does anybody know why we aren't very good at recruiting? This is a serious question because some of the decisions kids make these days seem very odd and for whatever reason it is never in our favor.

HoopsDawg
12-05-2016, 02:59 PM
Does anybody know why we aren't very good at recruiting? This is a serious question because some of the decisions kids make these days seem very odd and for whatever reason it is never in our favor.

It starts at the top. Then you have to look at the assistants and where are they from and can they relate to kids in our recruiting territory.

Dawg-gone-dawgs
12-05-2016, 03:01 PM
IMO its a battle between us offering early playing time and others offering money. They just cant make up their minds what they want more but ultimately money wins out. Sounds silly but it really could be the reason, sadly.