Football Transfer Portal Thread

[Todd4State]

Is this bad news or nah?

https://twitter.com/i/status/2011961855049146473


Good. We have Jayvin James who can be a swing guy at guard and he can play tackle and we might need to free up some NIL for other players.

[Tripp McNeely]

Ummm...sooo, no mention of Jordan Seaton??? Nothing??

[bigplayslay]

Ummm...sooo, no mention of Jordan Seaton??? Nothing??

I?ve seen his name quite a few times on here. He?s on campus and we?re throwing around money for him.

[BeardoMSU]

Ummm...sooo, no mention of Jordan Seaton??? Nothing??

See Todd like 3 posts up...

[bigplayslay]

See Todd like 3 posts up...

There is also a whole other thread

[BeardoMSU]

There is also a whole other thread

Indeed, lol

[BlackSailsDawg]

DaKaari Nelson is visiting. 4 star LB from Penn St. Home town Selma, Al

[BlackSailsDawg]

Mason Barton will be in for a visit. Has played over 970 snaps. 670 of those this past season allowing 2 sacks. This is the guy that TX now has on radar and is there now. To me, this will be a guy with experience and cheaper.

[ScoobaDawg]

Updated a few more sections so we can see more like what OL, DL are available.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm liking where we are right now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm liking where we are right now.

Thanks for the 247 update.


As for where IT ACTUALLY STANDS, we know we have to survive Miami. Cristobal cut his chops as an OL coach and always has really solid OLs. Miami was one of the first teams mentioned when he went into the portal, I think Michael Irvin tweeted at him. However, we're not going to be outbid. We have made an incredible offer and everyone from the equipment managers to Keenum was there to put on the full court press last night and into this morning.

We survive Miami, we have a damn good shot.

[DawgFromOxford]

Keenum was there

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

[BeardoMSU]

How we feeling about this last hour and a half?

[BeardoMSU]

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

[Maroon Glasses]

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

Lol. This is great. Hilarious because it's probably true

[AROB44]

Keenum was there

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

I've never understood the dislike for Keenum. Is it just based on the message board hive mindset or something real? I doubt anyone on here really knows what it takes to run a university the size of MSU.

[DEDawg]

Keenum was there

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

I've never understood the dislike for Keenum. Is it just based on the message board hive mindset or something real? I doubt anyone on here really knows what it takes to run a university the size of MSU.

Hired both Cohen and Arnett

[Brobi-wan]

Keenum was there

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

I've never understood the dislike for Keenum. Is it just based on the message board hive mindset or something real? I doubt anyone on here really knows what it takes to run a university the size of MSU.

I think the sentiment is more he is past his prime. Was good, is just okay at best now:

[DawgFromOxford]

Keenum was there

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

I've never understood the dislike for Keenum. Is it just based on the message board hive mindset or something real? I doubt anyone on here really knows what it takes to run a university the size of MSU.

I don?t dislike Keenum as a person. I just don?t want him involved in athletics outside of helping Selmon raise money

[Mjoelner34]

The feeling seems to have soured since then but does anyone remember the constant message board posts wanting Keenum as president when we had Charles Lee and Foglesong?

https://y.yarn.co/e45ca000-4a98-4a72-89d7-56ac9a4056aa_text.gif

[CaptainObvious]

The feeling seems to have soured since then but does anyone remember the constant message board posts wanting Keenum as president when we had Charles Lee and Foglesong?

https://y.yarn.co/e45ca000-4a98-4a72-89d7-56ac9a4056aa_text.gif

Well compared to a Dean running the show and a former WWI biplane pilot, Keenum felt like a breath of fresh air. But that?s just me.

[Maroons]

Foglesong should be considered an MSU hero for the simple reason that he retired Templeton.

[Cowbell]

Keenum was there

Well that doesn?t give me the warm and fuzzies

He just sat in the corner and wanked it to a 2010 picture of Dan holding up the EB Trophy ***

I've never understood the dislike for Keenum. Is it just based on the message board hive mindset or something real? I doubt anyone on here really knows what it takes to run a university the size of MSU.

For me personally, it's his constant need to be a polished politician and his constant need to insert himself into the spotlight. He isn't authentic. I've been around him in a professional setting as much as most on this board - in places like Washington DC. He is not the same person to people with prominence vs those who aren't. Just my experience.

[Mjoelner34]

Foglesong should be considered an MSU hero for the simple reason that he retired Templeton.

This is what got the ball rolling! The embarrassing 15 minute flyover is all forgiven because of this!

[Thick]

This is a portal thread. Take the President discussion to it?s own thread.

[TrapGame]

This is a portal thread. Take the President discussion to it?s own thread.

Exactly. I want to know about the rumor that we have the school jet at Miami waiting on Seaton.

[CaptainObvious]

Exactly. I want to know about the rumor that we have the school jet at Miami waiting on Seaton.

So we are using the State Jet to transport Seaton to his LSU visit? No wonder they call State ?The People?sUniversity?

[Coursesuper]

This is a portal thread. Take the President discussion to it?s own thread.

Yes please.

[Todd4State]

Exactly. I want to know about the rumor that we have the school jet at Miami waiting on Seaton.

Trying to make him comfortable in his new jet.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Exactly. I want to know about the rumor that we have the school jet at Miami waiting on Seaton.

It is not to bring him back. I can tell you that. He is still visiting LSU tomorrow.

[BorneDawg]

When does portal close?

[Thick]

Signing day is February 4th right?

[Todd4State]

When does portal close?

The portal closed the 16th. We have until February 2nd I think to sign players because of MSU's add/drop date.

[Todd4State]

Signing day is February 4th right?

Maybe for high school and JUCO players that didn't enroll in December.

[Todd4State]

Hired both Cohen and Arnett

More like he took the bullet for the people who hired Cohen and Arnett.

The people who did that are up there with the people who fired Allyn McKeen in my book.

As a school president you can't completely alienate boosters because you need their money.

I can tell you for a fact that Keenum did not want to hire Cohen as AD. Arnett? Pretty sure it was framed to Keenum as we had "no choice" but to hire him. That was a lie.

[ZedFedder]

How are things looking with Seaton? Any word?

[bulldawg28]

The portal closed the 16th. We have until February 2nd I think to sign players because of MSU's add/drop date.


It's my understanding the window to enter the postal closed. Players left in the portal can still be signed.

[bulldawg28]

How are things looking with Seaton? Any word?

No one will know what Seaton is thinking until he commits. There is no connected to him within MSU to speak otherwise. He's on a visit to LSU at the moment.

[msstate7]

How are things looking with Seaton? Any word?

I have zero inside info, but lsu and Miami are the competition. How you think it's gonna turn out? Deep down, we all know...

[Coursesuper]

More like he took the bullet for the people who hired Cohen and Arnett.

The people who did that are up there with the people who fired Allyn McKeen in my book.

As a school president you can't completely alienate boosters because you need their money.

I can tell you for a fact that Keenum did not want to hire Cohen as AD. Arnett? Pretty sure it was framed to Keenum as we had "no choice" but to hire him. That was a lie.

This is correct, I don’t understand why so many can’t comprehend the fact that the boosters run the 17ing show when it comes to athletics and also not a certain extent the institution as a whole. Funding makes the world go around. I know this is a hard concept for you simpleton 17ers to understand. Now back to the portal instead of ignorance.

[Thick]

No one will know what Seaton is thinking until he commits. There is no connected to him within MSU to speak otherwise. He's on a visit to LSU at the moment.

Pete Thamel is saying he?s visiting LSU and then to Oregon. Phil Knight money in play. At least we got him to campus!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pete Thamel is saying he?s visiting LSU and then to Oregon. Phil Knight money in play. At least we got him to campus!

It is not about money with Seaton, and we will be the highest bidder. This thing is going to come down to who he trusts and who he believes will have him as a top 10 pick next year. That is why I truly think it comes down to us and Miami. Cristobal is a former OL and always has strong OLs and we are coached by a former OL and his old position coach at Colorado. We have a couple of edges over them. First, we play in the SEC which scouts value. Second, he will be the key to our OL. If they look good he will get the pub. At Miami he will be just another cog.

[Thick]

It is not about money with Seaton, and we will be the highest bidder. This thing is going to come down to who he trusts and who he believes will have him as a top 10 pick next year. That is why I truly think it comes down to us and Miami. Cristobal is a former OL and always has strong OLs and we are coached by a former OL and his old position coach at Colorado. We have a couple of edges over them. First, we play in the SEC which scouts value. Second, he will be the key to our OL. If they look good he will get the pub. At Miami he will be just another cog.

I hope you?re right!

[Coursesuper]

It is not about money with Seaton, and we will be the highest bidder. This thing is going to come down to who he trusts and who he believes will have him as a top 10 pick next year. That is why I truly think it comes down to us and Miami. Cristobal is a former OL and always has strong OLs and we are coached by a former OL and his old position coach at Colorado. We have a couple of edges over them. First, we play in the SEC which scouts value. Second, he will be the key to our OL. If they look good he will get the pub. At Miami he will be just another cog.

The Tigahs are reportedly spending 7.5 million on their QB room alone. So could that play into our favor in this situation?

[Maroon Glasses]

It is not about money with Seaton, and we will be the highest bidder. This thing is going to come down to who he trusts and who he believes will have him as a top 10 pick next year. That is why I truly think it comes down to us and Miami. Cristobal is a former OL and always has strong OLs and we are coached by a former OL and his old position coach at Colorado. We have a couple of edges over them. First, we play in the SEC which scouts value. Second, he will be the key to our OL. If they look good he will get the pub. At Miami he will be just another cog.

If what you're saying is true about being the highest bidder (not saying I don't believe you) then that makes me smile a little. I'm happy to see that we aren't afraid to throw some money around. We have been known since forever ago to let others outbid us. Even if we don't get him, if we are a top 3 bidder then that's a big win and a step in the right direction imo. And as other have said, Mississippi State has been posted on every major recruiting outlet since he came to visit. Keep doing this and some chips will eventually fall our way.

[Todd4State]

If what you're saying is true about being the highest bidder (not saying I don't believe you) then that makes me smile a little. I'm happy to see that we aren't afraid to throw some money around. We have been known since forever ago to let others outbid us. Even if we don't get him, if we are a top 3 bidder then that's a big win and a step in the right direction imo. And as other have said, Mississippi State has been posted on every major recruiting outlet since he came to visit. Keep doing this and some chips will eventually fall our way.

Yeah. I've had issues with MSU "not wanting to overpay" in some instances in the past but the reality is in our position to get some players we need we're going to have to do that some.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yeah. I've had issues with MSU "not wanting to overpay" in some instances in the past but the reality is in our position to get some players we need we're going to have to do that some.

We are. And by no means am I saying overpay for every position and screw yourself in the long run. But this is a guy and a position of need that can swing a season in the right direction. Overpaying here is good imo. Maybe there will be a day where we don't have to overpay if we can get some good seasons rolling along.. but that day isn't now.

[DEDawg]

This is correct, I don’t understand why so many can’t comprehend the fact that the boosters run the 17ing show when it comes to athletics and also not a certain extent the institution as a whole. Funding makes the world go around. I know this is a hard concept for you simpleton 17ers to understand. Now back to the portal instead of ignorance.

Get lost

[Coursesuper]

Get lost

See things as they not how you want them to be. This is our core issue, entitled whataboutism and fixing the blame on the easy target. Believing is easy.

[DEDawg]

See things as they not how you want them to be. This is our core issue, entitled whataboutism and fixing the blame on the easy target. Believing is easy.

The projecting is quite enlightening. I?ve worked for the university all but 2 years of Keenum?s tenure. People change and he is not the leader of 2009-2019 you still believe him to be in your little fantasy world. The lose if the R1 in 2015 was the start. He got it back which was great but that started a lot of doubt in high ranking individuals

[BlackSailsDawg]

How are things looking with Seaton? Any word?

He will be at Oregon on Monday.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The Tigahs are reportedly spending 7.5 million on their QB room alone. So could that play into our favor in this situation?

I think the issue for LSU will be what they already have. At tackle, LSU has Weston Davis, Devin Harper, Sean Thompkins, JaKolby Jones, Darrin Strey and others who are all slated to compete for playing time. Davis and Thompkins have experience. Davis hit the portal, but they paid him well to stay.

[Coursesuper]

The projecting is quite enlightening. I?ve worked for the university all but 2 years of Keenum?s tenure. People change and he is not the leader of 2009-2019 you still believe him to be in your little fantasy world. The lose if the R1 in 2015 was the start. He got it back which was great but that started a lot of doubt in high ranking individuals

I don?t believe in anyone, I just get it that leadership is placed and $$$ controls them. These admin guys are playing the game for funding until the next guy does the same. Until our people get together and stop 17ing each other for a portion of political control we will continue to be what we are. Controlled, ignorant and divided, bitching and fixing blame everywhere but where it belongs.

[Tripp McNeely]

If what you're saying is true about being the highest bidder (not saying I don't believe you) then that makes me smile a little. I'm happy to see that we aren't afraid to throw some money around. We have been known since forever ago to let others outbid us. Even if we don't get him, if we are a top 3 bidder then that's a big win and a step in the right direction imo. And as other have said, Mississippi State has been posted on every major recruiting outlet since he came to visit. Keep doing this and some chips will eventually fall our way.

Concur...and imagine what kinda players will be able to get once we start showing that we actually have a pulse on the field! 7-8 wins next year, with the amount of money that we now have to spend would be a game changer for the the future!

[DEDawg]

Anyone know where this money is coming from to write Seaton a blank check? I knew we had more than many were led to believe based on the product last 2 years, but on the flip side I didn't realize we had enough to get into an open check bidding war with Oregon, LSU, and Miami. Is this a one year thing we have found, or do we have the infrastructure in place to spend top 15 money of all P4 programs on football year over year? I'd be shocked if the latter but also thrilled for the future.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Anyone know where this money is coming from to write Seaton a blank check? I knew we had more than many were led to believe based on the product last 2 years, but on the flip side I didn't realize we had enough to get into an open check bidding war with Oregon, LSU, and Miami. Is this a one year thing we have found, or do we have the infrastructure in place to spend top 15 money of all P4 programs on football year over year? I'd be shocked if the latter but also thrilled for the future.

One major purchase isn't the same as being top 15. 4 million is a long ways from 50 million spent by some. But I believe we will have enough at this point to buy the critical pieces year after year

[DEDawg]

One major purchase isn't the same as being top 15. 4 million is a long ways from 50 million spent by some. But I believe we will have enough at this point to buy the critical pieces year after year

I can?t imagine 35M wouldn?t be top 15 and if we are willing to write a blank check for a LT I gotta imagine we are hitting that this year

[Maroon Glasses]

Anyone know where this money is coming from to write Seaton a blank check? I knew we had more than many were led to believe based on the product last 2 years, but on the flip side I didn't realize we had enough to get into an open check bidding war with Oregon, LSU, and Miami. Is this a one year thing we have found, or do we have the infrastructure in place to spend top 15 money of all P4 programs on football year over year? I'd be shocked if the latter but also thrilled for the future.

Great question and hopefully someone can answer it for us. In my mind it's like the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire. Can we spend consistently with the big boys or is this just a special occasion that we can do every few years? I'd be shocked too if we can consistently. Also thrilled. But there are some big, big time players out there. And after Mark Cuban has helped turn Indiana around.. some more might come out of hiding to help their programs. I don't know if we have any but I damn sure hope we do.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think the issue for LSU will be what they already have. At tackle, LSU has Weston Davis, Devin Harper, Sean Thompkins, JaKolby Jones, Darrin Strey and others who are all slated to compete for playing time. Davis and Thompkins have experience. Davis hit the portal, but they paid him well to stay.

Strey - He redshirted
Harper - Barely Played special teams - played mop up duty.
Thompkins - Started 5 games at Baylor
Jakolby - He was at JUCO last year
Weston Davis - Started at RT on the worst LSU offensive line i've ever witnessed.

To say that 'playing time' could be an issue for Seaton because of this group of OL, is just garbage. He would be LSU's LT next year - without even a slight debate.

Honestly, LSU's OL recruiting has been pretty shit compared to what they have been spending elsewhere.

They have signed 9 Wr's. They will play at most 4-5.

[BorneDawg]

Anyone know where this money is coming from to write Seaton a blank check? I knew we had more than many were led to believe based on the product last 2 years, but on the flip side I didn't realize we had enough to get into an open check bidding war with Oregon, LSU, and Miami. Is this a one year thing we have found, or do we have the infrastructure in place to spend top 15 money of all P4 programs on football year over year? I'd be shocked if the latter but also thrilled for the future.

I believe we finally got some of our NFL guys to "pony up".... We've got 5 or more of the higher paid NFL player in the league..... Jones,Simmons, Dak,Cross.... ??

[HancockCountyDog]

Anyone know where this money is coming from to write Seaton a blank check? I knew we had more than many were led to believe based on the product last 2 years, but on the flip side I didn't realize we had enough to get into an open check bidding war with Oregon, LSU, and Miami. Is this a one year thing we have found, or do we have the infrastructure in place to spend top 15 money of all P4 programs on football year over year? I'd be shocked if the latter but also thrilled for the future.

Look - we have had the money. The issue isn't money - it is convincing a kid like Seaton to come play on a team that has won 1 - O-N-E SEC game the last two years to come to MSU.

He can go to LSU, Oregon, Texas, Miami or really anywhere else he wants - and make whatever we are offering him. So it comes down to his desire to be on a winning team, and relationships.

If relationships matter more than winning, we have a legit shot.

As I have said before, we have paid big money to keep guys and go out and get a few guys. I've been told we have overpaid on the young OL that we have signed. If this works out, no one cares. If it doesn't, people are going to wonder why we didn't sign more experienced guys.

The reason the bears have been able to sign high profile guys from the portal isn't just kiffin, its the fact that they have been winning for a while. We have to start winning so we can spend 1 million on a difference maker, as opposed to 1 million on two guys we hope can play.

[DEDawg]

Look - we have had the money. The issue isn't money - it is convincing a kid like Seaton to come play on a team that has won 1 - O-N-E SEC game the last two years to come to MSU.

He can go to LSU, Oregon, Texas, Miami or really anywhere else he wants - and make whatever we are offering him. So it comes down to his desire to be on a winning team, and relationships.

If relationships matter more than winning, we have a legit shot.

As I have said before, we have paid big money to keep guys and go out and get a few guys. I've been told we have overpaid on the young OL that we have signed. If this works out, no one cares. If it doesn't, people are going to wonder why we didn't sign more experienced guys.

The reason the bears have been able to sign high profile guys from the portal isn't just kiffin, it?s the fact that they have been winning for a while. We have to start winning so we can spend 1 million on a difference maker, as opposed to 1 million on two guys we hope can play.

Appreciate the reply but my question is more over sustainability YoY not just Seaton. I don?t believe we had the ability to write a blank check for 1 player in 2023.

[DEDawg]

I believe we finally got some of our NFL guys to "pony up".... We've got 5 or more of the higher paid NFL player in the league..... Jones,Simmons, Dak,Cross.... ??

Could be it. Gotta keep putting players in the league then to continue with that

[Goldendawg]

Great question and hopefully someone can answer it for us. In my mind it's like the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire. Can we spend consistently with the big boys or is this just a special occasion that we can do every few years? I'd be shocked too if we can consistently. Also thrilled. But there are some big, big time players out there. And after Mark Cuban has helped turn Indiana around.. some more might come out of hiding to help their programs. I don't know if we have any but I damn sure hope we do.

Word on some of the pay boards is that Selmon has done a great job of getting our NFL Dawgs involved in a major way. Hail State! Edit: Didn't see BourneDawg post regarding this, (Have to spread rep....).

[StarkVegasSteve]

Appreciate the reply but my question is more over sustainability YoY not just Seaton. I don?t believe we had the ability to write a blank check for 1 player in 2023.

We had the ability, but didn't have the buy in from the fan base and the big boosters. Cohen spent the better part of two years telling them they didn't need to donate to football NIL and we needed to focus on baseball. Kept telling people Leach didn't need much money to win.....because he was telling Leach we didn't have any money.

Ability and funds is never the problem, we have enough to keep it rolling just like OM. It's buy in.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Word on some of the pay boards is that Selmon has done a great job of getting our NFL Dawgs involved in a major way. Hail State!

They were already involved. Most of them just don't want it publicized. We have a couple that have probably given over 10 million in the last 3-4 years.

[Goldendawg]

Could be it. Gotta keep putting players in the league then to continue with that

This and our NFL guys who have signed record contracts at their positions are mostly Mullen guys who are reaching the end of their careers in the coming years. We have to start winning to turn things around to get better players, Catch 22.

[Homedawg]

We had the ability, but didn't have the buy in from the fan base and the big boosters. Cohen spent the better part of two years telling them they didn't need to donate to football NIL and we needed to focus on baseball. Kept telling people Leach didn't need much money to win.....because he was telling Leach we didn't have any money.

Ability and funds is never the problem, we have enough to keep it rolling just like OM. It's buy in.

and to add, Leach didn't like paying players, At all........... didn't believe in it in any way.

[Coursesuper]

We had the ability, but didn't have the buy in from the fan base and the big boosters. Cohen spent the better part of two years telling them they didn't need to donate to football NIL and we needed to focus on baseball. Kept telling people Leach didn't need much money to win.....because he was telling Leach we didn't have any money.

Ability and funds is never the problem, we have enough to keep it rolling just like OM. It's buy in.

I really don’t understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

[Cowbell]

and to add, Leach didn't like paying players, At all........... didn't believe in it in any way.

This. He would never have worked out in the NIL era. He would have retired.

[Turfdawg67]

They were already involved. Most of them just don't want it publicized. We have a couple that have probably given over 10 million in the last 3-4 years.

Man, they gotta be upset on their ROI

OT... Saban's hair gets darker and thicker every broadcast.

[CaptainObvious]

David Murray say State is winding down NIL targeting and starting to focus on JUCO signees and guys in the portal who have no place to go that they can get in the cheap.

[BeardoMSU]

David Murray say State is winding down NIL targeting and starting to focus on JUCO signees and guys in the portal who have no place to go that they can get in the cheap.

Wunderbar**

[DEDawg]

David Murray say State is winding down NIL targeting and starting to focus on JUCO signees and guys in the portal who have no place to go that they can get in the cheap.

I would hope this does not include getting LT figured out first.

[HancockCountyDog]

I would hope this does not include getting LT figured out first.

Or DL. I do not see a Whitson type player in this portal class. We added 4 guys who haven't done much so far on the P4 level.

Same goes for the OL minus Chester. Lets hope we aren't done.

[HoopsDawg]

Or DL. I do not see a Whitson type player in this portal class. We added 4 guys who haven't done much so far on the P4 level.

Same goes for the OL minus Chester. Let?s hope we aren't done.

I think all remaining funds are focused on a LT and an Edge. Then it will be a lot of depth pieces to fill out the 105. Still cant believe we lost the Tulane kid to NcState.

[Todd4State]

This. He would never have worked out in the NIL era. He would have retired.

Before he passed away he was promoting the Bulldog initiative pretty hard. Which was right after Cohen left.

He may not have liked paying players. But he would have done it if he had to. Heck- his best QB came out of the portal in Gardner Minchew and he actually recruited the portal better without NIL than Arnett and Lebby did from 2022-2024. See Makai Polk, Randy Charlton, and etc.

Just because he was eccentric didn't mean he wouldn't do something to win games if he had to.

If Cohen told him that we had money and that NIL was vital to fielding a team like we all wanted I'm 99% sure Leach would have been fine with using it. A lot of the stuff Leach didn't do was because Cohen told him we didn't need it. See StarkvilleSteve's comments.

[Todd4State]

I would hope this does not include getting LT figured out first.

We'll circle back to Sneh if we have to. I would probably take him anyway because even though his measurables aren't perfect he graded well and we need all the help we can get. If they aren't built like Jonathan Ogden that's fine.

[Pancho]

What is the deal on Sneh? Is he an overlooked player like Fluff or what?

[Bdawg]

That the Jackson state guy? And what?s the deal with James? I thought it was too late to get in the portal even if he wanted.

[Tripp McNeely]

What is the deal on Sneh? Is he an overlooked player like Fluff or what?

He's only about 6'2"

[Tripp McNeely]

That the Jackson state guy? And what?s the deal with James? I thought it was too late to get in the portal even if he wanted.

Barton is the Jackson State guy. He's just not that good. Texas brought him in for a visit and passed on him too. He ended up at Coastal Carolina, and sounds like that's where he needs to be

[Bdawg]

Barton is the Jackson State guy. He's just not that good. Texas brought him in for a visit and passed on him too. He ended up at Coastal Carolina, and sounds like that's where he needs to be

Thanks.

[Pancho]

He's only about 6'2"

thx

[vv83]

So if Seaton goes to LSU or Oregon do we use that "blank check" on Markel Bell to keep him from the NFL (+hopefully another DE)?

[Goldendawg]

This. He would never have worked out in the NIL era. He would have retired.

And NIL/Portal is also why Saban retired. Bama was always paying players (as most big programs), but he could no longer force 4 and 5-stars to sit on the bench waiting for playing time in their JR and SR years. Due to the portal and NIL, other programs could offer them similar or more $ and immediate playing time.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/PortalPredict/status/2013661696800247983?s=20

[Pancho]

And NIL/Portal is also why Saban retired. Bama was always paying players (as most big programs), but he could no longer force 4 and 5-stars to sit on the bench waiting for playing time in their JR and SR years. Due to the portal and NIL, other programs could offer them similar or more $ and immediate playing time.

Lane is basically paying guys to sit on the bench in LSU now. All of them can't play at the same time.

[BlackSailsDawg]

That the Jackson state guy? And what?s the deal with James? I thought it was too late to get in the portal even if he wanted.

Jackson state guy has signed with coastal carolina. James allowed 3 sacks and a lot of QB hurries and hits. He also had something like 8 penalties. He informed the staff early enough

[BlackSailsDawg]

Lane is basically paying guys to sit on the bench in LSU now. All of them can't play at the same time.

There are teams out there that are letting it be known. There is no amount of money that is too much for them to spend. LSU is one. They are paying for a staff they dismissed, plus a new staff, plus spending roughly 55 million on new players.

And LSU will get the money from where ever they can.

[confucius say]

Appreciate the reply but my question is more over sustainability YoY not just Seaton. I don?t believe we had the ability to write a blank check for 1 player in 2023.

We spent less than 7 figures on our entire 2023 roster. Let that sink in.
Cohen should be kicked square in the nuts.

[StarkVegasSteve]

and to add, Leach didn't like paying players, At all........... didn't believe in it in any way.

He didn't believe in it but understood it was the way of the future. I had a conversation with Mike on that in July of 22. He railed on it for about 15 minutes on how stupid it was and finished it with, "But if we don't, I'll have to win with little Timmy Sanders who runs at 5.8 and has the hand eye coordination of a blind 17 nun. And even I can't win with that little"

[maroonmania]

We spent less than 7 figures on our entire 2023 roster. Let that sink in.
Cohen should be kicked square in the nuts.

Agree, and thats just for one of many reasons. What a lousy AD he was for us.

[Todd4State]

He didn't believe in it but understood it was the way of the future. I had a conversation with Mike on that in July of 22. He railed on it for about 15 minutes on how stupid it was and finished it with, "But if we don't, I'll have to win with little Timmy Sanders who runs at 5.8 and has the hand eye coordination of a blind 17 nun. And even I can't win with that little"

No wonder he was talking about throwing midgets over the offensive line! LOL.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Brandon Sneh in the boat. A good get, but not indicative on Seaton in any way. We needed another OT after James transferred.

[RisperDawg]

Brandon Sneh in the boat. A good get, but not indicative on Seaton in any way. We needed another OT after James transferred.

Thanks for updating the thread and putting it in context.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Brandon Sneh in the boat. A good get, but not indicative on Seaton in any way. We needed another OT after James transferred.

Glenn West:

I honestly don't have a great feel on Seaton now. Oregon in the mix, so is Miami but him leaving LSU without signing was not what I expected on Monday. Thought Tigers would close and heard Seaton was really impressed with that visit. We'll see but it's a toss up right now.

[HancockCountyDog]

Brandon Sneh in the boat. A good get, but not indicative on Seaton in any way. We needed another OT after James transferred.

Do you think we have a chance? I've been told we have moved on. I appreciate the effort, but we have other holes to fill.

[Goldendawg]

Our former safety, Mitchell, has signed with OM. There is a free article from yesterday on Genespage showing the landing spots, or lack thereof, for many of our former players. I regard going to another SEC program as a lateral move, or even an upgrade, for a player who has gone to Alabama. The vast majority that have found a home have really stepped down a level or two from the SEC. About ten have landed nowhere to date. This is a real indictment of our poor evaluation, recruiting, or just taking warm bodies for a practice squad for about the last three years.

[confucius say]

Do you think we have a chance? I've been told we have moved on. I appreciate the effort, but we have other holes to fill.

No. Both sides have moved on.

[HancockCountyDog]

Jayvin James to Alabama, as we all expected.

I gotta admit, I didn't expect most of our OL to sign with Mizzou and or Bama.

So we lose:

Owens - Mizzou
James - Bama
Work - Mizzou
Jimothy - Cal

We gain

Dent
Matthews
Prudhomme
Nash
McVay
Miller
Chester
Sneh

No clue how this will work out, but the OL market must be rough out there if Bama and Mizzou are signing our OL.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Caleb Unger just committed! That's 2027 IOL 4 star

[Thick]

From MRA?? He?s a 3 star

[StarkVegasSteve]

An update on Seaton from Matt Moscona:

Seaton is leaning towards Oregon.

How you should read this is: "Seaton isn't coming to LSU. I don't really care where he goes so I'll just go with the team that was mentioned after us."

We're still in this thing. Do I think we get it across the finish line? 50/50. But we're in it.

[Todd4State]

An update on Seaton from Matt Moscona:

Seaton is leaning towards Oregon.

How you should read this is: "Seaton isn't coming to LSU. I don't really care where he goes so I'll just go with the team that was mentioned after us."

We're still in this thing. Do I think we get it across the finish line? 50/50. But we're in it.

Did he ever actually visit Oregon? Or did Lanning just visit him?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Did he ever actually visit Oregon? Or did Lanning just visit him?

Lanning visited him. He didn't go to Eugene.

[Thick]

I thought both sides had moved on.

[CaptainObvious]

I thought both sides had moved on.

State was his favorite visit, but Lebby had to guarantee 10 wins and a playoff spot to get his signature!😂😂😂

[BigDawg81]

State was his favorite visit, but Lebby had to guarantee 10 wins and a playoff spot to get his signature!������

“ Sure man, we are getting 10 wins and a playoff spot. Have a seat Mr.Seaton”

[TaleofTwoDogs]

State was his favorite visit, but Lebby had to guarantee 10 wins and a playoff spot to get his signature!

I think he has that backwards. We guarantee the money, he guarantees the 10 wins.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think he has that backwards. We guarantee the money, he guarantees the 10 wins.

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

[Goldendawg]

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

Bifocal Maroon colored lenses there.******

[bulldawg28]

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

You serious?

[confucius say]

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

Oh my goodness

[RisperDawg]

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

I like this optimism. I think back to Will "Stone Legs" Rogers when he had Charles Cross. Now imagine a QB with an arm that can move. Ha. I can grow some wool about this.

[Todd4State]

I like this optimism. I think back to Will "Stone Legs" Rogers when he had Charles Cross. Now imagine a QB with an arm that can move. Ha. I can grow some wool about this.

Again we averaged 30 PPG with one of the worst offensive lines I have ever seen at MSU. How many points per game Dan we score with a decent OL even?

If we have a decent or good OL we could easily get up to 35 PPG. And if Arnett can make even marginal improvements to say 25 PPG which would be in the lower half of the SEC still- that's not too far from what Ole Miss did this year. They scored 37 PPG on offense and 21 PPG on defense and won 11 regular season. So if we can improve our numbers to 35/25 I could definitely see us getting 9-10.

[Todd4State]

And I was curious because of where we are now relative to Kiffin at Ole Miss in 2021- they averaged 34 PPG on offense and 24 on defense. They won 9 games that year.

[HancockCountyDog]

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

Well I thought the comment that next year's defense was one player away being compared to the 2018 defense would be the worst take on this board, yet here we go.

You really think we are a LT away from having a shot to win 10 games next year? That means you think we are one player away from being a playoff team. Because with our schedule, 10 wins is a guaranteed playoff spot.

I am hoping that we can win 6-7 games next year.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Well I thought the comment that next year's defense was one player away being compared to the 2018 defense would be the worst take on this board, yet here we go.

You really think we are a LT away from having a shot to win 10 games next year? That means you think we are one player away from being a playoff team. Because with our schedule, 10 wins is a guaranteed playoff spot.

I am hoping that we can win 6-7 games next year.

There is noway to know without playing the game. We all know that. However, we also know what we accomplished with this offense and an extremely bad OL. Any improvement to the OL should result in more wins so long as there is no drop off at QB. I personally think that KT will continue to improve. With a better OL, our run game gets better.

When you combine that with an overall better defense, we should win more.


On Seaton, getting him puts our OL close to being elite over all. Still remains to be seen on what he is going to do, but I do like where we are.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There is noway to know without playing the game. We all know that. However, we also know what we accomplished with this offense and an extremely bad OL. Any improvement to the OL should result in more wins so long as there is no drop off at QB. I personally think that KT will continue to improve. With a better OL, our run game gets better.

When you combine that with an overall better defense, we should win more.


On Seaton, getting him puts our OL close to being elite over all. Still remains to be seen on what he is going to do, but I do like where we are.

I know a better OL wins you Tennessee and Texas. I suspect a better OL wins you Florida as well because you just run it at the end. That's 8 and all that takes is an average line because we should've won all those games with a god awful line.

Add a guaranteed day 1 NFL First Round pick at the most important position on the line? Hell yes I think that gets in the 10 win conversation.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Again we averaged 30 PPG with one of the worst offensive lines I have ever seen at MSU. How many points per game Dan we score with a decent OL even?

If we have a decent or good OL we could easily get up to 35 PPG. And if Arnett can make even marginal improvements to say 25 PPG which would be in the lower half of the SEC still- that's not too far from what Ole Miss did this year. They scored 37 PPG on offense and 21 PPG on defense and won 11 regular season. So if we can improve our numbers to 35/25 I could definitely see us getting 9-10.

That 30 PPG stat is about as real as pixie dust. We may have scored 30 in a few games, but by October/November the offense was just as bad as the defense.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I know a better OL wins you Tennessee and Texas. I suspect a better OL wins you Florida as well because you just run it at the end. That's 8 and all that takes is an average line because we should've won all those games with a god awful line.

Add a guaranteed day 1 NFL First Round pick at the most important position on the line? Hell yes I think that gets in the 10 win conversation.

100% agree. At the least, it puts us in the games with a great chance of winning each.

[Homedawg]

Honestly, him at LT probably does guarantee us a very good shot at 10.

I'll have what your having......

[DEDawg]

That 30 PPG stat is about as real as pixie dust. We may have scored 30 in a few games, but by October/November the offense was just as bad as the defense.

Nah. We averaged 27 a game after A&M with a line that somehow got worse as the year went on. Lebby has his faults, but our offense last year was impressive for how horrendous we were up front and a QB that just ate sacks.

[BlackSailsDawg]

That 30 PPG stat is about as real as pixie dust. We may have scored 30 in a few games, but by October/November the offense was just as bad as the defense.

Our average was 30.4. OOC games 40.2 and SEC 23.9.

Not that I place "stock" in projections, but we are projected to score 35.8 points on average and 29.5 in SEC play for 2026.

On Defense, we allowed 30.2 per game. Arnett’s defenses in Starkville consistently hovered around the top 5 in the SEC, rarely allowing more than 24 points per game. The projection is that we will allow 25.4 per SEC game. 14 in non conference.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'll have what your having......

He shared with me. I'm sure he will share with you too.

[Really Clark?]

That 30 PPG stat is about as real as pixie dust. We may have scored 30 in a few games, but by October/November the offense was just as bad as the defense.

We were 7th in the league in scoring vs ranked opponents (2 of our 3 OCT games were against TAM & Texas), 8th vs conference teams and 7th vs FBS teams with a winning record. But here is a stat not seen anywhere, we were 5th in the conference in scoring in our losses and 6th in scoring in our wins.

[Hot Rock]

Stuck.
May the dollars flow and we land the talent we badly need.

Maybe you can donate some of your VCash to 'em.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I don?t remember the offense scoring a meaningful point other than the first drive vs OM and UGA maybe after the Texas game. The rest of them the game was decidedly over. The last 3-4 possessions of the Texas game was a fireable offense in itself especially for a savant

[BuckyIsAB****]

We could not score vs wake forest or Toledo when it mattered. It?s a trend

[MetEdDawg]

Who had Jaden Rashada on their Mississippi State transfer portal bingo card?? I certainly did not

[Todd4State]

Who had Jaden Rashada on their Mississippi State transfer portal bingo card?? I certainly did not

Not me. But I like it.

[Really Clark?]

We could not score vs wake forest or Toledo when it mattered. It?s a trend

Wake Forest 29 points with a true freshman making his second start. Man you have plenty of hills to die on over this season, too many, but you are choosing to die on every single hill even if it's the size of a pimple on an elephant's ass.

You have been so anti-everything with our football program since Will left. I get you are bent over Arnett and not staying with the air raid and getting way over his skis on what he was telling players and how that all went down. That is understandable from your point of view and your closeness of the situation with Will. But, I may be misremembering because I don't catch every message, but I don't recall you saying anything positive for a while now. When we were playing good early in the year, I don't recall you saying much if anything and then it was still a criticism. I know it's your right and your fight but this is not the Bucky that used to post and be a lot more balanced on your takes. Just an observation and wish the old you would at least pop in and say hi every once in a while.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Wake Forest 29 points with a true freshman making his second start. Man you have plenty of hills to die on over this season, too many, but you are choosing to die on every single hill even if it's the size of a pimple on an elephant's ass.

You have been so anti-everything with our football program since Will left. I get you are bent over Arnett and not staying with the air raid and getting way over his skis on what he was telling players and how that all went down. That is understandable from your point of view and your closeness of the situation with Will. But, I may be misremembering because I don't catch every message, but I don't recall you saying anything positive for a while now. When we were playing good early in the year, I don't recall you saying much if anything and then it was still a criticism. I know it's your right and your fight but this is not the Bucky that used to post and be a lot more balanced on your takes. Just an observation and wish the old you would at least pop in and say hi every once in a while.

How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.

[Brobi-wan]

How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.

Dude, Cunningham hasn’t significantly seen the field and he isn’t at State

[Coursesuper]

How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.

Every point you’ve made is cherry picking bullshat and you absolutely know that. You’re a 17ing coach for Christ sake. I’m sorry you have your dick in a twist now, there is plenty to pick apart for sure but you know better. Or at I hope so. You know how 17ed up the situation was this staff came into from all points.

[Pancho]

How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.

you got a bad case of whatever it is. I truly hope you get the help you need.

[RisperDawg]

29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that.

Not trying to pile on you here, but the score was 27-30 with like ten minutes to go in the fourth. None of the points came from garbage time.

[HoopsDawg]

Not trying to pile on you here, but the score was 27-30 with like ten minutes to go in the fourth. None of the points came from garbage time.

The way we run tempo, we better be scoring 30 a game or it gets ugly.

[BlackSailsDawg]

How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.


I am a huge AR fan. I think Will was great. But we are not living in the past. Let it go. It's over. Lebby is here, and you are doing exactly what these guys did to Leach/Rogers with just as much ignorance. Maybe that's why you are doing this. No idea. But tht is one hell of a grudge to be carrying around over a game.

[Thick]

How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.

Are you ?Check down Charlie?s? dad? That dude was absolutely terrified at MSU, plus his arm was about as strong as my 17 yr old daughter?s arm. He grew up a Rebel, and should have gone to OM. Huge **** up by Leach! Dude was an absolute house of cards under pressure!

[Homedawg]

Every point you’ve made is cherry picking bullshat and you absolutely know that. You’re a 17ing coach for Christ sake. I’m sorry you have your dick in a twist now, there is plenty to pick apart for sure but you know better. Or at I hope so. You know how 17ed up the situation was this staff came into from all points.

This clown is one of the reasons I don't venture here often.

[BankerDog]

Are you ?Check down Charlie?s? dad? That dude was absolutely terrified at MSU, plus his arm was about as strong as my 17 yr old daughter?s arm. He grew up a Rebel, and should have gone to OM. Huge **** up by Leach! Dude was an absolute house of cards under pressure!

It was Joe who he committed to..we were trying to get Mingo is the only reason we offered.

Bucky hates State football now so don?t be surprised if he is steering kids like Preston Ashley and Tyson Robinson away now. After Will and Ashun Sheppard (whom he pegged as NFL guys) didn?t finish out here, he just comes here to complain.

It?s funny he hates NIL, but Will made enough here that he doesn?t have to work for a few years now. Kinda funny how that all works

[bulldawg28]

It was Joe who he committed to..we were trying to get Mingo is the only reason we offered.

Bucky hates State football now so don?t be surprised if he is steering kids like Preston Ashley and Tyson Robinson away now. After Will and Ashun Sheppard (whom he pegged as NFL guys) didn?t finish out here, he just comes here to complain.

It?s funny he hates NIL, but Will made enough here that he doesn?t have to work for a few years now. Kinda funny how that all works

Don't worry Eugene will fix that.

[Pancho]

I doubt Eugene allows the good ole boy network as much rope now that he is in charge.

[DLGDawg]

An update on Seaton from Matt Moscona:

Seaton is leaning towards Oregon.

How you should read this is: "Seaton isn't coming to LSU. I don't really care where he goes so I'll just go with the team that was mentioned after us."

We're still in this thing. Do I think we get it across the finish line? 50/50. But we're in it.

Anything different this Friday morning ??

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anything different this Friday morning ??

No one knows anything.

Steve Robertson says it's between us and Oregon

Robbie Faulk says we're fighting but probably out of it.

LSU people are now saying it's them and Miami with Oregon fading

National guys say it's Oregon, LSU, and Miami

Oh and on top of all that, he may take a visit to Maryland.


To sum it up.....no one knows shit. Absolutely no one. You can ask 10 people and get 10 different answers. I know we're fighting and I think our side feels decently confident they can get it across the finish line. I do believe it's us and Oregon with LSU in 3rd, but fading. There's concern on his side about going to Miami and the people that are around that program and in Miami in general.

[Tater]

Seaton would be a massive get and makes the OL pieces fall into place production wise. I agree that 10+ wins comes on the table with him here. Without him it's hard to imagine more than 8 wins. He's worth every penny with that in mind.

Have we even discussed getting an edge? Have heard no news there

[StarkVegasSteve]

Seaton would be a massive get and makes the OL pieces fall into place production wise. I agree that 10+ wins comes on the table with him here. Without him it's hard to imagine more than 8 wins. He's worth every penny with that in mind.

Have we even discussed getting an edge? Have heard no news there

My guess is that we're done at EDGE. That's probably the biggest whiff, outside of TE, for us in the portal. We got some nice pieces there but missed on a real difference maker.

[DLGDawg]

Seaton would be a massive get and makes the OL pieces fall into place production wise. I agree that 10+ wins comes on the table with him here. Without him it's hard to imagine more than 8 wins. He's worth every penny with that in mind.

Have we even discussed getting an edge? Have heard no news there

Good thoughts. To me(to add to the 10 win possibility) you/we gotta include KT's development from now til our first game. He may be a film junkie, idk. But he's gotta be one. That and throwing w receivers a kabillion times.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good thoughts. To me(to add to the 10 win possibility) you/we gotta include KT's development from now til our first game. He may be a film junkie, idk. But he's gotta be one. That and throwing w receivers a kabillion times.

He's gotta get better on timing and really just trusting his receivers and trusting the routes. That comes with film and reps.

The biggest thing I saw from him the last two games was that he'd have receivers running open and either A) Didn't see them because he didn't know where to look in the progression or B) He got so sped up that he reverted back to HS, which was first read isn't there so I need to run. I thought when we ran the quick game with him and telegraphed where he needs to go with the ball he was a lot better.

[DLGDawg]

He's gotta get better on timing and really just trusting his receivers and trusting the routes. That comes with film and reps.

The biggest thing I saw from him the last two games was that he'd have receivers running open and either A) Didn't see them because he didn't know where to look in the progression or B) He got so sped up that he reverted back to HS, which was first read isn't there so I need to run. I thought when we ran the quick game with him and telegraphed where he needs to go with the ball he was a lot better.

Yep. Finding those guys that are open and/or a bust in coverage can be the difference in a win or loss. You stated it way better than I can.

On the practice field, KT can throw a rope through a tire at 30 yards...the talent is there. It's been said a million times for QB's and it's so true....the game has to slow down in his head.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep. Finding those guys that are open and/or a bust in coverage can be the difference in a win or loss. You stated it way better than I can.

On the practice field, KT can throw a rope through a tire at 30 yards...the talent is there. It's been said a million times for QB's and it's so true....the game has to slow down in his head.

I really think next year, especially early, we need to run some of what Indiana did with Mendoza. They'd give him easy access throws and just move the ball 6-8 yards at a time. And with our speed on the outside, we have guys that can make one man miss on those throws and house it.

[DEDawg]

My guess is that we're done at EDGE. That's probably the biggest whiff, outside of TE, for us in the portal. We got some nice pieces there but missed on a real difference maker.

Wow that sucks. Not sure how we didn?t have a backup plan after missing the Tulane guy. I like the pieces we got but yeah def missing a day 1 starter type there

[1bigdawg]

Wow that sucks. Not sure how we didn?t have a backup plan after missing the Tulane guy. I like the pieces we got but yeah def missing a day 1 starter type there

I would have loved a great EDGE, but trust Arnett to find a way to get pressure, which diminishes my concern.

[Coursesuper]

This clown is one of the reasons I don't venture here often.

Amen.

[TrapGame]

I would have loved a great EDGE, but trust Arnett to find a way to get pressure, which diminishes my concern.

Having a legit, real life DC is going to do wonders.

[CaptainObvious]

Is it possible Arnett wanted the LB signed late to see if he can work him into a standup end? Seems LB is a position of strength going into 26.

[BrunswickDawg]

Is it possible Arnett wanted the LB signed late to see if he can work him into a standup end? Seems LB is a position of strength going into 26.

LB's are the big pressure providers in Arnett's defense - LB's led the team in TFL's and Sacks each season he was DC. The 3-3-5 isn't designed for for a traditional EDGE guy - we have hybrid EDGE/LB's who are supplemented by the hybrid S/LB.

[Todd4State]

LB's are the big pressure providers in Arnett's defense - LB's led the team in TFL's and Sacks each season he was DC. The 3-3-5 isn't designed for for a traditional EDGE guy - we have hybrid EDGE/LB's who are supplemented by the hybrid S/LB.

Yeah. I think Zakari Tillman might be the "EDGE" guy or function as one in this system.

[Cowbell]

We are still in it with Seaton. Anybody saying different don't know.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are still in it with Seaton. Anybody saying different don't know.

We've been in it the whole time......

Phil met with him in Atlanta earlier in the week.

[BigDawg81]

Seaton wants LSU but Unc wants Oregon. Thats a hell of a narrative from the LSU.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Seaton wants LSU but Unc wants Oregon. Thats a hell of a narrative from the LSU.

I mean are you surprised???

Lane has them just as obnoxious as he did OM. That's some "He had OM in his heart" shit if I've ever seen it.

[Turfdawg67]

Wake Forest 29 points with a true freshman making his second start. Man you have plenty of hills to die on over this season, too many, but you are choosing to die on every single hill even if it's the size of a pimple on an elephant's ass.

You have been so anti-everything with our football program since Will left. I get you are bent over Arnett and not staying with the air raid and getting way over his skis on what he was telling players and how that all went down. That is understandable from your point of view and your closeness of the situation with Will. But, I may be misremembering because I don't catch every message, but I don't recall you saying anything positive for a while now. When we were playing good early in the year, I don't recall you saying much if anything and then it was still a criticism. I know it's your right and your fight but this is not the Bucky that used to post and be a lot more balanced on your takes. Just an observation and wish the old you would at least pop in and say hi every once in a while.


How has our football been since Will left? It was already worth criticizing but now it?s not worth killing. It wouldn?t be worth the bullet you used on it and it won?t be till we get new leadership.


29 points? How many of them were scored just to make an ugly game look respectable? You can?t even call it that. Wake forest does not have a player on their team that we would recruit and not one half as talented as Kamario. Somehow we have taken a kid that was as college ready as I have ever seen, in a state championship game, against another supposed 5 star in Cunningham, and make him look worse.

You're talking to a bitter old wall. Just ignore... it's rinse and repeat him.

[Turfdawg67]

Are you ?Check down Charlie?s? dad? That dude was absolutely terrified at MSU, plus his arm was about as strong as my 17 yr old daughter?s arm. He grew up a Rebel, and should have gone to OM. Huge **** up by Leach! Dude was an absolute house of cards under pressure!

This was discussed ad nauseam a few years back. Lol

[BigDawg81]

I guess State is done with the portal?

[HoopsDawg]

I guess State is done with the portal?

Not any difference makers left.

[maroonmania]

Not any difference makers left.

Never held out much hope for Seaton but wish we could have gotten Sneh while also holding onto James. Given we didnt we are still going to have very limited options on the OL this Fall.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Dude yall kill me with the air raid/Leach/Will talk. I haven?t mentioned it in forever. Yall do. But it is kinda funny that after all that, since they are both gone, we have went to shit.

[BuckyIsAB****]

you got a bad case of whatever it is. I truly hope you get the help you need.
A case of the truth? A case of I?m livid what Keenum and company have done to football?

[BuckyIsAB****]

It was Joe who he committed to..we were trying to get Mingo is the only reason we offered.

Bucky hates State football now so don?t be surprised if he is steering kids like Preston Ashley and Tyson Robinson away now. After Will and Ashun Sheppard (whom he pegged as NFL guys) didn?t finish out here, he just comes here to complain.

It?s funny he hates NIL, but Will made enough here that he doesn?t have to work for a few years now. Kinda funny how that all works
Im not steering anyone away from anything. If you think a HS kid is listening to anyone but money and whoever their handler is you ain?t near as smart as you try to come off on here. The takes on this board about stuff yall don?t know is just absolutely mind boggling. What did Brandon do to you man?

[Homedawg]

A case of the truth? A case of I?m livid what Keenum and company have done to football?

Will is gone. I defended him to nth degree. While the board was blasting him. You would blame it on wr or OL. Will never played bad in your eyes. Always someone else's fault. Then you turned into the ultimate CML defender..... well if CML was so great why did. Our wr on OL suck when Will was playing?? I'll hang up and wait for a bs answer

[Tater]

damn i didn't know the transfer portal could transfer you back in time. Can we spin the dial to take us from post 2023 offseason to post 2013 offseason?

[99jc]

17 u Seaton and your whore coach kifffen i hope you give each other herpes.and then both of you catch leprosy and your dicks falloff.

[Pancho]

A case of the truth? A case of I?m livid what Keenum and company have done to football?

My bad, I wasn't aware all your ire was towards Keenum. I thought you were implying you knew more football and were smarter than all of us.

[BankerDog]

Im not steering anyone away from anything. If you think a HS kid is listening to anyone but money and whoever their handler is you ain?t near as smart as you try to come off on here. The takes on this board about stuff yall don?t know is just absolutely mind boggling. What did Brandon do to you man?

Actually I am. I?m from the area. Know the coaches. I also know how Brandon has brought in players from surrounding areas to really up that program. I also know of an assistant DB coach there that loves to come on here and trash the program every chance he gets because he got real close to will rogers. Funny you never said anything about Ashun?s lack of PT after declaring him a future NFL player.

And yes?you keep running your mouth like this and players will hear it and get skeptical. But you?re right, they probably don?t wanna listen to the assistant DB coach. Not the DB coach, the assistant DB coach. At least 34 has some OC experience, although they may have sucked.

[Homedawg]

My bad, I wasn't aware all your ire was towards Keenum. I thought you were implying you knew more football and were smarter than all of us.

Oh he is....

[BlackSailsDawg]

The picture becomes clearer. According to what I am seeing, we did not squander money or hang on to it until too late. We did not have Seaton money. Once Seaton entered, the money was offered. So we did not pass on players waiting for a what if on a player.

The good news for me is that we have somebody that came in late to step up and hopefully will hang around.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Will is gone. I defended him to nth degree. While the board was blasting him. You would blame it on wr or OL. Will never played bad in your eyes. Always someone else's fault. Then you turned into the ultimate CML defender..... well if CML was so great why did. Our wr on OL suck when Will was playing?? I'll hang up and wait for a bs answer

Yall want it both ways. I haven?t mentioned Will or Leach half as much as yall do. When I disagree yall want to jump back on that train. But the only answer, and this is indisputable facts, y?all hated them both and since one died and one got lied to, along with all his other teammates because of our admins lack of guts and balls, we have been utter dog shit. And will continue to be until a change is made

[BuckyIsAB****]

Actually I am. I?m from the area. Know the coaches. I also know how Brandon has brought in players from surrounding areas to really up that program. I also know of an assistant DB coach there that loves to come on here and trash the program every chance he gets because he got real close to will rogers. Funny you never said anything about Ashun?s lack of PT after declaring him a future NFL player.

And yes?you keep running your mouth like this and players will hear it and get skeptical. But you?re right, they probably don?t wanna listen to the assistant DB coach. Not the DB coach, the assistant DB coach. At least 34 has some OC experience, although they may have sucked.

Womp womp wrong again. You?re about to catch 34 in swings and misses. Again, message me if you want to. But you won?t. That crow will be tough to swallow. Idk where or when or why we got down to what someone does for a living on a message board or why it even matters. I couldn?t care less what you think you know no matter how wrong it is. If someone?s opinion on a message board gets you that upset then you maybe should spend more time reflecting and not posting.

[Pancho]

our opinions sure have your lil panties up the crotch

[Homedawg]

Yall want it both ways. I haven?t mentioned Will or Leach half as much as yall do. When I disagree yall want to jump back on that train. But the only answer, and this is indisputable facts, y?all hated them both and since one died and one got lied to, along with all his other teammates because of our admins lack of guts and balls, we have been utter dog shit. And will continue to be until a change is made

I never hated Will. Liked him matter of fact. I would say when he played well, and also when he played bad. Which you refused to do. It was never ever his fault. As for CML, I didnt love the offense. But he was paid to win games. Which we did pretty well. Some times bc of offense. Sometimes bc arnett saved his ass. W that said he was a great guy to hang around and have a beer with. Legend.

[Thick]

I?ll be honest. I was never WR fan.

[Really Clark?]

Yall want it both ways. I haven?t mentioned Will or Leach half as much as yall do. When I disagree yall want to jump back on that train. But the only answer, and this is indisputable facts, y?all hated them both and since one died and one got lied to, along with all his other teammates because of our admins lack of guts and balls, we have been utter dog shit. And will continue to be until a change is made

Nobody is mentioning Will and / or Leach to rehash old debates. It just pointing out since that time you have been negative to the extreme about everything concerning our football program. Sorry you want to twist the debate around to it being about Will and Leach. That is not we are pointing out, you use to be a fair and even poster. I can't remember the last positive thing you said about football. I do remember you not peaking your head out much the early part of the year when we were winning. I might have missed it but I don't recall what or if you said anything positive after AZ ST. Or if you were still in hibernation fuming and waiting for when we lost.

[Brobi-wan]

I?ll be honest. I was never WR fan.

The Auburn comeback will always be my favorite WR memory. He was a system QB for sure

[Thick]

The Auburn comeback will always be my favorite WR memory. He was a system QB for sure

How many games did he play in? Weak arm, slower than molasses on a cold winter day, and never clutch. Tell me how bad his offensive line was, but I think this year?s would by most be considered just as bad or worse. His advantage over Shapen was Leach. I would like to see what kind of numbers Shapen would have put up with Leach. I would have loved to have seen Omar Connor with Mullen or Leach. Great talent terrible timing coach wise.

[Brobi-wan]

How many games did he play in? Weak arm, slower than molasses on a cold winter day, and never clutch. Tell me how bad his offensive line was, but I think this year?s would by most be considered just as bad or worse. His advantage over Shapen was Leach. I would like to see what kind of numbers Shapen would have put up with Leach. I would have loved to have seen Omar Connor with Mullen or Leach. Great talent terrible timing coach wise.

It was a lot. He started his FR year during Georgia in 20 iirc. If you’re comparing Rogers to Shapen, Shapen is better and it’s not close. I agree with you

[Homedawg]

It was a lot. He started his FR year during Georgia in 20 iirc. If you’re comparing Rogers to Shapen, Shapen is better and it’s not close. I agree with you

Bucky gonna lose his mind over this...

[Cowbell]

It was a lot. He started his FR year during Georgia in 20 iirc. If you’re comparing Rogers to Shapen, Shapen is better and it’s not close. I agree with you

Man this is a stretch and I'm not a WR fan. Shapen was never an SEC QB

[DEDawg]

Man this is a stretch and I'm not a WR fan. Shapen was never an SEC QB

How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

[Homedawg]

How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.

[maroonmania]

Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.

I agree that Shapen paired with a competent offensive line would have been fine. He was not the QB we needed though when constantly having to try and get away from a pass rush.

[Homedawg]

I agree that Shapen paired with a competent offensive line would have been fine. He was not the QB we needed though when constantly having to try and get away from a pass rush.

And when we had a mobile qb w the same line we did so well.....

[Todd4State]

Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.

I think we have a LOT of fans that learned their lesson on that this year after the Egg Bowl and the Mayo Bowl.

Turns out that SEC football is a little bit different than Yalobusha County HS football where you can just stick your best athlete at QB and let them run around and play backyard football and it works sometimes.

We don't even get to the Mayo Bowl without Shapen.

[Todd4State]

How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

Will's issue is he would rarely throw deep. He had poor in game awareness in general and instead of throwing deep when he could he would default to check downs. And he would try to do too much. See the 2022 Egg Bowl as exhibit A. WTF was he thinking trying to run the ball in like he was Dak Prescott when all he had to do was hand it off to Dillion Johnson who deserved the TD anyway?

Look at film of MSU vs LSU in 2020 vs pretty much any Will Rogers game. We took way more deep shots in the LSU game than we ever did with Will. And if we had Kamario or Sawyer Robertson or whoever running the offense it would have been more like LSU 2020.

Shapen's legs were not that bad. It's like our fans have this extremely high standard for what QB mobility looks like. His OL was horrendous. Like Tennessee for example- that shot he took from his blindside where he fumbled the ball- Mick Vick wouldn't have been able to avoid that. On top of that, we spent the whole offseason NOT wanting Shapen to run so he wouldn't get hurt. Then our fans got enamored with KT and started to say Shapen was immobile.

[Todd4State]

How many games did he play in? Weak arm, slower than molasses on a cold winter day, and never clutch. Tell me how bad his offensive line was, but I think this year?s would by most be considered just as bad or worse. His advantage over Shapen was Leach. I would like to see what kind of numbers Shapen would have put up with Leach. I would have loved to have seen Omar Connor with Mullen or Leach. Great talent terrible timing coach wise.

Shapen would have killed it with Leach. Conner? Maybe. Leach would have coached him up for sure. I think he definitely fits Dan's offense better than Leach's though.

[maroonmania]

And when we had a mobile qb w the same line we did so well.....

Well, KT as a true freshman, had his own shortcomings. But if we could have had even a Shapen equivalent QB in the passing department that was more mobile we would have been a lot better off. Hard to have a pro style pocket QB when the pocket keeps collapsing.

[CaptainObvious]

What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?

[DEDawg]

What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?

Can?t imagine any. Just saw Stonka is at Memphis now too lmao

[StarkVegasSteve]

What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?

None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.

Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.

Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.

Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.

Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.


The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Man this is a stretch and I'm not a WR fan. Shapen was never an SEC QB

When Blake had time, Blake was good. Unfortunately we didn't have the line to give Blake the time he needed. I think the line issues caused Blake to get way to sped up at time and try to either get the ball out too quick or lock into the pre snap defensive read and not really pay attention post snap.

Blake's attitude also got awful as the year went along and that never helped him with the fanbase.

[BrunswickDawg]

When Blake had time, Blake was good. Unfortunately we didn't have the line to give Blake the time he needed. I think the line issues caused Blake to get way to sped up at time and try to either get the ball out too quick or lock into the pre snap defensive read and not really pay attention post snap.

Blake's attitude also got awful as the year went along and that never helped him with the fanbase.

Yeah - Blake got shell shocked. I can't say as I blame him. He kind of reminded me of Steve Bartkowski with the Falcons back in the 80s. Hit so much he developed "happy feet" in the pocket.

[Todd4State]

None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.

Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.

Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.

Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.

Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.


The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.

I would have tried to move Lewis to guard which he likely wouldn't have wanted to do if I had to guess.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would have tried to move Lewis to guard which he likely wouldn't have wanted to do if I had to guess.

In today's day and age of college football, if you're not producing in some form or fashion you're taking up a spot. Jimothy wouldn't have accepted being a backup and learning the Tackle position so he needed to leave.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah - Blake got shell shocked. I can't say as I blame him. He kind of reminded me of Steve Bartkowski with the Falcons back in the 80s. Hit so much he developed "happy feet" in the pocket.

I think that's part of it and I also think our offense was so predicated on the deep ball that if it wasn't there, Blake got nervous and didn't want to work through the read.

[confucius say]

None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.

Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.

Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.

Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.

Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.


The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.

James - how do we know Sneh is an upgrade?

Lewis - none of our OL were developing. Seeing as though they left and went to programs that have been better than us (Mizzou, bama, cal, mizzou), I wonder if Loadholt's inability to develop is more of the problem than the OL talent....

[StarkVegasSteve]

James - how do we know Sneh is an upgrade?

Lewis - none of our OL were developing. Seeing as though they left and went to programs that have been better than us (Mizzou, bama, cal, mizzou), I wonder if Loadholt's inability to develop is more of the problem than the OL talent....

Because James was an awful LT. He was never going to be the starter. He was always going to be battling for a starting spot elsewhere. But for some reason, he was convinced that he was going to be the starting LT and got butthurt when we went after Seaton.

On Lewis and our other OL, Work nor Owens will play much, if at all at Mizzou. Jimothy nor James will play at Bama. No clue why they went there. Those are just the one's I remember, any other lineman isn't really worth mentioning because they didn't play.

[Homedawg]

Because James was an awful LT. He was never going to be the starter. He was always going to be battling for a starting spot elsewhere. But for some reason, he was convinced that he was going to be the starting LT and got butthurt when we went after Seaton.

On Lewis and our other OL, Work nor Owens will play much, if at all at Mizzou. Jimothy nor James will play at Bama. No clue why they went there. Those are just the one's I remember, any other lineman isn't really worth mentioning because they didn't play.

Jimothy went to cal not bama. Bama must be desperate. They paid James out the butt for a guy that's avg at best. That shows how few OL are available for everyone

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jimothy went to cal not bama.

Damn I thought he was at Bama. Well then he'll probably play out there.

[Bdawg]

How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

Shapen more mobile than Will. Shapen would hold it too long(not that he had a ton of time).

[Todd4State]

In today's day and age of college football, if you're not producing in some form or fashion you're taking up a spot. Jimothy wouldn't have accepted being a backup and learning the Tackle position so he needed to leave.

Absolutely.

[Todd4State]

I think that's part of it and I also think our offense was so predicated on the deep ball that if it wasn't there, Blake got nervous and didn't want to work through the read.

We really only had two consistent receivers too. Thompson and Evans. Ayden got better though. But we need more out of them which is probably why Bumphis isn't here anymore.

[Goldendawg]

I read this week that over 1200 "players" who entered the portal have not found a home. The NFL has an active roster of 53 players and 16 on the reserve squad, and play far more games. Why have the powers to be that be required 105 to be on scholarship in today's out-of-control pay-to-play portal world?

With many of the 1200 finding no landing spots even at lower divisions, why bother with the numbers? A "Student Athlete" at his 4th school or so, with eligibility remaining, probably has a suspect major and is making little progress toward a degree. This is a mess. Put them on a binding contract with league salary caps, as this is now nothing but professional sports, whether we like it or not.

[Really Clark?]

A contract with salary cap sounds like the answer with football and men's basketball. And it probably will head that way in some fashion. The issue is very complicated though as a majority are public universities and there are a lot of guidelines and regulations that do not mesh well with a "pro" model for select sports being tied to the university. Yes we can look at "club" model but there are tons of legal issues that still would have to be adjudicated first in regards to Federal and State regulations. CBA that will be approved by all universities and players? Who is technically the owner? How much profit can they make? Use the Green Bay model for ownership? I don't see a good step forward still for a while, inside 5 years would be a big ask I think.

[Brobi-wan]

A contract with salary cap sounds like the answer with football and men's basketball. And it probably will head that way in some fashion. The issue is very complicated though as a majority are public universities and there are a lot of guidelines and regulations that do not mesh well with a "pro" model for select sports being tied to the university. Yes we can look at "club" model but there are tons of legal issues that still would have to be adjudicated first in regards to Federal and State regulations. CBA that will be approved by all universities and players? Who is technically the owner? How much profit can they make? Use the Green Bay model for ownership? I don't see a good step forward still for a while, inside 5 years would be a big ask I think.

Government did what government does. 17 sh!t up.

[KOdawg1]

Not thrilled with how we just mailed it in here at the end and seem to be content with what we have.

OM is still trying to get guys. LSU is doing the same. Even if you don't think it's a difference maker, the rosters are 105 now so you can afford to roll the dice and see if anyone hits.

[Tater]

Yea this is a mid class. You're basically training a bunch of guys for 2027 and if they do well they're gonna look for a bigger payday elsewhere. Horrendous management.

[maroonmania]

Not thrilled with how we just mailed it in here at the end and seem to be content with what we have.

OM is still trying to get guys. LSU is doing the same. Even if you don't think it's a difference maker, the rosters are 105 now so you can afford to roll the dice and see if anyone hits.

Yep, Sneh just replaced James. Still ultra thin at OT. Any injuries on the OL will again cripple us.

[DEDawg]

Not thrilled with how we just mailed it in here at the end and seem to be content with what we have.

OM is still trying to get guys. LSU is doing the same. Even if you don't think it's a difference maker, the rosters are 105 now so you can afford to roll the dice and see if anyone hits.

Very disappointing. Cannot believe we had $4M to spend on one LT and after missing did not have contingencies ready to go for 5 other guys. We have the money why in the world are we sitting on it

[CaptainObvious]

We are building a war chest for 2030 to make a run right after the apocalypse occurs.

[Todd4State]

Very disappointing. Cannot believe we had $4M to spend on one LT and after missing did not have contingencies ready to go for 5 other guys. We have the money why in the world are we sitting on it

Because we want quality not just quantity. There isn't much left in the portal. Luke Work for example was rated a top 12 portal prospect by someone. That gives you an idea of the quality that is out there. We also have limited roster spots too.

It just makes more sense to save the money now and try to use it on a big fish next year at this point.

[Homedawg]

Because we want quality not just quantity. There isn't much left in the portal. Luke Work for example was rated a top 12 portal prospect by someone. That gives you an idea of the quality that is out there. We also have limited roster spots too.

It just makes more sense to save the money now and try to use it on a big fish next year at this point.

Yeah. It's a whole lot more complicated than just go get a LT. Or any position for that matter.

[DEDawg]

Because we want quality not just quantity. There isn't much left in the portal. Luke Work for example was rated a top 12 portal prospect by someone. That gives you an idea of the quality that is out there. We also have limited roster spots too.

It just makes more sense to save the money now and try to use it on a big fish next year at this point.

That answers the money question but not the contingency one. If we went all in on Seaton with no backups that?s crazy, we should have had multiple guys ready to go with offers when he moved on. We need to be more organized than this.

[Really Clark?]

That answers the money question but not the contingency one. If we went all in on Seaton with no backups that?s crazy, we should have had multiple guys ready to go with offers when he moved on. We need to be more organized than this.

That's a lot of assumptions. You know we didn't have multiple offers on the table for other LT's?

[MetEdDawg]

That answers the money question but not the contingency one. If we went all in on Seaton with no backups that?s crazy, we should have had multiple guys ready to go with offers when he moved on. We need to be more organized than this.

That's why Sneh committed. When we knew Seaton wasn't going to happen, Brandon Sneh committed that day.

Also, the notion of a team like ours just having guys near or comparably as good as Seaton waiting for us at the end of the transfer portal window makes no sense.

[Todd4State]

According to Rosebowl we're going to get a visit from another OL prospect- Jaylen Acevedo from Navy.

[DEDawg]

That's a lot of assumptions. You know we didn't have multiple offers on the table for other LT's?


That's why Sneh committed. When we knew Seaton wasn't going to happen, Brandon Sneh committed that day.

Also, the notion of a team like ours just having guys near or comparably as good as Seaton waiting for us at the end of the transfer portal window makes no sense.

No that is not my point. We had one guy we were willing to give $4M to. We did not get him and we had a contingency in Sneh which is great. Good job by the staff. For easy math let us assume we paid him $1M. We should have had 10 other guys who make our team better, whether they are starters or depth, ready as contingencies for us to spend the remaining $3M on. The only reason I can think is that money could only be used on Seaton and was retracted when he moved on then I understand but I don?t know why that would be the case. $3M can make our team a lot better I don?t believe there is not 1,3,5,10 whatever players still in the portal who would not have made our team better we could have used that $3M on

[StarkVegasSteve]

That's why Sneh committed. When we knew Seaton wasn't going to happen, Brandon Sneh committed that day.

Also, the notion of a team like ours just having guys near or comparably as good as Seaton waiting for us at the end of the transfer portal window makes no sense.

Not exactly. Jayven James leaving is the reason we took Sneh.

[Homedawg]

That's a lot of assumptions. You know we didn't have multiple offers on the table for other LT's?

^this

[DEDawg]

^this

Again, not the point I?m making. Throw out LT. all and any players that improve the team. Starter or depth.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Very disappointing. Cannot believe we had $4M to spend on one LT and after missing did not have contingencies ready to go for 5 other guys. We have the money why in the world are we sitting on it

We didn't have that money the whole time. It was not until we got the word he was going to enter the draft and we reached out that we raised that money specifically for him.

[Jake]

That answers the money question but not the contingency one. If we went all in on Seaton with no backups that?s crazy, we should have had multiple guys ready to go with offers when he moved on. We need to be more organized than this.

We had Sneh as a backup option, but then James left at the last second and changed those plans. Still working on others, they are not sitting on their hands.

[BigDawg81]

We had Sneh as a backup option, but then James left at the last second and changed those plans. Still working on others, they are not sitting on their hands.

Looks like Navy’s backup