Football Transfer Portal Thread

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/i/status/2010070036342550557

[Todd4State]

No one is complaining about the Mizzou WR or when we got Whitson last year.

Yes, our smart fans want to see us sign kids that have produced at a p4 level or excelled at a G5 level.

The Rice safety looks good, I hope it translates.

I do not want a dumb fan base that celebrates signing kids that have done nothing at all on a p4 level and then wonder why we are getting skull drug by freaking wake Forest.

Either land some quality players or just start sending the money to Jans and baseball.

If we land the tackle from UAB and one of the upperclassmen guards to go along with Steen at the other tackle spot we will be in good shape for next year as our offensive line tacking shape.

And I'm not saying we should stop there. But our fans need to stop melting down over every player that isn't a 4 star portal guy. Indians only had three 4 star portal guys out of the 20 something guys that they signed.

[Thick]

Everybody ok with Cordova? His offer list out of high school was pretty impressive (247), not sure it?s all correct.

[Tater]

If we land the tackle from UAB and one of the upperclassmen guards to go along with Steen at the other tackle spot we will be in good shape for next year as our offensive line tacking shape.

And I'm not saying we should stop there. But our fans need to stop melting down over every player that isn't a 4 star portal guy. Indians only had three 4 star portal guys out of the 20 something guys that they signed.

There's more than just "melt" or "rah-rah" on the spectrum of reaction. I'm solidly meh right now until I see that OL take shape and have producers. I prefer the G5 guys who proved they should be a level up. Love the Rice safety signing. But most of our other signings are based on potential. May work. But often doesn't.

[Pancho]

Everybody ok with Cordova? His offer list out of high school was pretty impressive (247), not sure it?s all correct.

If one could simply go by offers out of high school, this guy is the most loaded guy on the team now.

[Maroon Glasses]

If one could simply go by offers out of high school, this guy is the most loaded guy on the team now.

He definitely has an impressive offer sheet. The talent is there.

[BuckyIsAB****]

That bowl game had zero to do with NIL.

Neither did Texas Florida and arguably Tennessee. Toledo

[Todd4State]

There's more than just "melt" or "rah-rah" on the spectrum of reaction. I'm solidly meh right now until I see that OL take shape and have producers. I prefer the G5 guys who proved they should be a level up. Love the Rice safety signing. But most of our other signings are based on potential. May work. But often doesn't.

I'm wait and see. I usually don't complain when I feel like the staff is going to fix the problem because it's not productive. Player acquisition takes time. Big difference between January 10 and February 10.

The portal isn't closed yet for another 6 days and technically the season still isn't over yet.

There are no foolproof signings in the portal unfotunately.

[Tater]

I'm wait and see. I usually don't complain when I feel like the staff is going to fix the problem because it's not productive. Player acquisition takes time. Big difference between January 10 and February 10.

The portal isn't closed yet for another 6 days and technically the season still isn't over yet.

There are no foolproof signings in the portal unfotunately.

That's where most of us are. Just when someone comes in with the toxic positivity or the toxic negativity the middle group rips them. Reacting to that ripping needs to realize why they were ripping.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/i/status/2010168656752451607

[Maroon Glasses]

https://twitter.com/i/status/2010168656752451607

Damn. He was my #1 d line guy. I really was hoping we would close on him.

[Cowbell]

Somebody got to help me understand how we missed on Dyson

[CaptainObvious]

Somebody got to help me understand how we missed on Dyson

Money plus Raleigh, NC vs. Starkville, MS. ?Might? have played a role. Some guys just aren?t looking for the small town living.

Of course, a guy shooting up 6 people in West Point last night might scare a few people away too!

[Cowbell]

Money plus Raleigh, NC vs. Starkville, MS. ?Might? have played a role. Some guys just aren?t looking for the small town living.

Of course, a guy shooting up 6 people in West Point last night might scare a few people away too!

We got outbid? Because that's not the word

[CaptainObvious]

We got outbid? Because that's not the word

I was speculating. That is why I combined ?money? with ?location?.

[Thick]

We got outbid? Because that's not the word

What?s the word?

[CadaverDawg]

What?s the word?

I'm sure it was self inflicted....bc that's the MSU way.

Such a big miss

[Cowbell]

What?s the word?

That we didn't get outbid.

[Thick]

That we didn't get outbid.

I wonder what it was? Probably Starkville.

[msugolf]

I wonder what it was? Probably Starkville.

Lack of confidence in the coaches and team

[DownwardDawg]

Lack of confidence in the coaches and team

I would put my money on this being the reason. Coaches

[Turfdawg67]

My sister?s father-in- law is one of those donors! Nice try ?brother?.

Disses really lose their effectiveness when they're full of question marks.

[msstate7]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated

[DEDawg]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated
Yeah it isn?t good rn. We have a lot of work to do this week

[Thick]

Disses really lose their effectiveness when they're full of question marks.

Well, I don?t control that Caligula. It?s always done that on ED from my iPhone.

[Cowbell]

I wonder what it was? Probably Starkville.
Starkville isnt the problem anymore. We just got a kid that left USC

[Cowbell]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated

We aren't improving the trenches so the fact we have a decent QB is about to be a mute point

[Thick]

So if the NIL was not the problem, what do you think or maybe know was the issue? I have no idea what NC State has coming back. They projected to be really good next year?

[LC Dawg]

NC State beat Wake Forest by 10 so they have that going for them.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated

hmmmm....

[Maroon Glasses]

Zion Ragins, WR from OU just committed. 5'7 160 lbs. Runs a 10.2 100m. Played in 5 games as a freshman and then redshirted..........

How we feeling?

[DownwardDawg]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated

At this point right now, it's an ugly picture. We need quality O linemen bad. And a new O line coach. Lol

[BigDawg81]

Zion Ragins, WR from OU just committed. 5'7 160 lbs. Runs a 10.2 100m. Played in 5 games as a freshman and then redshirted..........

How we feeling?
He better be fast at 5?8 153lbs

[Young dawg]

Are we expecting any news on lineman soon. I know it?s kind of beating a dead horse but is we don?t improved there then it really doesn?t matter who else we sign

[bulldawg28]

Starkville isnt the problem anymore. We just got a kid that left USC

Truth....

[bulldawg28]

Zion Ragins, WR from OU just committed. 5'7 160 lbs. Runs a 10.2 100m. Played in 5 games as a freshman and then redshirted..........

How we feeling?

Replacing speed with speed, I love it!

[bulldawg28]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated

All of the these guys signed are talented young guys. There's no denying talent they need opportunity, no different than redshirt freshmen. The FSU guys they played behind are legitimate 4.5 stars. It's easy to coach talent.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I was pretty hyped about our transfer class from reading blacksails updates, but man... on3 and 247 aren't painting as rosy a picture. If I'm looking at it right, we have 1 transfer that's over 87 rated

Make our minds up. You are talking all this about Indiana and there team getting it done. 3 star players. But when the team you are a fan of takes a 3 star.... the world is falling.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Zion Ragins, WR from OU just committed. 5'7 160 lbs. Runs a 10.2 100m. Played in 5 games as a freshman and then redshirted..........

How we feeling?

He is a great pick up. The WR room will be better overall. Thompson is a player that's hard to replace. A speed guy puts everybody on notice with this offense. Should open a lot of options.

[Thick]

He?s tiny. Hopefully he?s running nothing but go routes, nothing over the middle. Then again, our qb is going to have to be much more accurate throwing to such a small target.

[msstate7]

Make our minds up. You are talking all this about Indiana and there team getting it done. 3 star players. But when the team you are a fan of takes a 3 star.... the world is falling.

I'm just stating a fact. I hope it works out, but we signed 3-star talent last year also, and we didn't get Indiana results. I'm starting to think Cignetti might be better than Lebby

[BlackSailsDawg]

He?s tiny. Hopefully he?s running nothing but go routes, nothing over the middle. Then again, our qb is going to have to be much more accurate throwing to such a small target.

He has about same frame as Thompson. He will need to train and add what... 15 pounds? That will put him equal to Thompson. May even increase his speed a bit

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm just stating a fact. I hope it works out, but we signed 3-star talent last year also, and we didn't get Indiana results. I'm starting to think Cignetti might be better than Lebby

Cigi did it with experienced players. Our approach is to have the talent to groom for future while adding starters with PT/experience. When you think about it, that allows us to have consistently good seasons while improving. The better the flow of talent from the bottom up means better option selections for portal. "We don't need a CB. We have the talent with some experience to move up. But we got to have a DL and we will use that money there".

[msstate7]

Cigi did it with experienced players. Our approach is to have the talent to groom for future while adding starters with PT/experience. When you think about it, that allows us to have consistently good seasons while improving. The better the flow of talent from the bottom up means better option selections for portal. "We don't need a CB. We have the talent with some experience to move up. But we got to have a DL and we will use that money there".

I wanna believe. I hope your vision for this team is our reality

[BlackSailsDawg]

I wanna believe. I hope your vision for this team is our reality

We all do. I still say we should be signing pros from the CFL.

[Tater]

So we lost out to NC State for a DL. Point blank. That's embarrassing. What's our pivot?

We can't just sign a 7 on 7 squad and compete. This isn't Texsa High school football which is where Lebby will end up without some serious change to our lines.

[Thick]

He has about same frame as Thompson. He will need to train and add what... 15 pounds? That will put him equal to Thompson. May even increase his speed a bit

Look I love your positivity, but we play in a very physical conference. We need big, physical WRs, guys that can go across the middle. We need big targets that are athletic and big enough to adjust to make plays when your QB is not as accurate as we need them to be. I?m happy that we got a speedster, but there are women who play professional soccer bigger than the little fellow. I like our defensive commits (still pissed about Dyson), but our offense needs help too.

[bulldawg28]

I can say Lebby has improved the roster with talent each year. He's a solid recruiter hopefully he can make the mental situational improvements to his game.

[BigDawg81]

Rosebowl has crystal balled DJ Chester to State. That’s a guy that was a starter at LSU

[DEDawg]

Rosebowl has crystal balled DJ Chester to State. That’s a guy that was a starter at LSU

That?s a huge get if it happens. One of our starting OT

[Thick]

Rosebowl has crystal balled DJ Chester to State. That’s a guy that was a starter at LSU

Now that?s what I?m talking about!!!

[Coursesuper]

Now that?s what I?m talking about!!!

There’s a new center I think.

[confucius say]

If we get older players our fans would immediately question why they were in the portal or ask why they didn't start.

If it's a younger player we question why they aren't older.

I think everybody was happy when we signed manning last year from ODU

[KOdawg1]

That?s a huge get if it happens. One of our starting OT

He's not an OT. He played center at LSU. Will either play C or one of the guard spots here depending on what happens with Boone.

[KOdawg1]

I think everybody was happy when we signed manning last year from ODU

Correct, that was generally viewed as a really good pick up.

He graded out really good on PFF.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Daelyn Evans is down to Tennessee and State. .96 4star leaving TAMU

[DEDawg]

Is delano Townsend LSU bound?

[KOdawg1]

Is delano Townsend LSU bound?

Would think so.

Best to assume any offensive player leaving OM is heading to LSU.

[Todd4State]

Would think so.

Best to assume any offensive player leaving OM is heading to LSU.

I'm sure we'll see if we can get a visit if we can though. We were pretty close to getting him last year plus LSU has been ****ing with us with Nash.

[Todd4State]

Look I love your positivity, but we play in a very physical conference. We need big, physical WRs, guys that can go across the middle. We need big targets that are athletic and big enough to adjust to make plays when your QB is not as accurate as we need them to be. I?m happy that we got a speedster, but there are women who play professional soccer bigger than the little fellow. I like our defensive commits (still pissed about Dyson), but our offense needs help too.

Ayden Williams and SanFrisco can do that or at least have the frames to do that. I would take some more dudes at WR but I also get that it's not as big a priority as OL and DL.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Ayden Williams and SanFrisco can do that or at least have the frames to do that. I would take some more dudes at WR but I also get that it's not as big a priority as OL and DL.

I love those 2! They are going to be killer!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Isaiah Autry-Dent has committed.

[BigDawg81]

Good pickups especially DJ Chester. I think we still need one more OL with P4 starting experience.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Safety Gilbert is in

[DEDawg]

Good pickups especially DJ Chester. I think we still need one more OL with P4 starting experience.
2 more minimum with 1 being a P4 starting OT. Can?t go into the season without an answer at both tackle spots

[DEDawg]

Safety Gilbert is in

Arnett must think we aren?t getting DL help we need so doing next best thing and getting a backfield that can cover for 7 seconds lol

We have so many dudes back there now

[StarkVegasSteve]

Safety Gilbert is in

That's a really good pickup tbh. I know that is a kid Arnett wanted bad out of HS and we were close to getting him when he left A&M. He allows us to bring Womack along slowly.

ETA: Doesn't look like he's in the boat. Just that Robertson has CB'd him to us.

[Chuck3124]

Do we know anything new on Herring by chance?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Arnett must think we aren?t getting DL help we need so doing next best thing and getting a backfield that can cover for 7 seconds lol

We have so many dudes back there now

Gilbert is Manning's replacement.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do we know anything new on Herring by chance?

I would not expect him.

[BlackSailsDawg]

That's a really good pickup tbh. I know that is a kid Arnett wanted bad out of HS and we were close to getting him when he left A&M. He allows us to bring Womack along slowly.

ETA: Doesn't look like he's in the boat. Just that Robertson has CB'd him to us.

He's in.

Also, don't forget the Rice kid who has a lot of PT. Our backfield is stacked.!!!!!

[Tater]

That's a really good pickup tbh. I know that is a kid Arnett wanted bad out of HS and we were close to getting him when he left A&M. He allows us to bring Womack along slowly.

ETA: Doesn't look like he's in the boat. Just that Robertson has CB'd him to us.

Can't take anything BSD says as truth. He's just a Genespage toxic positivity pumper and acts like an insider because he pays for 247. It's really weird and annoying and causes confusion on the board. Especially saying some guy is in before they've announced it.

[BigDawg81]

What is up with McVay?

[StarkVegasSteve]

What is up with McVay?

We're waiting. Just like most of the guys. The portal, just like last year, has changed once again.

2024: Kids usually took 1 visit, MAYBE 2, and decided where they were going. 85% of the time, if they visited they were signing with you

2025: Kids took 2-3 visits and sometimes would take all 3. Probably closer to 60% of the time they would sign if they visited you.

2026: Kids are taking 4-5 visits and making sure to take all of them.

[BorneDawg]

gotta see who wants to pay the most.....

[Coursesuper]

We're waiting. Just like most of the guys. The portal, just like last year, has changed once again.

2024: Kids usually took 1 visit, MAYBE 2, and decided where they were going. 85% of the time, if they visited they were signing with you

2025: Kids took 2-3 visits and sometimes would take all 3. Probably closer to 60% of the time they would sign if they visited you.

2026: Kids are taking 4-5 visits and making sure to take all of them.

Since most are now being paid to visit it seems like this would happen.

[Brobi-wan]

I think last year the portal was a bit more fun. I actually like the class we have so far. A bit skeptical about the line, but maybe it will turn out okay

[BeardoMSU]

Woot woot!

https://twitter.com/AnthonyEvansIII/status/2010809457966772701?s=20

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kendall Dolby has committed. If he can stay healthy, that's a hell of a steal for us. Just missing Gilbert and the secondary will be complete and MASSIVELY upgraded.

[HoopsDawg]

Kendall Dolby has committed. If he can stay healthy, that's a hell of a steal for us. Just missing Gilbert and the secondary will be complete and MASSIVELY upgraded.

FYI: most of us have no clue who that is. If you could add a little color that would be great

[TrapGame]

Woot woot!

https://twitter.com/AnthonyEvansIII/status/2010809457966772701?s=20

HUGE.

[Brobi-wan]

FYI: most of us have no clue who that is. If you could add a little color that would be great

OU safety. I believe he was a JUCO prospect for them.

[mparkerfd20]

We gonna have 65 DBs and Safeties on team and 20 other guys. I feel like we overcompensate on the wrong positions sometimes. Give me more linemen!!!

[Chuck3124]

Chris jones decommitted from OM. What?s the word on that?

[mparkerfd20]

Chris Jones just decommitted from Ole Miss. Go get him!!!

[TrapGame]

Chris jones decommitted from OM. What?s the word on that?

Isn't he kind of a diva though?

[Todd4State]

Chris Jones just decommitted from Ole Miss. Go get him!!!

Not the first time a Chris Jones has turned them down.

[Todd4State]

Isn't he kind of a diva though?

How big of a diva does he have to be to leave Ole Miss? That's like Paris Hilton level.

He probably left because he doesn't fit in there.

[TrapGame]

How big of a diva does he have to be to leave Ole Miss? That's like Paris Hilton level.

He probably left because he doesn't fit in there.

Could be. That why I'm asking.

[Pancho]

Chris Jones just decommitted from Ole Miss. Go get him!!!

this!!!

[DEDawg]

not complaining but we take a lotttt of transfer guys from Oklahoma. I hope that isn't something that screws us next year and in the future when Lebby's relationships with those guys run out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How big of a diva does he have to be to leave Ole Miss? That's like Paris Hilton level.

He probably left because he doesn't fit in there.

Ga Tech probably offered more. I heard he didn't have the offers he thought he would and OM got him cheaper than what he was being offered to us. I also could see him just hitting the road N and going to play for Huff.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We're two starting OLs, and more than likely just one, and a NT away from me being really bullish on 2026, and that's scary.

[DEDawg]

We're two starting OLs, and more than likely just one, and a NT away from me being really bullish on 2026, and that's scary.

Agree plus another edge. Can we get them? I?m not confident but hopefully this week proves me wrong

[BeardoMSU]

We're two starting OLs, and more than likely just one, and a NT away from me being really bullish on 2026, and that's scary.

Yes. And not just next year, either, since most of these guys have multiple years left. Obv have to hold on to em, but if KT makes big strides and we win a bunch of games, it'll be cooking with gas.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes. And not just next year, either, since most of these guys have multiple years left. Obv have to hold on to em, but if KT makes big strides and we win a bunch of games, it'll be cooking with gas.

I think that's the biggest thing. Kamario has to show he can win games and WE have to show we can win games. The bowl game didn't really do anything to inspire a bunch of confidence, I don't think it killed much either though. Kamario is exactly where a lot of us thought he was. Insanely athletic, a cannon for an arm, struggles with consistency, and sometimes doesn't make the right read.

I'm excited to see his progression with an offseason as QB1. If he progresses like I expect him to, he will, by himself, lead us to 2-3 extra wins next year.

[BeardoMSU]

I think that's the biggest thing. Kamario has to show he can win games and WE have to show we can win games. The bowl game didn't really do anything to inspire a bunch of confidence, I don't think it killed much either though. Kamario is exactly where a lot of us thought he was. Insanely athletic, a cannon for an arm, struggles with consistency, and sometimes doesn't make the right read.

I'm excited to see his progression with an offseason as QB1. If he progresses like I expect him to, he will, by himself, lead us to 2-3 extra wins next year.

Definitely. Which is also why, all do respect to my bud CD, but his idea of "tanking" would be an absolute disaster. You have to be competitive "enough" to recruit enough foundation guys. Guys like KT and all the other dudes we paid to retain. Yes, we've sucked, but it is getting better. You simply have to find a way to win games and look alive. Deciding to win only 4 or 5 games over a 3-4 period would absolutely bottom us out, and by the time that was over, NIL inflation would make our stockpile look like pittance.

[HoopsDawg]

We're two starting OLs, and more than likely just one, and a NT away from me being really bullish on 2026, and that's scary.

Hard to be bullish after seeing that bowl game + staff management.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hard to be bullish after seeing that bowl game + staff management.

I put LESS THAN ZERO stock into that bowl game. I didn't even want us to play it. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose, and we almost saw the everything portion come true.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Definitely. Which is also why, all do respect to my bud CD, but his idea of "tanking" would be an absolute disaster. You have to be competitive "enough" to recruit enough foundation guys. Guys like KT and all the other dudes we paid to retain. Yes, we've sucked, but it is getting better. You simply have to find a way to win games and look alive. Deciding to win only 4 or 5 games over a 3-4 period would absolutely bottom us out, and by the time that was over, NIL inflation would make our stockpile look like pittance.

You have to look at it like this:

Lebby Year 1-We had some P4 pieces but overall had a mid level G5 roster trying to compete in the P4.

Lebby Year 2-We had a P4 roster, albeit a lower level P4 roster, and punched above our weight in damn year every game.

Lebby Year 3-We have to take that next step and we're about 3-4 pieces from doing that.

[HoopsDawg]

I put LESS THAN ZERO stock into that bowl game. I didn't even want us to play it. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose, and we almost saw the everything portion come true.

I cant ignore how poorly coached and how poorly prepared we were. Also, we look to be the same or worse at every position on offense as of now. Maybe that changes the next 2 weeks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I cant ignore how poorly coached and how poorly prepared we were. Also, we look to be the same or worse at every position on offense as of now. Maybe that changes the next 2 weeks.

QB-better
RB-same
WR-same. Maybe slightly better. Johnson is Thompson 2.0 and we are slightly deeper.
TE: Worse. We need to fill this.
OL: Same. We actually cannot be worse.

[HoopsDawg]

QB-better
RB-same
WR-same. Maybe slightly better. Johnson is Thompson 2.0 and we are slightly deeper.
TE: Worse. We need to fill this.
OL: Same. We actually cannot be worse.

RB is worse without Booth. We havent replaced his burst.

WR is worse. I like Johnson but Thompson had game breaking speed. Still havent upgraded the other side.

[Rawdawg]

RB is worse without Booth. We havent replaced his burst.

WR is worse. I like Johnson but Thompson had game breaking speed. Still havent upgraded the other side.

Defense should be leaps and bounds better.

[Maroon Glasses]

I'm not asking this to be a debby downer or anything of that nature. Genuinely curious. Why have we went and got so many safeties? Maybe I'm wrong but haven't we signed 4 or 5? And I'm sure we payed every one of them. I could understand signing 3 + Womack. Seems like we have a bunch of money tied up in that position.

[Brobi-wan]

I'm not asking this to be a debby downer or anything of that nature. Genuinely curious. Why have we went and got so many safeties? Maybe I'm wrong but haven't we signed 4 or 5? And I'm sure we payed every one of them. I could understand signing 3 + Womack. Seems like we have a bunch of money tied up in that position.

I think we use a lot of 3 safety looks under Arnett (I could be wrong) Smith moved to a hybrid

[Maroon Glasses]

I think we use a lot of 3 safety looks under Arnett (I could be wrong) Smith moved to a hybrid

If that's the case then it makes more sense. I was assuming we was gonna go with the 2 safety look. But if Arnett uses 3 then it's more understandable.

[Todd4State]

Agree plus another edge. Can we get them? I?m not confident but hopefully this week proves me wrong

Not sure if he is an EDGE in this scheme or not but I think Zakari Tillman could have a breakout year next year.

[Todd4State]

I think that's the biggest thing. Kamario has to show he can win games and WE have to show we can win games. The bowl game didn't really do anything to inspire a bunch of confidence, I don't think it killed much either though. Kamario is exactly where a lot of us thought he was. Insanely athletic, a cannon for an arm, struggles with consistency, and sometimes doesn't make the right read.

I'm excited to see his progression with an offseason as QB1. If he progresses like I expect him to, he will, by himself, lead us to 2-3 extra wins next year.

One thing I really like about KT is he doesn't turn the ball over a lot. He had one INT and that wasn't his fault- it was a tipped pass.

I just expect him to go through progressions adequately. If he can do that and continue to take care of the ball, we'll be pretty good. And honestly that drive in the bowl where he hit SanFrisco for a TD pass- that was the only drive where our o-line actually gave him time to do anything and I thought he looked really good when he actually had time. Maybe Matt Wyatt will give us a deep dive.

That said, KT won't really hit his peak until 2027 and that's when I think he and MSU are going to be really scary.

[Todd4State]

I cant ignore how poorly coached and how poorly prepared we were. Also, we look to be the same or worse at every position on offense as of now. Maybe that changes the next 2 weeks.

What did you really expect to change during bowl prep without significant player acquisition and no DC, and we were also without Isaac and I think Zakari was out?

I expected a shootout and that's what we got. We gave up a ST TD that hurt us and we got ourselves back into the game only for our defense to wilt on a shovel pass that should have gone for three yards max.

[Todd4State]

RB is worse without Booth. We havent replaced his burst.

WR is worse. I like Johnson but Thompson had game breaking speed. Still havent upgraded the other side.

Eh. I think we're going to hope that Gayten gets better which he probably will and/or that one of Hill/Crosby can come in and contribute in a reserve role right away which they might be able to do.

I think we are being a little choosy because of Fluff but also because there are a couple of really good looking RB's in Mississippi for 2027 and 2028. Stacking the room too much might not be the best idea.

[Todd4State]

I'm not asking this to be a debby downer or anything of that nature. Genuinely curious. Why have we went and got so many safeties? Maybe I'm wrong but haven't we signed 4 or 5? And I'm sure we payed every one of them. I could understand signing 3 + Womack. Seems like we have a bunch of money tied up in that position.

We lost a lot with Manning, Lanier, and Washington. Plus, as others have said the defensive scheme is very different. I love Womack and I think he plays and maybe even starts but it's good to have some guys that have some experience just in case he takes longer to adjust than we expect. And we need depth there anyway.

[CaptainObvious]

We need to be 6 safeties deep. And all 6 need to be interchangeable on where the line up so the opposing QB has to take longer to figure out who is the help guy. And 4 of the 6 need to be head hunters. Not in the targeting sense but not afraid to come up and smoke a RB. Remember how bad Skatebo punished our safeties! This guys were weak! Isaac was the only one who didn?t mind contact and he got hurt a lot this past year. Depth!!!

[BlackSailsDawg]

QB-better
RB-same
WR-same. Maybe slightly better. Johnson is Thompson 2.0 and we are slightly deeper.
TE: Worse. We need to fill this.
OL: Same. We actually cannot be worse.

We picked up some TEs

OL is improved.

[BigDawg81]

I will apologize to Phil Loadholt for everything I said about him if he can bring in Colorado OT Jordan Seaton. Seaton is the 4th ranked player in the portal and the number 1 OT in the portal. I will apologize for calling him Bozo the Clown

[HoopsDawg]

I will apologize to Phil Loadholt for everything I said about him if he can bring in Colorado OT Jordan Seaton. Seaton is the 4th ranked player in the portal and the number 1 OT in the portal. I will apologize for calling him Bozo the Clown

His asking price is 2.5 million

[Pancho]

lets see how serious this outfit is.

[nicks_hammer]

Pay it!!

[DownwardDawg]

QB-better
RB-same
WR-same. Maybe slightly better. Johnson is Thompson 2.0 and we are slightly deeper.
TE: Worse. We need to fill this.
OL: Same. We actually cannot be worse.

Saying we are better at QB is pure speculation that KT is going to grow by leaps and bounds during the off season. Did you watch the bowl game? I saw zero improvement. I was so excited about watching that game. I believed the hype. I thought he was going to show out. What it showed was that Lebby did the right thing playing Shapen all year.
We have to hope that KT turns it on this off season or the new guy takes over the position.

[DownwardDawg]

Eh. I think we're going to hope that Gayten gets better which he probably will and/or that one of Hill/Crosby can come in and contribute in a reserve role right away which they might be able to do.

I think we are being a little choosy because of Fluff but also because there are a couple of really good looking RB's in Mississippi for 2027 and 2028. Stacking the room too much might not be the best idea.

What are y'all's thoughts on Amaree Williams? He looks like a good pash rusher to me.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm not asking this to be a debby downer or anything of that nature. Genuinely curious. Why have we went and got so many safeties? Maybe I'm wrong but haven't we signed 4 or 5? And I'm sure we payed every one of them. I could understand signing 3 + Womack. Seems like we have a bunch of money tied up in that position.

Well our safeties sucked and we had no returners in the room. Also, Arnett's defense requires more safeties than your average D because you have 5 DBs on the field. That's an extra DB every snap.

[Pancho]

I agree

[Pancho]

What are y'all's thoughts on Amaree Williams? He looks like a good pash rusher to me.

I think he is a rusher

[Rawdawg]

His asking price is 2.5 million

Pay it.

[BigDawg81]

His asking price is 2.5 million
According to Hadad, we got 30 million for this roster. If this guy can get us to 8 wins from 5, you pay him 2.6 as your first offer. You show him that you want him. If we have the money like we say we do, act like it.

[bulldawg28]

According to Hadad, we got 30 million for this roster. If this guy can get us to 8 wins from 5, you pay him 2.6 as your first offer. You show him that you want him. If we have the money like we say we do, act like it.

It's showing Oregon & Texas teams to beat.

[Coursesuper]

According to Hadad, we got 30 million for this roster. If this guy can get us to 8 wins from 5, you pay him 2.6 as your first offer. You show him that you want him. If we have the money like we say we do, act like it.

And here lies the problem, fan boy media treated like a proper source. Someday y'all gonna figure this game out, this clowns only real info just got fired. They are just as in the dark as the rest about this football team and staff, anything that come out of his suck is just conjecture. Now do we need this guy, more than likely, I'd say if he's a good fit and not a cancer do what we have to to get the guy.

[Brobi-wan]

According to Hadad, we got 30 million for this roster. If this guy can get us to 8 wins from 5, you pay him 2.6 as your first offer. You show him that you want him. If we have the money like we say we do, act like it.

RIGHTTTTT, I bet we do

[Jarius]

And here lies the problem, fan boy media treated like a proper source. Someday y'all gonna figure this game out, this clowns only real info just got fired. They are just as in the dark as the rest about this football team and staff, anything that come out of his suck is just conjecture. Now do we need this guy, more than likely, I'd say if he's a good fit and not a cancer do what we have to to get the guy.

Hadad has a direct line to Charlie Winfield. You have no clue

[BlackSailsDawg]

Saying we are better at QB is pure speculation that KT is going to grow by leaps and bounds during the off season. Did you watch the bowl game? I saw zero improvement. I was so excited about watching that game. I believed the hype. I thought he was going to show out. What it showed was that Lebby did the right thing playing Shapen all year.
We have to hope that KT turns it on this off season or the new guy takes over the position.

From his first start to his second start, his passing was better. 1st start 48% 2nd Start 59%.

Yep Lebby did it right.

[Lord McBuckethead]

His asking price is 2.5 million

Tell him we will give him 3 if he brings another tackle starter with him.

[JimBobDawg]

RB is worse without Booth. We havent replaced his burst.

WR is worse. I like Johnson but Thompson had game breaking speed. Still havent upgraded the other side.

Incoming freshman, Cooper Crosby has got that burst. He was impressive in the 7A championship for Gulfport. I know there is a large gap between highschool and the SEC but if he can pickup the offense and pass block he could become a great back. His talent was quiet noticeable on the field.

[HancockCountyDog]

Incoming freshman, Cooper Crosby has got that burst. He was impressive in the 7A championship for Gulfport. I know there is a large gap between highschool and the SEC but if he can pickup the offense and pass block he could become a great back. His talent was quiet noticeable on the field.

Agreed - I really like him. Got to see him play several times down here and didn't know why more schools weren't going after him.

ETA - I don't think he is a replacement for Booth. Booth was pretty damn special when he had his head screwed on straight. Our offense without him was clearly hobbled. I'd love to pick up a playmaker at RB, but we have holes on the line to fill.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Why was Booth off the field? I hate how no one talks about injuries anymore. Like, where was Shapen? Dude just noped out after he lost the starting job.

[Brobi-wan]

Why was Booth off the field? I hate how no one talks about injuries anymore. Like, where was Shapen? Dude just noped out after he lost the starting job.

Shapen left the team after losing the starting position in the final game. Not sure about Booth.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why was Booth off the field? I hate how no one talks about injuries anymore. Like, where was Shapen? Dude just noped out after he lost the starting job.

Booth opted out of the bowl game. Shapen and the staff made a mutual decision that he was done after the Egg Bowl. He wasn't going to get any starter reps and we had Luke to back up Kamario

[Thick]

How are NILs paid? Is it upfront, lump some, or is it paid monthly, qtrly? Just curious, bc opt outs are complete bs in my opinion.

[Homedawg]

Hadad has a direct line to Charlie Winfield. You have no clue

I assure you Charlie isn't telling hadad how much we have.

[Homedawg]

How are NILs paid? Is it upfront, lump some, or is it paid monthly, qtrly? Just curious, bc opt outs are complete bs in my opinion.

Prior to reverse share, it was paid monthly. I have no reason to think it's any different. Some guys get some up front money. But not a huge chunk

[Thick]

Thanks brother!

[HancockCountyDog]

Once again - our fans would be stunned how much some of our players get paid.

I'm not saying we are TT or Oregon, but to act like we aren't paying sizeable deals to players is just untrue.

[Coursesuper]

I assure you Charlie isn't telling hadad how much we have.

Exactly.

[Turfdawg67]

I agree

On everything said prior?!?

[Thick]

Once again - our fans would be stunned how much some of our players get paid.

I'm not saying we are TT or Oregon, but to act like we aren't paying sizeable deals to players is just untrue.

Stunned or pissed off?

[Pancho]

the latter

[confucius say]

Well our safeties sucked and we had no returners in the room. Also, Arnett's defense requires more safeties than your average D because you have 5 DBs on the field. That's an extra DB every snap.

The average defense plays 5 DB.
And neither Manning nor Lanier sucked. Wish we had them back.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Daelyn Evans has committed. Just a massive pickup on the defensive side of the ball. Get an EDGE and our D is going to be SALTY next fall

[ZedFedder]

Dealyn Evans is a huge pull. HUGE. Tennessee wanted him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And now Tyler Miller has committed. In a shocking turn of events, Yancy was wrong again. Said he was a rebel lock this morning.

[BankerDog]

Don?t have to get into bidding wars out of HS for some of these guys when you can get them a lot cheaper in 18 months.

Although some will disagree, I can see what Leb is trying to do along the OL in getting talented younger guys to develop. Needs to add another tackle for depth but I assume they think they have their guys with Steen coming back. James problem last year was mental mistakes. Owens needs to drop some weight. Chester will be fine at center, IJ is an athletic guard.

Now saying that, Leb better hope he is around for his plan with FSU boys and Miller to work.

We spent a lot of money this off season retaining guys which we have not done a good job of in the past. Marks, Dillion Johnson, Nicholson, Brice Pollock, Coleman, etc. so point that out with the staff when you all make other dumbass comments.

[Cowbell]

The ship is beginning to right itself...

[DEDawg]

Dealyn Evans is a huge pull. HUGE. Tennessee wanted him.


And now Tyler Miller has committed. In a shocking turn of events, Yancy was wrong again. Said he was a rebel lock this morning.

WOW. We spent a couple mil today it seems. I was worried Sunday, feeling a lot better today. We have pretty much filled everything we needed. Not saying we bonafide P4 starters, but if the coaches like the evaluations then we nailed it so far. What else are we needing at this point? I would like one more edge and one more tackle that has starting experience.

[TrapGame]

What is the skinny on Miller? Is this a good pick up for OL?

[bulldawg28]

Lebby is on fire!!!! These guys make his job a lot easier.

[Turfdawg67]

I got tired of the whining and cashed out my pension and 401k. You're welcome.

All for 6-8 wins to boot!

[Coursesuper]

I got tired of the whining and cashed out my pension and 401k. You're welcome.

All for 6-8 wins to boot!

Thanks for the 10k.

[DownwardDawg]

Thanks for the 10k.

Hahahaha!!!! Gold!!!

[DownwardDawg]

I got tired of the whining and cashed out my pension and 401k. You're welcome.

All for 6-8 wins to boot!

Lol. That would be about right!!

[BeardoMSU]

I got tired of the whining and cashed out my pension and 401k. You're welcome.

All for 6-8 wins to boot!

Thanks for the wooden nickels ***

[DownwardDawg]

The ship is beginning to right itself...

It sure seems that way!!

[Leroy Jenkins]

Any chance in hell Loadholt can deliver Jordan Seaton?

[HancockCountyDog]

Any chance in hell Loadholt can deliver Jordan Seaton?

Lets be happy about Miller and the kid from A&M.

Seaton is going to Oregon, Texas or TT and make almost as much as Cam Coleman.

[Cruz]

Is the max roster size 105 including scholarships and walk-ons? With everyone returning, the freshman class, and the portal class, I am counting 105 right now. Would still like to see another OT and EDGE and maybe LB.

[HoopsDawg]

Too bad we lost that Edge to nc state. We are on the verge of a decent defense.

Still need help on O.

[Todd4State]

Is the max roster size 105 including scholarships and walk-ons? With everyone returning, the freshman class, and the portal class, I am counting 105 right now. Would still like to see another OT and EDGE and maybe LB.

I think you have to be at 105 by a certain deadline. So I guess you could have 120 or so and then cut 15.

[HoopsDawg]

Is the max roster size 105 including scholarships and walk-ons? With everyone returning, the freshman class, and the portal class, I am counting 105 right now. Would still like to see another OT and EDGE and maybe LB.

don't really have walk-ons anymore. 105 on the roster. Thats scholarship guys and scholarship +$$ guys. Getting down to 105 is easy.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Dealyn Evans is a huge pull. HUGE. Tennessee wanted him.

We offered more. In fact, we offered more to Chester than Bama did.

[bulldawg28]

This offense will be huge! It appears Lebby is building a physical team.

[BlackSailsDawg]

This offense will be huge! It appears Lebby is building a physical team.

Its alot of meat!!!!!!! Big meat.

[DEDawg]

Its alot of meat!!!!!!! Big meat.

no comment

[BlackSailsDawg]

no comment

Lol!!!!!!

[Mjoelner34]

Its alot of meat!!!!!!! Big meat.

https://y.yarn.co/a804f99a-62d7-438a-b61f-7e3000f95f91_text.gif

Had to act quick to beat Beardo to this one.

[Jarius]

I assure you Charlie isn't telling hadad how much we have.

I assure you he does.

[Jarius]

Exactly.

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It’s truly hilarious. If you don’t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don’t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you’re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

[bulldawg28]

Its alot of meat!!!!!!! Big meat.

< Pause>

[Maroon Glasses]

Don?t have to get into bidding wars out of HS for some of these guys when you can get them a lot cheaper in 18 months.

Although some will disagree, I can see what Leb is trying to do along the OL in getting talented younger guys to develop.

I see what he is trying to do too. And I don't think it's a bad idea.. I actually like it. The problem is retaining them. But we retained our player makers this year so hopefully the trend continues and they continue to spend. If we can keep them and they develop, I like it!

[ScoobaDawg]

Updated OL to help know who is still avilable. WIll try to do others another day.

[Coursesuper]

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It’s truly hilarious. If you don’t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don’t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you’re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

Thanks Robbie

[Homedawg]

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It’s truly hilarious. If you don’t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don’t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you’re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

Ooookkkkkkk I'll check out of this onetime then.....

[BeardoMSU]

https://y.yarn.co/a804f99a-62d7-438a-b61f-7e3000f95f91_text.gif

Had to act quick to beat Beardo to this one.

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[Really Clark?]

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It’s truly hilarious. If you don’t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don’t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you’re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

If you mean he is told what they want him to know to spread to the public, I think many would agree with that. That is different than having intimate strategic information that they know he will run on his show. Or he is part of the system and will willingly spread false information

[Leroy Jenkins]

Lets be happy about Miller and the kid from A&M.

Seaton is going to Oregon, Texas or TT and make almost as much as Cam Coleman.

Oh, I forgot, we are poor ol mittatippi tate.

My guess, he?s going to Miami for 3+ mil.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It?s truly hilarious. If you don?t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don?t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you?re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

It called ethics.. Are you saying Charlie has none?

[DEDawg]

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It’s truly hilarious. If you don’t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don’t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you’re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

Come on now you cannot be this naive. It serves nobody in the admin or university to leak that info to reporters. Charlie tells him what he wants the public to know.

[MrCoachKlein]

The average defense plays 5 DB.
And neither Manning nor Lanier sucked. Wish we had them back.

Yeah, Lanier was a ball hawk.

That's why the 3 vs 4 man front argument is so tiresome.

One argument I had against Arnett last time was his use of 5 DBs. It's almost always 3 safeties instead of 3 corners or a mix. LSU just put Nabers in the slot and tore up the safety he kept on him. I hope he adapts a little more this go round.

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah, Lanier was a ball hawk.

That's why the 3 vs 4 man front argument is so tiresome.

One argument I had against Arnett last time was his use of 5 DBs. It's almost always 3 safeties instead of 3 corners or a mix. LSU just put Nabers in the slot and tore up the safety he kept on him. I hope he adapts a little more this go round.

Ugh, I had almost forgotten that.

[Young dawg]

Nic Anderson in the portal. Any chance we go and get him or are we pretty much set and happy with the wr room as is?

[DEDawg]

Nic Anderson in the portal. Any chance we go and get him or are we pretty much set and happy with the wr room as is?

Would think you find way to make room for him if you can get him. Especially since Caleb is not entering the portal it seems.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anyone who thinks Charlie and Hadad are not tight and Hadad does not know what is in our collective is truly outing themselves as not knowing what the hell they are talking about. At all. Which makes me laugh when some of yall pretend to be fake insiders. It?s truly hilarious. If you don?t know that Hadad has a direct line there you truly don?t know sh*t and that is an understatement. I realize why this board was created and everyone here hates him, but he is on the biggest sports talk radio show in the state as the MSU representative. He knows a lot of people in that building and he talks to Charlie regularly. To not know that is outing yourself. Just remain quiet instead of letting everyone that has a brain know you?re FOS

https://x.com/msudawg04/status/2010845691946455254?s=46

He definitely talks to Hadad, as well as Robbie, Steve, Paul, etc. But there's some stuff he's not going to tell him. That shouldn't come as a huge shock to anyone. Charlie has to maintain good relationships with all media members. Heck he himself is also a media member in a way. He definitely talks to all those guys though.

Not really sure how this got started. I'm guessing Brian said something in regards to our budget.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nic Anderson in the portal. Any chance we go and get him or are we pretty much set and happy with the wr room as is?

We will go after him. I just don't know how in that pursuit we will be. We've been able to successfully moneyball that position two years in a row. Just hard to know what Anderson will be asking.

[Brobi-wan]

He definitely talks to Hadad, as well as Robbie, Steve, Paul, etc. But there's some stuff he's not going to tell him. That shouldn't come as a huge shock to anyone. Charlie has to maintain good relationships with all media members. Heck he himself is also a media member in a way. He definitely talks to all those guys though.

Not really sure how this got started. I'm guessing Brian said something in regards to our budget.

Specifically, if we don?t have 30 mil for this roster then Zac Selmon is a liar

Edit: Hadad said this. Not me

[StarkVegasSteve]

Specifically, if we don?t have 30 mil for this roster then Zac Selmon is a liar

Edit: Hadad said this. Not me

I would have to know context and how it was said. Was it more opinion or was he trying to say he was point blank told we had 30 million to spend and we are not spending it. If it is just an opinion then it is nothing. If he is stating a fact then up until Monday there was some credence to that.

Look, up until literally the last 48 hours, it was fair to question our portal acquisitions outside of the CBs and Marquis Johnson. We have definitely picked it up in that time frame though.

As far as the 30 million number, that one has been pretty widely reported that we would have around that much between rev share and NIL. I had heard as low as 27 and as high as 35 so the 30 number is in that range.

[RisperDawg]

He definitely talks to Hadad, as well as Robbie, Steve, Paul, etc. But there's some stuff he's not going to tell him. That shouldn't come as a huge shock to anyone. Charlie has to maintain good relationships with all media members. Heck he himself is also a media member in a way. He definitely talks to all those guys though.

Not really sure how this got started. I'm guessing Brian said something in regards to our budget.

https://www.supertalk.fm/thunder-lightning-mississippi-state-seems-to-be-missing-its-top-priority-in-the-portal/

Right around 6:30 mark if you want the context to go with it. It doesn't seem nearly as dogmatic as people are making it out to be.

[BrunswickDawg]

I would have to know context and how it was said. Was it more opinion or was he trying to say he was point blank told we had 30 million to spend and we are not spending it. If it is just an opinion then it is nothing. If he is stating a fact then up until Monday there was some credence to that.

Look, up until literally the last 48 hours, it was fair to question our portal acquisitions outside of the CBs and Marquis Johnson. We have definitely picked it up in that time frame though.

As far as the 30 million number, that one has been pretty widely reported that we would have around that much between rev share and NIL. I had heard as low as 27 and as high as 35 so the 30 number is in that range.

But even if it is 30 million - lets look at what really is. And this is just NIL, not the base pay from school, which everyone will get. Figure everyone projected in the 2 deep is getting paid NIL. That's 44 guys. Easily another 25 beyond that in freshmen prospects and transfers. Conservatively you are at 69 guys. Conservatively, you have 5-6 making $1 mil by themselves - Maybe a couple at $2m or more. So, you are "splitting" maybe 24 million between 60 or players. That just $400k each.
Now I have no idea what the real numbers are. But it shows how quickly the $ ads up and how possibly far behind we were/are. When you have Miami offering Ty Simpson $6.5 m to play another year - you see it.

[maroonmania]

But even if it is 30 million - lets look at what really is. And this is just NIL, not the base pay from school, which everyone will get. Figure everyone projected in the 2 deep is getting paid NIL. That's 44 guys. Easily another 25 beyond that in freshmen prospects and transfers. Conservatively you are at 69 guys. Conservatively, you have 5-6 making $1 mil by themselves - Maybe a couple at $2m or more. So, you are "splitting" maybe 24 million between 60 or players. That just $400k each.
Now I have no idea what the real numbers are. But it shows how quickly the $ ads up and how possibly far behind we were/are. When you have Miami offering Ty Simpson $6.5 m to play another year - you see it.

Poor guys only making $400K. Bless their hearts.

[Coursesuper]

I would have to know context and how it was said. Was it more opinion or was he trying to say he was point blank told we had 30 million to spend and we are not spending it. If it is just an opinion then it is nothing. If he is stating a fact then up until Monday there was some credence to that.

Look, up until literally the last 48 hours, it was fair to question our portal acquisitions outside of the CBs and Marquis Johnson. We have definitely picked it up in that time frame though.

As far as the 30 million number, that one has been pretty widely reported that we would have around that much between rev share and NIL. I had heard as low as 27 and as high as 35 so the 30 number is in that range.

The context is using any of the fan media as a absolute source on anything along these lines, there in no way on gods green earth that anyone with real knowledge would pass on exact information. To many people run to the propaganda peddled by our fan media, they have to understand that these guys are selling something. It all, as much as we all want our teams to be successful, is just another opinion not an absolute source of bang on solid information to always be relied on.

[Lord McBuckethead]

But even if it is 30 million - lets look at what really is. And this is just NIL, not the base pay from school, which everyone will get. Figure everyone projected in the 2 deep is getting paid NIL. That's 44 guys. Easily another 25 beyond that in freshmen prospects and transfers. Conservatively you are at 69 guys. Conservatively, you have 5-6 making $1 mil by themselves - Maybe a couple at $2m or more. So, you are "splitting" maybe 24 million between 60 or players. That just $400k each.
Now I have no idea what the real numbers are. But it shows how quickly the $ ads up and how possibly far behind we were/are. When you have Miami offering Ty Simpson $6.5 m to play another year - you see it.

Every player on the team will be getting NIL.

[Homedawg]

Every player on the team will be getting NIL.
everyone out of the 105? no. Out of the 85? getting closer

[HancockCountyDog]

Oh, I forgot, we are poor ol mittatippi tate.

My guess, he?s going to Miami for 3+ mil.

Nobody is saying that.

The kid is probably the most coveted OL in the portal. He will command close to 3 million. How much do you think we have committed to paying

Miller
Nash
Prudhomme
Dent
Matthews

That is 5 OL - Do you think we got them free? We have made a conscious decision to sign high upside, yet not proven OL. Chester is the only proven OL we have signed. I'm guessing we will still go after 1-2 more, but if you think we can afford to pay any OL 3 million, after committing to paying the 5 young OL money, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Look - either this strategy of signing young high upside OL will work, or Lebby is looking for a job next year. It is not the route I would have taken, but I'm certainly hoping it works out.

It does appear to be the same strategy on the DL. Young high upside, yet unproven at the P4 level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nobody is saying that.

The kid is probably the most coveted OL in the portal. He will command close to 3 million. How much do you think we have committed to paying

Miller
Nash
Prudhomme
Dent
Matthews

That is 5 OL - Do you think we got them free? We have made a conscious decision to sign high upside, yet not proven OL. Chester is the only proven OL we have signed. I'm guessing we will still go after 1-2 more, but if you think we can afford to pay any OL 3 million, after committing to paying the 5 young OL money, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Look - either this strategy of signing young high upside OL will work, or Lebby is looking for a job next year. It is not the route I would have taken, but I'm certainly hoping it works out.

It does appear to be the same strategy on the DL. Young high upside, yet unproven at the P4 level.

I have a decent guage on what we're paying these guys and so I'll try to ballpark it

Miller: 450-600K, this one very likely is higher. This was just the first numbers I heard.
Nash: 350-500K
Prudhomme: 350-500K
Dent: 150-300K
Matthews: 250K-500K
Chester:450-600K

That's not including what you've got in retention to guys like James, Owens, Steen, potentially Boone, etc.

Now could we get into a bidding war for Seaton if there was genuine interest? Yes. There's not a doubt in my mind we could. But we're not going to be bidding against a void. He has to want to come here and he has given no indication that is the case. People are just grasping at straws that because Loadholt was his OL coach, he'd want to be here.

[Todd4State]

I have a decent guage on what we're paying these guys and so I'll try to ballpark it

Miller: 450-600K, this one very likely is higher. This was just the first numbers I heard.
Nash: 350-500K
Prudhomme: 350-500K
Dent: 150-300K
Matthews: 250K-500K
Chester:450-600K

That's not including what you've got in retention to guys like James, Owens, Steen, potentially Boone, etc.

Now could we get into a bidding war for Seaton if there was genuine interest? Yes. There's not a doubt in my mind we could. But we're not going to be bidding against a void. He has to want to come here and he has given no indication that is the case. People are just grasping at straws that because Loadholt was his OL coach, he'd want to be here.

I'm guessing our primary target for LT is still Markel Bell.

[HancockCountyDog]

I have a decent guage on what we're paying these guys and so I'll try to ballpark it

Miller: 450-600K, this one very likely is higher. This was just the first numbers I heard.
Nash: 350-500K
Prudhomme: 350-500K
Dent: 150-300K
Matthews: 250K-500K
Chester:450-600K

That's not including what you've got in retention to guys like James, Owens, Steen, potentially Boone, etc.

Now could we get into a bidding war for Seaton if there was genuine interest? Yes. There's not a doubt in my mind we could. But we're not going to be bidding against a void. He has to want to come here and he has given no indication that is the case. People are just grasping at straws that because Loadholt was his OL coach, he'd want to be here.

I've been told the Chester number is higher, as it should be. I gotta admit, I'm not a huge fan of paying close to 2 million for five kids that have a combined zero starts and basically zero playing time.

You could get two absolute studs on the OL for 1 million each. I sure hope this works out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm guessing our primary target for LT is still Markel Bell.

I really don't know. There's a couple of other targets out there. We thankfully don't appear to be putting all our eggs in that basket.

[TrapGame]

I'm guessing our primary target for LT is still Markel Bell.

That is just weird to me. He is starting on a team playing for a NC. Why is he even listening to us?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've been told the Chester number is higher, as it should be. I gotta admit, I'm not a huge fan of paying close to 2 million for five kids that have a combined zero starts and basically zero playing time.

You could get two absolute studs on the OL for 1 million each. I sure hope this works out.

You're probably not wrong on Chester. Again, those were just the initial numbers. I know Bama getting involved with Chester raised his price.

[Pancho]

That is just weird to me. He is starting on a team playing for a NC. Why is he even listening to us?

Might just want to come home a spell before the NFL

[BlackSailsDawg]

I have a decent guage on what we're paying these guys and so I'll try to ballpark it

Miller: 450-600K, this one very likely is higher. This was just the first numbers I heard.
Nash: 350-500K
Prudhomme: 350-500K
Dent: 150-300K
Matthews: 250K-500K
Chester:450-600K

That's not including what you've got in retention to guys like James, Owens, Steen, potentially Boone, etc.

Now could we get into a bidding war for Seaton if there was genuine interest? Yes. There's not a doubt in my mind we could. But we're not going to be bidding against a void. He has to want to come here and he has given no indication that is the case. People are just grasping at straws that because Loadholt was his OL coach, he'd want to be here.

There is contact with Seaton. And we are willing to pay him.

We have won several bidding wars. We outbid Bama and others.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Looking like McVay.....

[bigbub50]

I’d love to hear a ranking of which of the following portal OL are most ready to play. Including Mcvay (he is now crystal ball’d to us).

Miller
Nash
Prudhomme
Dent
Matthews
Chester
McVay

[BuckyIsAB****]

Nobody is saying that.

The kid is probably the most coveted OL in the portal. He will command close to 3 million. How much do you think we have committed to paying

Miller
Nash
Prudhomme
Dent
Matthews

That is 5 OL - Do you think we got them free? We have made a conscious decision to sign high upside, yet not proven OL. Chester is the only proven OL we have signed. I'm guessing we will still go after 1-2 more, but if you think we can afford to pay any OL 3 million, after committing to paying the 5 young OL money, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Look - either this strategy of signing young high upside OL will work, or Lebby is looking for a job next year. It is not the route I would have taken, but I'm certainly hoping it works out.

It does appear to be the same strategy on the DL. Young high upside, yet unproven at the P4 level.

That?s a super nice way of saying no one wants to play for Lebbro. No one proven. Who would? Who among our fans loves him so much that they would be mad if he left tomorrow? He has done nothing to endear himself to the fan base or create any excitement. When Mullen lost to south al he was out there the next week vs South Carolina coaching like his job depended on it. Go back and watch. Lebby ain?t done nothing but pick out whatever his outfit is gonna be for the game

[BlackSailsDawg]

That?s a super nice way of saying no one wants to play for Lebbro. No one proven. Who would? Who among our fans loves him so much that they would be mad if he left tomorrow? He has done nothing to endear himself to the fan base or create any excitement. When Mullen lost to south al he was out there the next week vs South Carolina coaching like his job depended on it. Go back and watch. Lebby ain?t done nothing but pick out whatever his outfit is gonna be for the game

Bs.

Lebby will be your coach next season. And the next. And most likely, if we can keep him the following 3 years.

[Homedawg]

I'm guessing our primary target for LT is still Markel Bell.

That's pretty much a pipe dream as far as I'm concerned

[Homedawg]

There is contact with Seaton. And we are willing to pay him.

We have won several bidding wars. We outbid Bama and others.

It's saying we tried. We aren't getting that guy.

[BigDawg81]

Steve with the CB for McVay

[Todd4State]

That is just weird to me. He is starting on a team playing for a NC. Why is he even listening to us?

From Cleveland Mississippi.

[Todd4State]

If you mean he is told what they want him to know to spread to the public, I think many would agree with that. That is different than having intimate strategic information that they know he will run on his show. Or he is part of the system and will willingly spread false information

What's happening right now at Ole Miss is why whoever is headed up the collective isn't going to leak out exact dollar figures. Especially to someone who has a radio show and would blast it across the entire state.

[TrapGame]

From Cleveland Mississippi.

Well, that makes sense.

So, is there a chance we get him?

[Brobi-wan]

Well, that makes sense.

So, is there a chance we get him?

Supposedly he has been talked to by us (saw that on this board) he’s still playing and not in the portal right now. I believe the conflict is not the portal time. If he wants to transfer, teams in the playoff get 5 extra days. It would be the deadline for signing up for spring semester

[CaptainObvious]

I thought we got a TE out of the Portal.

[Tater]

Bs.

Lebby will be your coach next season. And the next. And most likely, if we can keep him the following 3 years.

Good god you're insufferable all over this thread. You just spout what Rosebowl crystal balls as your only "inside" information. I know I shouldn't give in to this but jesus shut the **** up with this nonsense.

Lebby has recruited projects and unproven guys. Why? because talent still doesn't buy into his vision at the OL. They know if they're already a starter that playing here could hurt their next paycheck. It is what it is.

Sure the talent is there we could be good. The lack of production is also there where we could be complete ass. Just like Year 1 of Lebby. Just like year 2 of Lebby. If you don't see the (lack of) improvement then you're blind.

Lebby could absolutely strike it big with this group. But it's a ****ing gamble. He had a top priority this portal and has done a piss poor job at it: get quality OL who have proven production. Still time for us to land a big fish. But clock is ticking. Otherwise you go in with 5 ?s along the line.

And if we're paying Dent 150k then we're suckers and bad at evaluating OL. From all indications the dude was constantly getting his ass kicked by walkons at OU. You gotta be delusional about Loadholt's coaching skill for him to turn it around. He's gonna likely be at a G5 next season, and then an FCS the year after that if he doesn't get his shit together.

[BankerDog]

Good god you're insufferable all over this thread. You just spout what Rosebowl crystal balls as your only "inside" information. I know I shouldn't give in to this but jesus shut the **** up with this nonsense.

Lebby has recruited projects and unproven guys. Why? because talent still doesn't buy into his vision at the OL. They know if they're already a starter that playing here could hurt their next paycheck. It is what it is.

Sure the talent is there we could be good. The lack of production is also there where we could be complete ass. Just like Year 1 of Lebby. Just like year 2 of Lebby. If you don't see the (lack of) improvement then you're blind.

Lebby could absolutely strike it big with this group. But it's a ****ing gamble. He had a top priority this portal and has done a piss poor job at it: get quality OL who have proven production. Still time for us to land a big fish. But clock is ticking. Otherwise you go in with 5 ?s along the line.

And if we're paying Dent 150k then we're suckers and bad at evaluating OL. From all indications the dude was constantly getting his ass kicked by walkons at OU. You gotta be delusional about Loadholt's coaching skill for him to turn it around. He's gonna likely be at a G5 next season, and then an FCS the year after that if he doesn't get his shit together.


They didn?t take Autry to play him. They took because of his dad. Some of our fans don?t know how to connect dots. You wanna combat Hopkins BS? You get more friendly with Autry, Demetric, and Espy. We will never make Shay happy because we passed him up in HS because ?he couldn?t play?.

[Tater]

They didn?t take Autry to play him. They took because of his dad. Some of our fans don?t know how to connect dots. You wanna combat Hopkins BS? You get more friendly with Autry, Demetric, and Espy. We will never make Shay happy because we passed him up in HS because ?he couldn?t play?.

Coulda got him for $50 and a roll of toilet paper in NIL. He was charmin soft.

And for the person who says 'how dare I talk about a state player like this'

1. it's a message board
2. he's paid - he'll cry in the dollar bills
3. use it as motivation. prove me wrong. please god prove me wrong about this OL im tired of losing i just don't trust this vision.

[Tater]

They didn?t take Autry to play him. They took because of his dad. Some of our fans don?t know how to connect dots. You wanna combat Hopkins BS? You get more friendly with Autry, Demetric, and Espy. We will never make Shay happy because we passed him up in HS because ?he couldn?t play?.

further. just drop a bag off on espy and demetric directly then. prolly get more on field production out of it.

[Todd4State]

They didn?t take Autry to play him. They took because of his dad. Some of our fans don?t know how to connect dots. You wanna combat Hopkins BS? You get more friendly with Autry, Demetric, and Espy. We will never make Shay happy because we passed him up in HS because ?he couldn?t play?.

Espy is never going to be a friend of MSU either. Especially with WR's.

[Todd4State]

Coulda got him for $50 and a roll of toilet paper in NIL. He was charmin soft.

And for the person who says 'how dare I talk about a state player like this'

1. it's a message board
2. he's paid - he'll cry in the dollar bills
3. use it as motivation. prove me wrong. please god prove me wrong about this OL im tired of losing i just don't trust this vision.

I think you missed his point. Giving him a spot on our roster gives us an in with his Dad which helps us recruit other players.

[Tater]

I think you missed his point. Giving him a spot on our roster gives us an in with his Dad which helps us recruit other players.

i definitely got the point. difference between paying $150k and giving him a roster spot.

i'd rather just give the dad $100k and use the $50k and roster spot on some fcs OL.

[Cowbell]

i definitely got the point. difference between paying $150k and giving him a roster spot.

i'd rather just give the dad $100k and use the $50k and roster spot on some fcs OL.

Relationship building isn't your strong suit I can see

[BankerDog]

further. just drop a bag off on espy and demetric directly then. prolly get more on field production out of it.

You obviously don?t know Shay and his hatred for State

[BankerDog]

Espy is never going to be a friend of MSU either. Especially with WR's.

He actually is better now. He was really happy with Ayden.

[BankerDog]

Coulda got him for $50 and a roll of toilet paper in NIL. He was charmin soft.

And for the person who says 'how dare I talk about a state player like this'

1. it's a message board
2. he's paid - he'll cry in the dollar bills
3. use it as motivation. prove me wrong. please god prove me wrong about this OL im tired of losing i just don't trust this vision.

How do you know we didn?t pick him up on cheap? The average third teamer in college football is making $50K or so.

But since you have all these great evaluation skills, you should ramp up your NIL donations and less the charge for us like Cody does for TT.

[StarkVegasSteve]

further. just drop a bag off on espy and demetric directly then. prolly get more on field production out of it.

Probably not the worst idea. Espy has softened his stance on us since we took Ayden. Although, I know part of that softening was Kiffin and how he was not recruiting any of Espy's WRs outside of Cunningham.

I know they are working to get him back in the fold.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Steve with the CB for McVay

Really going out on a limb there since the kid hasn't visited anywhere else. I don't think McVay is as highly sought after as he was led to believe. I also think his number is really high and we are the only team that's willing to meet it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There is contact with Seaton. And we are willing to pay him.

We have won several bidding wars. We outbid Bama and others.

Thank you for giving us the exact info Steve posted. Damn near word for word actually.

No crap we've had contact with Seaton. So have about 50 other programs. But Steve didn't tell his followers that one. We're not getting Jordan Seaton unless we just say screw it we'll torpedo the rest of our budget or we get a massive NIL donation.

Like Tater said, we still are having trouble selling the OL vision to portal kids. For a guy like Seaton, who's already got multiple 4 million dollar offers on the table(again, more info Steve didn't tell you) from playoff contenders, we would have to pay 5.5-6. I mean it would have to be a massive overpayment where we torpedoed the rest of our budget.

[DLGDawg]

Probably not the worst idea. Espy has softened his stance on us since we took Ayden. Although, I know part of that softening was Kiffin and how he was not recruiting any of Espy's WRs outside of Cunningham.

I know they are working to get him back in the fold.
Kinda OT, but these guys/reps/agents pushing players to certain places or away from certain places...that seems to me like there could be a "conflict of interest " problem there. ??
I've been waiting for the first lawsuit to drop against a player rep/agent in these wild times.

[StarkVegasSteve]

To kind of put a bow on the Seaton stuff, I have ZERO idea if there is any return interest. My guess, I doubt there is other than just familiarity with Loadholt. However, this may be the time you pay 100K to get a guy to visit. Is it a waste of money? In all likelihood, yes. But hey, maybe you get him on campus and make him a 5.5 type offer and you get lucky. I think it also would be a good perception builder. If it is even perceived we are in it with him then that could drum up interest elsewhere.

[Todd4State]

To kind of put a bow on the Seaton stuff, I have ZERO idea if there is any return interest. My guess, I doubt there is other than just familiarity with Loadholt. However, this may be the time you pay 100K to get a guy to visit. Is it a waste of money? In all likelihood, yes. But hey, maybe you get him on campus and make him a 5.5 type offer and you get lucky. I think it also would be a good perception builder. If it is even perceived we are in it with him then that could drum up interest elsewhere.

This is what Ole Miss does.

And it gets them a mention with the Alabama's, LSU's, Ohio State's, and etc. even if they have 0% chance of landing the player.

[dawggrad08]

This is what Ole Miss does.

And it gets them a mention with the Alabama's, LSU's, Ohio State's, and etc. even if they have 0% chance of landing the player.

my thoughts exactly. If they've mastered anything, it's drumming up publicity. Sometimes our admin seems like they're "above it all" but there are times it's worth it. This might be one of those times. It might even quiet some of the negativity from our own fans that we aren't even trying. Twitter is a cesspool right now in that regard.

[TrapGame]

Looks like McVay is officially in.

[DEDawg]

Looks like McVay is officially in.

BIG MEAT

[StarkVegasSteve]

A solid get. Need a LT, EDGE, and a TE

[Todd4State]

Looks like McVay is officially in.

Sets up the interior of the line to be Chester, Boone and McVay. That's much better and now we can use Owens and James as depth pieces.

Need a legit LT though.

[Todd4State]

A solid get. Need a LT, EDGE, and a TE

Hopefully we can get that squared away this weekend or next week.

[DEDawg]

I wish we?d overpay and just go get Womack from Ole Miss. any other team probably not worth the price but showing them we can buy their players right from under them whey they are historically at the highest they?ve ever been while we?ve been in low lows is a really strong statement

[HancockCountyDog]

I wish we?d overpay and just go get Womack from Ole Miss. any other team probably not worth the price but showing them we can buy their players right from under them whey they are historically at the highest they?ve ever been while we?ve been in low lows is a really strong statement

Womack sucks. He is the classic high 4 star from High School who just keeps living off his HS ratings.

[DEDawg]

Womack sucks. He is the classic high 4 star from High School who just keeps living off his HS ratings.

That's the beauty, an overpay would still not break the bank. He's a position of need for us that has all the tools and Ole Miss wants to keep him.

[Jake]

He's been playing OT so why are you thinking we are moving him inside?

[Irondawg]

Right, get an experience tackle (which will be hard) and we've done well. Some of these OL are going to be terrible, we just need 1-2 of them to pop for us and not be turnstiles.

[Todd4State]

Jordan Seaton IS VISITING.

[BeardoMSU]

Is this bad news or nah?

https://twitter.com/i/status/2011961855049146473

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is this bad news or nah?

https://twitter.com/i/status/2011961855049146473

Sign of things maybe. I also think he sees the writing on the wall with all these guards we are bringing in.