Jackson Arnold

[Coach34]

MVB will likely get 800K-1MM in the portal

[Really Clark?]

That was his NIL value, that is not the number I was told he got. I've been told less than 500K. Got to remember, last year's numbers aren't this year's numbers.

OL transfers cost between 250-350K last year. This year, I'm hearing 400-500K. Only a handful of QB's made 1 million last season, this year - that is the floor for a p4 QB. It is why MVB thought he was worth what he asked for.

Craver is a solid player with potential, I really don't want to lose him, but I don't see a team breaking the bank for him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it.

That's right. His total NIL value as of the start of the season.

[HancockCountyDog]

MVB will likely get 800K-1MM in the portal

I'm interested in where he goes.

How does he command a starting gig at p4 school that can pay that much? Also, if you can pay that much for a starting QB, why are you settling for MVB?

I think he would thrive in the ACC or Tulane level, but not in the B10 or SEC. I think he has limitations.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm Kentucky, AU or NC State and my big QB signing is MVB, I'm not thrilled.

[Really Clark?]

oh no doubt about that. Thats crazy and we all know that. But someone will pay him a certain amount. It's all about negotiations and why we have a football GM now

College football is no more. This is a new era

I think his best offers will all fall within $50,000 of each other around $250,000. We gave him a good offer. I think him and MVB's people heard about all the NIL we have been receiving and thought that they had more leverage on us coming off a 2-10 year, that we would be desperate to not lose them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think his best offers will all fall within $50,000 of each other around $250,000. We gave him a good offer. I think him and MVB's people heard about all the NIL we have been receiving and thought that they had more leverage on us coming off a 2-10 year, that we would be desperate to not lose them.

No Craver came in Lebby's office and tried to tell him who the starter was going to be. Lebby said that was an interesting point, thanked him for his service, and told him to turn in his stuff.

[Really Clark?]

MVB will likely get 800K-1MM in the portal

I think it all depends on if he is seen as a young back up / possible starter or a team needs a starter bad and missed on their top targets. I'm thinking $600-750,000 will be the bulk of his offers but I could see a few stretch the market for him toward the $1 MIL range.

[DEDawg]

I'm interested in where he goes.

How does he command a starting gig at p4 school that can pay that much? Also, if you can pay that much for a starting QB, why are you settling for MVB?

I think he would thrive in the ACC or Tulane level, but not in the B10 or SEC. I think he has limitations.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm Kentucky, AU or NC State and my big QB signing is MVB, I'm not thrilled.

I don't get it either. Who is going to guarantee him a starting spot coming off a 55% completion season where he won 1 game? Why would any team do that? Maybe that demand was only for us

[HancockCountyDog]

No Craver came in Lebby's office and tried to tell him who the starter was going to be. Lebby said that was an interesting point, thanked him for his service, and told him to turn in his stuff.

Wait - you are saying Lebby kicked Craver off the team because he wanted MVB to be the QB. I can't believe that. That is not what I heard at all.

I mean, Lebby kicking Craver off the team would be an interesting decision.

[Brobi-wan]

Wait - you are saying Lebby kicked Craver off the team because he wanted MVB to be the QB. I can't believe that. That is not what I heard at all.

I mean, Lebby kicking Craver off the team would be an interesting decision.

I took it as as Craver saying he was WR1

[HancockCountyDog]

I took it as as Craver saying he was WR1

The post he was responding to was about MVB and the QB position.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wait - you are saying Lebby kicked Craver off the team because he wanted MVB to be the QB. I can't believe that. That is not what I heard at all.

I mean, Lebby kicking Craver off the team would be an interesting decision.

He didn't kick him off the team. Craver told him Van Buren was the starter or he was transferring. Lebby said that was interesting and we would miss Mario.

[Coach34]

I don't get it either. Who is going to guarantee him a starting spot coming off a 55% completion season where he won 1 game? Why would any team do that? Maybe that demand was only for us

some teams out there really need a QB. He was really good for a true freshman in the SEC. Hell there are Jr's out there completing 55% of their passes. Ask Kentucky. Lagway at Fla was at 59% and he is considered the next big thing

[StarkVegasSteve]

some teams out there really need a QB. He was really good for a true freshman in the SEC. Hell there are Jr's out there completing 55% of their passes. Ask Kentucky. Lagway at Fla was at 59% and he is considered the next big thing

Lagway also won games and generally didn't dirt 6 yd slant routes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's so funny to listen to some of these national guys painfully admit that Arnold is going to State. They hate that a top portal guy is coming to Starkville.

[CaptainObvious]

It's so funny to listen to some of these national guys painfully admit that Arnold is going to State. They hate that a top portal guy is coming to Starkville.

I haven't seen where he has signed with State or enrolled for Spring Classes. I'm not from Missouri but he still has to "Show Me!"

[DEDawg]

some teams out there really need a QB. He was really good for a true freshman in the SEC. Hell there are Jr's out there completing 55% of their passes. Ask Kentucky. Lagway at Fla was at 59% and he is considered the next big thing

I see those things as separate points. Who is going to say he is the starter guaranteed without him ever playing a snap at that school and coming off a 1 win season

[Coach34]

Lagway also won games and generally didn't dirt 6 yd slant routes.

Coaches saw how bad we were on D. MVB was a pretty good true freshman. Will somebody absolutely guarantee him the QB job? No. Will somebody pay him and bring him in with the expectation to be the starter? Absolutely. Auburn and Kentucky just played a whole season with worse QB's

[msstate7]

I think MvB will leave and be another sawyer Robertson. Sawyer is having one hell of a season...
62.8% 2626 yds (8.3 per) 26 tds 7 ints
227 rushing (3.85 per) 4 tds
155.02 passer rating (14th nationally)
83.7 QBR (5th nationally)

I can also see Arnold putting up big numbers like this too

[basedog]

It's Coming!

[DLGDawg]

It's Coming!

No you didn't !!!! Ha

[Cowbell]

It's so funny to listen to some of these national guys painfully admit that Arnold is going to State. They hate that a top portal guy is coming to Starkville.

The OU faithful is the funniest take in all this. They still think they are the greatest gift to college football since the Bear.

[Cowbell]

It's Coming!

😂

[Cowbell]

I think MvB will leave and be another sawyer Robertson. Sawyer is having one hell of a season...
62.8% 2626 yds (8.3 per) 26 tds 7 ints
227 rushing (3.85 per) 4 tds
155.02 passer rating (14th nationally)
83.7 QBR (5th nationally)

I can also see Arnold putting up big numbers like this too

I agree - I like Arnold for the positive PR though

[Brobi-wan]

I think MvB will leave and be another sawyer Robertson. Sawyer is having one hell of a season...
62.8% 2626 yds (8.3 per) 26 tds 7 ints
227 rushing (3.85 per) 4 tds
155.02 passer rating (14th nationally)
83.7 QBR (5th nationally)

I can also see Arnold putting up big numbers like this too

Robertson is 6’4 220 though.

MVB being listed at 6’1 200 just does NOT seem accurate. He definitely seemed to have some vision problems behind the line sometimes. I think he has potential to be a great QB, but I do think Arnold is more polished and we plan to ride with Taylor in two years. Robertson was a higher rated recruit and probably should have been our QB over Will.

[KB21]

Robertson is 6’4 220 though.

MVB being listed at 6’1 200 just does NOT seem accurate. He definitely seemed to have some vision problems behind the line sometimes. I think he has potential to be a great QB, but I do think Arnold is more polished and we plan to ride with Taylor in two years. Robertson was a higher rated recruit and probably should have been our QB over Will.

It should also be added that Baylor got rid of their power run offensive coordinator and replaced him with a coach who runs a modern Air Raid. It's not surprising that Robertson's numbers have taken off this year. Same philosophy applies to Jackson Arnold. He's going back to the offense he fits.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Robertson is 6’4 220 though.

MVB being listed at 6’1 200 just does NOT seem accurate. He definitely seemed to have some vision problems behind the line sometimes. I think he has potential to be a great QB, but I do think Arnold is more polished and we plan to ride with Taylor in two years. Robertson was a higher rated recruit and probably should have been our QB over Will.

Sawyer had some maturing to do. It seems like he's done that at Baylor.

[starkvegasdawg]

Robertson is 6’4 220 though.

MVB being listed at 6’1 200 just does NOT seem accurate. He definitely seemed to have some vision problems behind the line sometimes.

A lot of that was the DL constantly pushing our OL backwards into his face all game.

[Bdawg]

He didn't kick him off the team. Craver told him Van Buren was the starter or he was transferring. Lebby said that was interesting and we would miss Mario.

Tail can?t wag the dog. C ya!

[Lord McBuckethead]

We would be crazy not to want that kind of production transferring in. He would be a huge addition.

It doesn't matter if we have Lamar Jackson back there, without OL......

[Lord McBuckethead]

He also led the SEC in TDs in October. And we played atm, Texas, Georgia.

[confucius say]

Wait - you are saying Lebby kicked Craver off the team because he wanted MVB to be the QB. I can't believe that. That is not what I heard at all.

I mean, Lebby kicking Craver off the team would be an interesting decision.

I mean he almost did it twice this season. Not a shock if he told him to walk now

[confucius say]

The OU faithful is the funniest take in all this. They still think they are the greatest gift to college football since the Bear.

They also said littrell was an upgrade over lebby

[paverdog]

Is it true he has a visit with Auburn this week? I sure hope not. I'd like for him and his family's mind to be on us only.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is it true he has a visit with Auburn this week? I sure hope not. I'd like for him and his family's mind to be on us only.

Covered it in the portal thread but yes it is true. Freeze and Co. are paying him 25K to visit.

[paverdog]

Covered it in the portal thread but yes it is true. Freeze and Co. are paying him 25K to visit.

Thanks, hope that's all it is, just for that.

[Dawgology]

Covered it in the portal thread but yes it is true. Freeze and Co. are paying him 25K to visit.

Ha. That’s what Feeze used to do at Ole Miss. pay high profile recruits to visit for the publicity and sometimes it worked out.

[confucius say]

Covered it in the portal thread but yes it is true. Freeze and Co. are paying him 25K to visit.

Is that technically allowed?

I know it doesn't matter, just curious

[Coursesuper]

Is that technically allowed?

I know it doesn't matter, just curious

It?s the Wild West out there now, what?s allowed is what you can do.

[DawgFromOxford]

Covered it in the portal thread but yes it is true. Freeze and Co. are paying him 25K to visit.

Hugh if you are reading this, I still have 4 years of eligibility left. Will take 10k to come visit. Have your people call my people.

[BeardoMSU]

Hugh if you are reading this, I still have 4 years of eligibility left. Will take 10k to come visit. Have your people call my people.

Just say you are a master masseuse***

[Turfdawg67]

I think MvB will leave and be another sawyer Robertson. Sawyer is having one hell of a season...
62.8% 2626 yds (8.3 per) 26 tds 7 ints
227 rushing (3.85 per) 4 tds
155.02 passer rating (14th nationally)
83.7 QBR (5th nationally)

I can also see Arnold putting up big numbers like this too

I like that the people on this board, who rip QBs that left, especially the ones recruited by Leach, conveniently forget about Sawyer.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I like that the people on this board, who rip QBs that left, especially the ones recruited by Leach, conveniently forget about Sawyer.

Sawyer had a lot of growing up to do when he was here. Thankfully he did grow up and became a solid college QB.

[Turfdawg67]

Sawyer had a lot of growing up to do when he was here. Thankfully he did grow up and became a solid college QB.

Agreed and didn't mean you. These others certainly don't mind finding the flaws of those that don't mature nor succeed.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agreed and didn't mean you. These others certainly don't mind finding the flaws of those that don't mature nor succeed.

Oh I didn't think you did. I liked Sawyer a lot when we recruited him. He was just really immature when he was here. Mike even said that he had some growing up to do, told Sawyer's parents that to their face. He thankfully did that and has become the QB Mike thought he could become.

[CaptainObvious]

Oh I didn't think you did. I liked Sawyer a lot when we recruited him. He was just really immature when he was here. Mike even said that he had some growing up to do, told Sawyer's parents that to their face. He thankfully did that and has become the QB Mike thought he could become.

But why do they have to leave State to mature? Can they not do that here? Is our athletics department running a Day Care Center?

[StarkVegasSteve]

But why do they have to leave State to mature? Can they not do that here? Is our athletics department running a Day Care Center?

Well Sawyer never read his playbook, did not pay attention during film or practice, and he did not show up to some weight lifting stuff early on.

[KB21]

Well Sawyer never read his playbook, did not pay attention during film or practice, and he did not show up to some weight lifting stuff early on.

....and that's the reason the more physically talented player couldn't beat Will Rogers out for the job.

[Brobi-wan]

But why do they have to leave State to mature? Can they not do that here? Is our athletics department running a Day Care Center?

Can’t make a nearly grown kid do anything. 18 YO me was living proof of that.

[Coach34]

But why do they have to leave State to mature? Can they not do that here? Is our athletics department running a Day Care Center?

This happens at every school- not just State

[SPMT]

This happens at every school- not just State


Yep. Some do better, some do worse.

Caleb Downs and Isaiah Bond did worse.

Dillon and Woody did better.

RaRa did worse. Happens everywhere like you say.

[Cowbell]

A top national recruit going to visit Auburn and Pimp freeze and people on here saying that less than 1% chance he chooses auburn over us....we need to share drugs...

[Really Clark?]

A top national recruit going to visit Auburn and Pimp freeze and people on here saying that less than 1% chance he chooses auburn over us....we need to share drugs...

He's had to turn in his fuzzy fedora. He ain't slinging tail like he use too.

[msu15]

A top national recruit going to visit Auburn and Pimp freeze and people on here saying that less than 1% chance he chooses auburn over us....we need to share drugs...

You'll be ending up with egg on your face.

[CaptainObvious]

I bet Freezus is handing out $100's like a redneck hands out $Dollar Bills in a strip club!

[CaptainObvious]

You'll be ending up with egg on your face.

So you are saying he has already signed the paperwork with Lebby?

[Cowbell]

You'll be ending up with egg on your face.
Reading Comprehension must not be taught anymore. I'm not saying he ain't coming here. But to say that it's less than 1% chance he doesn't is ludicrous when we are talking about recruiting/portal/NIL, especially with pimp freeze in the mix. Even the national guys only have us at 50% and they know as much as anyone on this board - agents, brokers, coaches, and uncle sticky fingers all use these guys.

All the info on this board comes from boosters and originating from coaches. All the coaches on staff right now are on the hot seat and they know it. They are selling it to the boosters that they got kids 100% committed to get boosters off their tail and so everyone needs to realize we are being oversold to a degree and we need to be realistic in all this. We won 2 games. These kids good enough for NIL offers got 15 other SEC schools alone that did better than us possibly offering.

[msu15]

Reading Comprehension must not be taught anymore. I'm not saying he ain't coming here. But to say that it's less than 1% chance he doesn't is ludicrous when we are talking about recruiting/portal/NIL, especially with pimp freeze in the mix. Even the national guys only have us at 50% and they know as much as anyone on this board - agents, brokers, coaches, and uncle sticky fingers all use these guys.

All the info on this board comes from boosters and originating from coaches. All the coaches on staff right now are on the hot seat and they know it. They are selling it to the boosters that they got kids 100% committed to get boosters off their tail and so everyone needs to realize we are being oversold to a degree and we need to be realistic in all this. We won 2 games. These kids good enough for NIL offers got 15 other SEC schools alone that did better than us possibly offering.

Read your first sentence and then take a long look at yourself in the mirror.

[Chuck3124]

Is there any chance he shows up on campus today and shuts it down?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is there any chance he shows up on campus today and shuts it down?

There's always a chance. I highly doubt it. The timeline that I have been told has remained pretty consistent that it will be this weekend.

[Cowbell]

There's always a chance. I highly doubt it. The timeline that I have been told has remained pretty consistent that it will be this weekend.

Have you heard $ amount - 900k is what I've heard

[Really Clark?]

Have you heard $ amount - 900k is what I've heard

It's not that much.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Have you heard $ amount - 900k is what I've heard

What amount are you talking about? The amount we are offering? Or Auburn?

Our offer is less because that is what was agreed upon with Jackson and his family. I do not have any exact amount but putting a few things together, your number is probably on the higher end of what I would guess, I would say it is somewhere between 650-900. The good thing with Jackson is that he thinks Lebby is his best chance to get to the next level so he will take a discount here to get back with Jeff. Then there is Freeze, who has never even had a QB drafted. If it was Lincoln Riley getting involved I might be worried.

[Cowbell]

What amount are you talking about? The amount we are offering? Or Auburn?

Our offer is less because that is what was agreed upon with Jackson and his family. I do not have any exact amount but putting a few things together, your number is probably on the higher end of what I would guess, I would say it is somewhere between 650-900. The good thing with Jackson is that he thinks Lebby is his best chance to get to the next level so he will take a discount here to get back with Jeff. Then there is Freeze, who has never even had a QB drafted. If it was Lincoln Riley getting involved I might be worried.

Thank you - and I know it's hard to believe but Starkville is miles ahead of Norman as far as a college town. And Starkville has better much much better scenery for a single man

[Pancho]

getting shapen and arnold for basically the same amount that mvb demanded should be considered a steal

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thank you - and I know it's hard to believe but Starkville is miles ahead of Norman as far as a college town. And Starkville has better much much better scenery for a single man

That's saying something then. However, I do believe you.

[paverdog]

Has Arnold visited here yet or going too? It would be nice if he went on and took his visit to Auburn, the swung by here and signed with us.

[Pancho]

auburn first, then starkville

[StarkVegasSteve]

Has Arnold visited here yet or going too? It would be nice if he went on and took his visit to Auburn, the swung by here and signed with us.

That's the plan....if he even ends up visiting Auburn. I'm still 50/50 that visit even happens. Maalik Murphy visiting today threw a wrench into things from Auburn's standpoint of recruiting Arnold. Again though, like I said yesterday, this is all by design by Freeze. He wants to be connected to every QB on the market so every QB feels a pressure to commit on their visit.

[starkvegasdawg]

That's the plan....if he even ends up visiting Auburn. I'm still 50/50 that visit even happens. Maalik Murphy visiting today threw a wrench into things from Auburn's standpoint of recruiting Arnold. Again though, like I said yesterday, this is all by design by Freeze. He wants to be connected to every QB on the market so every QB feels a pressure to commit on their visit.

You would think after a while players would see through his sleazy used car salesman hypocritical ass and not pay him any attention. They have to see how he throws players under the bus and never accepts any blame, too. Auburn is not the only place to get a $100 handshake and some coed willing to take one for the team.

[Really Clark?]

You would think after a while players would see through his sleazy used car salesman hypocritical ass and not pay him any attention. They have to see how he throws players under the bus and never accepts any blame, too. Auburn is not the only place to get a $100 handshake and some coed willing to take one for the team.

$100? Try $25,000

[StarkVegasSteve]

You would think after a while players would see through his sleazy used car salesman hypocritical ass and not pay him any attention. They have to see how he throws players under the bus and never accepts any blame, too. Auburn is not the only place to get a $100 handshake and some coed willing to take one for the team.

You also only need to take one look at Twitter. There's one fanbase that, for the most part(outside of a few) really want Arnold at their school. The other fanbase is outraged that their school could take someone that got benched. Doesn't matter that he did the one thing they covet, beat Bama.

[bulldawg28]

You also only need to take one look at Twitter. There's one fanbase that, for the most part(outside of a few) really want Arnold at their school. The other fanbase is outraged that their school could take someone that got benched. Doesn't matter that he did the one thing they covet, beat Bama.

That was all defense. The offense scored 14 points I believe.

[confucius say]

That was all defense. The offense scored 14 points I believe.

He ran for 131 yards though. Because they were without their top 5 WR (which is insane by the way).
He was 9 of 11 for 68 yards throwing.
7 of the 9 receptions were to tight ends and RB.
And another was to a walk on freshman WR.

[gtowndawg]

getting shapen and arnold for basically the same amount that mvb demanded should be considered a steal

I concur.

[bulldawg28]

He ran for 131 yards though. Because they were without their top 5 WR (which is insane by the way).
He was 9 of 11 for 68 yards throwing.
7 of the 9 receptions were to tight ends and RB.
And another was to a walk on freshman WR.

Gotcha

[basedog]

Pretty sure with Arnold scheduled to be at Auburn Friday may have raised the $$$$. We shall see. I'm not as confident about Arnold as before, I hope we maintain Communcation with MVB.

[Msujd164]

Pretty sure with Arnold scheduled to be at Auburn Friday may have raised the $$$$. We shall see. I'm not as confident about Arnold as before, I hope we maintain Communcation with MVB.

Arnold has just scheduled his visit to us Friday, not Auburn.

[Really Clark?]

Pretty sure with Arnold scheduled to be at Auburn Friday may have raised the $$$$. We shall see. I'm not as confident about Arnold as before, I hope we maintain Communcation with MVB.

He is scheduled for Auburn Thursday, if he keeps it

[Coach34]

He is scheduled for Auburn Thursday, if he keeps it

Freezus is doing the ol Orgeron method he did at Mississippi- pay them to visit and get them on campus. Helps your chances of sealing a deal

[Really Clark?]

Freezus is doing the ol Orgeron method he did at Mississippi- pay them to visit and get them on campus. Helps your chances of sealing a deal

Yep. They are spending a good bit just on QB visits.

[basedog]

Arnold has just scheduled his visit to us Friday, not Auburn.

Good deal

[confucius say]

He is scheduled for Auburn Thursday, if he keeps it

I can drive to the Plains and sabotage the trip if need be, lol

[HancockCountyDog]

At this point due to need, I'm all in on Arnold. One of my best buds is an OU alum and he thinks I'm crazy. He told me to go watch the Tennessee game. My response "Don't screw with my hope, I'm not watching sh!t"

I try to be objective on players coming to MSU, but here, I just don't want to be objective. We just had our second consecutive shitshow of a season. I want some level of hope, if it has to be a QB that got benched from a below average OU team, then I will freaking do it.

[Brobi-wan]

At this point due to need, I'm all in on Arnold. One of my best buds is an OU alum and he thinks I'm crazy. He told me to go watch the Tennessee game. My response "Don't screw with my hope, I'm not watching sh!t"

I try to be objective on players coming to MSU, but here, I just don't want to be objective. We just had our second consecutive shitshow of a season. I want some level of hope, if it has to be a QB that got benched from a below average OU team, then I will freaking do it.

Joe Burrow rode the pine at OSU.

[maroonmania]

At this point due to need, I'm all in on Arnold. One of my best buds is an OU alum and he thinks I'm crazy. He told me to go watch the Tennessee game. My response "Don't screw with my hope, I'm not watching sh!t"

I try to be objective on players coming to MSU, but here, I just don't want to be objective. We just had our second consecutive shitshow of a season. I want some level of hope, if it has to be a QB that got benched from a below average OU team, then I will freaking do it.

With the whole defensive staff coming back I have no real reason for any hope unless we shockingly land some defensive line studs. If you do find some reason for hope let me know. At this point I would think expecting 4 wins would be optimistic given the schedule. ASU is going to be a beast of a nonconference game on top of the most difficult SEC schedule of any team.

[HancockCountyDog]

Joe Burrow rode the pine at OSU.

Sure - but we watched what Arnold did at OU. This isn't a what if situation. It doesn't matter now, I'm all in. We have to be.

[Brobi-wan]

Sure - but we watched what Arnold did at OU. This isn't a what if situation. It doesn't matter now, I'm all in. We have to be.

Fair enough. But he couldn’t crack to be the backup and went on to lead one of the best teams of all time. Seems like they were trying to fit a square peg in a round hole at OU. Kinda like Dan with Tyler Russel.

[Irondawg]

It will curious to see how hard AU pushes Murphy on his Wednesday visit. Be nice to see him commit there and take AU out of the game

[CaptainObvious]

Fair enough. But he couldn’t crack to be the backup and went on to lead one of the best teams of all time. Seems like they were trying to fit a square peg in a round hole at OU. Kinda like Dan with Tyler Russel.

Dan did two things in 2009 that separated him from Jughead and Dezi Arnez. He honored the scholarship offers of his predecessor and actually ran what the players on roster could handle that year and left his DC alone to do his thing. He didn't tinker. When he got his guys at QB and RB and OL, in 2010, he turned them loose in His offensive scheme! Every time he had to rebuild his QB room, we took a step back and built back quickly in year 2 of that QB. He tasted the cake at the top of the hill in 2014 and when his troops couldn't sustain it, he had a couple of job hunting years that dropped the program back, and had it built back again for 2018..... but...... daddy called him home.

[parabrave]

Joe Burrow rode the pine at OSU.

And he sucked at LSU till they got Brady. And he was surrounded by NFL Talent.

[Brobi-wan]

And he sucked at LSU till they got Brady. And he was surrounded by NFL Talent.

Exactly my point. Littrel was likely Arnold’s problem. The tools are there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It will curious to see how hard AU pushes Murphy on his Wednesday visit. Be nice to see him commit there and take AU out of the game

Well and Auburn is already bringing in the Stanford QB as well.

[Cowbell]

Reading Comprehension must not be taught anymore. I'm not saying he ain't coming here. But to say that it's less than 1% chance he doesn't is ludicrous when we are talking about recruiting/portal/NIL, especially with pimp freeze in the mix. Even the national guys only have us at 50% and they know as much as anyone on this board - agents, brokers, coaches, and uncle sticky fingers all use these guys.

All the info on this board comes from boosters and originating from coaches. All the coaches on staff right now are on the hot seat and they know it. They are selling it to the boosters that they got kids 100% committed to get boosters off their tail and so everyone needs to realize we are being oversold to a degree and we need to be realistic in all this. We won 2 games. These kids good enough for NIL offers got 15 other SEC schools alone that did better than us possibly offering.

Bump

[Homedawg]

Well and Auburn is already bringing in the Stanford QB as well.

He's a backup period

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's a backup period

Oh without a doubt a backup. But it is another transfer who has his eyes set on the job. No one is telling that kid he is coming in to be the backup.

[BankerDog]

Bump

They aren?t on hot seat.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They aren?t on hot seat.

Not even close to on the hot seat.

[KB21]

Not even close to on the hot seat.

Most knowledgeable football people realize the situation this staff inherited wasn't conducive to winning anytime soon.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Most knowledgeable football people realize the situation this staff inherited wasn't conducive to winning anytime soon.

No because they thought we were left with a full cupboard when in reality we were left with a low level G5, AT BEST, roster.

[Brobi-wan]

Most knowledgeable football people realize the situation this staff inherited wasn't conducive to winning anytime soon.

That was clear by game 4….or it should have been. Somehow that’s Lebby’s fault to some of these people, and he wasn’t the one doing recruiting for the last 4 years.

[Commercecomet24]

No because they thought we were left with a full cupboard when in reality we were left with a low level G5, AT BEST, roster.

Bingo.

[KB21]

That was clear by game 4….or it should have been. Somehow that’s Lebby’s fault to some of these people, and he wasn’t the one doing recruiting for the last 4 years.

This is why I have said that you can't get a true evaluation on Coleman Hutzler as a defensive coordinator. He had absolutely nothing to work with.

[Bdawg]

I hope continuity will pay off long term. We have to show some life next season and Jeff needs to prove he is the man for the job. It’s bad enough in this portal era to have a new team each year. We need some stability in our coaches. Not saying all should stay but head coach and coordinators need to be consistent if possible for a while.

[HancockCountyDog]

Just someone tell me when I can finally let loose on all my hesitations about JA.

[DownwardDawg]

Oklahoma receiver just signed with us. Coincidence???

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oklahoma receiver just signed with us. Coincidence???

Coincidence? Maybe not. But not a coincidence that Lebby is bringing some of his OU guys. Our receiver room is going to be JUST FINE next year.

[NCDawg]

This is why I have said that you can't get a true evaluation on Coleman Hutzler as a defensive coordinator. He had absolutely nothing to work with.

I agree with this statement. We had very little talent on defense.

[State82]

No because they thought we were left with a full cupboard when in reality we were left with a low level G5, AT BEST, roster.

Yep. Most definitely G5 at best. And that is being generous.

[confucius say]

This is why I have said that you can't get a true evaluation on Coleman Hutzler as a defensive coordinator. He had absolutely nothing to work with.

Been saying sane thing in other threads.

[Coursesuper]

Most knowledgeable football people realize the situation this staff inherited wasn't conducive to winning anytime soon.

The only ones who think this staff is on the hot seat is the y?all crowd and the ignorant entitled bunch who think they can control the situation. The same people who had a huge hand in landing us in the mess in the first place.

[Commercecomet24]

The only ones who think this staff is on the hot seat is the y?all crowd and the ignorant entitled bunch who think they can control the situation. The same people who had a huge hand in landing us in the mess in the first place.

100%

[Coach34]

This staff is getting at least 3 years. Not sure why people dont understand this

[Coursesuper]

This staff is getting at least 3 years. Not sure why people dont understand this

Because they have no idea how broken the program is and how much it will take to fix it. They believe that one portal pull can undo all the bad. Without the understanding that we live in the biggest basest most expensive conference in the land.

[EdwardDrayton]

Because they have no idea how broken the program is and how much it will take to fix it. They believe that one portal pull can undo all the bad. Without the understanding that we live in the biggest basest most expensive conference in the land.

^^^^^^^

[maroonmania]

I agree with this statement. We had very little talent on defense.

Exactly why Lebby screwed the pooch bringing in a guy trying to learn on the job how to be a DC when he had little to work with. I saw enough this past season to know that we were both not talented and not well coached. I still cant understand the Hutzler hire from the start other than it being getting your buddy a promotion. There were all kinds of more qualified candidates available that would have jumped at the chance to be an SEC DC. Or even an older guy available like Bob Shoop who has already been a successful DC.

[Coach34]

Because they have no idea how broken the program is and how much it will take to fix it. They believe that one portal pull can undo all the bad. Without the understanding that we live in the biggest basest most expensive conference in the land.

anybody that thinks we are going to fire our AD if we have a losing season in football next season is also delusional

[Coursesuper]

Exactly why Lebby screwed the pooch bringing in a guy trying to learn on the job how to be a DC when he had little to work with. I saw enough this past season to know that we were both not talented and not well coached. I still cant understand the Hutzler hire from the start other than it being getting your buddy a promotion. There were all kinds of more qualified candidates available that would have jumped at the chance to be an SEC DC. Or even an older guy available like Bob Shoop who has already been a successful DC.

We could have dug up Joe Lee and still been awful. It is impossible to cover up for the lack of talent and speed we have with any defensive scheme or coaching on earth. These guys were in a gun fight and the only way they could fight back was to throw rocks.

[Coursesuper]

anybody that thinks we are going to fire our AD if we have a losing season in football next season is also delusional

Better be careful that delusion shit is going around.

[CaptainObvious]

Good thing hindsight doesn't require eye glasses!

So what was average attendance in 2023? 32,000 ish in a 62,000 seat stadium.
Wanna see it drop to 25,000 in 2026? Keep a coaching staff after going 2-10 and 4-8 in back to back seasons in the luxury conference that is the SEC. Want be very long until you have to move into a Discount development!

[maroonmania]

We could have dug up Joe Lee and still been awful. It is impossible to cover up for the lack of talent and speed we have with any defensive scheme or coaching on earth. These guys were in a gun fight and the only way they could fight back was to throw rocks.

If you watched the ASU and Toledo games it was obvious we had more issues on defense than just talent. We had bad game plans and bad schemes in both. Same for the Florida game. If you believe that talent was the ONLY issue we had on defense this year then we will just agree to disagree.

[Coursesuper]

Good thing hindsight doesn't require eye glasses!

So what was average attendance in 2023? 32,000 ish in a 62,000 seat stadium.
Wanna see it drop to 25,000 in 2026? Keep a coaching staff after going 2-10 and 4-8 in back to back seasons in the luxury conference that is the SEC. Want be very long until you have to move into a Discount development!

This is why we can?t have nice things. Not willing to put forth the effort to get where we have to be after the same attitudes 17ed it all up. By god I want it now and if I can?t have 17 y?all I?m going home.

[Coursesuper]

If you watched the ASU and Toledo games it was obvious we had more issues on defense than just talent. We had bad game plans and bad schemes in both. Same for the Florida game. If you believe that talent was the ONLY issue we had on defense this year then we will just agree to disagree.

I did closely, then rewatched to see again, that?s why I am saying what I am. It was blatantly obvious. Was the coaching perfect, no. But it?s impossible to overcome that lack of talent. When nearly every team we lined up against are pushing the front 7 five and six yards off the ball it?s not hard to run any offense you want.

[Coursesuper]

I?m going add this, if so many of you would stop taking what these damn fan media 17ers are selling as the gospel it would help your perception. If you haven?t guessed it my now, they are selling something and yall are buying that bs in bulk. Back away and take a long look at what and why.

[Turfdawg67]

This is why we can?t have nice things. Not willing to put forth the effort to get where we have to be after the same attitudes 17ed it all up. By god I want it now and if I can?t have 17 y?all I?m going home.

Dude... you and a lot of people have been waiting 40-50+ years. We (State fans) have been plenty patient. You're part of the "Wait til next year" crowd that I've been hearing since I was little. All that these ppl are saying is the game has changed and we can literally, and legally, buy ourselves a new team without waiting 3-4 years to build from HS and Juco.

[Johnson85]

I did closely, then rewatched to see again, that?s why I am saying what I am. It was blatantly obvious. Was the coaching perfect, no. But it?s impossible to overcome that lack of talent. When nearly every team we lined up against are pushing the front 7 five and six yards off the ball it?s not hard to run any offense you want.

It's not hard to move the ball when you can push around the front 7, but it's also not hard to generally have people in the vicinity of WRs, even if they aren't athletic enough to actually cover them.

Lack of talent makes everything harder, but not that much harder.

[Coursesuper]

Dude... you and a lot of people have been waiting 40-50+ years. We (State fans) have been plenty patient. You're part of the "Wait til next year" crowd that I've been hearing since I was little. All that these ppl are saying is the game has changed and we can literally, and legally, buy ourselves a new team without waiting 3-4 years to build from HS and Juco.

I didn?t say that, I said this staff itself needs time, this program was a train wreck that isn?t going to get fixed fast. Bitch whine cry and scream at the clouds all you want but the shitshow this staff was left is not getting fixed quickly. They have to show improvement yes, gotta win at least one or two in the league next year and then have to get bowl eligible in 26. But they will get a minimum of three years barring a complete catastrophe in 25.

[Coursesuper]

It's not hard to move the ball when you can push around the front 7, but it's also not hard to generally have people in the vicinity of WRs, even if they aren't athletic enough to actually cover them.

Lack of talent makes everything harder, but not that much harder.

Did you see how much zone we had to play and how much pass rush we had? That should answer your question. 6 to 9 seconds is an eternity to cover someone.

[Quaoarsking]

Until they change the transfer rules, every year going forward is a huge roster turnover.

So if Lebby can't get us to be respectable in 2025, why would we expect him to suddenly do it in 2026? I guess you could argue he's still new and learning how to work the portal and deserves one more crack at it?

The days of multi year buildups are over. Even the elites are reloading their rosters with transfers every offseason. There are no "development" programs anymore. Anyone who can't contribute in some way in 2025 needs to spend 2025 on someone else's roster.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Until they change the transfer rules, every year going forward is a huge roster turnover.

So if Lebby can't get us to be respectable in 2025, why would we expect him to suddenly do it in 2026? I guess you could argue he's still new and learning how to work the portal and deserves one more crack at it?

The days of multi year buildups are over. Even the elites are reloading their rosters with transfers every offseason. There are no "development" programs anymore. Anyone who can't contribute in some way in 2025 needs to spend 2025 on someone else's roster.

Development programs exist. They're at the G5 level. They're developing the players and then they transfer up.

[bulldawg28]

Development programs exist. They're at the G5 level. They're developing the players and then they transfer up.

Lol, exactly.

[msudawg1200]

Development programs exist. They're at the G5 level. They're developing the players and then they transfer up.

Yeah, we're getting plenty of them

[CaptainObvious]

Development programs exist. They're at the G5 level. They're developing the players and then they transfer up.

Exactly! We cannot give coaches 3 complete years of mediocrity and then start over. At the same time, in this environment, you will know darn quick if a guy ain't got it winning 6 games in 2 years with only 1 being a conference win, which is what I'm hearing people saying when they say we need to give Lebby time! At least 3 years! BS! We will know if he is the right guy midway through season 2, not end of season 3. Some of us old guys don't have "life" left to keep hiring learn on the job coordinators to become 6 or 7 win guys in their 4th season. That is ridiculous in the new recruiting environment. You will never get there going 2-10, 4-8, 5-7 and hoping year 4 is a 6 or 7 win season. You know what will likely happen with that philosophy? He will be given a 5th year and then, oops! 4-8 or 3-9 in year 5, but he needs more time. Players are changing teams faster than a newborn gets a diaper change! 3 mediocre years is too long!

[Quaoarsking]

You're going to see a lot of drastic swings year to year going forward in all teams. Indiana and Arizona State could be back to losing records next year. I'll call my shot and say that at least 1 team who had a losing record this year (probably not us, but who knows) will make the playoffs next year. And maybe they'll be back to losing again in 2026.

Everybody in the power conferences is loading up on transfers every year, hoping for the best. Some years you'll hit on a bunch of them and have a great year, and some years you'll be mostly busts. It's just the new reality of college football, maybe a permanent one, maybe not. But there's no such thing as "give a guy time and let him build a program" anymore. If we suck again in 2025 and bring Lebby back for 2026, it's because we wanted to give him another shot at portal roulette, not because he "just needs more time."

[Commercecomet24]

You're going to see a lot of drastic swings year to year going forward in all teams. Indiana and Arizona State could be back to losing records next year. I'll call my shot and say that at least 1 team who had a losing record this year (probably not us, but who knows) will make the playoffs next year. And maybe they'll be back to losing again in 2026.

Everybody in the power conferences is loading up on transfers every year, hoping for the best. Some years you'll hit on a bunch of them and have a great year, and some years you'll be mostly busts. It's just the new reality of college football, maybe a permanent one, maybe not. But there's no such thing as "give a guy time and let him build a program" anymore. If we suck again in 2025 and bring Lebby back for 2026, it's because we wanted to give him another shot at portal roulette, not because he "just needs more time."

This pretty much sums up cfb now. Teams will be different every single year

[TrapGame]

This pretty much sums up cfb now. Teams will be different every single year

I for one like that. I'm glad Alabama is mortal now. I'm glad teams like Arizona State can hit the portal just right and make the playoffs.

[Pancho]

You're going to see a lot of drastic swings year to year going forward in all teams. Indiana and Arizona State could be back to losing records next year. I'll call my shot and say that at least 1 team who had a losing record this year (probably not us, but who knows) will make the playoffs next year. And maybe they'll be back to losing again in 2026.

Everybody in the power conferences is loading up on transfers every year, hoping for the best. Some years you'll hit on a bunch of them and have a great year, and some years you'll be mostly busts. It's just the new reality of college football, maybe a permanent one, maybe not. But there's no such thing as "give a guy time and let him build a program" anymore. If we suck again in 2025 and bring Lebby back for 2026, it's because we wanted to give him another shot at portal roulette, not because he "just needs more time."

post of the year here

[CaptainObvious]

You're going to see a lot of drastic swings year to year going forward in all teams. Indiana and Arizona State could be back to losing records next year. I'll call my shot and say that at least 1 team who had a losing record this year (probably not us, but who knows) will make the playoffs next year. And maybe they'll be back to losing again in 2026.

Everybody in the power conferences is loading up on transfers every year, hoping for the best. Some years you'll hit on a bunch of them and have a great year, and some years you'll be mostly busts. It's just the new reality of college football, maybe a permanent one, maybe not. But there's no such thing as "give a guy time and let him build a program" anymore. If we suck again in 2025 and bring Lebby back for 2026, it's because we wanted to give him another shot at portal roulette, not because he "just needs more time."

Ah yes. Portal Roulette: The $6 million bet on 13 Black!

[DEDawg]

Ah yes. Portal Roulette: The $6 million bet on 13 Black!

I'd be fine having Selmon go down to Philly and putting $10M football NIL on black or red. You win, you have $22M for a football roster which should get you in the playoffs, you lose you have $2M and we just go 2-10 again

[PGHBulldogBG]

I for one like that. I'm glad Alabama is mortal now. I'm glad teams like Arizona State can hit the portal just right and make the playoffs.

They also have a great coach who is at his dream job. They are going to be the big 12 champs for years to come. Dillingham is from Arizona

[bulldawg28]

Sooooo..... back to JA

[DownwardDawg]

Sooooo..... back to JA

I think tomorrow is the big day for us. I know absolutely nothing.

[Homedawg]

Sooooo..... back to JA

I'll stand by I do t expect to get him. It's still up in the air that he visits. But, as svd said earlier things change. And if he shows, I'd certainly up the odds. To call this one strange is accurate. People w good sources all getting different info.

[MBDawg601]

Read on AU board that as of an hour ago he was telling Auburn folks he wouldn't be visiting State.

Sad, because it looks like Aub is wanting to pay him to be Qb2.

They have more money than brains, I'm afraid. Someone said "so we're still paying former coaches millions and now we're going to be paying backup QBs millions of dollars?"

They seem to think they have a QB1 option that is still playing.

[Quaoarsking]

They seem to think they have a QB1 option that is still playing.

Quinn Ewers?

[Dawgface]

Quinn Ewers?

He has another year? Seems like he has been playing forever.

So who do we eventually get to back up Shapen?

[Really Clark?]

Quinn Ewers?

He said he's declaring for the draft

[Brobi-wan]

Guys, I would take the FSU kid at this point just because he hasn’t 17d with us yet. This has turned into a fiasco and I feel like JA is bending Lebby over a barrel and making him like it.

[Quaoarsking]

He said he's declaring for the draft

https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1867297136854884508

[bulldawg28]

Guys, I would take the FSU kid at this point just because he hasn’t 17d with us yet. This has turned into a fiasco and I feel like JA is bending Lebby over a barrel and making him like it.

Agreed, I've been ready to move on from the guy. He's not proven enough to be a headache.

[bulldawg28]

I'll stand by I do t expect to get him. It's still up in the air that he visits. But, as svd said earlier things change. And if he shows, I'd certainly up the odds. To call this one strange is accurate. People w good sources all getting different info.

Let him walk. Maybe we can get MVB back

[Pancho]

quinn has a 4M offer from a big 10 school. Didn't Lebby recruit this FSU portal QB previously?

[KB21]

Yes. Lebby offered him at Oklahoma.

[Really Clark?]

https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1867297136854884508

This came out today.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/news/quinn-ewers-nfl-draft-2025#:~:text=Texas%20Longhorns%20quarterback%20Qui nn%20Ewers%20plans%20to%20declare%20for%20the,repo rt%20from%20Rivals'%20Anwar%20Richardson.

[Todd4State]

Guys, I would take the FSU kid at this point just because he hasn’t 17d with us yet. This has turned into a fiasco and I feel like JA is bending Lebby over a barrel and making him like it.

We can't go into next season with two very inexperienced QB's and an injury prone veteran.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We can't go into next season with two very inexperienced QB's and an injury prone veteran.

Yep. Shapen would need to have the best line in America to stay healthy and we will not be that.

[DEDawg]

Yep. Shapen would need to have the best line in America to stay healthy and we will not be that.

If we save $1.5 M by not getting Arnold, maybe we should try to have the best line

[HoopsDawg]

If we save $1.5 M by not getting Arnold, maybe we should try to have the best line

If we simply can't get Arnold, we need to roll with Shapen as the starter and get a cheap backup. Then overspend on the trenches. I'm talking stupid overspending.

[MBDawg601]

Quinn Ewers?

I think it's Cade Klubnik. That's the only one that makes sense?

[parabrave]

If we save $1.5 M by not getting Arnold, maybe we should try to have the best line

Well it works for the other Dawgs.

[chef dixon]

I think it's Cade Klubnik. That's the only one that makes sense?

Klubnik and Dabo ain't separating

[Bdawg]

You're going to see a lot of drastic swings year to year going forward in all teams. Indiana and Arizona State could be back to losing records next year. I'll call my shot and say that at least 1 team who had a losing record this year (probably not us, but who knows) will make the playoffs next year. And maybe they'll be back to losing again in 2026.

Everybody in the power conferences is loading up on transfers every year, hoping for the best. Some years you'll hit on a bunch of them and have a great year, and some years you'll be mostly busts. It's just the new reality of college football, maybe a permanent one, maybe not. But there's no such thing as "give a guy time and let him build a program" anymore. If we suck again in 2025 and bring Lebby back for 2026, it's because we wanted to give him another shot at portal roulette, not because he "just needs more time."

Dead on buddy!

[MoreCowbell]

Until they change the transfer rules, every year going forward is a huge roster turnover.

So if Lebby can't get us to be respectable in 2025, why would we expect him to suddenly do it in 2026? I guess you could argue he's still new and learning how to work the portal and deserves one more crack at it?

The days of multi year buildups are over. Even the elites are reloading their rosters with transfers every offseason. There are no "development" programs anymore. Anyone who can't contribute in some way in 2025 needs to spend 2025 on someone else's roster.

Because right now his sole purpose needs to be to change the stigma that is Mississippi State football. That IS going to take some time.

[mparkerfd20]

F uck JA. Go get the FSU transfer.

[EdwardDrayton]

Being reported that Arnold has signed with Auburn. I wanted to believe others that he was ours. But I've been a State fan too long.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1867936226449179117

[MetEdDawg]

Makes me feel like we never really had a chance at him and that our folks overinflated everything. He didn't even visit.

You would think he would at least have given us and Lebby a visit if he was truly interested to see what we had to offer.

I would be very interested to know how this went from Lebby very likely has his guy to he never even showed up on campus.

[msstate7]

Makes me feel like we never really had a chance at him and that our folks overinflated everything. He didn't even visit.

You would think he would at least have given us and Lebby a visit if he was truly interested to see what we had to offer.

I would be very interested to know how this went from Lebby very likely has his guy to he never even showed up on campus.

As I said earlier, if a player that isn't from Mississippi has other sec options, we will never be the choice

[parabrave]

So I guess StarkVegas Steves new moniker will be Arnie ala the other Steve being Rosey Rosebowl. Better go get MVB that way when Shapen goes down we will have an experienced backup.

[RisperDawg]

Makes me feel like we never really had a chance at him and that our folks overinflated everything. He didn't even visit.

You would think he would at least have given us and Lebby a visit if he was truly interested to see what we had to offer.

I would be very interested to know how this went from Lebby very likely has his guy to he never even showed up on campus.

Yeah, you would think he would visit at least if the relationships really were that strong. I'm guessing we can't compete with the salvation the Right Reverend was selling though.

[MBDawg601]

Felt this coming as soon as he was confirmed to visit Auburn first, they weren't going to let him leave without signing.

We have got to be more aggressive.

[msstate7]

Felt this coming as soon as he was confirmed to visit Auburn first, they weren't going to let him leave without signing.

We have got to be more aggressive.

Auburn can sell being just a qb away. We can't sell that at all.

[parabrave]

Yeah, you would think he would visit at least if the relationships really were that strong. I'm guessing we can't compete with the salvation the Right Reverend was selling though.

It's called Yella Wood. Well for Freezes sake he must be better than he was at Okie.

[EdwardDrayton]

Yeah, you would think he would visit at least if the relationships really were that strong. I'm guessing we can't compete with the $alvation the Right Reverend was selling though.

^^^

[EdwardDrayton]

As I said earlier, if a player that isn't from Mississippi has other sec options, we will never be the choice

Unfortunately this is true.

[EdwardDrayton]

So I guess StarkVegas Steves new moniker will be Arnie ala the other Steve being Rosey Rosebowl. Better go get MVB that way when Shapen goes down we will have an experienced backup.

Must retain MVB. And I believe Michael can challenge Shapen for the job.

[Dawgface]

Shocking news. Ha.

[basedog]

Must retain MVB. And I believe Michael can challenge Shapen for the job.

Big time!

[MBDawg601]

Auburn can sell being just a qb away. We can't sell that at all.

Yep, unfortunately that is our situation.

I'm not in panic mode. I think Shapen is more than capable, and if we have to roll with him hopefully we spend our resources in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball.

[basedog]

I have been in favor of MVB over Arnold from the beginning, Arnold may be ok but I am glad Shapen is coming back.

[DownwardDawg]

Makes me feel like we never really had a chance at him and that our folks overinflated everything. He didn't even visit.

You would think he would at least have given us and Lebby a visit if he was truly interested to see what we had to offer.

I would be very interested to know how this went from Lebby very likely has his guy to he never even showed up on campus.

Unfortunately you are correct. We never had a chance and were never really in it. We were a backup plan. He didn't respect Lebby enough to even take a visit.

I stated earlier in this thread that I would be shocked if he signs with State. I've been a State fan too long to not already know how these things turn out.

[Cowbell]

Makes me feel like we never really had a chance at him and that our folks overinflated everything. He didn't even visit.

You would think he would at least have given us and Lebby a visit if he was truly interested to see what we had to offer.

I would be very interested to know how this went from Lebby very likely has his guy to he never even showed up on campus.

I tried to tell everyone this was going to happen based on what I was hearing from some really good sources not at state. SVS had some good intel saying we had him so I was hoping our coaches were ahead of this. Turns out they were not and they misled some boosters and others and didn't even have a plan on what to do. They never expected a bidding war. When the tweet came out on Monday that he was expected to come here, that was all a negotiation tactic. Including the article that came out Tuesday discussing him being the perfect fit for us. We were actually being used to drive up the money from Auburn. It's extremely disappointing. I hope our coaching staff learns from this because it is a massive PR blow and we can't stand to have any more of those.

[Cowbell]

Unfortunately you are correct. We never had a chance and were never really in it. We were a backup plan. He didn't respect Lebby enough to even take a visit.

I stated earlier in this thread that I would be shocked if he signs with State. I've been a State fan too long to not already know how these things turn out.

And for some reason 3/4 of this board calls us idiots for being realists. I can remember very few times in the last 25 years where we came out on top in one of these situations.

[Cowbell]

We should have had dak and the jet meet him in Norman before he ever left for the plains.

[MBDawg601]

We should have had dak and the jet meet him in Norman before he ever left for the plains.

Hire this guy!!

[Cowbell]

I have been in favor of MVB over Arnold from the beginning, Arnold may be ok but I am glad Shapen is coming back.

Arnold was more of a potential PR win than anything

[parabrave]

I have been in favor of MVB over Arnold from the beginning, Arnold may be ok but I am glad Shapen is coming back.

Well you know where I stand on MVB. But lebby is going to have to hire a good QB coach who can correctly mould whoever our QB might be into a better QB with a full understanding on how to read a defense and at the same time jack up a lineman who keeps getting him killed/ BTW who are the RBs next year? Wow never ever had to say that before.

[basedog]

The portal is a learning curve for everyone now. As far as Arnold, he has some issues and it ain't about liking one coach or not. I wouldn't pay $1.5 million for him, we will be ok at QB next year. I just wish MVB was back.

[Homedawg]

Arnold was more of a potential PR win than anything

This. This. I said before and I'll say it again. He's just meh to me. BUT the pr would have been big. That's it. For me. For 2 months I've been told shapen would be our qb in 25. I had no reason to doubt my source.

[msstate7]

This. This. I said before and I'll say it again. He's just meh to me. BUT the pr would have been big. That's it. For me. For 2 months I've been told shapen would be our qb in 25. I had no reason to doubt my source.

Spend Arnold money on oline and dline then.

[Homedawg]

Well you know where I stand on MVB. But lebby is going to have to hire a good QB coach who can correctly mould whoever our QB might be into a better QB with a full understanding on how to read a defense and at the same time jack up a lineman who keeps getting him killed/ BTW who are the RBs next year? Wow never ever had to say that before.

Mvb had some issues. Some could be just maturing more. But he's not gonna be here. Just get a qb and roll.

[msstate7]

Mvb had some issues. Some could be just maturing more. But he's not gonna be here. Just get a qb and roll.

With shapen apparently the starter and the future on the bench, I would hope we don't spend big at all on a backup qb

[StarkVegasSteve]

So I guess StarkVegas Steves new moniker will be Arnie ala the other Steve being Rosey Rosebowl. Better go get MVB that way when Shapen goes down we will have an experienced backup.

As I said yesterday, I will just stop sharing stuff. That is a lot easier. Thank you for listening though.

[paverdog]

I just think Shapen is an all-around better QB than MVB. The only thing MVB had was the long pass, but lots of those our receivers made it happen. We need this FSU QB. He is not a 5star for nothing.

[Really Clark?]

So I guess StarkVegas Steves new moniker will be Arnie ala the other Steve being Rosey Rosebowl. Better go get MVB that way when Shapen goes down we will have an experienced backup.

The MVB ship has sailed and he is still overpriced. If he would come back for $500-750,000. Then we could start talking.

[Msujd164]

Like I said last week, certain people here act like insiders. Lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

Like I said last week, certain people here act like insiders. Lol

People get information. It is good info at the time they get it. Just because the info turns out to be incorrect does not mean it is wrong or they lied. Things change in recruiting. But like I said, I will just stop sharing anything so that everyone here can bitch about what Rosebowl and Robbie Faulk have posted, two of the people our coaches hate.

[BankerDog]

You know the problem with this fanbase? Everyone wants the information, etc and when a kid does something different starts bashing said poster who actually has tried to do more behind the scenes then most know. Take Parabrave for example, probably has zero information or connections to program, never contributes, and is now bashing a poster who has really good information and is close personal friends with a family who made a $3MM donation. Some of you guys have absolutely zero idea how this stuff works Behind the scenes and it?s obvious you?ve never been outside of the ?good ole boy network of Mississippi?.

There is a reason we are where we are at. No one pulls same direction and is for the greater good. See Ole Miss. they get it. We ran off our best coach in Mullen because ?we can do better than him? and now look where that got us.

[Homedawg]

As I said yesterday, I will just stop sharing stuff. That is a lot easier. Thank you for listening though.

Man don't do that. You Make the board better. It is annoying when people dog you or don't appreciate what you are bringing. They a Want your source. They a Want a link. I get it. Been there done that. But I get your stance

[BankerDog]

Like I said last week, certain people here act like insiders. Lol

Why do you read message boards then if you know all?

[paverdog]

You know the problem with this fanbase? Everyone wants the information, etc and when a kid does something different starts bashing said poster who actually has tried to do more behind the scenes then most know. Take Parabrave for example, probably has zero information or connections to program, never contributes, and is now bashing a poster who has really good information and is close personal friends with a family who made a $3MM donation. Some of you guys have absolutely zero idea how this stuff works Behind the scenes and it?s obvious you?ve never been outside of the ?good ole boy network of Mississippi?.

There is a reason we are where we are at. No one pulls same direction and is for the greater good. See Ole Miss. they get it. We ran off our best coach in Mullen because ?we can do better than him? and now look where that got us.

So true..

[StarkVegasSteve]

Man don't do that. Make the board better. It is annoying when people dog you or don't appreciate what you are bringing. Want your source. Want a link. I get it. Been there done that. But I get it.

Man it is just easier. They can go pay to join On3 or 247 and lap up what Rosey and the high school sports reporter have to say.

[Homedawg]

Why do you read message boards then if you know all?

Good point

[BankerDog]

Man don't do that. Make the board better. It is annoying when people dog you or don't appreciate what you are bringing. Want your source. Want a link. I get it. Been there done that. But I get it.

Would probably be better off. That way crap doesn?t get back to Steve and Robbie. And SVS is right-we have tried to pulled credentials for Faulk already. Yet we have people who praise that guy.

[Biguglyjoe]

You know the problem with this fanbase? Everyone wants the information, etc and when a kid does something different starts bashing said poster who actually has tried to do more behind the scenes then most know. Take Parabrave for example, probably has zero information or connections to program, never contributes, and is now bashing a poster who has really good information and is close personal friends with a family who made a $3MM donation. Some of you guys have absolutely zero idea how this stuff works Behind the scenes and it?s obvious you?ve never been outside of the ?good ole boy network of Mississippi?.

There is a reason we are where we are at. No one pulls same direction and is for the greater good. See Ole Miss. they get it. We ran off our best coach in Mullen because ?we can do better than him? and now look where that got us.


How did WE run off Mullen? I agree with your post just to be clear. I would like to hear more about this though.

[Homedawg]

Man it is just easier. They can go pay to join On3 or 247 and lap up what Rosey and the high school sports reporter have to say.

I understand. Completely

[Coursesuper]

You know the problem with this fanbase? Everyone wants the information, etc and when a kid does something different starts bashing said poster who actually has tried to do more behind the scenes then most know. Take Parabrave for example, probably has zero information or connections to program, never contributes, and is now bashing a poster who has really good information and is close personal friends with a family who made a $3MM donation. Some of you guys have absolutely zero idea how this stuff works Behind the scenes and it?s obvious you?ve never been outside of the ?good ole boy network of Mississippi?.

There is a reason we are where we are at. No one pulls same direction and is for the greater good. See Ole Miss. they get it. We ran off our best coach in Mullen because ?we can do better than him? and now look where that got us.

Thank you! Been saying this for years.

[Cowbell]

So I guess StarkVegas Steves new moniker will be Arnie ala the other Steve being Rosey Rosebowl. Better go get MVB that way when Shapen goes down we will have an experienced backup.
I was hard on Steve too but I will take up for him - he had good sources unfortunately our coaches didn't have a good plan. He wasn't wrong - the information he had was accurate just from coaches that needed some education on how this works. Charlie should have never had to call and raise money last minute. We should have been ahead of this. I'm not worried that we lost Arnold but I am worried that this staff is in over their head. There were people at OU and at Auburn that knew more than our coaches did well before this happened.

[BankerDog]

How did WE run off Mullen?


?Fire Hevesy.?
?Fire the country club?
?They can?t recruit?
?I?m tired of the Dan Walsh Offense?

[Homedawg]

Would probably be better off. That way crap doesn?t get back to Steve and Robbie. And SVS is right-we have tried to pulled credentials for Faulk already. Yet we have people who praise that guy.

He, RF, is a clown. Period

[Biguglyjoe]

?Fire Hevesy.?
?Fire the country club?
?They can?t recruit?
?I?m tired of the Dan Walsh Offense?
Thanks.

[DEDawg]

Spend Arnold money on oline and dline then.

Yep. At this point create the best team possible and roll with Shapen. If he stays healthy we can win 7-8. If he gets hurt then KT gets some valuable playing time for 2026 season

[bulldawg28]

Mvb had some issues. Some could be just maturing more. But he's not gonna be here. Just get a qb and roll.

Dang it! I wanted MVB badly. The jump he would have made this year would have been HUGE!

[StarkVegasSteve]

I was hard on Steve too but I will take up for him - he had good sources unfortunately our coaches didn't have a good plan. He wasn't wrong - the information he had was accurate just from coaches that needed some education on how this works. Charlie should have never had to call and raise money last minute. We should have been ahead of this. I'm not worried that we lost Arnold but I am worried that this staff is in over their head. There were people at OU and at Auburn that knew more than our coaches did well before this happened.

Our coaching staff made a tactical SEC mistake. They let Hugh Freeze get involved. Simple as that. Costly lesson. However, one QB does not make or break us next year. You can still get to 6 with Shapen, just like could have with Arnold. We still need 2 DL, at least 1 LB, a couple of OL, 2 more WR, and probably another DB or two.

[BankerDog]

He, RF, is a clown. Period

I cannot stand that guy. Or the fact that he, Steve, and Hadad are our media representations. They do not represent how the new money boosters dress or act

[DEDawg]

People get information. It is good info at the time they get it. Just because the info turns out to be incorrect does not mean it is wrong or they lied. Things change in recruiting. But like I said, I will just stop sharing anything so that everyone here can bitch about what Rosebowl and Robbie Faulk have posted, two of the people our coaches hate.
There are really dumb ppl on this board. Don?t let them get to you. You?ve made portal season fun around here

[Cowbell]

People get information. It is good info at the time they get it. Just because the info turns out to be incorrect does not mean it is wrong or they lied. Things change in recruiting. But like I said, I will just stop sharing anything so that everyone here can bitch about what Rosebowl and Robbie Faulk have posted, two of the people our coaches hate.

SVS - this goes both ways. I brought info to the table that was contrary to yours and I wanted dialogue out of it and instead I was bashed by you and others. I was hoping your info stayed true more than man I promise. We need to make this a healthy environment that we can all share info and put the info together. We are all dawgs here man and it's going to take everyone of us to pull out of this S-hole we are in.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He, RF, is a clown. Period

And it really is sad. His dad is EXTREMELY WELL RESPECTED in the Golden Triangle. People think he is like his dad, but he is just a douche. I mean the dude makes 40K a year and you would think he makes 940K a year. He expects people to bow down to him because he has a podcast.

[Homedawg]

I cannot stand that guy. Or the fact that he, Steve, and Hadad are our media representations. They do not represent how the new money boosters dress or act

Steve spent part of the day yesterday getting a new tattoo. He's about out of room.

[DEDawg]

I was hard on Steve too but I will take up for him - he had good sources unfortunately our coaches didn't have a good plan. He wasn't wrong - the information he had was accurate just from coaches that needed some education on how this works. Charlie should have never had to call and raise money last minute. We should have been ahead of this. I'm not worried that we lost Arnold but I am worried that this staff is in over their head. There were people at OU and at Auburn that knew more than our coaches did well before this happened.

I think we need to make Art Briles an official staff in some capacity. He knows how to play the game and I can?t imagine the situation unfolds the same way if he is more involved.

That being said I am shocked Lebby was not prepared for this. He was at Ole Miss under Kiffin I would expect he knows how this game goes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

SVS - this goes both ways. I brought info to the table that was contrary to yours and I wanted dialogue out of it and instead I was bashed by you and others. I was hoping your info stayed true more than man I promise. We need to make this a healthy environment that we can all share info and put the info together. We are all dawgs here man and it's going to take everyone of us to pull out of this S-hole we are in.

Oh there was 9 different dialogues out there. The reason I criticized yours is because it sounded far too much like Robertsons story and I knew from some national people that Robertson was on the outside on a lot of prospects we were on, case and point the WR yesterday. I had actually traded some messages with one of the national guys yesterday and they were still extremely confident he would end up at State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think we need to make Art Briles an official staff in some capacity. He knows how to play the game and I can?t imagine the situation unfolds the same way if he is more involved.

That being said I am shocked Lebby was not prepared for this. He was at Ole Miss under Kiffin I would expect he knows how this game goes.

Freeze was not in the conference when he was at Ole Miss. He has never really recruited against Hugh. Today was a costly lesson for Lebby.

[bulldawg28]

Our coaching staff made a tactical SEC mistake. They let Hugh Freeze get involved. Simple as that. Costly lesson. However, one QB does not make or break us next year. You can still get to 6 with Shapen, just like could have with Arnold. We still need 2 DL, at least 1 LB, a couple of OL, 2 more WR, and probably another DB or two.

Arnold is not that good bro. We dodged a bullet. He's a knockoff Bo Nix

[StarkVegasSteve]

Arnold is not that good bro. We dodged a bullet. He's a knockoff Bo Nix

I do not think he is some savior. He knows the offense inside and out though and would be fully healthy in the Spring. Shapen will not.

[bulldawg28]

I do not think he is some savior. He knows the offense inside and out though and would be fully healthy in the Spring. Shapen will not.

No disrespect, but if he's a true 5 * talent he would shine in any spread offense. He looked average at best with one of the top defenses and an easier schedule than what we had.

[DownwardDawg]

Man don't do that. You Make the board better. It is annoying when people dog you or don't appreciate what you are bringing. They a Want your source. They a Want a link. I get it. Been there done that. But I get your stance

I agree!! Keep posting information SVS!! It's not your fault that the information you were given turned out to be wrong. Shit happens. This board is better because of information and rumors, whether they turn out good or not.

[TrapGame]

No disrespect, but if he's a true 5 * talent he would shine in any spread offense. He looked average at best with one of the top defenses and an easier schedule than what we had.

And this why I want us to get Kromenheok and thrive next season while Hugh is forced to bench Arnold.

I hope midway through the season we are thanking God Almighty we missed on Arnold.

[Cowbell]

Oh there was 9 different dialogues out there. The reason I criticized yours is because it sounded far too much like Robertsons story and I knew from some national people that Robertson was on the outside on a lot of prospects we were on, case and point the WR yesterday. I had actually traded some messages with one of the national guys yesterday and they were still extremely confident he would end up at State.

I can't stand that guy and I would never give him one cent. He should be ashamed for some of the stuff he says against people to make money. Thank goodness his connections left with JC. I don't have the sources you or homedawg have in our locker room but I do have some sweet sources within the league, partly because I business in Oklahoma and Texas and partly because of my family having several SEC starters (past, not now).

[bulldawg28]

And this why I want us to get Kromenheok and thrive next season while Hugh is forced to bench Arnold.

I hope midway through the season we are thanking God Almighty we missed on Arnold.

Auburn will win 7 or 8 games. I don't know if that's enough for their expectations. They have a easy schedule

[TrapGame]

Auburn will win 7 or 8 games. I don't know if that's enough for their expectations. They have a easy schedule

Year three of Freeze and he doesn't make the playoffs?

It might get ugly.

[Coursesuper]

Freezus has to win 8 and beat Bammer, or his ass is in the wind along with all of Rosey?s sources at AU.

[bulldawg28]

Year three of Freeze and he doesn't make the playoffs?

It might get ugly.

He's definitely not making the playoffs regardless of their Qb.

[Cowbell]

He's definitely not making the playoffs regardless of their Qb.

Exactly

[BankerDog]

Dang it! I wanted MVB badly. The jump he would have made this year would have been HUGE!

He was also a 20 year old freshman..

[BankerDog]

Steve spent part of the day yesterday getting a new tattoo. He's about out of room.

Color me shocked. He really thinks he is a cool dude..

[NCDawg]

Arnold is not that good bro. We dodged a bullet. He's a knockoff Bo Nix

Bo Nix turned out pretty good after he left Auburn and went to Oregon. He's now playing in the NFL. The JA situation reminded me of the Cam Newton episode. We were pretty sure we were going to sign Newton after he was sitting on our side at the Ole Miss game and ringing a cowbell. Then, at the last minute, Auburn enters the picture and comes in and signs him. After I heard Auburn was after Arnold, I had my doubts we were gong to sign him despite all the optimistic posting on this board.

[TrapGame]

Bo Nix turned out pretty good after he left Auburn and went to Oregon. He's now playing in the NFL. The JA situation reminded me of the Cam Newton episode. We were pretty sure we were going to sign Newton after he was sitting on our side at the Ole Miss game and ringing a cowbell. Then, at the last minute, Auburn enters the picture and comes in and signs him. After I heard Auburn was after Arnold, I had my doubts we were gong to sign him despite all the optimistic posting on this board.

If Arnold really was truly set with Lebby/NIL and really wanted to be in his offense he would have never gone to AU. He would have been on a jet Monday or Tuesday to Starkville to sign with us. I'm starting to think Arnold and his parents were blowing smoke the entire time.

[EdwardDrayton]

Our staff has put themselves in a very unenviable position now with the QB situation. Hopefully they can rebound and pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[HoopsDawg]

Our staff has put themselves in a very unenviable position now with the QB situation. Hopefully they can rebound and pull a rabbit out of the hat.

I feel like if we had come out with a really strong, best offer out of the gate to Arnold, we would have locked him down and he never would have visited AU. But maybe not.

[bulldawg28]

I feel like if we had come out with a really strong, best offer out of the gate to Arnold, we would have locked him down and he never would have visited AU. But maybe not.

He wanted to go to Auburn

[Cowbell]

If Arnold really was truly set with Lebby/NIL and really wanted to be in his offense he would have never gone to AU. He would have been on a jet Monday or Tuesday to Starkville to sign with us. I'm starting to think Arnold and his parents were blowing smoke the entire time.

It seems as though we were a worst case scenario option when he entered the portal and he wanted to ultimately go to a contender. We were then used as a negotiating tactic so atleast Freeze had to anti up.

[Brobi-wan]

It seems as though we were a worst case scenario option when he entered the portal and he wanted to ultimately go to a contender. We were then used as a negotiating tactic so atleast Freeze had to anti up.

Auburn is not even close to a contender. They are missing a bowl…like us

[BankerDog]

Auburn has a better town than Starkville. A hard truth-Starkville is the worse town in the SEC.

[Coach34]

I feel like if we had come out with a really strong, best offer out of the gate to Arnold, we would have locked him down and he never would have visited AU. But maybe not.

People are going to have to face reality that players are taking less money to go other places. There is no allure to going to school in Starkville, Mississippi and when given a decent other choice- kids take them.

[bulldawg28]

Auburn has a better town than Starkville. A hard truth-Starkville is the worse town in the SEC.

No sir. Tuscaloosa is worse

[bulldawg28]

Auburn has a better town than Starkville. A hard truth-Starkville is the worse town in the SEC.

Nothing in Auburn either.

[DEDawg]

Auburn has a better town than Starkville. A hard truth-Starkville is the worse town in the SEC.

It really isnt close either. Second worse is probably Columbia and gap prob is wider than we would like to think

[DawgFromOxford]

It seems as though we were a worst case scenario option when he entered the portal and he wanted to ultimately go to a contender. We were then used as a negotiating tactic so atleast Freeze had to anti up.

Or hear me out. Lebby really wanted Luke K the entire time and used Arnold as a pawn to keep Auburn and Freeze off the scent. Lebby has been playing chess this whole time***

[BankerDog]

No sir. Tuscaloosa is worse

No it?s not. Not by a long shot. There are more multi millionaires living In Tuscaloosa than in areas surrounding Starkville and Starkville combined. That?s a fact.

[Dawgface]

Or hear me out. Lebby really wanted Luke K the entire time and used Arnold as a pawn to keep Auburn and Freeze off the scent. Lebby has been playing chess this whole time***

Good one!��

[BankerDog]

Nothing in Auburn either.

You?re so far out of reality it isn?t even funny. Auburn is a hour from Atlanta. Starkville isn?t close to anything. Auburn has a 10x bigger town than we do and more restaurants, bars, etc. Also it?s one of the fastest growing cities in Alabama behind Huntsville.

I live and do a lot of work in Tuscaloosa and Auburn. Starkville isn?t attracting the people like Tuscaloosa and Auburn are. Facts.