Jackson Arnold

[basedog]

Looks like he is leaning to MSU. Seems Lebby has the edge over Freeze and Kirby.

Things are gonna be interesting moving forward. Tough decisions.

[BigDawg81]

Everything is lining up like Steve has said on this board

[Young dawg]

Really thought we were going to try and get him last year. Could see him being very successful here. Oklahoma had so many injured receivers and the scheme didn?t seem to help him.

[msstate7]

Lebby has coached both, so I'll defer to him, but I would rather keep MVB

[HoopsDawg]

Where are you seeing this? Would be huge.

[Dawgface]

I’ll believe it when I see it.

[parabrave]

Rather spend the money on Lineman and maybe a QB coach who can develop young QBs. A big ole TE and a Tre Harris wouldn't hurt either.

[Percho]

Rather spend the money on Lineman and maybe a QB coach who can develop young QBs. A big ole TE and a Tre Harris wouldn't hurt either.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/star-oklahoma-wr-nic-anderson-expected-to-transfer-after-injury-plagued-season-01jec8edh4yz

[MBDawg601]

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/star-oklahoma-wr-nic-anderson-expected-to-transfer-after-injury-plagued-season-01jec8edh4yz

We would be crazy not to want that kind of production transferring in. He would be a huge addition.

[Cowbell]

Lebby has coached both, so I'll defer to him, but I would rather keep MVB
I live down the road from where he played HS ball. This kid is absolutely the real deal. He wasn't the #1 QB in Tx for no reason.

[Cowbell]

Rather spend the money on Lineman and maybe a QB coach who can develop young QBs. A big ole TE and a Tre Harris wouldn't hurt either.

It don't do you much good to have an OLine or TE with no QB - MVB is likely gone

[KB21]

Rather spend the money on Lineman and maybe a QB coach who can develop young QBs. A big ole TE and a Tre Harris wouldn't hurt either.

I just don't understand this line of thinking. This is the typical Mississippi State way of thinking. "Let's minimize the QB position."

The QB is the most important position on the field, BY FAR. If we have to spend close to $2 million on BOTH Jackson Arnold and Michael Van Buren, then we are better long term than we are if we try to go cheap at that position because we think we don't have the money to fill out other positions. We have the money. We can sign Jackson Arnold, Nic Anderson, Emeka Megwa, an offensive tackle, a center, and 4-5 defensive linemen with ease.

[msstate7]

I just don't understand this line of thinking. This is the typical Mississippi State way of thinking. "Let's minimize the QB position."

The QB is the most important position on the field, BY FAR. If we have to spend close to $2 million on BOTH Jackson Arnold and Michael Van Buren, then we are better long term than we are if we try to go cheap at that position because we think we don't have the money to fill out other positions. We have the money. We can sign Jackson Arnold, Nic Anderson, Emeka Megwa, an offensive tackle, a center, and 4-5 defensive linemen with ease.

We just signed our guy for the future, so I wouldn't invest in 3 qbs. Good deal for Arnold or MVB, and go get a backup type in case they get hurt. We aren't contending next season, so tying up money on 3 qbs seems a waste.

[Pancho]

KT won't play quality minutes until 27 season.

[msstate7]

KT won't play quality minutes until 27 season.

Regardless. Paying 2 starter type qbs and KT is moronic in our situation.

[msugolf]

We just signed our guy for the future, so I wouldn't invest in 3 qbs. Good deal for Arnold or MVB, and go get a backup type in case they get hurt. We aren't contending next season, so tying up money on 3 qbs seems a waste.

MVB doesnt want to be here. He wants to go to Auburn. He is saying the only way he stays is if we pay him top 3 qb SEC money. Arnold wants to be here, for a cheaper price. And he is the better qb who can bring others with him. Its a no brainer situation tbh

[Really Clark?]

MVB doesnt want to be here. He wants to go to Auburn. He is saying the only way he stays is if we pay him top 3 qb SEC money. Arnold wants to be here, for a cheaper price. And he is the better qb who can bring others with him. Its a no brainer situation tbh

Well MVB is chasing Auburn harder than they are chasing him at this point but all of that talk is just leverage for negotiations. We just don't need to get emotional and think any of this is personal. We still don't know exactly what will happen at the end of the day. So MVB and us don't want to burn bridges either.

[Pancho]

when is mvb expected to put his name in the portal?

[msstate7]

when is mvb expected to put his name in the portal?

No inside info at all, but I would do it after I get turned down asking price by us or when he gets an offer he likes better. I don't think for a second that these guys wait to talk to other schools after entering portal.

[BigDawg81]

A players step father told me last night that MVB wants a lot less that 900K hahaha. He is the only person that has said this to me. Of course, this came from the player.

[Pancho]

he won get 900 K anywhere at this point. maybe 200K

[parabrave]

Can't wait for the day when the NCAA goes the Baseball way of paying players like they did in the draft. Each position is worth so much and with college and it goes up how long you stay with a school/ Of course what the player gets from doing commercials is up to what the business wants to pay since that is using a players Name Image and Likeness to make money..

[Really Clark?]

he won get 900 K anywhere at this point. maybe 200K

MVB?? He will most definitely get more than that. Anywhere.

[MBDawg601]

MVB?? He will most definitely get more than that. Anywhere.

I agree.

True freshman in the SEC, behind OUR line... he played outstanding and deserves top pay, he's going to be a star. He made some mistakes, but he is a true freshman. His deep ball is one of the best in the country, single-handedly kept us in games.

[msudawg1200]

I mean, I get the state of college football today, but isn't this all ridiculous? This isn't NIL. I'd hate to coach in this climate. This bubble has to pop at some point. Right?

[Coursesuper]

I mean, I get the state of college football today, but isn't this all ridiculous? This isn't NIL. I'd hate to coach in this climate. This bubble has to pop at some point. Right?

You?re correct about this is not NIL it is pay for play plain and simple. As for the bubble bursting, as long as there are those that will fund this ridiculous system it will sadly stay in place.

[CaptainObvious]

And those schools who don't have the support and cannot maintain based of Media Income and Revenue Sharing will drop down a level and some will drop down even further. The irony is several years ago certain DII and FCS programs were happy where they were. Now programs like Liberty and Old Dominion and Jax State, and Texas State and UT San Antonio and the Directional Florida schools are better off financially than schools like State even with our SEC Status. The proof is in the actions. Schools with 30,000 seat stadiums are having football success and financial success. Now, they may not be "profitable" but they have support that keeps them afloat!

[DEDawg]

So is this unofficially, official? Account obviously is a nobody but seems to be a lot of smoke.

https://x.com/jwindawg/status/1865269269765779967?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

[TrapGame]

So is this unofficially, official? Account obviously is a nobody but seems to be a lot of smoke.

https://x.com/jwindawg/status/1865269269765779967?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

Hit the link to the Chronicle.

You'll see it's bullshit.

[Coach34]

he won get 900 K anywhere at this point. maybe 200K

MVB will get 700K at least if he gets in the portal

[KB21]

Just remember that football is a QB driven game.

[Brobi-wan]

Just remember that football is a QB driven game.

I agree, but I think Arnold is better for less money. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think so. There are key things that MVB lacks. Sure, they’ll come with time, but if you pay him 900K you should KNOW he’s your starter. It shouldn’t be a competition going into 2025. We need an OLine

[Todd4State]

I agree, but I think Arnold is better for less money. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think so. There are key things that MVB lacks. Sure, they’ll come with time, but if you pay him 900K you should KNOW he’s your starter. It shouldn’t be a competition going into 2025. We need an OLine

I would definitely take Arnold over MVB right now. That's a no brainer. Plus I think Taylor takes over for MVB at some point as well- probably 2026 or 2027.

[Coach34]

And Chris Parson was going to be the next great State QB.
Before that- Braedyn Locke was going to be the next great State QB

Making long term statements in today's college football is a waste of time. 1/3 or more of every team's roster is going to change every season. Not to mention should we develop of top QB- they will just be taken from us by Georgia, Bama, Fla, Oregon, Ohio State, etc....

[Cowbell]

a players step father told me last night that MVB wants a lot less that 900K hahaha. He is the only person that has said this to me. Of course, this came from a player.

Man I would not put names on this board - nothing good comes from that.. "a players father told me" is plenty

[Op4isabitch]

I don’t believe for one single second that Arnold will be cheaper than VanBuren. Not saying we don’t pursue him but his price will be higher.

[Really Clark?]

I don’t believe for one single second that Arnold will be cheaper than VanBuren. Not saying we don’t pursue him but his price will be higher.

Well...a lot of that has more to do with MVB's asking price.

[Coach34]

I don’t believe for one single second that Arnold will be cheaper than VanBuren. Not saying we don’t pursue him but his price will be higher.

agreed. It's going to take a million or more to get Arnold.

[Really Clark?]

agreed. It's going to take a million or more to get Arnold.

I don't what the end number will and how big of a gap between them will fall. But when it started MVB was higher than Arnold. By not just a few dollars either.

[mo7888]

I would definitely take Arnold over MVB right now. That's a no brainer. Plus I think Taylor takes over for MVB at some point as well- probably 2026 or 2027.

Without a second thought..

[Dawgology]

I just don't understand this line of thinking. This is the typical Mississippi State way of thinking. "Let's minimize the QB position."

The QB is the most important position on the field, BY FAR. If we have to spend close to $2 million on BOTH Jackson Arnold and Michael Van Buren, then we are better long term than we are if we try to go cheap at that position because we think we don't have the money to fill out other positions. We have the money. We can sign Jackson Arnold, Nic Anderson, Emeka Megwa, an offensive tackle, a center, and 4-5 defensive linemen with ease.
This. If you have to drop $3 mil for a stacked QB room you do it. Same for WR. Same for CB. Right behind those is DE and LB.

[msstate7]

Maybe Arnold is better than MVB, but the stats don't really back it up...

Passer rating - MVB slight edge
QBR - MVB big edge
Td% - Arnold slight edge
Int% - Arnold big edge
Yds/att - mVB big edge
Comp % - Arnold edge

[Santiago]

Are we keeping our good WRs?

[Really Clark?]

Maybe Arnold is better than MVB, but the stats don't really back it up...

Passer rating - MVB slight edge
QBR - MVB big edge
Td% - Arnold slight edge
Int% - Arnold big edge
Yds/att - mVB big edge
Comp % - Arnold edge

I do think having their Top 4 WR's out and firing the OC midseason hurt Arnold's numbers a little too.

[Todd4State]

Maybe Arnold is better than MVB, but the stats don't really back it up...

Passer rating - MVB slight edge
QBR - MVB big edge
Td% - Arnold slight edge
Int% - Arnold big edge
Yds/att - mVB big edge
Comp % - Arnold edge

Delay of game penalties- Arnold BIG edge

[msstate7]

Delay of game penalties- Arnold BIG edge

lol.

As I said to start in the thread, I trust Lebby on this since he's coached both. I just think based on what we saw this year, I'd prefer MVB if money is equal.

[Todd4State]

lol.

As I said to start in the thread, I trust Lebby on this since he's coached both. I just think based on what we saw this year, I'd prefer MVB if money is equal.

I think Arnold was hurt by Littrell and his top receivers being hurt.

I'm afraid MVB will have a case of the sophomores. Thinking too much and trying to do too much.

Getting Arnold may help with perception which MSU royally fails at in football too often. Right or wrong.

[msstate7]

I think Arnold was hurt by Littrell and his top receivers being hurt.

I'm afraid MVB will have a case of the sophomores. Thinking too much and trying to do too much.

Getting Arnold may help with perception which MSU royally fails at in football too often. Right or wrong.

Could all be true. I'll be happy with either

[MBDawg601]

I think getting Arnold could lead to some talent coming with him, that normally we would have no shot at landing.

Really hard to say which would be better or worth more at this point.

[civildawg]

Agreed. The perception with Arnold could bring in more guys

[MBDawg601]

Agreed. The perception with Arnold could bring in more guys

It's crazy how far we have come though. We have a shot at former #1 QB out of Texas. When has that ever happened? We're lucky to get the #1 QB out of MS.

[Todd4State]

It's crazy how far we have come though. We have a shot at former #1 QB out of Texas. When has that ever happened? We're lucky to get the #1 QB out of MS.

I actually think the portal and NIL can help MSU. We just never have had people in administration that embraced it until now.

[Turfdawg67]

It's crazy how far we have come though. We have a shot at former #1 QB out of Texas. When has that ever happened? We're lucky to get the #1 QB out of MS.

We were in on some stud QBs last year too, but they chose other schools. I hope this one works out! Would be huge...

[Todd4State]

We were in on some stud QBs last year too, but they chose other schools. I hope this one works out! Would be huge...

Yeah. It's all wait and see until they enroll.

Lebby is basically putting all of his chips in on the portal. We'll see if he wins big or craps out.

[MBDawg601]

Yeah. It's all wait and see until they enroll.

Lebby is basically putting all of his chips in on the portal. We'll see if he wins big or craps out.

Why not us next year??? We could be ASU!!!

[maroonmania]

This. If you have to drop $3 mil for a stacked QB room you do it. Same for WR. Same for CB. Right behind those is DE and LB.

The 3 most important positions to pay are:

1. QB
2. Those that rush the QB
3. Those that protect the QB

We are actually hurting the most with groups 2 & 3.

[msstate7]

We were in on some stud QBs last year too, but they chose other schools. I hope this one works out! Would be huge...

Recruits love to flirt with us to make their real desire want em it seems

[Todd4State]

Why not us next year??? We could be ASU!!!

We could be. No reason we can't. Unless we screw it up. Which MSU football is legendary for.

[parabrave]

The 3 most important positions to pay are:

1. QB
2. Those that rush the QB
3. Those that protect the QB

We are actually hurting the most with groups 2 & 3.

Well for UGA it goes 3, 2 1 and 1a being a RB.

[Todd4State]

The 3 most important positions to pay are:

1. QB
2. Those that rush the QB
3. Those that protect the QB

We are actually hurting the most with groups 2 & 3.

Yep. And 4 and 5 are probably CB's and WR's. Also goes back to stopping the other QB and catching passes from the QB.

[MBDawg601]

We could be. No reason we can't. Unless we screw it up. Which MSU football is legendary for.

Well, the only promising thing is.. we can't get any worse. HAILSTATE

[Turfdawg67]

We were in on some stud QBs last year too, but they chose other schools. I hope this one works out! Would be huge...

I suppose Dillon Gabriel made the right choice.

[MBDawg601]

I suppose Dillon Gabriel made the right choice.

Best business decision of his life.

[parabrave]

I suppose Dillon Gabriel made the right choice.

Well he saw what Ore did for Bo Nix.

[MBDawg601]

Had Bo stayed at AUB he would be working at Buckeys selling BBQ sandwhiches today.

[Dawgface]

Why not us next year??? We could be ASU!!!

ASU would have been a 6 or 7 win team with our schedule. But I get your point.

[BeardoMSU]

Had Bo stayed at AUB he would be working at Buckeys selling BBQ sandwhiches today.

Apropos **


https://youtu.be/igG4OrblTeQ?si=Uj_ZRxhHnMa07hWB

[parabrave]

Had Bo stayed at AUB he would be working at Buckeys selling BBQ sandwhiches today.

Or being WRs asst coach at Brandon/

[preachermatt83]

I just don’t get some of you guys. This kid is insanely talented and will be our best shot. Mvb will be great. In 2026.

[MBDawg601]

ASU would have been a 6 or 7 win team with our schedule. But I get your point.

Absolutely true.

Glad you got it though. Would be insane to do what they did this year, in the SEC.

[MBDawg601]

Apropos **


https://youtu.be/igG4OrblTeQ?si=Uj_ZRxhHnMa07hWB

Golden. Thank you for posting that.

[KB21]

Arnold had a 142.7 passer rating with Lebby calling plays during his freshman season. That fell to 124.8 with Seth Littrell/Jo John Finley calling plays. He completed almost 64% of his passes for 8.2 yards per attempts with Lebby calling plays. His completion percentage dropped one point to 63% under Littrell/Finley, but his yards per attempts dropped to 5.8.

[msstate7]

Arnold had a 142.7 passer rating with Lebby calling plays during his freshman season. That fell to 124.8 with Seth Littrell/Jo John Finley calling plays. He completed almost 64% of his passes for 8.2 yards per attempts with Lebby calling plays. His completion percentage dropped one point to 63% under Littrell/Finley, but his yards per attempts dropped to 5.8.

Most of that was mop up duty vs ark state and Tulsa where Oklahoma won 133 -17 combined. He posted 217.1 and 248.0 ratings in those games. He played in 2 contested games - byu and Arizona (bowl). He put up 86.4 and 126.5 ratings in those. Really the only game to take from his freshman season was the Arizona game bc he started...

Vs Arizona:
25/46 (.578) 361 yds (8.0 per att) 2 td 3 int
126.5 passer rating
11 rush 38 yds

Some good and some bad in that start. Arizona was #50 in the country in total defense. For reference, MVB has had to face 2 top 5 defenses, #17, #23, and 4 teams outside the top 50.

ETA... I feel like I'm coming across as anti-Arnold, and I'm not. I just reject the idea that he's some huge upgrade over MVB, who I really like. I do understand finances play a huge part though, so I'm fine with the one that makes the most financial sense bc they seem pretty similar to me.

[KB21]

Lebby wasn?t the play caller in their bowl game.

[KB21]

Also, long term, a I don?t necessarily believe that Arnold is better than Van Buren. However, Arnold ran the Briles system in high school. He went to Oklahoma because of Jeff Lebby, similar to why Van Buren is at Mississippi State. Arnold is better right now in the quick passing game. I?d give Van Buren the edge at creating explosive plays.

We left points on the field because our quick passing game wasn?t very good. Jeff wants to get back to running the extreme tempo he typically runs his offense with. Does he feel Van Buren will be able to play at the tempo he wants AND improve in the quick game?

[Coursesuper]

Arnold can run the entire offense tomorrow if we can get him. MVB can not it?s that simple. With Arnold the defense has to account for all 11 players in the run game, with MVB not being a real part of that. It?s a no brainer to try to bring him here from OU.

[TrapGame]

Arnold can run the entire offense tomorrow if we can get him. MVB can not it?s that simple. With Arnold the defense has to account for all 11 players in the run game, with MVB not being a real part of that. It?s a no brainer to try to bring him here from OU.

Jackson Arnold > Michael Van Buren. And when you throw in Arnold is probably bringing three or four OK players with him it really is a no brainer.

[DownwardDawg]

Arnold can run the entire offense tomorrow if we can get him. MVB can not it?s that simple. With Arnold the defense has to account for all 11 players in the run game, with MVB not being a real part of that. It?s a no brainer to try to bring him here from OU.

It's an absolute no brainer.

[Homedawg]

I just don’t get some of you guys. This kid is insanely talented and will be our best shot. Mvb will be great. In 2026.

Under your scenario, mvb wouldn't be here.

[paverdog]

With Arnold the offence can run full steam to its max. That alone can be a huge difference in winning games. I am hearing he wants to be here.

[Pancho]

Comparing deep balls. does arnold drop the ball on the receiver? mvb always makes the receiver have to slow down and wait on the ball. happened numerous times in the egg bowl

[DEDawg]

Comparing deep balls. does arnold drop the ball on the receiver? mvb always makes the receiver have to slow down and wait on the ball. happened numerous times in the egg bowl

JA makes every throw as well or better than MVB. Reason he was the #1 overall 5 star QB in Texas. He has every throw in the book, just needs to translate it to the field and slow the game down

[StarkVegasSteve]

JA makes every throw as well or better than MVB. Reason he was the #1 overall 5 star QB in Texas. He has every throw in the book, just needs to translate it to the field and slow the game down

He also needs a receiving corps that is not all injured. He will be good here and he is bringing a few receivers with him.

[Quaoarsking]

Jackson Arnold > Michael Van Buren. And when you throw in Arnold is probably bringing three or four OK players with him it really is a no brainer.

Is this true? Are these extra players good?

[Chuck3124]

He also needs a receiving corps that is not all injured. He will be good here and he is bringing a few receivers with him.

What are the odds you?d put on it that State lands Jackson Arnold?

[TrapGame]

Is this true? Are these extra players good?

One is supposed to be Nic Anderson. So, yeah.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What are the odds you?d put on it that State lands Jackson Arnold?

95%. I never rule out something weird happening but my sources have been pretty damn consistent with everything since that Tennessee game he was benched.

[HancockCountyDog]

95% wow.

[SPMT]

95%. I never rule out something weird happening but my sources have been pretty damn consistent with everything since that Tennessee game he was benched.

He?s our Dart. 9-3 next year.

With this wild DT coming in?

[msstate7]

He?s our Dart. 9-3 next year.

With this wild DT coming in?

Who is OM getting at qb?

[Coursesuper]

Who is OM getting at qb?

They have their guy on campus. Simmons, left handed who has looked really good in limited snaps.

[bulldawg28]

He?s our Dart. 9-3 next year.

With this wild DT coming in?

The key is the enforcer DT!

[SPMT]

Who is OM getting at qb?

Not sure. But we need to do whatever it takes to get Arnold if he?s willing to come here.

Unless coaches know something we don?t, he will be a game changer. A legit 5 star QB that we have never had.

[Cowbell]

I feel like everybody getting their hopes up....and that works out about 10% of the time here...

[parabrave]

I feel like everybody getting their hopes up....and that works out about 10% of the time here...

Bingo. I remember the last hotshot QB to come here. He threw 6 TDs his 1st game then other coaches remembered Air Raid and we found out the rest of the season. Glad Mullen didn't listen when some on the boards wanted to start Williams over Dak. And wasn't MVB a top ESPN recruit?? It's been 2 years since HS so you can throw that 5 star crap out the window.

[msstate7]

If Arnold wants to be here, then commit tomorrow. If he doesn't, I don't expect him

[DownwardDawg]

I feel like everybody getting their hopes up....and that works out about 10% of the time here...

10% seems really high to me. Lol

[Cowbell]

10% seems really high to me. Lol

Touche

[Cowbell]

If Arnold wants to be here, then commit tomorrow. If he doesn't, I don't expect him

Because of the excitement here, I'm gonna join your camp. I ain't setting myself up for this disappointment.

[Todd4State]

If Arnold wants to be here, then commit tomorrow. If he doesn't, I don't expect him

Their season isn't over. But as soon as it is hopefully he commits ASAP.

[msstate7]

Their season isn't over. But as soon as it is hopefully he commits ASAP.

Haha, good point

[Jarius]

95%. I never rule out something weird happening but my sources have been pretty damn consistent with everything since that Tennessee game he was benched.

Are you hearing that he is bringing a DL with him?

[Coursesuper]

If Arnold wants to be here, then commit tomorrow. If he doesn't, I don't expect him

There are no absolutes in any of this and this way of thinking just doesn?t make sense to me. They are still playing and I?m sure there are many factors in play before this one is over.

[Todd4State]

Haha, good point

I get your point though. If it drags out he is obviously looking around and just using us as a place holder.

I'm sure we have some other options if that happens including paying MVB among others.

[msstate7]

There are no absolutes in any of this and this way of thinking just doesn?t make sense to me. They are still playing and I?m sure there are many factors in play before this one is over.

I wasn't thinking of him still having a game. Just change tomorrow's date to when that game is over. If he delays, I don't expect him... we never seem to win contested recruitments

[msudawg1200]

Arnold isn't coming here, nor is he bringing 3 or 4 receivers. I used to read all this stuff and start get excitied then poof. We hear crap like this every year and none of it ever happens. We'll get our Sun Belt and CUSA transfers and like it. Not being negative just a realist.

[Coursesuper]

I wasn't thinking of him still having a game. Just change tomorrow's date to when that game is over. If he delays, I don't expect him... we never seem to win contested recruitments

I get it, I?m glad we are in it, we have a coach he likes and we have $$$ to spend and to be able to shore up the spots around him. Now we wait.

[msstate7]

Arnold isn't coming here, nor is he bringing 3 or 4 receivers. I used to read all this stuff and start get excitied then poof. We hear crap like this every year and none of it ever happens. We'll get our Sun Belt and CUSA transfers and like it. Not being negative just a realist.

Yeah, the bringing guys with him seems far fetched.:::


Arnold - Hey guys, I know this has been a tough season, but let's all go to MISSISSIPPi STATE since OKLAHOMA isn't working out. Haha

[Quaoarsking]

Are yall saying that Arnold isn't going to announce a destination until after Oklahoma's bowl game? That sounds very unlikely.

[Really Clark?]

Arnold is already in the portal.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, the bringing guys with him seems far fetched.:::


Arnold - Hey guys, I know this has been a tough season, but let's all go to MISSISSIPPi STATE since OKLAHOMA isn't working out. Haha

It seems like players are becoming more and more tied to coaches. And fit within a system should absolutely be a consideration. I would also imagine a lot of these players if they have been with a blueblood have "been there done that" syndrome and things like that probably matter a little less once they are looking at things.

[Todd4State]

Are yall saying that Arnold isn't going to announce a destination until after Oklahoma's bowl game? That sounds very unlikely.

I figured he would want to focus on their last game and then take visits etc. That doesn't seem too crazy to me.

[msstate7]

It seems like players are becoming more and more tied to coaches. And fit within a system should absolutely be a consideration. I would also imagine a lot of these players if they have been with a blueblood have "been there done that" syndrome and things like that probably matter a little less once they are looking at things.

I think good players wanna play for good team when possible. Perfect example is last year when we got our hopes up about Gabriel

[SPMT]

I wasn't thinking of him still having a game. Just change tomorrow's date to when that game is over. If he delays, I don't expect him... we never seem to win contested recruitments

I?m not getting my hopes up that?s for aure

[BigDawg81]

This is sounding like Dillion Gabriel all over again. I hope that I?m wrong cause I want Jackson Arnold to come to State

[Cowbell]

Their season isn't over. But as soon as it is hopefully he commits ASAP.

Todd - it doesn't work like that - He is already in the portal - he's done at OU unless he pulls his name out.

[Cowbell]

Arnold is already in the portal.
I don't know what these guys are thinking.

[Todd4State]

Todd - it doesn't work like that - He is already in the portal - he's done at OU unless he pulls his name out.

Good then we can figure this out sooner than later.

[bigbub50]

Technically, no one is allowed to be in the portal til tomorrow unless if they lost their coach. You can come out publicly and say you intend to enter the portal and that’s what it appears that Arnold and some of our players have done. Assuming Arnold’s report of entering the portal is genuine and he hasn’t changed his mind, there is squat chance he plays in the bowl game and his locker has been cleaned out.

Tomorrow is when the action starts. Some players have legitimately entered the portal like kennesaw state, central Fla, Purdue, etc cause they lost their coach. All these other reports are that the player intends to enter the portal when it opens.

[bigbub50]

And also, it is illegal to contact these players until they officially are in the portal, though we know this is broken all the time.

[Cowbell]

Technically, no one is allowed to be in the portal til tomorrow unless if they lost their coach. You can come out publicly and say you intend to enter the portal and that?s what it appears that Arnold and some of our players have done. Assuming Arnold?s report of entering the portal is genuine and he hasn?t changed his mind, there is squat chance he plays in the bowl game and his locker has been cleaned out.

Tomorrow is when the action starts. Some players have legitimately entered the portal like kennesaw state, central Fla, Purdue, etc cause they lost their coach. All these other reports are that the player intends to enter the portal when it opens.

This is correct.

[Coach34]

Bottom line is this:

Arnold and MVB wont both be here next year. It will be one or the other. If it's going to be Arnold- it better get locked down pretty quickly or we could find ourselves with neither one. Both are going to get somewhere in the neighborhood of $1MM from their next team

[HoopsDawg]

Bottom line is this:

Arnold and MVB wont both be here next year. It will be one or the other. If it's going to be Arnold- it better get locked down pretty quickly or we could find ourselves with neither one. Both are going to get somewhere is the neighborhood of $1MM from their next team

Yep. Can't lose both.

[SPMT]

Yep. Can't lose both.


Most importantly.

That would be a disaster

[chef dixon]

I'm willing to get excited based on potential, but let's be real... Arnold has been a bust to this point.

I'll trust Lebby will do what he thinks is best

[Bothrops]

I'm willing to get excited based on potential, but let's be real... Arnold has been a bust to this point.

I'll trust Lebby will do what he thinks is best

He has?

[mckeen]

He?s not that great. No reason to get that anxious about it

[Cowbell]

He?s not that great. No reason to get that anxious about it

Exactly. But his potential is through the roof.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Exactly. But his potential is through the roof.

Give him a healthy receiving corps and Seth Littrell not trying to turn him into a QB he's not, and he can ball out.

Same thing with Fifita at Zona. Brent Brennan tried to make him something he's not.

[civildawg]

And moorehead with fitz

[LebbroDog]

He?s not that great. No reason to get that anxious about it

I believe that this is one of the major problems with the MSU fanbase. The hesitation to pick up a top 10 5* QB because the true freshman QB currently on campus had a couple of good games and has been anointed a 4 year starter by some.

Those days are over. And if you are willing to not take a chance on blue chip talent, then why are we even fielding a team at this point?

[tcdog70]

lol.

As I said to start in the thread, I trust Lebby on this since he's coached both. I just think based on what we saw this year, I'd prefer MVB if money is equal.

How about turning you back at the goal line and tip toeing --that be MVB or sliding way short of the first down--or holding the ball like a loaf of bread.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How about turning you back at the goal line and tip toeing --that be MVB or sliding way short of the first down--or holding the ball like a loaf of bread.

The ball security is my biggest thing. I don't really know how to get that habit out of a QB. Pocket presence, or lack thereof, is a close second. Like the sliding thing I can understand because he's probably never had to slide until college. And I get the inability to read a defense, that can come with time. But the ball security thing is a bad habit that is REALLY tough to break. Especially for him because he reverts back to it any time there is pressure. And this is the SEC, clean pockets don't exist.

[HancockCountyDog]

Neither QB is perfect, but I think Arnold fits what Lebby wants to do. MVB is not an inside the box running QB. He is an elusive runner, but not a 3rd and 2, let's pull a guard and get it with QB legs. Arnold does that.

I think Arnold give us the best chance to be the offense that Lebby wants. Now, I could see MVB going to Maryland or a lesser conference and balling out and people thinking we made a mistake, so I get the hesitation some have of just letting MVB walk.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Neither QB is perfect, but I think Arnold fits what Lebby wants to do. MVB is not an inside the box running QB. He is an elusive runner, but not a 3rd and 2, let's pull a guard and get it with QB legs. Arnold does that.

I think Arnold give us the best chance to be the offense that Lebby wants. Now, I could see MVB going to Maryland or a lesser conference and balling out and people thinking we made a mistake, so I get the hesitation some have of just letting MVB walk.

Just from what I have heard in the past week, and this is not sourced as well as the Arnold stuff, Van Buren and his camp want an increased NIL deal (rumored to be between 750-950) and a guaranteed starting spot. Like no competition. Which, if he had showed more consistency I would have no problem giving him. The other issue is that if you give him that, you're saddling yourself to him for the year. Think DJU at Clemson. This is exactly what they did.

[DEDawg]

Just from what I have heard in the past week, and this is not sourced as well as the Arnold stuff, Van Buren and his camp want an increased NIL deal (rumored to be between 750-950) and a guaranteed starting spot. Like no competition. Which, if he had showed more consistency I would have no problem giving him. The other issue is that if you give him that, you're saddling yourself to him for the year. Think DJU at Clemson. This is exactly what they did.

I don't think we are in the position to offer anyone a guaranteed starting spot coming off of 2-10. That being said, when do we expect JA to finalize his decision? If we need to pay MVB 750k and name him the starter, we need to do that if JA goes somewhere else. Worst case he drags it out weeks and MVB moves on and we run it back with Shapen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think we are in the position to offer anyone a guaranteed starting spot coming off of 2-10. That being said, when do we expect JA to finalize his decision? If we need to pay MVB 750k and name him the starter, we need to do that if JA goes somewhere else. Worst case he drags it out weeks and MVB moves on and we run it back with Shapen.

I would expect it's pretty quick. His camp wants him in a system and ready to go when offseason workouts begin in January. We've got everything lined up from living arrangements for him, car, etc. I would expect we will know something by Saturday at the latest. More info as I get it.

[Matt3467]

I would almost rather play Kamario next year than give MVB 1mil and guarantee him the starter. Put that money towards getting better talent elsewhere. The audacity to be guaranteed the starter after going 2-10 and not willing to compete for the spot is what bothers me the most. MVB was decent as a freshman but not so good as to give in to all his demands.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would almost rather play Kamario next year than give MVB 1mil and guarantee him the starter. Put that money towards getting better talent elsewhere. The audacity to be guaranteed the starter after going 2-10 and not willing to compete for the spot is what bothers me the most. MVB was decent as a freshman but not so good as to give in to all his demands.

I mean I don't blame the kid. He got a taste of starting and doesn't want to give that up.

[Dawgface]

Will probably lose both and roll with Shapen and Kamario. And will sign some lesser know qb for depth. Not being negative but Arnold will probably land with a bigger name school. Not the absolute worst case scenario as the money saved can be used elsewhere as Matt3467 suggests.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Will probably lose both and roll with Shapen and Kamario. And will sign some lesser know qb for depth. Not being negative but Arnold will probably land with a bigger name school. Not the absolute worst case scenario as the money saved can be used elsewhere as Matt3467 suggests.

Shapen is not starting for us next year. They have told Shapen that. It's Arnold or we'll overpay for Van Buren. I personally would rather let him walk and go after someone else. But Van Buren is also a Lebby guy.

[StateDawg44]

Will probably lose both and roll with Shapen and Kamario. And will sign some lesser know qb for depth. Not being negative but Arnold will probably land with a bigger name school. Not the absolute worst case scenario as the money saved can be used elsewhere as Matt3467 suggests.

This is all certainly a real possibility. But then I have even less faith they will do what they need with the "saved" money to fix any of the other deficiencies

[HancockCountyDog]

Shapen is not starting for us next year. They have told Shapen that. It's Arnold or we'll overpay for Van Buren. I personally would rather let him walk and go after someone else. But Van Buren is also a Lebby guy.

I'm interested in what Shapen does next year. It seems like if he wants to stay on the field he needs to transfer, but I'm not sure where he can go to be honest.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm interested in what Shapen does next year. It seems like if he wants to stay on the field he needs to transfer, but I'm not sure where he can go to be honest.

He'll have to drop down to G5. No P4 program is willing to take that kind of risk with his injury history, even more so now with a shoulder injury. My guess, he stays and is our backup insurance. He'll get into coaching after the season and become a GA. A lot of our GAs were really impressed with his willingness to assist them and do some of the stuff they were doing after he got injured.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pete Nakos of On3 just predicted Arnold to State.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1866176258175889770?t=_3YeqKRLYSr7kDr0xI0eMA&s=19

[Dawgface]

Pete Nakos of On3 just predicted Arnold to State.

Well that will be good. I guess we will see MVB name hit the portal soon.

[preachermatt83]

MVB is going to be a very very good qb. Like really good. But he was always gonna be in a battle with Kam Taylor anyway. Cause Taylor has the potential to be the best we?ve ever had. So bring in Arnold. Hope mvb stays and competes but if he don?t then so be it. He was one day gonna really have to fight not to lose his job to Taylor. We just need a one year bridge to Taylor. I think that?s always been the plan

[Todd4State]

Pete Nakos of On3 just predicted Arnold to State.

Sources looking good so far. Hopefully this gets done soon.

[Coach34]

MVB is going to be a very very good qb. Like really good. But he was always gonna be in a battle with Kam Taylor anyway. Cause Taylor has the potential to be the best we?ve ever had. So bring in Arnold. Hope mvb stays and competes but if he don?t then so be it. He was one day gonna really have to fight not to lose his job to Taylor. We just need a one year bridge to Taylor. I think that?s always been the plan

almost zero chance MVB stays if Arnold comes. MVB is already getting contacted by other schools.

[Cowbell]

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1866176258175889770?t=_3YeqKRLYSr7kDr0xI0eMA&s=19

Just gonna remind everyone that the media is used to enhance the negotiation process. No reason to put this out there otherwise....please note the tiny 50% confidence in the bottom left corner.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just gonna remind everyone that the media is used to enhance the negotiation process. No reason to put this out there otherwise....please note the tiny 50% confidence in the bottom left corner.

The big guys don't ever go 100% on anything because they know if something happens last second to change things, they'll be trolled to oblivion by Dawgfan5342356 with an egg profile pic or FreezeTakeover7573423 with an eagle profile pic.

However, they don't say something just to say it. There not just throwing a prediction out there. When these national guys tweet this stuff out, that's generally where the kid ends up.

[HancockCountyDog]

Some are saying that Craver is going to leave with MVB if he leaves - I call bullshit. Has anyone heard anything similar?

[Goldendawg]

What bothers me about MVB is that he may well break some of our WR's ankles trying to throw the slant.**** Seriously great touch on the long ball which has been exciting to watch, but if he stays needs to improve touch on short and intermediate routes, pocket presence & quit carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. Only completed a little over 54% of passes , but thrown to the wolves as a FR with a very disappointing portal line except for Reese.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Some are saying that Craver is going to leave with MVB if he leaves - I call bullshit. Has anyone heard anything similar?

Opposite. We should be safe with Craver. Everything got worked out last week accd. to the folks I spoke with. They said Coleman and Craver are locked up. I knew Coleman was. I was 50/50, and tbh still kind of am, on Craver. It won't be the end of the world if we lose Craver. Craver is a really good player and has a chance to be great, but he's got some maturing to do. Hopefully he does that growing up here

[KB21]

What bothers me about MVB is that he may well break some of our WR's ankles trying to throw the slant.**** Seriously great touch on the long ball which has been exciting to watch, but if he stays needs to improve touch on short and intermediate routes, pocket presence & quit carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. Only completed a little over 54% of passes , but thrown to the wolves as a FR with a very disappointing portal line except for Reese.

The line was disappointing overall, but it's hard to replace all 5 starters from the previous season. It's even harder when four of them have been brought in from outside. Reese was good this season, but he looked even better at RG over the last two games. Ethan Miner was really good. He was the 3rd highest graded center in the SEC according to PFF. Everyone else had their issues, whether in run blocking or pass blocking. However, a lot of the pass pro issues are the result of the pocket presence of the QB.

[msstate7]

What bothers me about MVB is that he may well break some of our WR's ankles trying to throw the slant.**** Seriously great touch on the long ball which has been exciting to watch, but if he stays needs to improve touch on short and intermediate routes, pocket presence & quit carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. Only completed a little over 54% of passes , but thrown to the wolves as a FR with a very disappointing portal line except for Reese.

MVB as a freshman is judged harshly. Meanwhile Taylor is said to not be ready at all next season. Just seems odd to me that MVB playing as a true freshman in a tough spot seems to be held against him while it's cool that Taylor shouldn't be expected to play as a freshman.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The line was disappointing overall, but it's hard to replace all 5 starters from the previous season. It's even harder when four of them have been brought in from outside. Reese was good this season, but he looked even better at RG over the last two games. Ethan Miner was really good. He was the 3rd highest graded center in the SEC according to PFF. Everyone else had their issues, whether in run blocking or pass blocking. However, a lot of the pass pro issues are the result of the pocket presence of the QB.

Miner was really solid on the line. I, like you, thought Reese got better when we moved him inside. I thought Jackson got better as the season went along and I think Work could be really good for us. Miner will be tough to replace, but at least we're not working from basically ground zero with an O Line next year. We'll be able to bring back some pieces.

[msstate7]

Opposite. We should be safe with Craver. Everything got worked out last week accd. to the folks I spoke with. They said Coleman and Craver are locked up. I knew Coleman was. I was 50/50, and tbh still kind of am, on Craver. It won't be the end of the world if we lose Craver. Craver is a really good player and has a chance to be great, but he's got some maturing to do. Hopefully he does that growing up here

Keeping Coleman and craver is no small win. Very pleasing to me

[StarkVegasSteve]

MVB as a freshman is judged harshly. Meanwhile Taylor is said to not be ready at all next season. Just seems odd to me that MVB playing as a true freshman in a tough spot seems to be held against him while it's cool that Taylor shouldn't be expected to play as a freshman.

I don't think he's judged harshly. This is the SEC. If you're not ready, this conference will tear you apart. And he wasn't ready. I have said since we signed the kid that it would be two years before he was ready. Van Buren has a lot of talent, but he also has a lot of bad habits. Taylor has some of those habits as well. You have to give these kids time to develop at the QB position and break them of those habits. It is very rare that kids are able to come into this conference as Freshman and contribute AT ANY POSITION. It's even rarer when it's at the QB position.

[Goldendawg]

Miner was really solid on the line. I, like you, thought Reese got better when we moved him inside. I thought Jackson got better as the season went along and I think Work could be really good for us. Miner will be tough to replace, but at least we're not working from basically ground zero with an O Line next year. We'll be able to bring back some pieces.

Good analysis, but if he does stay, hope Pounders makes a big jump in 2025 or he is just a ST/backup. Think Work can be special as he looked good many times as another FR being thrown into the SEC fire.

[Johnson85]

I feel like everybody getting their hopes up....and that works out about 10% of the time here...

I am impressed that you are still this optimistic after being a state fan.

[LebbroDog]

I don't think he's judged harshly. This is the SEC. If you're not ready, this conference will tear you apart. And he wasn't ready. I have said since we signed the kid that it would be two years before he was ready. Van Buren has a lot of talent, but he also has a lot of bad habits. Taylor has some of those habits as well. You have to give these kids time to develop at the QB position and break them of those habits. It is very rare that kids are able to come into this conference as Freshman and contribute AT ANY POSITION. It's even rarer when it's at the QB position.

Which is crazy that we have MSU folks scoffing at the opportunity to bring in Arnold. Yes, it has been well documented that he struggled this year in a system not made for him. But the kid is a 5 star 99 ranked recruit who was top 5 QB in his class. You don't turn somebody like that away especially at MSU where we didn't discover that offense was a part of college football until 2009.

[Cowbell]

The big guys don't ever go 100% on anything because they know if something happens last second to change things, they'll be trolled to oblivion by Dawgfan5342356 with an egg profile pic or FreezeTakeover7573423 with an eagle profile pic.

However, they don't say something just to say it. There not just throwing a prediction out there. When these national guys tweet this stuff out, that's generally where the kid ends up.

No doubt it's not thrown out there for no reason. These guys are also paid for negotiation use as well....

[DEDawg]

Do we have any idea when he will shut it down? Was hoping this was done and we would get it today. Going to start getting real nervous if we don?t hear something by EOD tomorrow

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do we have any idea when he will shut it down? Was hoping this was done and we would get it today. Going to start getting real nervous if we don?t hear something by EOD tomorrow

The portal has been open less than 24 hours. Today was the first day a player could legally take visits if there wasn't a coaching change. Give it more than 48 hours. He still wants to visit and do all the photoshoot stuff.

[DEDawg]

The portal has been open less than 24 hours. Today was the first day a player could legally take visits if there wasn't a coaching change. Give it more than 48 hours. He still wants to visit and do all the photoshoot stuff.

I know I know, that just always never works for us. The photoshoots turn into commitments elsewhere usually

[StarkVegasSteve]

I know I know, that just always never works for us. The photoshoots turn into commitments elsewhere usually

Not this time.

[Msujd164]

And just like that we are reminded no one here knows anything. Craver to portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And just like that we are reminded no one here knows anything. Craver to portal.

Literally said I was 50/50 on it because I know people have been tampering with Craver like crazy. LAST WEEK, we had an agreement. That's 3 lifetimes in the portal world. If we get him back, great. If not, not a huge deal. You go get DT Sheffield and roll. They're the same player except Sheffield is faster

[Brobi-wan]

And just like that we are reminded no one here knows anything. Craver to portal.

You were waiting on that one. Lmao

[Activated Alpha]

I'm sorry, but MVB is not worth the asking price when we went 2-10. Our defense and scheme kept us in the Egg Bowl and our offense couldn't deliver. If he was the reason we won an extra 3 games then I would lean toward making it worth keeping him, but he isn't Tom Brady or Mahomes in the pocket

[Jarius]

MVB is exceptionally average and JA has way more tools with a much higher ceiling and comes way cheaper than what VB is asking for (1.3 million reportedly is what VB wanted and we told him to kick rocks). Craver took his ball and went home when we recruited over MVB. He’s been a pain in the a*s for a while. I think he was leaving anyway but whatever. Not worried about WR in this scheme. We need to get some defensive tackles and edge rushers that are difference makers. Hopefully Arnold can bring one with him.

[preachermatt83]

Opposite. We should be safe with Craver. Everything got worked out last week accd. to the folks I spoke with. They said Coleman and Craver are locked up. I knew Coleman was. I was 50/50, and tbh still kind of am, on Craver. It won't be the end of the world if we lose Craver. Craver is a really good player and has a chance to be great, but he's got some maturing to do. Hopefully he does that growing up here

Wondering what your prediction percentages are

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wondering what your prediction percentages are

Craver I'm probably at about 15% he returns. Not likely at all, but things could happen.

Coleman I'm about 65-70% he returns. Not as high as I was earlier today but still confident we'll get things worked out with him. The big thing is that he's not in the portal.

The good thing with Coleman is that he knows he's a feature in our offense. If he goes somewhere else, it could be like it was at Louisville last year or when he was at JSU. He's WR1 here.

[confucius say]

Craver I'm probably at about 15% he returns. Not likely at all, but things could happen.

Coleman I'm about 65-70% he returns. Not as high as I was earlier today but still confident we'll get things worked out with him. The big thing is that he's not in the portal.

The good thing with Coleman is that he knows he's a feature in our offense. If he goes somewhere else, it could be like it was at Louisville last year or when he was at JSU. He's WR1 here.

Do we know why craver was suspended? Is the rumor that it was his conversations with Auburn true?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do we know why craver was suspended? Is the rumor that it was his conversations with Auburn true?

Kind of. There was some other stuff too. Discipline related.

[Really Clark?]

Do we know why craver was suspended? Is the rumor that it was his conversations with Auburn true?

Just Freshman stuff / attitude. He needs to mature more.

[Tater]

ND is interested in Arnold. Were the early favorite.

[DEDawg]

ND is interested in Arnold. Were the early favorite.

It begins

[BlackSailsDawg]

Craver I'm probably at about 15% he returns. Not likely at all, but things could happen.

Coleman I'm about 65-70% he returns. Not as high as I was earlier today but still confident we'll get things worked out with him. The big thing is that he's not in the portal.

The good thing with Coleman is that he knows he's a feature in our offense. If he goes somewhere else, it could be like it was at Louisville last year or when he was at JSU. He's WR1 here.

Coleman will test the waters without entering the portal. His people are doing that for him. That's how he and we will know his pay.

[DownwardDawg]

It begins

I will be SHOCKED if we get Arnold.

[Dawgface]

ND is interested in Arnold. Were the early favorite.

Does Arnold like Lebby enough to pass on a blue blood? I?m guessing no unless we pay a lot more.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Does Arnold like Lebby enough to pass on a blue blood? I?m guessing no unless we pay a lot more.

He does. He believes Lebby is his path forward.

[parabrave]

ND is interested in Arnold. Were the early favorite.

Does he have Merls agent?? Drive up that price,

[Brobi-wan]

I don’t like the energy on this thread. We get Arnold by this weekend. Book it. We ride with a former 5 star as QB1 and MVB hits the portal.

Calling my shot.

[DownwardDawg]

He does. He believes Lebby is his path forward.

I sure hope so. We've been burned so many times.

[DownwardDawg]

I don’t like the energy on this thread. We get Arnold by this weekend. Book it. We ride with a former 5 star as QB1 and MVB hits the portal.

Calling my shot.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Brobi-wan again.

[KB21]

Arnold wants to be in the Briles system. That?s what he played in while in high school. That?s what he signed with Oklahoma to play in. He?s not about to change course and play in the ground heavy pro style system Notre Dame runs or the high school pop gun offense Hugh Freeze runs.

[EdwardDrayton]

I will be SHOCKED if we get Arnold.

^^^^^^^

[KB21]

Auburn has picked up the QB from Stanford.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will be SHOCKED if we get Arnold.

I would be BEYOND SHOCKED if we do not.

[Really Clark?]

Auburn has picked up the QB from Stanford.

That one they were leading with for a while. They will add 1 more.

[BankerDog]

MVB and Craver gonna learn that people aren?t gonna be paying $1.3MM and $975k for two freshmen who were above average.

[civildawg]

MVB and Craver gonna learn that people aren?t gonna be paying $1.3MM and $975k for two freshmen who were above average.

Craver showed a couple of flashes, but that's it. There a dime a dozen of cravers in the portal

[chef dixon]

Craver is an exceptional deep threat for a freshman. Problem is our offense sucked too bad to truly utilize it.

[EdwardDrayton]

I would be BEYOND SHOCKED if we do not.

I will be elated if you're right SVS.

[DownwardDawg]

I would be BEYOND SHOCKED if we do not.

I love your optimism. I hope you are right about this.

[Brobi-wan]

MVB and Craver gonna learn that people aren?t gonna be paying $1.3MM and $975k for two freshmen who were above average.

BINGO. Not paying 975K for WR2.5 or a QB competition. That’s best position player on the roster money.

[Coach34]

And just like that we are reminded no one here knows anything. Craver to portal.

Craver was a problem child that has no sense of self. We werent going to give him anything near what he was asking.

[HoopsDawg]

Craver was a problem child that has no sense of self. We werent going to give him anything near what he was asking.

Good on us then.

[EdwardDrayton]

Craver was a problem child that has no sense of self. We werent going to give him anything near what he was asking.

Children sometimes naively think they have real leverage. Wish him well as he learns hard adult lessons.

[Jarius]

I would be BEYOND SHOCKED if we do not.

National media guys don’t put in predictions for guys on a whim. He’s coming here barring something completely drastic. Lebby isn’t going to risk losing VB without knowing Arnold is coming. Kudos to you on the intel. Is he bringing a DL with him?

[BigDawg81]

National media guys don’t put in predictions for guys on a whim. He’s coming here barring something completely drastic. Lebby isn’t going to risk losing VB without knowing Arnold is coming. Kudos to you on the intel. Is he bringing a DL with him?My question too. What DL is coming with him?

[TrapGame]

I perused a few of the OK boards and they all think Arnold is 100% State bound.

Then they say he was terrible, good riddance and ramble on about getting the QB from Washington St., Mateer.

[EdwardDrayton]

National media guys don’t put in predictions for guys on a whim. He’s coming here barring something completely drastic. Lebby isn’t going to risk losing VB without knowing Arnold is coming. Kudos to you on the intel. Is he bringing a DL with him?

I've been a State fan too long. Want to believe it, but will believe it when it's done.

[Quaoarsking]

I perused a few of the OK boards and they all think Arnold is 100% State bound.

Then they say he was terrible, good riddance and ramble on about getting the QB from Washington St., Mateer.

A year ago those same Oklahoma fans were glad Dillon Gabriel was leaving because he sucked and Arnold would be so much better...

[Really Clark?]

A year ago those same Oklahoma fans were glad Dillom Gabriel was leaving because he sucked and Arnold would be so much better...

And several happy Lebby's offense was leaving too

[StarkVegasSteve]

I perused a few of the OK boards and they all think Arnold is 100% State bound.

Then they say he was terrible, good riddance and ramble on about getting the QB from Washington St., Mateer.

Mateer may be good there. The issue last year with Arnold was that they thought Littrell was going to run the same system as Lebby and not run his version of the Air Raid, which is the Dykes/Holgorsen version of it. Shocker….he ran what he knows.

[Cowbell]

National media guys don?t put in predictions for guys on a whim. He?s coming here barring something completely drastic. Lebby isn?t going to risk losing VB without knowing Arnold is coming. Kudos to you on the intel. Is he bringing a DL with him?

They do if agents pay them for negotiation purposes. There is no coincidence that there was a tweet and then a counter by ND....

[msstate7]

They do if agents pay them for negotiation purposes. There is no coincidence that there was a tweet and then a counter by ND....

We're competing with ND?

[StarkVegasSteve]

They do if agents pay them for negotiation purposes. There is no coincidence that there was a tweet and then a counter by ND....

They can counter all they want. Jackson and his camp are not going to play in a Mike Denbrock offense. Also, Notre Dame fans would be waiting by Touchdown Jesus with pitchforks for Freeman and Arnold if they brought in the OU QB who lost his job early in the season. Would not matter why. My guess is they will make a run at Malik Murphy. I also could see them trying to get in the Noah Fifita sweepstakes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We're competing with ND?

No.

[TrapGame]

They can counter all they want. Jackson and his camp are not going to play in a Mike Denbrock offense. Also, Notre Dame fans would be waiting by Touchdown Jesus with pitchforks for Freeman and Arnold if they brought in the OU QB who lost his job early in the season. Would not matter why. My guess is they will make a run at Malik Murphy. I also could see them trying to get in the Noah Fifita sweepstakes.

Arnold is fluent in Chinese but people think he's transferring to a place where they only speak Hungarian.

[confucius say]

One other thing with Arnold. His ability to run will be huge inside the 10. Lebby did a ton of QB run game inside the 10 with Gabriel (he had 12 rushing TD in 2023) and on short yardage situation, but very little with MVB for obvious reasons (he is 180 pounds and was our last qb).
Think about how many times we were inside the 10 and got no points this year. Changes a game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

One other thing with Arnold. His ability to run will be huge inside the 10. Lebby did a ton of QB run game inside the 10 with Gabriel (he had 12 rushing TD in 2023) and on short yardage situation, but very little with MVB for obvious reasons (he is 180 pounds and was our last qb).
Think about how many times we were inside the 10 and got no points this year. Changes a game.

The offense will run more true with Arnold. We were a bit cautious with Shapen early and then completely took out QB run with Van Buren. Go watch the Tennessee offense in 21 and 22 to get an idea of what things will look like.

[Cowbell]

We're competing with ND?

Yes. Hopefully for only negotiating purposes

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes. Hopefully for only negotiating purposes

It is not even for that. The only people who think we are competing with Notre Dame is Notre Dame.

[Tater]

MVB and Craver gonna learn that people aren?t gonna be paying $1.3MM and $975k for two freshmen who were above average.

Not really breaking news here. But just double confirming that Craver has asked for a million from my OU source. That's a legit # people should believe.

As for saying ND is interested in Arnold. It's slight and most OU folks expect him to State at 90% or better. But we've been burned before so I get it.

[Tater]

It is not even for that. The only people who think we are competing with Notre Dame is Notre Dame.

I'm just telling you i put a feeler out to my OU people. ND is interested in him, but I don't know if he's interested in them. Still heavy MSU lean but if I hear a change I'll post it.

[Todd4State]

The offense will run more true with Arnold. We were a bit cautious with Shapen early and then completely took out QB run with Van Buren. Go watch the Tennessee offense in 21 and 22 to get an idea of what things will look like.

We could potentially make a huge jump next year. Having a true freshman in and of itself plus a really bad defense meant that we really weren't going to open up as much as we could have.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm just telling you i put a feeler out to my OU people. ND is interested in him, but I don't know if he's interested in them. Still heavy MSU lean but if I hear a change I'll post it.

That is what I’ve been trying to say, he is not interested in them

[MetEdDawg]

We could potentially make a huge jump next year. Having a true freshman in and of itself plus a really bad defense meant that we really weren't going to open up as much as we could have.

We've got to shore up the OL, DL, and secondary if we've got any shot at making a huge jump. We need guys that can start at the P4 level.

We were simply too consistently overmatched at those positions last year.

If we can't get 8-10 immediately impacts on this team from the portal, it's going to be really tough for us even with Arnold at the QB spot.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We've got to shore up the OL, DL, and secondary if we've got any shot at making a huge jump. We need guys that can start at the P4 level.

We were simply too consistently overmatched at those positions last year.

If we can't get 8-10 immediately impacts on this team from the portal, it's going to be really tough for us even with Arnold at the QB spot.

Yep. The good news is that I think Arnold coming on board will get other people to want to play for this team. We need to close on defenders though. A lot of hooks in the line, just need to catch some bass and not minnows.

[starkvegasdawg]

A lot of hooks in the line, just need to catch some bass and not minnows.

Have we considered an old crank phone or dynamite?

[Brobi-wan]

Craver wanting a million is insane. I don’t know how much an above average WR goes for, but that’s Tre Harris money. I would think he’s worth 650k max. If I’m wrong tell me. I’m not sure how you you find the worth of these guys…which is part of the problem.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Have we considered an old crank phone or dynamite?

We're just now able to fish with dynamite. Before Lebby we were fishing with a kiddie pole you find at Walmart. Last year we moved up to the adult poles. Now we're finally fishing with dynamite like everyone else.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Craver wanting a million is insane. I don’t know how much an above average WR goes for, but that’s Tre Harris money. I would think he’s worth 650k max. If I’m wrong tell me. I’m not sure how you you find the worth of these guys…which is part of the problem.

He's not worth 650. He's maybe worth 300K. Kid has a lot of maturing to do.

[Cowbell]

Yep. The good news is that I think Arnold coming on board will get other people to want to play for this team. We need to close on defenders though. A lot of hooks in the line, just need to catch some bass and not minnows.
This is why I want Arnold - just for the optimism

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is why I want Arnold - just for the optimism

This looks good from an optics standpoint even more than on field. This is a kid who was highly rated out of HS and is still VERY highly thought of. We're going to get a lot of positive pub with this. I mean the recruiting guys on all the major sites have almost daily updates on him.

[Really Clark?]

Craver wanting a million is insane. I don’t know how much an above average WR goes for, but that’s Tre Harris money. I would think he’s worth 650k max. If I’m wrong tell me. I’m not sure how you you find the worth of these guys…which is part of the problem.

I would be surprised if he even gets $500,000 anywhere. I don't mind players trying to see what their value is on the open market. I think this is a case of trying to get us to over spend to keep him or he will move to a bigger program that will pay him his value. For me, whatever I pay Coleman, Craver will be about half that max without his issues. I'm about 30-40% of Coleman NIL for Craver.

[Bdawg]

This looks good from an optics standpoint even more than on field. This is a kid who was highly rated out of HS and is still VERY highly thought of. We're going to get a lot of positive pub with this. I mean the recruiting guys on all the major sites have almost daily updates on him.

I’m sure any national guys will drop the interest in him/storylines in a heartbeat if he comes to us. Good pub seems hard to come by for us. But hopefully he could create some momentum for us with players. Get him in the boat and tell him get to recruiting!!

[KB21]

My gut feeling is to let things play out with Craver. I think he gets on the market and realizes that he's not getting what he thinks he is getting. When that happens, he could come back to the offense that will make him money down the road. The one aspect I don't know about is how Jeff Lebby will handle things like this. Zach Arnett was a push over and let Tulu and Zavion dictate terms to him. Jeff Lebby may be a guy that tells a player once you are in, don't think you will have a spot to come back to when your market isn't what you expect. Particularly when they apparently had an agreement as late as last week and the kid decides to jump into the portal anyway. By the time he realizes it, Jeff Lebby may already have Jahvonnie Gibson, Caleb Goodie, and DT Sheffield in as replacements.

[Really Clark?]

My gut feeling is to let things play out with Craver. I think he gets on the market and realizes that he's not getting what he thinks he is getting. When that happens, he could come back to the offense that will make him money down the road. The one aspect I don't know about is how Jeff Lebby will handle things like this. Zach Arnett was a push over and let Tulu and Zavion dictate terms to him. Jeff Lebby may be a guy that tells a player once you are in, don't think you will have a spot to come back to when your market isn't what you expect. Particularly when they apparently had an agreement as late as last week and the kid decides to jump into the portal anyway. By the time he realizes it, Jeff Lebby may already have Jahvonnie Gibson, Caleb Goodie, and DT Sheffield in as replacements.

Lebby definitely plays harder ball over NIL money and the portal. Not saying he won't let a player back, but I have no indication that we will over spend to keep a player from leaving.

[StarkVegasSteve]

My gut feeling is to let things play out with Craver. I think he gets on the market and realizes that he's not getting what he thinks he is getting. When that happens, he could come back to the offense that will make him money down the road. The one aspect I don't know about is how Jeff Lebby will handle things like this. Zach Arnett was a push over and let Tulu and Zavion dictate terms to him. Jeff Lebby may be a guy that tells a player once you are in, don't think you will have a spot to come back to when your market isn't what you expect. Particularly when they apparently had an agreement as late as last week and the kid decides to jump into the portal anyway. By the time he realizes it, Jeff Lebby may already have Jahvonnie Gibson, Caleb Goodie, and DT Sheffield in as replacements.

If the story on him transferring is true, I wouldn't expect him back.

[ZedFedder]

You could see Craver had a bad attitude with his body language on the field. I want him to stay because he has the ability to be great, but he has some work to do from a mentality standpoint.

[Chuck3124]

Could we see Arnold make the call soon? Steve reported one source of his said he could make it within 48 hours last night in a post

[KB21]

Craver could be great, but he's got to get a lot better with physicality at the catch point. For as well as he can track a ball 50 yards down the field, he's equally as bad when he has to battle any physicality at the catch point on slants and intermediate throws.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Could we see Arnold make the call soon? Steve reported one source of his said he could make it within 48 hours last night in a post

I'd expect it by weeks end. I was told to look more Thursday/Friday range but to not freak out if it hadn't happened by then.

[StateDawg44]

I'd expect it by weeks end. I was told to look more Thursday/Friday range but to not freak out if it hadn't happened by then.

Well damn, as confident as you've sounded now I'm definitely going to get that familiar feeling of the rug getting yanked after the carrot has been dangled if it makes it past Friday or the weekend.

[HancockCountyDog]

Craver wanting a million is insane. I don’t know how much an above average WR goes for, but that’s Tre Harris money. I would think he’s worth 650k max. If I’m wrong tell me. I’m not sure how you you find the worth of these guys…which is part of the problem.

Tre Harris did not get a million, not even close.

The fact that we have guys on a 2-10 team 'demanding' anything is beyond me.

[Really Clark?]

Tre Harris did not get a million, not even close.

The fact that we have guys on a 2-10 team 'demanding' anything is beyond me.

Tre Harris NIL was reported $613,000

[Really Clark?]

MVB hitting the portal

[StarkVegasSteve]

Van Buren will be in the portal by EOD, make of that what you will and form your own opinions off of it. Or just finally listen to what I've been saying since late September.

[Coach34]

Tre Harris did not get a million, not even close.

The fact that we have guys on a 2-10 team 'demanding' anything is beyond me.

if we dont pay some of these guys someone else will

[Really Clark?]

if we dont pay some of these guys someone else will

Nobody is paying Craver $900,000. Nobody

[HancockCountyDog]

Tre Harris NIL was reported $613,000

That was his NIL value, that is not the number I was told he got. I've been told less than 500K. Got to remember, last year's numbers aren't this year's numbers.

OL transfers cost between 250-350K last year. This year, I'm hearing 400-500K. Only a handful of QB's made 1 million last season, this year - that is the floor for a p4 QB. It is why MVB thought he was worth what he asked for.

Craver is a solid player with potential, I really don't want to lose him, but I don't see a team breaking the bank for him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it.

[HancockCountyDog]

Nobody is paying Craver $900,000. Nobody

Agreed.

Some of these kids are going to learn what Judkins learned. The bears were willing to overpay for a RB, but he thought he could get more. I've been told that he got less to play at Ohio State, because he misjudged the market.

What is hilarious is that it was a mutually bad deal for both parties. The bears really missed having an elite RB and Judkins didn't elevate his draft stock, if anything he damaged it. Just a pure loss-loss situation. Couldn't happen to a better school or player.

[Brobi-wan]

Tre Harris did not get a million, not even close.

The fact that we have guys on a 2-10 team 'demanding' anything is beyond me.

Thanks for clearing that up for me! Appreciate it!

[Coach34]

Nobody is paying Craver $900,000. Nobody

oh no doubt about that. Thats crazy and we all know that. But someone will pay him a certain amount. It's all about negotiations and why we have a football GM now

College football is no more. This is a new era