2019 Recruiting Thread

[Bully13]

No offense taken at all. I know that you are high on him, you were even the first here to say he was an elite WR, so I think you have a really good bead on the kid. However, his offer sheet just didn't grade out quite as high as some of the others. Those rankings have zero to do with any of my evaluations and are based purely on the quality of the prospects top 20 offers.

Do some top quality croots have less offers due to the fact the coaches know he's settled on 1 or 2 schools and is in no way considering others?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He?s just another 4* RB who ain?t coming to State

I guess there's nothing to discuss then.

[Commercecomet24]

Not if we don't land any of them.

Jackson State can offer these guys.

I fail to see the coorelation between offering good players vs actually landing them.

Well here's a novel concept, why don't you let it play out and see who we actually land. Mullen wasn't even offering or going after these guys and folks used to complain on here about us not even offering high rated recruits.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I guess there's nothing to discuss then.

The sky must be indeed falling.......

[Commercecomet24]

Well...if you offer you have a chance. It means you are confident enough and willing to put the effort in to get them.

Mullen would go offer a 2 star and yall would bitch. Thats the difference

This!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BuckyIsAB**** again.

[I seen it dawg]

Early August......

[ShotgunDawg]

Well here's a novel concept, why don't you let it play out and see who we actually land. Mullen wasn't even offering or going after these guys and folks used to complain on here about us not even offering high rated recruits.

Eh, I don't believe that. Agree let's let it play out and not just crown a recruiting upswing just because we offer a player. Let's see the results first.

Sometimes chasing the big fish isn't the best idea. Would we have Gray committed right now if we didn't chase Emery?

Think about it

[Cooterpoot]

Eh, I don't believe that. Agree let's let it play out and not just crown a recruiting upswing just because we offer a player. Let's see the results first.

Sometimes chasing the big fish isn't the best idea. Would we have Gray committed right now if we didn't chase Emery?

Think about it

And if Emery hadn't strung us a long (well, not really him), we'd have gone harder after someone else. But he was all but committed until people got involved.
If you want us to go back to Mullenesque recruiting, well, then you'll be complaining about even worse rated classes and a larger talent gap between us and the top schools.
We never backed away from Gray. We didn't push him to commit, but we didn't back away. He won't end up at Michigan.

[ShotgunDawg]

And if Emery hadn't strung us a long (well, not really him), we'd have gone harder after someone else. But he was all but committed until people got involved.
If you want us to go back to Mullenesque recruiting, well, then you'll be complaining about even worse rated classes and a larger talent gap between us and the top schools.
We never backed away from Gray. We didn't push him to commit, but we didn't back away. He won't end up at Michigan.

I agree. I'm just saying that there are different ways to look at this & all that matters is who you sign.

Throwing out offers does not equal better recruiting. Signing better players equals better recruiting.

The Emery situation is just absurd BTW. The most MSU thing ever

[Cooterpoot]

I agree. I'm just saying that there are different ways to look at this & all that matters is who you sign.

Throwing out offers does not equal better recruiting. Signing better players equals better recruiting.

The Emery situation is just absurd BTW. The most MSU thing ever

But you have to offer them and spend time recruiting top players to get them. And once you start getting a few, others will come with them. These guys have been here 7-9 months. The relationships they build will be a helluva a lot better than what our last staff did. HS coaches hated our last staff (the CC).

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Throwing out offers does not equal better recruiting. Signing better players equals better recruiting.

You just skipped the most important part of the process. You went from throwing out offers straight to signing. The key part & the part this staff in a few short months have proven they're willing to do more than the last staff is recruit better players. Anybody can throw the offer out but not everybody is willing to put in the work to get the kid. Of course signing is the most important but you can't sign better players if you don't RECRUIT better players. That's what we're trying to do.

We were so pissed when the last staff would just settle for kids they didn't have to work for & had no other offers. I saw the same thing last month when plenty on here & other msg boards were screaming let's just take "insert instate OL or RB here". Instead this staff is still looking for legit SEC caliber players. Again it's all about who you sign but continuing to try to sign legit SEC guys & not just saying oh well I can pull this kid with no effort sign him up is a step up in recruiting which everyone has been screaming about for years.

[ShotgunDawg]

You just skipped the most important part of the process. You went from throwing out offers straight to signing. The key part & the part this staff in a few short months have proven they're willing to do more than the last staff is recruit better players. Anybody can throw the offer out but not everybody is willing to put in the work to get the kid. Of course signing is the most important but you can't sign better players if you don't RECRUIT better players. That's what we're trying to do.

We were so pissed when the last staff would just settle for kids they didn't have to work for & had no other offers. I saw the same thing last month when plenty on here & other msg boards were screaming let's just take "insert instate OL or RB here". Instead this staff is still looking for legit SEC caliber players. Again it's all about who you sign but continuing to try to sign legit SEC guys & not just saying oh well I can pull this kid with no effort sign him up is a step up in recruiting which everyone has been screaming about for years.

Good points & I agree with all.

I just don't like praising people until the results are in. However, it does appear as though the process is better and with more effort.

I do wonder though if Mullen's regime started off doing this before throwing in the towel when they realized they weren't landing any of the big fish they were chasing?

Does anyone remember the first few years of the Mullen era in terms of who we offered & recruited?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Good points & I agree with all.

I just don't like praising people until the results are in. However, it does appears as though the process is better

It's funny because you're constantly preaching about how MSU & MSU fans need to get over this inferiority complex. However when someone praises this staff or talks about how good they think this new staff will be in coaching or recruiting you throw a wet blanket on them or so say slow down with the praise. It's just confusing because you say take pride in MSU & expect better but when someone does you say wait a minute let's not get to ahead of ourselves.

[Commercecomet24]

Eh, I don't believe that. Agree let's let it play out and not just crown a recruiting upswing just because we offer a player. Let's see the results first.

Sometimes chasing the big fish isn't the best idea. Would we have Gray committed right now if we didn't chase Emery?

Think about it

You don't believe what? This staff is recruiting totally different than the previous staff, It's night and day different. Talk to some of the kids being recruited in person and don't just base it on what you read on the recruiting sites. I'm telling you this staff is doing things the right way in who and how they're recruiting. They're already making more connections and in roads in just the few months they've been here than the previous staff did in the years they were here. Go and talk to some of the hs coaches, they'll tell you.

[Jarius]

Good points & I agree with all.

I just don't like praising people until the results are in. However, it does appear as though the process is better and with more effort.

I do wonder though if Mullen's regime started off doing this before throwing in the towel when they realized they weren't landing any of the big fish they were chasing?

Does anyone remember the first few years of the Mullen era in terms of who we offered & recruited?

Well we already have a 4 star DE committed from Tennessee that has offers from Ohio State and Alabama and a 4 star qb from Carolina that has offers from everyone in the country in year 1, so I doubt they throw in the towel.

[Commercecomet24]

It's funny because you're constantly preaching about how MSU & MSU fans need to get over this inferiority complex. However when someone praises this staff or talks about how good they think this new staff will be in coaching or recruiting you throw a wet blanket on them or so say slow down with the praise. It's just confusing because you say take pride in MSU & expect better but when someone does you say wait a minute let's not get to ahead of ourselves.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ifyouonlyknew again.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's funny because you're constantly preaching about how MSU & MSU fans need to get over this inferiority complex. However when someone praises this staff or talks about how good they think this new staff will be in coaching or recruiting you throw a wet blanket on them or so say slow down with the praise. It's just confusing because you say take pride in MSU & expect better but when someone does you say wait a minute let's not get to ahead of ourselves.

I'm not into praising human beings unless it's results oriented. I view MSU as bigger than any coach, player, & administrator. My opinions involved separating the two.

For example: I despise how our athletic department continues to market the "Moor....." slogan stuff. We should be selling the school & state, not a human being. Our pride should be based around the school & state, not a human being.

I understand the predicament in which you are calling into question, but it's different IMO, even if I have trouble explaining why.

Hopefully this makes sense

[ShotgunDawg]

Well we already have a 4 star DE committed from Tennessee that has offers from Ohio State and Alabama and a 4 star qb from Carolina that has offers from everyone in the country in year 1, so I doubt they throw in the towel.

I'm not here to defend Mullen's recruiting in any way, but Mullen landed KT, Cord Sanburg, Montez Sweat, Nick Gibson, Mixon, Fred Ross, etc.... I don't see what we've done out of state as being that much different than what the Mullen regime did, although I do realize that everything Mullen is currently bad & every Moorhead is wonderful.

Perhaps our recruiting will be better at the end of the day, but I'm seeing this massive uptick that everyone keeps praising this staff for. At least not yet.

[Jarius]

I'm not here to defend Mullen's recruiting in any way, but Mullen landed KT, Cord Sanburg, Montez Sweat, Nick Gibson, Mixon, Fred Ross, etc.... I don't see what we've done out of state as being that much different than what the Mullen regime did, although I do realize that everything Mullen is currently bad & every Moorhead is wonderful.

Perhaps our recruiting will be better at the end of the day, but I'm seeing this massive uptick that everyone keeps praising this staff for. At least not yet.

Cord Sandburg never made it to campus and everyone in the country knew he was not coming, which is why we got him so easily to start with. Montez Sweat was a MS juco prospect. That does not count for OOS signees. Keith Mixon was a composite 3 star. Fred Ross, KT, Bennie Brown, and Gipson are about the only 4 OOS highly rated kids he signed while here. That is in 9 years. We have 2 in year 1 with this staff, along with Whop from last year.

[ShotgunDawg]

Cord Sandburg never made it to campus and everyone in the country knew he was not coming, which is why we got him so easily to start with. Montez Sweat was a MS juco prospect. That does not count for OOS signees. Keith Mixon was a composite 3 star. Fred Ross, KT, and Bennie Brown are about the only 3 OOS highly rated kids he signed while here. That is in 9 years. We have 2 in year 1 with this staff, along with Whop from last year.

- There are more than the ones I listed
- I think Whop was coming regardless, I could be wrong though
- Everyone did not know what was going to happen to Cord at the time he committed to us. He committed to us early that Summer before the baseball situation took off.
- I'm not saying that this staff isn't doing a good job & the process is not better, but objectively, I not sold yet that recruiting will be THAT much better. I realize that is an unpopular opinion, but it's the way I see it at this point. I'm sure I'll be called dumb for this opinion, but, outside of the state of Mississippi being more loaded than ever, I don't yet see a drastic uptick in who we will likely sign.