2019 Recruiting Thread

[Bothrops]

Lovett is going to be a monster. NFL future.

[shrimp]

The Jr. I'm most worried about leaving early is Daryl Williams. I assume this is why we're recruiting Sharp.

Just my opinion

1-2 RB (leaning 1)
0-1 WR (Depends on secondary finish could push Jarrian or Purvis to offense)
2-3 OL (2 for sure 3 if we don't keep Richardson)
0-1 DL (would have to be a stud)
1-2 LB
1-2 DB

I could see us taking - full 25 esp if 1 or 2 are sign & place guys.

I think we're at 82-83 on the roster. We have 17 Sr's plus Simmons so that gives us 20-21 scholarships. Of course a Cole, Guidry, or Leo could have amazing seasons & leave but I'm not banking on that right now. There's always 1 or 2 guys who move on each off season plus 1-2 sign & place guys we seem to have. That would get us right to 25. Technically we could sign 27 if there was more attrition after the season than normal but That's getting ahead of ourselves.

[ShotgunDawg]

Whoops sorry. Poor post

[msstate7]

Looks like we just offered an Iowa State RB commit Breece Hall.

Breece is an 87 rated RB from Wichita, KS

This makes it look like the staff is scrambling & things must not look good with Gray, Emery, or Ealy.

Not good news IMO

https://247sports.com/Player/Breece-Hall-46050232

247 has him as 92 rated 4-star

[ShotgunDawg]

247 has him as 92 rated 4-star

Yup.

Looks like 247's shitty system of advertising the composite over their own evaluation got me yet again.

Of note, Breece Hall is the biggest RB we've been recruiting. He's currently 6'1" 215

Gray is smaller and quicker

[SouthMSDog]

Based on offers, the RBs you mentioned grade out like this...

Emery: 4.94
Ealy: 4.73
Gray: 4.12
Hall: 3.61

The top two are elite, but neither Gray nor Hall are anything to scoff at.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

He runs like Vick Ballard. He's Vick's size in HS already...based on a clip (1:15 mark) from his video I timed him at 4.83 40. From the 50 yard line to the 7 yd line since he sprinted the entire way.

[ShotgunDawg]

Based on offers, the RBs you mentioned grade out like this...

Emery: 4.94 - Deep south
Ealy: 4.73 - Deep South
Gray: 4.12 - Memphis
Hall: 3.61 - Wichita

Hall is from by far the most remote area. Not surprising that he has the least amount of offers

[SouthMSDog]

Based on offers, the RBs you mentioned grade out like this...

Emery: 4.94 - Deep south
Ealy: 4.73 - Deep South
Gray: 4.12 - Memphis
Hall: 3.61 - Wichita

Hall is from by far the most remote area. Not surprising that he has the least amount of offers

It's not just about the number of offers, it's about the number and the quality of the offers - that is what is factored into that number. I understand the point you are making that being in a remote area and not doing a lot of camps may effect the number of offers you can earn, but I don't believe that to be the case with Hall. Wichita isn't that small, according to Google it's pretty comparable to Tulsa, OK and around 400,000 in population. I didn't mean that him grading out at 3.61 was bad, in fact I think it's really pretty strong and would be very happy to have him in our class.

I'll use the current ATH and RB commits in the Pac 12 (since I have that conference up to date) for a comparison so you can see where he matches up.

Name State Position Rating Commitment
Sean Dollars CA RB 4.06 Oregon
Austin Jones CA RB 3.91 Stanford
Cameron Williams CA ATH 3.85 Washington
Jaren Mangham MI RB 3.82 Colorado
Asa Turner CA ATH 3.72 Washington
Jayvaun Wilson CA ATH 3.00 Oregon
Cameron Davis CA RB 2.80 Washington
DeCarlos Brooks AZ ATH 1.89 California
Jouvensly Bazile FL RB 1.84 Washington State
Kain Medrano CO ATH 1.61 UCLA
Carl Jones CA ATH 1.56 Colorado
Joshia Davis CO RB 1.49 Colorado
Anthony Gould OR ATH 1.23 Oregon State

Forgive the formatting, I'm in a bit of a hurry.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's not just about the number of offers, it's about the number and the quality of the offers - that is what is factored into that number. I understand the point you are making that being in a remote area and not doing a lot of camps may effect the number of offers you can earn, but I don't believe that to be the case with Hall. Wichita isn't that small, according to Google it's pretty comparable to Tulsa, OK and around 400,000 in population. I didn't mean that him grading out at 3.61 was bad, in fact I think it's really pretty strong and would be very happy to have him in our class.

I'll use the current ATH and RB commits in the Pac 12 (since I have that conference up to date) for a comparison so you can see where he matches up.

Name State Position Rating Commitment
Sean Dollars CA RB 4.06 Oregon
Austin Jones CA RB 3.91 Stanford
Cameron Williams CA ATH 3.85 Washington
Jaren Mangham MI RB 3.82 Colorado
Asa Turner CA ATH 3.72 Washington
Jayvaun Wilson CA ATH 3.00 Oregon
Cameron Davis CA RB 2.80 Washington
DeCarlos Brooks AZ ATH 1.89 California
Jouvensly Bazile FL RB 1.84 Washington State
Kain Medrano CO ATH 1.61 UCLA
Carl Jones CA ATH 1.56 Colorado
Joshia Davis CO RB 1.49 Colorado
Anthony Gould OR ATH 1.23 Oregon State

Forgive the formatting, I'm in a bit of a hurry.

Wichita's population is irrelevant. Kids there don't get recruited like kids from the deep south

I am curious though why he does not have an Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, or Arkansas offer. Those are three of the closest teams to him.

[Bothrops]

Yup.

Looks like 247's shitty system of advertising the composite over their own evaluation got me yet again.

Of note, Breece Hall is the biggest RB we've been recruiting. He's currently 6'1" 215

Gray is smaller and quicker

I watch his film. He has a nice burst and the necessary speed to not get caught from behind. But I question his physicality running in traffic at the next level,..especially SEC. I do think he has the tools to work in JoMo's offense. I'm not sure we could get him away from I-State, he has better offers and picked them anyway.

[ShotgunDawg]

I watch his film. He has a nice burst and the necessary speed to not get caught from behind. But I question his physicality running in traffic at the next level,..especially SEC. I do think he has the tools to work in JoMo's offense. I'm not sure we could get him away from I-State, he has better offers and picked them anyway.

I'm just curious why he doesn't have an OU or Oklahoma State offer

[Doggie_Style]

I'm just curious why he doesn't have an OU or Oklahoma State offer

We are obviously in a bind at RB...expect more ?offers ? to grade B players

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We are obviously in a bind at RB...expect more ?offers ? to grade B players

Kid is a Top 150 by 247. If these are our plan C guys recruiting has picked up.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I posted this on 247 earlier this morning and thought that y'all may be interested, as well. At minimum maybe it would start some good discussion...

Basically it is a 0-5 rating of a player based on their top 20 claimed offers as validated across the three main recruiting services. It takes the weight of each offer and compiles the average which is what you see in the rating column. Weights are determined by strength of record over the last 5 seasons, blue blood status, NFL draft picks and the quality of those picks (obviously 1st rd pick weighing the most and 7th round pick the least), bowl games & wins with different weights, etc...

I included MS JUCO prospects with HS players, as an FYI:

Not hating on you but Mingo is top 5 top 10 player in this state.

[Commercecomet24]

Kid is a Top 150 by 247. If these are our plan C guys recruiting has picked up.

Yeah if a 4 star rb is our plan C recruiting is definitely on the upswing.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yeah if a 4 star rb is our plan C recruiting is definitely on the upswing.

Not if we don't land any of them.

Jackson State can offer these guys.

I fail to see the coorelation between offering good players vs actually landing them.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Not if we don't land any of them.

Jackson State can offer these guys.

I fail to see the coorelation between offering good players vs actually landing them.

Well...if you offer you have a chance. It means you are confident enough and willing to put the effort in to get them.

Mullen would go offer a 2 star and yall would bitch. Thats the difference

[Doggie_Style]

Kid is a Top 150 by 247. If these are our plan C guys recruiting has picked up.

He?s just another 4* RB who ain?t coming to State

[SouthMSDog]

Not hating on you but Mingo is top 5 top 10 player in this state.

No offense taken at all. I know that you are high on him, you were even the first here to say he was an elite WR, so I think you have a really good bead on the kid. However, his offer sheet just didn't grade out quite as high as some of the others. Those rankings have zero to do with any of my evaluations and are based purely on the quality of the prospects top 20 offers.