NFL Draft - who do you think CLE takes and will Lamar Jackson be good?

[fishwater99]

I agree Barkley won't go #1. I'd prob take Mayfiekd then Barkley 4th

Barkley won't be there at #4

[Big4Dawg]

So you're expecting 0-1 out of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, and Mayfield to be NFL busts? That's pretty optimistic, as all 5 of them have serious doubters.

Or are you expecting a sleeper like Luke Falk, Mike White, etc., to be one of the 4-5?

I?m expecting 4-5 starters out of this entire class. Including Rudolph, Falk, White, etc

[bulldawg28]

He's not very smart.. 13 on Wonderlic

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...x1r4hj3l4j9gtb

Does the wondelic guarantee success? His stats are better than any QB being drafted today.

[dawgs]

Cleveland should take mayfield. After reading thru advanced throwing data, he's 1st in almost every meaningful rating and 2nd in the couple he's not 1st. His advanced throwing numbers compare with other successful nfl QBs in college like Russell Wilson and brees, and he's basically the same size as those guys. Allen will be a bust. His throwing metrics are some of the worst for a 1st round QB ever and compare to guys like jake locker and Jamarcus Russell. Non-advanced metric, but also read that wyoming's defense led the nation in turnovers created and was top 10 in total D, so they were a really good defense, but their offense ranked 100+ in total yards and like 97th in points, and Allen had the least number of drops of the top QBs. Maybe his WRs can't get the separation needed, but advanced metrics don't tell that story, they say the ball was not placed in a catchable radius. And yet he's a legitimate candidate to go #1 because he's tall and can throw it far?

[dawgs]

No idea on Lamar. He will need s couple years, but could see him having early success if he needs to step in due to injuries cause of his legs. Could turn into a tyrod Taylor type that sits for several years before becoming a competent dual threat QB. Accuracy is an issue, but less so than with someone like Allen.

[dawgs]

Darnold's turnovers have me thinking about jameis winston in his last year at f$uz. Everyone thought he was forcing it because he didn't have the talent around him and would stop forcing it with more playmakers, but he's kept right on turning it over in the NFL. Shows flashes of getting it, then reverts back to the same as he's always been.

[fishwater99]

Does the wondelic guarantee success? His stats are better than any QB being drafted today.

It's a pretty good indicator, especially for a QB. The NFL playbook is very complicated.
Time will tell how he pans out. There are exceptions to every rule for sure.

[dawgs]

It's a pretty good indicator, especially for a QB. The NFL playbook is very complicated.
Time will tell how he pans out. There are exceptions to every rule for sure.

I don't know how good of an indicator it is. There's always dudes putting up high 30s and 40s scores who suck. I would wanna see a correlation between wonderlic and nfl success before I'd give it too much credence.

EDIT: Google does seem to indicate that successful nfl QBs do tend to do pretty well on the wonderlic (mostly mid 20s to mid 30s). Of course you have some low scores who have been good to great and high scores that flopped, but all other things equal, seems like it's a good deciding factor to mitigate risk.

[bulldawg28]

It's a pretty good indicator, especially for a QB. The NFL playbook is very complicated.
Time will tell how he pans out. There are exceptions to every rule for sure.

It's no indicator at all. He played under Petrino whose playbook is NFL based. He did pretty well under an NFL Qb developer. I think he'll be just fine in the NFL. Check out these wonderlic scores below of those I'm sure you think were pretty good NFL Qb's.

Dan Marino (15) Randel Cunningham (15) Jim Kelly ( 14) terry bradshaw (13).

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Here is my problem with running quarterbacks:

In college they have to stay healthy for 15 games max (12 regular season, 1 conference championship, 1 playoff game, and a national championship game). In the pros that could be 24 games (4 preseason, 16 regular season, 3 playoff games, and Super Bowl). The beating takes a toll in a long season.

The other issue is that 18-22 year olds have fresh legs and can fly. When a running QB gets to be older, the speed goes from old age. Look at the age of Brady, Brees, Peyton Manning, etc. They can play as they age because speed isn't their game. You don't see many wideouts, corners, and running backs playing at that age. So I don't see Lamar Jackson runnng around at 35 or 36 like he will at 24 or 25.

[dawgs]

Here is my problem with running quarterbacks:

In college they have to stay healthy for 15 games max (12 regular season, 1 conference championship, 1 playoff game, and a national championship game). In the pros that could be 24 games (4 preseason, 16 regular season, 3 playoff games, and Super Bowl). The beating takes a toll in a long season.

The other issue is that 18-22 year olds have fresh legs and can fly. When a running QB gets to be older, the speed goes from old age. Look at the age of Brady, Brees, Peyton Manning, etc. They can play as they age because speed isn't their game. You don't see many wideouts, corners, and running backs playing at that age. So I don't see Lamar Jackson runnng around at 35 or 36 like he will at 24 or 25.

I think most teams would love I if you told them they could get a stud running QB for 8 years, but he'd be too beat up after that to be productive.

But with running QBs, people assume they aren't gonna improve passing. Cam doesn't run like he used to and he's a good QB. Roethlesberger used to run a lot more. Alex smith too. Running or non-running QBs either improve as passers or they don't, and the ones that don't improve don't stick around as a starter for very longs whether they can run or not. When you draft a guy, you don't think about what he could be 15 years down the line, if you get to that point and he's still starter worthy, then you are playing with house money.

[jackindabox]

Jackson might have been good but we will never know because he went to Ravens behind flacco. So he will not get to play till 2024 at the earliest and by then his speed will be less impressive and he will be another quarterback who is too short, and just decent at throwing

[dawgs]

Jackson might have been good but we will never know because he went to Ravens behind flacco. So he will not get to play till 2024 at the earliest and by then his speed will be less impressive and he will be another quarterback who is too short, and just decent at throwing

Do wat? Flacco has been shit for several years now, and it's not like he was a Tom Brady or even an Eli before that. If Jackson develops this year in a backup role and Flacco doesn't turn it around, he'll likely get a chance at some point in 2019, 2020 at the latest. Obviously we are assuming he's looking good in practice and Flacco continues to be shit. Ravens will figure out how to get rid of that albatross of a contract when the time comes.

[bulldawg28]

Jackson might have been good but we will never know because he went to Ravens behind flacco. So he will not get to play till 2024 at the earliest and by then his speed will be less impressive and he will be another quarterback who is too short, and just decent at throwing

You serious jack? Slow in 6 years? A slow 26-27 yr old with fresh legs? He's also 6'3, try again. Stop the madness the kid is playing within 2 years.

[msstate7]

Jackson might have been good but we will never know because he went to Ravens behind flacco. So he will not get to play till 2024 at the earliest and by then his speed will be less impressive and he will be another quarterback who is too short, and just decent at throwing

Pretty sure guaranteed money runs out after this season. Flacco could be cut after the season

[msstate7]

Mayfield needs 3 td passes to break Peyton's rookie td pass record. The browns are a win away from having a winning record. Mayfield is 7-6 as the starter on a team that was 4-44 the previous 3 years. Mayfield was the best qb in college last season and the best qb in the draft. Cleveland made the correct pick. To all the baker haters...

[Goldendawg]

Lamar Jackson will get injured again.

[Pit Bull]

Lamar Jackson was instantly good and will get even better.

[bulldawg28]

Mayfield needs 3 td passes to break Peyton's rookie td pass record. The browns are a win away from having a winning record. Mayfield is 7-6 as the starter on a team that was 4-44 the previous 3 years. Mayfield was the best qb in college last season and the best qb in the draft. Cleveland made the correct pick. To all the baker haters...

As predicted Baker is that man!

[msstate7]

Jackson vs Baker this week. Really hope I get that game