Sankey?s Letter in the gun law.....

[Dawg61]

You aren't thinking this through. Yes it has been law for 7 years but the University has band them in DWS for 7 years. This law makes it a whole hell of a lot easier for people to sue the University and force them to allow guns into the stadium. When this happens it goes against SEC by-laws and bye bye MSU and Ole Miss or either we play every game on the road. That's up to a 9 figure hit to MS economy.

And someone can't make the University do something that will get the University kicked out of the SEC. So if they sue the University all the University has to do is sue them right back for trying to force them to do something that will get MSU removed from the SEC. If some dickhead wants to play hardball vs MSU over being allowed to carry a gun into the stadium they are going to end up with a gigantic lawyer bill and waste 5 years in a courtroom just to lose. You can't force a University to get kicked out of the SEC just for you to be able to bring a gun into the stadium.

[Coach007]

MSU is not a business. They are a publicly funded institution. Not a private business. A private business can decide what is allowed on their property the same as a private landowner. This bill does nothing to change that so no private business will have any standing to sue. The government, in this case, has said that enhanced carry holders can bring weapons into stadiums. That is the regulation they made in 2011 and confirmed by our AG in 2013 in an opinion to the city of Corinth. All this bill does is give EC holders the right to sue a university if they deny entry to a sporting event which is currently legal in the state of MS. It neither rewrites nor supercedes any existing law. It is identical in nature to when they passed a law verifying open carry and concealed carry without a permit was legal in MS and had been since the 1800s. It didn?t change any existing law; only clarified and reaffirmed existing law already on the books. Those that think this is a bad idea need to lobby their reps to change the 2011 law. That?s the one you should be upset over.

I was about to post that guns are carried and people never know it. This is not a knew law

[Spiderman]

Every hs game I've been to over the last 7 years has a sign clearing stating no weapons allowed.

Open carry and regular concealed carry are subject to that ban. State law says I'm not

[Coach007]

SEC bylaws aren't subject to Mississippi law. It's a voluntary organization. You abide by what the members pass, or you are out. It's the same as the NCAA. Legal precedent is very settled here Spider. If they vote to kick us out we are out. If they vote to force us to play on the road till the law is changed, we do it, or get out. So those FACTS being stated, which is it? Are you in favor of SEC memebership and SEC home games, or are you against them? That's all that matters as for as MSU athletics is concerened on this question. That's been my point this whole time. You have never once answered this simple question. All it would take as for as that is concerened is to allow gun bans at SEC events. You could still carry your gun into a courthouse, as stupid as that is.

And it's a valid point. However, IT would lead to a huge court battle and it will be the SEC that loses.

[Spiderman]

A lot of people would change their stance if every Muslim in the US bought an AR15 and started walking around with it. Most people are fine as long as it is a good old boy even though most of the mass shootings are mentally deranged white guys.

If the Muslim is an American citizen, I have no problem with it

[Dawg61]

That wasn't my question. My question was to your assertion that the 2nd wasn't meant for "X".

I asked where the limitation is within the 2nd.

They didn't write very long back then considering it was 100 years before the light bulb was invented and they had to get back home on their horses to tend to the families and check on the livestock.

[Spiderman]

Again, I see no need in bringing one.... but other feel differently and the fact is it's their right.

Somebody mentioned that the colleg games are considered soft targets.

I can assure you that I do not trust a security guard over my own ability. I can assure you there is NOT enough enforcement at games.

well said, and 100% correct

[Liverpooldawg]

No, of course I don?t want that. And I dont think it would come to that simply because it?s been a law for 7 years now and it?s never even been mentioned.

Once again, you are wrong about that. It is and always has been against the rules of stadium entry at MSU. What this law does is make those rules unenforceable by law. That is the change. If you advocate that change applying to SEC venues in Mississippi, then you are against MSU playing SEC home games, and probabaly eventually being a memeber of the SEC, by default. You can't have it both ways according to Sankey, and he speaks for the membership, including MSU, (see Keenum's statement). Thus may wind up being 1963 all over again. What is more important to you, carrying a gun into what eventually will be a disused stadium. Or seeing MSU playing at home? That's your choice here.

[starkvegasdawg]

You aren't thinking this through. Yes it has been law for 7 years but the University has band them in DWS for 7 years. This law makes it a whole hell of a lot easier for people to sue the University and force them to allow guns into the stadium. When this happens it goes against SEC by-laws and bye bye MSU and Ole Miss or either we play every game on the road. That's up to a 9 figure hit to MS economy.

I have thought it through. And you are right that this bill will make it easier to sue. That?s the whole intent because colleges banning them is illegal. But I seriously doubt when push comes to shove that the SEC will force us to play all road games or give us the boot for being mandated to obey state law.

[Liverpooldawg]

Open carry and regular concealed carry are subject to that ban. State law says I'm not

State law as it stands says you are. You have been misinformed.

[Liverpooldawg]

Ok, we and OM would just go quietly.

Jesus

We wouldn't have a choice. It's a voluntary organization a NCAA. That's well settled law Spider. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[Liverpooldawg]

State law and the attorney general say otherwise, but stranger things have happened.

No, they don't. That's what you can't get through your head.

[starkvegasdawg]

Once again, you are wrong about that. It is and always has been against the rules of stadium entry at MSU. What this law does is make those rules unenforceable by law. That is the change. If you advocate that change applying to SEC venues in Mississippi, then you are against MSU playing SEC home games, and probabaly eventually being a memeber of the SEC, by default. You can't have it both ways according to Sankey, and he speaks for the membership, including MSU, (see Keenum's statement). Thus may wind up being 1963 all over again. What is more important to you, carrying a gun into what eventually will be a disused stadium. Or seeing MSU playing at home? That's your choice here.

But those rules are against state law and legally unenforceable. It?s just that no one has pushed the issue until now. I really don?t think the SEC will play that card if this law is passed. It is none of their business and will open them up to being sued.

[msstate7]

We wouldn't have a choice. It's a voluntary organization a NCAA. That's well settled law Spider. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

So the commissioner can boot a charter member?

[Liverpooldawg]

You aren't thinking this through. Yes it has been law for 7 years but the University has band them in DWS for 7 years. This law makes it a whole hell of a lot easier for people to sue the University and force them to allow guns into the stadium. When this happens it goes against SEC by-laws and bye bye MSU and Ole Miss or either we play every game on the road. That's up to a 9 figure hit to MS economy.

This is what they refuse to acknowledge because they are scared to go anywhere without their guns.

[Coach007]

MSU has different alcohol rules than the city of Starkville and MSU has it's own post office code. Pretty sure MSU can ban firearms from campus and it'd hold up in court.

You are wrong. It's already been to court

Court of Appeal rules UNF cannot prohibit guns on campus

the 1st District Court of Appeal has ruled the University of North Florida cannot prohibit guns from being kept in cars parked on campus.

It's been tried in Colorado too.

Campus Gun Ban Struck Down

The University of Colorado will have to allow concealed carry after a Supreme Court ruling declared its Board of Regents can't ban weapons from campuses.

In Oregon too!

You can not infringe upon the rights of citizens.

[Spiderman]

We wouldn't have a choice. It's a voluntary organization a NCAA. That's well settled law Spider. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

We are a charter member, they will not throw us out. Y'all are as scared of a veiled threat as you are law abiding citizens carrying a gun you have never even seen

[starkvegasdawg]

No, they don't. That's what you can't get through your head.

I read the 17ing opinion from the AG. It is exactly correct. That?s what you can?t get through your head.

Here is that opinion. Pay special attention to point 4.

http://www.ago.state.ms.us/releases/...ify-gun-carry/

[Spiderman]

State law as it stands says you are. You have been misinformed.

Might want to read the law again and show me where the state law bans me, as an EC holder, from doing so.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm not scared. Just refuse to not be prepared and at the mercy of others to hurt or protect me and my family.

Well then you have no business going places where your paranoia is against the rules. If I was that fearful I wouldn't let my family near such a place. Why do you? By the way, don't go to Europe. Try late night ride on the Tube for an hour across London sometime.