Sankey?s Letter in the gun law.....

[starkvegasdawg]

It DOES change the law. It effectively removes the rihpght of businesses and others to set their own rules for attendance. The courts have repeatedly said that governments and private entities DO have the right to regulate firearms in a reasonable manner. If this passes it will be challenged in federal court by MSU and Ole Miss and numerous private entities. They WILL win. It's stupid and foolish, and ultimately futile.

MSU is not a business. They are a publicly funded institution. Not a private business. A private business can decide what is allowed on their property the same as a private landowner. This bill does nothing to change that so no private business will have any standing to sue. The government, in this case, has said that enhanced carry holders can bring weapons into stadiums. That is the regulation they made in 2011 and confirmed by our AG in 2013 in an opinion to the city of Corinth. All this bill does is give EC holders the right to sue a university if they deny entry to a sporting event which is currently legal in the state of MS. It neither rewrites nor supercedes any existing law. It is identical in nature to when they passed a law verifying open carry and concealed carry without a permit was legal in MS and had been since the 1800s. It didn?t change any existing law; only clarified and reaffirmed existing law already on the books. Those that think this is a bad idea need to lobby their reps to change the 2011 law. That?s the one you should be upset over.

[Liverpooldawg]

Think about it rationally... what would happen it the SEC does that? You don't think 100 lawsuits would be filed in MISSISSIPPI to block that? If would be a court fight lasting years and years.

SEC bylaws aren't subject to Mississippi law. It's a voluntary organization. You abide by what the members pass, or you are out. It's the same as the NCAA. Legal precedent is very settled here Spider. If they vote to kick us out we are out. If they vote to force us to play on the road till the law is changed, we do it, or get out. So those FACTS being stated, which is it? Are you in favor of SEC memebership and SEC home games, or are you against them? That's all that matters as for as MSU athletics is concerened on this question. That's been my point this whole time. You have never once answered this simple question. All it would take as for as that is concerened is to allow gun bans at SEC events. You could still carry your gun into a courthouse, as stupid as that is.

[Liverpooldawg]

Try taking a gun on a plane. See what happens.

Ask Haley Barbour on that one. Lol.

[Liverpooldawg]

MSU is not a business. They are a publicly funded institution. Not a private business. A private business can decide what is allowed on their property the same as a private landowner. This bill does nothing to change that so no private business will have any standing to sue. The government, in this case, has said that enhanced carry holders can bring weapons into stadiums. That is the regulation they made in 2011 and confirmed by our AG in 2013 in an opinion to the city of Corinth. All this bill does is give EC holders the right to sue a university if they deny entry to a sporting event which is currently legal in the state of MS. It neither rewrites nor supercedes any existing law. It is identical in nature to when they passed a law verifying open carry and concealed carry without a permit was legal in MS and had been since the 1800s. It didn?t change any existing law; only clarified and reaffirmed existing law already on the books. Those that think this is a bad idea need to lobby their reps to change the 2011 law. That?s the one you should be upset over.

Never argued it was. MSU athletics, as a memeber of the SEC, IS subject to SEC bylaws as voted by the memebership though. If we don't abide by their rules then we suffer the consequences. What you are advocating will eventually result in at least playing every SEC game on the road. It eventually will result in expulsion from the league. Is that what you want? You have YET to address this question in this thread.

[Dawg61]

MSU is not a business. They are a publicly funded institution. Not a private business. A private business can decide what is allowed on their property the same as a private landowner. This bill does nothing to change that so no private business will have any standing to sue. The government, in this case, has said that enhanced carry holders can bring weapons into stadiums. That is the regulation they made in 2011 and confirmed by our AG in 2013 in an opinion to the city of Corinth. All this bill does is give EC holders the right to sue a university if they deny entry to a sporting event which is currently legal in the state of MS. It neither rewrites nor supercedes any existing law. It is identical in nature to when they passed a law verifying open carry and concealed carry without a permit was legal in MS and had been since the 1800s. It didn?t change any existing law; only clarified and reaffirmed existing law already on the books. Those that think this is a bad idea need to lobby their reps to change the 2011 law. That?s the one you should be upset over.

MSU has different alcohol rules than the city of Starkville and MSU has it's own post office code. Pretty sure MSU can ban firearms from campus and it'd hold up in court.

[starkvegasdawg]

Never argued it was. MSU athletics, as a memeber of the SEC, IS subject to SEC bylaws as voted by the memebership though. If we don't abide by their rules then we suffer the consequences. What you are advocating will eventually result in at least playing every SEC game on the road. It eventually will result in expulsion from the league. Is that what you want? You have YET to address this question in this thread.

No, of course I don?t want that. And I dont think it would come to that simply because it?s been a law for 7 years now and it?s never even been mentioned.

[starkvegasdawg]

MSU has different alcohol rules than the city of Starkville and MSU has it's own post office code. Pretty sure MSU can ban firearms from campus and it'd hold up in court.

State law and the attorney general say otherwise, but stranger things have happened.

[Spiderman]

If this passes or is upheld me and my family won?t be attending sporting events in MS again. I?m all for the freedom to carry a firearm but a large, full stadium or arena is THE epitome of a soft target and is already impossible to secure without having several hundred extra guns thrown into the mix (with alcohol and emotions thrown in). There is nothing a regular citizen with an enhanced carry can do with a gun in a full stadium that won?t end with him/her hurting innocent bystanders. I don?t many (if any) have regular training for that situation.

I guarantee you you have been sitting by a bunch of people carrying in games. AGAIN, it has been allowed for years. If you are scared of licensed holders, you probably shouldn't leave your house.

[Spiderman]

1) ECL folks aren't trained anywhere near the level of LEO. Period end of discussion.

2) Every professional team and high school venue bans weapons so why can't colleges?

3) Is it worth the risk of losing the 9 figures a year that college athletics brings into the state of MS?

4) It's funny seeing the tea party argue against their own arguments used for other bills passed in prior years.

Its legal to carry to HS games too id you have EC

[Liverpooldawg]

MSU will do whatever it needs to not get kicked out of the SEC. Allowing guns in stadiums isn't more important to MSU than staying in the SEC. You're getting worked up over nothing.

I totally agree 61, MSU will do all it can as evidenced by Dr. Keenum's statement. The thing is MSU may not be able to make that decision. It is subject to State law. The SEC isn't.

[Coach007]

Try taking a gun on a plane. See what happens.

That wasn't my question. My question was to your assertion that the 2nd wasn't meant for "X".

I asked where the limitation is within the 2nd.

[Liverpooldawg]

Its legal to carry to HS games too id you have EC

Yes, but they can kick you out for doing so, as it stands now. They just can't arrest you, unless you decide to resist being kicked out.

[WinningIsRelentless]

No, of course I don?t want that. And I dont think it would come to that simply because it?s been a law for 7 years now and it?s never even been mentioned.

You aren't thinking this through. Yes it has been law for 7 years but the University has band them in DWS for 7 years. This law makes it a whole hell of a lot easier for people to sue the University and force them to allow guns into the stadium. When this happens it goes against SEC by-laws and bye bye MSU and Ole Miss or either we play every game on the road. That's up to a 9 figure hit to MS economy.

[Spiderman]

MSU is not a business. They are a publicly funded institution. Not a private business. A private business can decide what is allowed on their property the same as a private landowner. This bill does nothing to change that so no private business will have any standing to sue. The government, in this case, has said that enhanced carry holders can bring weapons into stadiums. That is the regulation they made in 2011 and confirmed by our AG in 2013 in an opinion to the city of Corinth. All this bill does is give EC holders the right to sue a university if they deny entry to a sporting event which is currently legal in the state of MS. It neither rewrites nor supercedes any existing law. It is identical in nature to when they passed a law verifying open carry and concealed carry without a permit was legal in MS and had been since the 1800s. It didn?t change any existing law; only clarified and reaffirmed existing law already on the books. Those that think this is a bad idea need to lobby their reps to change the 2011 law. That?s the one you should be upset over.

Might as well quit trying to logically lay this out for 99% of the ones on here.

It's like they can't understand this.

I propose if you haven't read the law, you shouldn't post. And if they don't like it, sue the state and take it to the MS Supreme Court.

Damn

[Liverpooldawg]

I guarantee you you have been sitting by a bunch of people carrying in games. AGAIN, it has been allowed for years. If you are scared of licensed holders, you probably should leave your house.

And if you are scared to leave your house without your gun, you probabaly shouldn't leave your house. Once again it isn't allowed at SEC venues. You would have been kicked out had they known you had a gun.

[Spiderman]

SEC bylaws aren't subject to Mississippi law. It's a voluntary organization. You abide by what the members pass, or you are out. It's the same as the NCAA. Legal precedent is very settled here Spider. If they vote to kick us out we are out. If they vote to force us to play on the road till the law is changed, we do it, or get out. So those FACTS being stated, which is it? Are you in favor of SEC memebership and SEC home games, or are you against them? That's all that matters as for as MSU athletics is concerened on this question. That's been my point this whole time. You have never once answered this simple question. All it would take as for as that is concerened is to allow gun bans at SEC events. You could still carry your gun into a courthouse, as stupid as that is.

Ok, we and OM would just go quietly.

Jesus

[WinningIsRelentless]

No, of course I don?t want that. And I dont think it would come to that simply because it?s been a law for 7 years now and it?s never even been mentioned.

Yes, but they can kick you out for doing so, as it stands now. They just can't arrest you, unless you decide to resist being kicked out.

Every hs game I've been to over the last 7 years has a sign clearing stating no weapons allowed.

[Tbonewannabe]

And I?m a gun owner who enjoys shooting, and has taught his children to shoot,who is somewhere to the left of Bernie Sanders, and I do as well. You want a concealed carry permit, there should be licensing, training, and qualifications. You want enhanced cc, then that level of training needs to be at a very high level - boarderline professional. You want to collect and shoot military grade weapons - then you need all of that, secure storage, and insurance. I?d bet most of you have similar opinions. Letting ALEC and the NRA push us into guns, guns everywhere is just as bad as many liberals push to take them away.

A lot of people would change their stance if every Muslim in the US bought an AR15 and started walking around with it. Most people are fine as long as it is a good old boy even though most of the mass shootings are mentally deranged white guys.

[Coach007]

1) ECL folks aren't trained anywhere near the level of LEO. Period end of discussion.

2) Every professional team and high school venue bans weapons so why can't colleges?

3) Is it worth the risk of losing the 9 figures a year that college athletics brings into the state of MS?

4) It's funny seeing the tea party argue against their own arguments used for other bills passed in prior years.

Again, I see no need in bringing one.... but other feel differently and the fact is it's their right.

Somebody mentioned that the colleg games are considered soft targets.

I can assure you that I do not trust a security guard over my own ability. I can assure you there is NOT enough enforcement at games.

[Spiderman]

And if you are scared to leave your house without your gun, you probabaly shouldn't leave your house. Once again it isn't allowed at SEC venues. You would have been kicked out had they known you had a gun.

I'm not scared. Just refuse to not be prepared and at the mercy of others to hurt or protect me and my family.