2nd hand from the Admin

[engie]

If we finish with a loss in the Egg Bowl, we won't be selling out DWS no matter who the coach is. And firing Mullen isn't going to get us an upgrade in the coaching department.

I remember it selling out pretty regularly in 2009 for the first time since the east upper deck was built.

We aren't getting Hud.

Strangely only the most ardent Mullen supporters are the only ones privy to this "inside information". Notice -- it's only YOUR SIDE that's bringing up his name at all here.

Yet those of us that expect to want to go another direction are "the problem" around here**

Just curious, were you on the fire Cohen bandwagon last year?

LOL. About that. Let's check my perspective on things. Since I'm apparently just a ridiculous lunatic fringe that always wants the coach fired**
ALOT of solid gold in these.

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[engie]

Lifetime contract my ass.... Do it this year, but have a down year the next? Yo ass is on the hotseat and half the fanbase will turn against you. Not only do you have to do better than any coach has ever been able to do in our history, you have to outdo YOURSELF and then repeat.
"So you've taken us to more bowl games in a shorter time than any coach in our history? Who gives a shit. You had a down year. MSU should NEVER have a down year! Your ass is gone, bitch!"

Laughable

33-30(14-26) = Lifetime contract!!1!1 Can't get rid of that coach!!1!1

[Pollodawg]

Is this info sort of like the "Maroon Tidal Wave/Typhoon" shit from last recruiting season?

[Pollodawg]

People keep saying that Mullen is a victim of his own success. No, he isn't. He is a victim of his own hubris.

[Dawgface]

This all sounds like planted information to me.

I know you are just the messenger, but it seems awfully convenient that they want to get the message out that Mullen is safe AND Hud is headed somewhere else.

Color me suspicious.

Agree.

[MadDawg]

Laughable

33-30(14-26) = Lifetime contract!!1!1 Can't get rid of that coach!!1!1

Somehow we have come to believe we can be Alabama if we just fire enough coaches.

[Tbonewannabe]

Somehow we have come to believe we can be Alabama if we just fire enough coaches.

I think we have come to believe we can at least be competitive.

#11 MSST 0 0 0 7 7
#1 ALA 14 10 0 14 38

We hardly crossed the 50 yard line last year. Everyone believed we were saving something for Bama since we weren't looking very good against the teams we were beating. We ended up just being a team that was just a little better than bottom of the barrel.

[engie]

Somehow we have come to believe we can be Alabama if we just fire enough coaches.

Ah -- there is the trusty straw man Alabama argument**

Hey -- get within 5% either way of our HISTORICAL AVERAGE with 20x the money -- lifetime contract.

[Todd4State]

People keep saying that Mullen is a victim of his own success. No, he isn't. He is a victim of his own hubris.

BAM! Spot on. When I did my post about a week ago about who we should be playing, I basically agreed with our coaches on about half of the players. And I think most posters agreed with me for the most part on my picks- aside from maybe starting Tyler.

But my point is EVERYONE can see the issues, but Dan just keeps doing the same thing over and over without making any adjustments whatsoever.

[Percho]

My stance doesn't change because you invent "flaws." No, I don't believe that we are an elite team, but that doesn't mean I don't want us to be. No, I'm not ignoring the finish of last season, but other than the bowl and the Egg Bowl, there wasn't a bad loss and we played alot of GOOD teams. No, I don't believe that firing Mullen is "best for MSU," mainly because I am pretty certain that we aren't going to get an improvement in coaching by cutting our most successful coach in recent history after one losing season. No, I don't believe that our recruiting is getting worse (although I don't think it's getting better).

All I'm saying is that cutting Mullen loose now would be the worst thing we could do for the program. If we EVER want to have sustained coaching success, we have to create a pattern of support and not cutting our losses as soon as things go poorly. Let's say we do fire him this year and somehow the almighty HUD comes in and has a winning season. Why would he want to stick around if a big boy gives him another offer? Answer: He wouldn't. Why stick around somewhere where you might get run out of town the next year and have NO job when you can go to a better school with more money today where you are pretty sure you'll get a few years at least.If we start firing our successful coaches because of down years, we will become a springboard for coaches to move from the ULLs of the world to the UFs of the world.

You sir are correct. I am 70 been a bulldog for 50 of those and this is exactly what we have been doing for those 50 years. Go and look. We change coaches, The new guy wins with the other coaches guys, then losses and what do we do. Change coaches. Eight coaches in 50 years. 6 x 8 = 48 Case closed.

[CadaverDawg]

I think we have come to believe we can at least be competitive.

#11 MSST 0 0 0 7 7
#1 ALA 14 10 0 14 38

We hardly crossed the 50 yard line last year. Everyone believed we were saving something for Bama since we weren't looking very good against the teams we were beating. We ended up just being a team that was just a little better than bottom of the barrel.

Yep. 2 straight years of suck. If we hadn't had the easiest non con schedule in the country last year, plus Auburn sucking, Ark sucking, and Tennessee sucking.....the Mullen defenders would be singing a different tune. Unfortunately ey're all blind as shit and can't read between the lines. By the way....what did those 3 teams do when their coaches sucked for a season or two? Yep, every damn one of em was fired. But by all means, let's keep talking up that big 8-5 season last year. It is ridiculous.

[maroonmania]

Our fans bitched about going to the damn Gator Bowl- that's insane for our people supporting our program to act like that

Coach, you are really losing me with some of your logic. Just as some of Stan's ridiculously weak basketball schedules should not have shrouded some of the problems with his basketball program the same EXACT thing should be said about our football results. The glorious Gator Bowl trip last year was built on beating 2 Sun Belt teams with losing records, a SWAC team, 4 SEC teams with a combined SEC record of 3-29 (only got those 3 wins because somebody HAD to win when those 4 played each other) and our one glorious win over mighty MTSU who did finish 8-4 but got no bowl bid. Now if Stans had built a good record over a bunch of nobodies and then got knocked out of the NCAA tournament in the first round (sort of like our bowl loss) you would have been all over his ass, but somehow you are willing to continue to give Mullen a pass. Heck, at least for the first half of Stans' tenure he actually had some teams that were legitimately good that actually beat other GOOD teams. Besides maybe one year (2010) Mullen hasn't really had that at all. NOBODY is asking Mullen to compete for championships but since 2010 under him we don't really do much with any SEC team unless they are in a severe down cycle. So bring him on back for another year if you want, which I can live with if we aren't bringing in Hud, but after 5 years I pretty much know what I'm getting with him and that's a minor bowl to no bowl which is TOTALLY dependent on the number of teams with a pulse on the schedule. But hey, we're just MSU, we shouldn't expect any better results and should feel fortunate we beat bad teams.

[Todd4State]

Also this is NOTHING like Cohen and a few people wanting him fired. Most of those people were during Cohen's first two years when we were having losing seasons and I think some people had the thought "well, Polk may have been right after all" based on the on the field results and the clashing that was going on between Cohen and some of the players. But how many people actually wanted Cohen fired the past three years? Not very many.

But the biggest difference is Cohen's teams have objectively improved and he has recruited very well- really he has recruited well the entire time he has been here.

Dan started out well the first two years, and then whatever happened and we have gotten unexplainably predictable on offense to go along with baffling personnel decisions. And it has gotten worse every year.

[CadaverDawg]

You sir are correct. I am 70 been a bulldog for 50 of those and this is exactly what we have been doing for those 50 years. Go and look. We change coaches, The new guy wins with the other coaches guys, then losses and what do we do. Change coaches. Eight coaches in 50 years. 6 x 8 = 48 Case closed.

Umm....have you ever thought that maybe we shouldn't hang on to these guys so long that they take us all the way back down to the bottom of the league before we fire them? My God, it is easy to see why we always have sucked and always will suck. Even the people that have seen the same cycle over and over and over and over for 70 damn years, can't even see what needs to be done...but instead want to repeat it AGAIN! Percho, what happens if Mullen wins 5 next year and then 3 the next? Keep holding on? I mean, surely that's the problem right? We aren't letting these coaches deep enough into the shitter to eventually miraculously climb out of it, right?

Ho. Ly. Smokes. Sometimes I just shake my head at the comments I read.

[Todd4State]

You sir are correct. I am 70 been a bulldog for 50 of those and this is exactly what we have been doing for those 50 years. Go and look. We change coaches, The new guy wins with the other coaches guys, then losses and what do we do. Change coaches. Eight coaches in 50 years. 6 x 8 = 48 Case closed.

You know how you fix that? Bring in a guy that can recruit right off the bat. Mississippi is just different as far as recruiting. You have to make connections- and I mean beyond what you normally would in most any other state. And no- I'm not talking about dirty recruiting even. You have to know people that can help you. Most coaches don't figure this out until it's too late.

[CadaverDawg]

Coach, you are really losing me with some of your logic. Just as some of Stan's ridiculously weak basketball schedules should not have shrouded some of the problems with his basketball program the same EXACT thing should be said about our football results. The glorious Gator Bowl trip last year was built on beating 2 Sun Belt teams with losing records, a SWAC team, 4 SEC teams with a combined SEC record of 3-29 (only got those 3 wins because somebody HAD to win when those 4 played each other) and our one glorious win over mighty MTSU who did finish 8-4 but got no bowl bid. Now if Stans had built a good record over a bunch of nobodies and then got knocked out of the NCAA tournament in the first round (sort of like our bowl loss) you would have been all over his ass, but somehow you are willing to continue to give Mullen a pass. Heck, at least for the first half of Stans' tenure he actually had some teams that were legitimately good that actually beat other GOOD teams. Besides maybe one year (2010) Mullen hasn't really had that at all. NOBODY is asking Mullen to compete for championships but since 2010 under him we don't really do much with any SEC team unless they are in a severe down cycle. So bring him on back for another year if you want, which I can live with if we aren't bringing in Hud, but after 5 years I pretty much know what I'm getting with him and that's a minor bowl to no bowl which is TOTALLY dependent on the number of teams with a pulse on the schedule. But hey, we're just MSU, we shouldn't expect any better results and should feel fortunate we beat bad teams.

Strong post. VERY strong.

[Tbonewannabe]

Also this is NOTHING like Cohen and a few people wanting him fired. Most of those people were during Cohen's first two years when we were having losing seasons and I think some people had the thought "well, Polk may have been right after all" based on the on the field results and the clashing that was going on between Cohen and some of the players. But how many people actually wanted Cohen fired the past three years? Not very many.

But the biggest difference is Cohen's teams have objectively improved and he has recruited very well- really he has recruited well the entire time he has been here.

Dan started out well the first two years, and then whatever happened and we have gotten unexplainably predictable on offense to go along with baffling personnel decisions. And it has gotten worse every year.

All I needed to know about Cohen's first years were, he had to use the senior right fielder who hadn't pitched since high school to close out a SEC game. Polk didn't have many pitchers on the roster that would have made a Juco team. That would be like if when Dan took over we didn't have an Olineman bigger than 220 lbs.

[Coach34]

Coach, you are really losing me with some of your logic.

We were 4-4 in the SEC last season. It doesnt matter what their combined record was. We were 4-4 in the SEC. That's like saying Bama shouldnt be ranked as high because they have beaten Tenn, Kentucky, and UPig already and those teams arent very good. The SEC is the SEC

It's retarded to try and compare basketball to football- you can't. It's a different world in the SEC. SEC football = Big East basketball

[HancockCountyDog]

Im still on the Mullen bandwagon - (Though one more Read option with Russell may do me in) - But this is the issue with me, assuming we lose this weekend, Mullen's SEC record will be 14-24; Croom's was 10-30;

Croom is widely considered the worst coach in our history. No one can argue that Croom inherited a terrible recruiting class from Jackie and overall the program was probably at it's lowest point. Mullen inherited the best recruiting class of the last decade and a roster that had multiple NFL draft picks and a QB that fit his offense extremely well.

If he ends the season with a 14-26 SEC record, how does he keep his job? He will have achieved a .8 SEC game win per season improvement from the worst coach in our history, while OM fielded two of the worst bear teams of all time, Ky was terrible, worst AU team in 50 years, a terrible UPig program, and we got UT with Dooley. That is my biggest issue - he should be doing more. Being better than Croom really doesn't do much for me.

[engie]

You sir are correct. I am 70 been a bulldog for 50 of those and this is exactly what we have been doing for those 50 years. Go and look. We change coaches, The new guy wins with the other coaches guys, then losses and what do we do. Change coaches. Eight coaches in 50 years. 6 x 8 = 48 Case closed.

How many teams -- even the uber-successful ones -- have had fewer than 8 coaches in 50 years?