2nd hand from the Admin

[EAVdog]

It's not like this year is the only year we can hire a new coach. The argument that if we don't fire Mullen right away then we've accepted Mediocrity is kind of stupid. Even Florida fans, who are the craziest of crazy, are going to give Muschamp another year. If next year we don't see improvement then you just part ways.

I feel pretty confident that changes if necessary will be made within the staff and the change back to a more Florida type Offense is already taking place which I think should help. This all just reminds me of the Fire Cohen movement.

[The Croom Diaries]

Obviously the admin is going to try to control the message and maintain positivity by putting out the word that Mullen is completely safe. They just want everyone to shut up about it and dissipate all the negativity by getting people to support Mullen until the end of the season. So they've told the media and everyone else that Mullen is safe so they'll get the word out. But if we go 4-8 he is gone - there is just no doubt about it, that's completely unacceptable in today's SEC with all the advantages with regards to money, recruiting, etc. the SEC provides us. Stricklin has the balls to do it, he fired our winningest basketball coach after a 20 win season when the crowd was about 50/50 on that as well.

[engie]

In MSU's history, a bowl is a bowl is a bowl.

I know you want him gone and I know it pisses you off because it isn't happening, but it's not life we have the money or prestige to upgrade after a single losing season.

100% of this is incorrect.

70 teams make bowls now. Glad we can finish in the top 70 3 of 5 times**

Don't have the money or prestige? Ridiculous. The better question is -- do we have the money to keep him? We finish with a loss in the Egg and don't make a bowl, we won't be selling out season tickets in the freshly expanded Davis Wade -- and may not even sell out the Clubs.

[Madkinmecrazy]

This isn't about what I want...this is about me pointing out the flaws in your stance, and wanting what is best for MSU. Look beyond the current and into the future of this program. Recruiting is going down, wins are going down, on field decisions are getting worse, etc... What makes you think a switch is going to flip and we will turn the clock back to 2010?

My stance doesn't change because you invent "flaws." No, I don't believe that we are an elite team, but that doesn't mean I don't want us to be. No, I'm not ignoring the finish of last season, but other than the bowl and the Egg Bowl, there wasn't a bad loss and we played alot of GOOD teams. No, I don't believe that firing Mullen is "best for MSU," mainly because I am pretty certain that we aren't going to get an improvement in coaching by cutting our most successful coach in recent history after one losing season. No, I don't believe that our recruiting is getting worse (although I don't think it's getting better).

All I'm saying is that cutting Mullen loose now would be the worst thing we could do for the program. If we EVER want to have sustained coaching success, we have to create a pattern of support and not cutting our losses as soon as things go poorly. Let's say we do fire him this year and somehow the almighty HUD comes in and has a winning season. Why would he want to stick around if a big boy gives him another offer? Answer: He wouldn't. Why stick around somewhere where you might get run out of town the next year and have NO job when you can go to a better school with more money today where you are pretty sure you'll get a few years at least.If we start firing our successful coaches because of down years, we will become a springboard for coaches to move from the ULLs of the world to the UFs of the world.

[SignalToNoise]

This all sounds like planted information to me.

I know you are just the messenger, but it seems awfully convenient that they want to get the message out that Mullen is safe AND Hud is headed somewhere else.

Color me suspicious.

[Madkinmecrazy]

100% of this is incorrect.

70 teams make bowls now. Glad we can finish in the top 70 3 of 5 times**

Don't have the money or prestige? Ridiculous. The better question is -- do we have the money to keep him? We finish with a loss in the Egg and don't make a bowl, we won't be selling out season tickets in the freshly expanded Davis Wade -- and may not even sell out the Clubs.

If we finish with a loss in the Egg Bowl, we won't be selling out DWS no matter who the coach is. And firing Mullen isn't going to get us an upgrade in the coaching department.

We aren't getting Hud.

Just curious, were you on the fire Cohen bandwagon last year?

[CadaverDawg]

My stance doesn't change because you invent "flaws." No, I don't believe that we are an elite team, but that doesn't mean I don't want us to be. No, I'm not ignoring the finish of last season, but other than the bowl and the Egg Bowl, there wasn't a bad loss and we played alot of GOOD teams. No, I don't believe that firing Mullen is "best for MSU," mainly because I am pretty certain that we aren't going to get an improvement in coaching by cutting our most successful coach in recent history after one losing season. No, I don't believe that our recruiting is getting worse (although I don't think it's getting better).

All I'm saying is that cutting Mullen loose now would be the worst thing we could do for the program. If we EVER want to have sustained coaching success, we have to create a pattern of support and not cutting our losses as soon as things go poorly. Let's say we do fire him this year and somehow the almighty HUD comes in and has a winning season. Why would he want to stick around if a big boy gives him another offer? Answer: He wouldn't. Why stick around somewhere where you might get run out of town the next year and have NO job when you can go to a better school with more money today where you are pretty sure you'll get a few years at least.If we start firing our successful coaches because of down years, we will become a springboard for coaches to move from the ULLs of the world to the UFs of the world.

I hope this isn't the feelings of a majority of our fans. If it is, then we deserve to be mediocre, and none of you should be upset when we lose or when we underachieve. Hell, that's all you expect.

There is so much fail in your post, that I didn't feel like dissecting it

[CadaverDawg]

This all sounds like planted information to me.

I know you are just the messenger, but it seems awfully convenient that they want to get the message out that Mullen is safe AND Hud is headed somewhere else.

Color me suspicious.

Yep

[DawgsBite34]

There is no chance in hell he comes back if we lose out, I don't think theres any chance he comes back if we lose to Ole Miss. If he does, expect to see a brand new expansion only about halfway filled at the most.

[DawgInMemphis]

I vote to have the term "dumpster fire" banned from this board. I feel like it has run it's course... we should be more creative than that.

[engie]

It's not like this year is the only year we can hire a new coach. The argument that if we don't fire Mullen right away then we've accepted Mediocrity is kind of stupid.

In general, I would agree with this. But what do you do when he goes 6-6 next year in spite of an 8-win schedule? Can you fire a bowl coach at MSU? I say you can't. Talk about "hard to hire a coach at MSU" -- what happens if you fire him then? So, in spite of a 2ish-game underperformance for THREE straight years --likely with 3 straight losses in the Egg -- and 3 straight OM dominated recruiting classes -- he's coming back for the 4th year.

Even Florida fans, who are the craziest of crazy, are going to give Muschamp another year. If next year we don't see improvement then you just part ways.

This is ridiculous to even say at this point. Muschamp is not any more guaranteed another year than Mullen is. He gets blown out by FSU -- heads are going to roll. Fact is -- he was also a gnats ass away from playing for a National Title last year.

I feel pretty confident that changes if necessary will be made within the staff and the change back to a more Florida type Offense is already taking place which I think should help.

Why would he suddenly "fix" this -- after the problems have been obvious since 2011? LAST YEAR was the window to make staff changes. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY to make our problems any more obvious than they became in the final 6 last year. Are our problems as obvious to you this year? Because they aren't as obvious to me. Not beyond Dan's on-field ridiculous playcalling, clock-management, and personnel usage -- which is ALL on him.

This all just reminds me of the Fire Cohen movement.

I don't see any similarities at all.

[MadDawg]

Lifetime contract if you can just win 7 of 18.

Yeah -- I'd call that pretty damn attractive.

Lifetime contract my ass.... Do it this year, but have a down year the next? Yo ass is on the hotseat and half the fanbase will turn against you. Not only do you have to do better than any coach has ever been able to do in our history, you have to outdo YOURSELF and then repeat.
"So you've taken us to more bowl games in a shorter time than any coach in our history? Who gives a shit. You had a down year. MSU should NEVER have a down year! Your ass is gone, bitch!"

[MadDawg]

This "no one will want to take the job" line is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. We are in the SEC and can offer a top 20 salary.

Better invest those 7-figures wisely. Because in 4-5 years you will lose it and never earn that much again in your lifetime. If I was a young coach (read: not within 10 years of retirement) I wouldn't touch MSU and it's deluded, fickle fanbase with a 10 foot pole.

[Coach34]

Our fans bitched about going to the damn Gator Bowl- that's insane for our people supporting our program to act like that

[Drugdog]

I will bet all my vcash Dan is back next year regardless of what happens this year.
We DONT fire coaches who have had decent success. Look at our history.

[CadaverDawg]

I will bet all my vcash Dan is back next year regardless of what happens this year.
We DONT fire coaches who have had decent success. Look at our history.

Yep, and that's why we never maintain any success. We'll keep him, and then 2 years from now we'll be rebuilding. Rinse, repeat

[Goat Holder]

Yep, and that's why we never maintain any success. We'll keep him, and then 2 years from now we'll be rebuilding. Rinse, repeat

2 years from now the best two recruiting classes in a long damn time at MSU will be Jrs. and Srs.

[EAVdog]

In general, I would agree with this. But what do you do when he goes 6-6 next year in spite of an 8-win schedule? Can you fire a bowl coach at MSU? I say you can't. Talk about "hard to hire a coach at MSU" -- what happens if you fire him then? So, in spite of a 2ish-game underperformance for THREE straight years --likely with 3 straight losses in the Egg -- and 3 straight OM dominated recruiting classes -- he's coming back for the 4th year.

This is ridiculous to even say at this point. Muschamp is not any more guaranteed another year than Mullen is. He gets blown out by FSU -- heads are going to roll. Fact is -- he was also a gnats ass away from playing for a National Title last year.

Why would he suddenly "fix" this -- after the problems have been obvious since 2011? LAST YEAR was the window to make staff changes. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY to make our problems any more obvious than they became in the final 6 last year. Are our problems as obvious to you this year? Because they aren't as obvious to me. Not beyond Dan's on-field ridiculous playcalling, clock-management, and personnel usage -- which is ALL on him.



I don't see any similarities at all.

How do you fire a coach for going 6-6, you call him in your office and tell him his services are no longer needed. But you do that from a position of strength. You do that knowing you have a great replacement. Not firing your coach in haste and hoping you can get a Sunbelt Coach to sign on. I think Hud is a good coach but folks who think that is the best we can do are the ones with the Mediocrity Complex.

Foley just came out and gave the same assurances that this message from the AD's office is putting out. No coaches job is assured from week to week. Florida expects to be in the National Championship hunt every year, not being whipped by Vandy at home. Foley knows that there is a point where even talking about change is more destructive than the actual change. Something our fans can't figure out.

So you have forgotten we beat Arkansas last year, pretty handily I might add. If you can't see that Mullen is already making the changes required to correct the offense than I don't know what to say. Look at our QB recruits, do you see any Tyler Russell types? Look at our RB recruits they look a whole lot more like Anthony Dixon/Vick Ballard types don't they? Look at last year's class (and don't worry about Ole Miss for a second). Mullen's main fault is being too self assured, he thought he could transition our team to a passing spread to better fit Russell's abilities. The closest thing we had to the true Florida Zone Read Option was when Relf was healthy. The Offense clicked then and we were able to move the ball, control the clock, convert third downs, and had a good red zone scoring percentage. These have all been issues. However if you dig deeper than just wins and losses and look at our Offensive production this year it's been pretty exceptional. If we take that forward with the younger talent next year and a QB that really fits the system than we should see a 2010 like team/year. We know Mullen can produce those results from prior experience. If he doesn't next year then fire him. Pretty simple.

[Tbonewannabe]

We were in the Gator Bowl last year- that's not a down year at Mississippi State

As to the stupid comment about Crooms- no way we beat Troy, Tennessee...maybe even losing to Auburn with him. We're talking about a coach that never averaged 300 yards of total offense for a season.

Croom was 7-4 when he went to the Liberty Bowl. Troy DOMINATED us in every category but the scoreboard (we won by 6 after scoring on a 4th down TD). UT we won on Banks making an once in a career fumble strip and recovery. Auburn was on the way to quitting on their coach. If Croom had Tyler at QB he might win those. I don't think us completely shitting the bed the last 5 games is automatically ignored because we were in the Gator Bowl. We wouldn't have been in the Gator Bowl if Ark didn't quit on their coach. You realize almost every coach that lost to Mullen got fired right? That tells you those coaches were probably underperforming with their players.

[Tbonewannabe]

Our fans bitched about going to the damn Gator Bowl- that's insane for our people supporting our program to act like that

We also fired our basketball coach after winning 20 games. We didn't give him an opportunity to get the team straight after getting rid of Bost and Sidney.