Cowboys QB Dak Prescott 'not at all' tempted to protest national anthem

[Commercecomet24]

Everything I hear is that all cops are not evil but there are some that need to be trained out of their inherent biases that cause them to be trigger happy when dealing with black people. Also, the grand juries and courts that allow cops that have killed unarmed black people is a huge part of the discontent in BLM.

Jack, why wouldn't you watch NFL when the owners are upholding your view?

Man I wholeheartedly agree that anyone taking a life unjustly needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Absolutely!

I have a brother in law and cousins who are cops and they now have to worry more about coming home alive than ever before because of the media.

It's honestly sad that we all just can't get along.

[Reason2succeed]

Man I wholeheartedly agree that anyone taking a life unjustly needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Absolutely!

I have a brother in law and cousins who are cops and they now have to worry more about coming home alive than ever before because of the media.

It's honestly sad that we all just can't get along.

I pray they have long safe careers and that they never have to take a life in performing their duties.

[Jack Lambert]

Everything I hear is that all cops are not evil but there are some that need to be trained out of their inherent biases that cause them to be trigger happy when dealing with black people. Also, the grand juries and courts that allow cops that have killed unarmed black people is a huge part of the discontent in BLM.

Jack, why wouldn't you watch NFL when the owners are upholding your view?

The owners are allowing it to go on. Hit their pocket books and they will get a new commissioner with a set of balls.

[Commercecomet24]

I pray they have long safe careers and that they never have to take a life in performing their duties.

Amen and thank you! None of them have ever had to yet and pray they don't. My brother in law is a swat team member and been in some tough spots and seen some people kill themselves but he hasn't had to use deadly force yet.

Its why I enjoy open discussion. I enjoy hearing perspectives from folks and I appreciate yours

[Commercecomet24]

Can we all agree Dak is awesome and tsun sucks!

[Reason2succeed]

Can we all agree Dak is awesome and tsun sucks!

Absolutely!!! Don't they get their last win of the season this week?

[Commercecomet24]

Absolutely!!! Don't they get their last win of the season this week?

Lol it sure looks that way!

[BeardoMSU]

Can we all agree Dak is awesome and tsun sucks!

[RocketDawg]

Absolutely!!! Don't they get their last win of the season this week?

I think so. But they looked better than I expected last weekend. Of course, they were only playing USA but we know how that can go.

[Jack Lambert]

I think so. But they looked better than I expected last weekend. Of course, they were only playing USA but we know how that can go.

I have always thought the offense was going to look good this season. Defense is going to be their doing in.

[Commercecomet24]

I have always thought the offense was going to look good this season. Defense is going to be their doing in.

Yeah they gave up points and yards to usa and it was only 13-10 at half. Their o will be ok but their d ain't stopping anyone with a pulse

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Exactly! Many of those are black people who died in every war this country has ever engaged in plus civil rights activists like Medgar Evers in Jackson. His death secured just as much freedom for black people as any soldier in uniform. But honestly I don't think Kap kneeling was a slight on any of them. All I interpreted him as saying is that he did not feel that this country is fair or equal when INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY black people can be killed by police and then the police go scott free.

Back to sports. I don't mind the national anthem being played and I don't even mind the fact that NFL owners choose not to hire a particular person. I just wish people would acknowledge the real issue which is police brutality and stop acting like it is disrespect of a flag or anthem. The truth is that some people don't think that the police are ever wrong in the way that that they handle black people.

"Wrong place wrong time" has historically been code for black people need to know their place. Michael Bennett just had an incident in Las Vegas. How was he at the wrong place at the wrong time? Until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes you shouldn't presume to know what it feels like.

And the truth is some people don't think that hating the po-leece is indoctrinated in certain cultures.

This is a perfect example of the overreaction by BLM and these people who think these guys are really fighting for a cause. Bennett was at a club where shots were fired and cops showed up and ordered everyone to the ground to search and investigate. Bennett didn't stay put and ran. A cop outside the club stopped him and ordered him to the ground at gunpoint. He was detained until they could determine he wasn't involved and then released.

This isn't about the police, it's about authority and civilized norms.

[shoeless joe]

These are the ones I'm referring to btw:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

Those are the ones I was referring to as well. Are there some points in there that make sense...absolutely. But there are also a lot of points that would lead to unabashed anarchy and strip the police of the ability to safely do their job.

These are the points I was talking about, straight off of that sight:

End Policing of Minor "Broken Windows" Offenses

The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
Marijuana Possession
Disorderly Conduct
Trespassing
Loitering
Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
Spitting
Jaywalking
Bicycling on the Sidewalk

From the section on police force:

ban using force on a person for talking back or as punishment for running away

use minimum amount of force to apprehend a subject, with specific guidelines for the types of force and tools authorized for a given level of resistance

Prohibit police officers from:

shooting at moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
moving in front of moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
high-speed chases of people who have not and are not about to commit a violent felony



These are a few examples of things I disagree with. This is not all encompassing. What I'd like to know is how does my disagreeing with these ideas make me into someone that "supports oppressing black people"?

[Quaoarsking]

So apparently Marshawn Lynch has never stood for the national anthem in his life and nobody ever cared until 2017?

[Gutter Cobreh]

By kneeling Kap brought attention to an issue that the rest of society likes to forget. By not signing him NFL owners are actually keeping the issue alive.

Correct me if I'm wrong (but pretty sure I'm not), but didn't Kap opt OUT of his contract with the 49'ers? Why should an NFL owner be expected to sign him when he chose to leave the team he was under contract with? He'd be employed and on an NFL roster had he not CHOSEN to hit the FA market.

Choices have consequences.

[BoomBoom]

Those are the ones I was referring to as well. Are there some points in there that make sense...absolutely. But there are also a lot of points that would lead to unabashed anarchy and strip the police of the ability to safely do their job.

These are the points I was talking about, straight off of that sight:

End Policing of Minor "Broken Windows" Offenses

The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
Marijuana Possession
Disorderly Conduct
Trespassing
Loitering
Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
Spitting
Jaywalking
Bicycling on the Sidewalk

From the section on police force:

ban using force on a person for talking back or as punishment for running away

use minimum amount of force to apprehend a subject, with specific guidelines for the types of force and tools authorized for a given level of resistance

Prohibit police officers from:

shooting at moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
moving in front of moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
high-speed chases of people who have not and are not about to commit a violent felony



These are a few examples of things I disagree with. This is not all encompassing. What I'd like to know is how does my disagreeing with these ideas make me into someone that "supports oppressing black people"?

There's definitely room to debate how best to implement these reforms, like any reforms, though I think saying de-emphasizing minor charges (that are usually bullcrap) is going to lead to anarchy is a leap. There's a big difference between charging trespassing when you catch someone prowling a house as opposed to when someone cuts across an empty parking lot, or charging disorderly conduct for refusing to stop filming.

Honest disagreement on how to implement reforms is fine. The problem is the people that refuse to admit reforms are needed at all. That common, and in control, view is why kneeling is felt as necessary by some.

It's not a black American problem. They are just the canaries in the coal mine. Its a police culture view. See the nurse recently detained for no legal reason. The forces defended it. Same with Freddie Gray. He was arrested for an incorrect charge, the knife he was carrying was legal, yet the police union insisted the arrest was legal.

[Reason2succeed]

And the truth is some people don't think that hating the po-leece is indoctrinated in certain cultures.

Since you know the "truth" and why would "certain cultures" waste their time and energy indoctrinating themselves into hating the "po-leece"?

Granted that it doesn't help that American history includes police officers attacking peaceful black protesters with dogs and clubs and fire hoses.

[shoeless joe]

There's definitely room to debate how best to implement these reforms, like any reforms, though I think saying de-emphasizing minor charges (that are usually bullcrap) is going to lead to anarchy is a leap. There's a big difference between charging trespassing when you catch someone prowling a house as opposed to when someone cuts across an empty parking lot, or charging disorderly conduct for refusing to stop filming.

Honest disagreement on how to implement reforms is fine. The problem is the people that refuse to admit reforms are needed at all. That common, and in control, view is why kneeling is felt as necessary by some.

It's not a black American problem. They are just the canaries in the coal mine. Its a police culture view. See the nurse recently detained for no legal reason. The forces defended it. Same with Freddie Gray. He was arrested for an incorrect charge, the knife he was carrying was legal, yet the police union insisted the arrest was legal.

Fair enough...I don't think the leap I made was quite as drastic as the one you originally stated. None the less, I have no problem saying some things need to be examined and some changes could be beneficial. However, when a group for change advocates things that seemingly would completely strip police of their authority it takes away their credibility on the things that actually do make sense.

[Jack Lambert]

So apparently Marshawn Lynch has never stood for the national anthem in his life and nobody ever cared until 2017?

Was he the one who got away with murder?

[BoomBoom]

Fair enough...I don't think the leap I made was quite as drastic as the one you originally stated. None the less, I have no problem saying some things need to be examined and some changes could be beneficial. However, when a group for change advocates things that seemingly would completely strip police of their authority it takes away their credibility on the things that actually do make sense.

I think the point they are trying to make is that cops shouldn't have the authority to use generic, arbitrary charges to punish citizens for legal activity, like talking back or filming. If cops cant use that authority properly, then it must be taken away, or else we have voluntarily given up our freedom. I do think we should ensure those charges are used correctly, including by punishing cops that abuse them, including jail time. But I can understand why some assume that will never happen, and would prefer to just go ahead and remove their ability to abuse those powers.