The flagrant call/review

[msstate7]

So if the game had played out completely with no stoppage (very unlikely, but possible), at the end of OT, Uconn would've got 2 FTs? This is dumb for many reasons... let's say the foul is legit and we score another basket to make the lead 4 and once the review is made with no time left, uconn would've been screwed.

[confucius say]

I'm still not convinced an Elbow hit her throat. Bottom of chin maybe. But the grabbing of the thrust as though she just got donkey punched was ridiculous. Should be a technical foul due to purposeful deception.

[Reason2succeed]

Those refs better be glad it's the weekend because Stephen A Smith, Colin Cowherd, AND Balis would have clowned them for at least half an hour on their shows.

[WinningIsRelentless]

I'm still not convinced an Elbow hit her throat. Bottom of chin maybe. But the grabbing of the thrust as though she just got donkey punched was ridiculous. Should be a technical foul due to purposeful deception.

She would have been laid out a lot longer if she actually got hit in the throat. That deserves a award.

On another note did y'all see the lead ref after THE BASKET grab Vic and push him back to the bench like they were about to review the shot. Sorry pos ref

[Tbonewannabe]

My wife made the comment that if that was a foul it would have changed how we burned up the clock on the last possession. It would be like in football you are taking 3 knees to run out the clock but right before you take the last one, the refs overturn a fumble and let the other team try a game winning fg. Naturally you wouldn't burn the entire clock if they had a chance to win.

[BulldogBear]

She would have been laid out a lot longer if she actually got hit in the throat. That deserves a award.

On another note did y'all see the lead ref after THE BASKET grab Vic and push him back to the bench like they were about to review the shot. Sorry pos ref

I noticed that. The bench is cleared. There's 20-25 people already out on the court and she's pushing Vic backed like it matters.

I agree with others in this post. Rule is legit but should be changed....or SOMETHING. Having it go down the way it did and how that would decide the game 3 out of 4 times just somehow doesn't feel right.

A better rule would somehow allow Geno to call a timeout immediately for a review if he believes it will show a flagrant. Not be charged if he was right. But be charged if he was wrong AND if the other team had the ball at the time he stopped play to demand a review they get the two shots if the refs don't agree.

[sleepy dawg]

I've talked to 2 different d1 referees now. Between the 2, they've been to the tournament around 50 times with a few very deep runs into the tournament too.

Both agree it was not a flagrant 1 foul. It was not excessive, and it was not intentional.

However, they were within the rules to review it when they did... I don't know all the rules around it, but its something like they can review up until the end of the next stoppage of clock, unless the clock stopped when the foul occurred, then they have 2 stoppage of clocks to get the review in. However, they should've stopped it right away if there was even a question.

[Percho]

Really? So what is the cutoff for reviewing a potential flagrant? 30 seconds, a minute? The next timeout? Seems silly and ridiculous.

I've seen common fouls reviewed. Haven't seen a no call reviewed 30 seconds later

My question is; Who decided to go back and review the play? You continue to play the game and then go back and look at something that wasn't called in the first place. Who determines you do this? Crowd noise?

[Political Hack]

1) it wasn't a flagrant foul. Terrible call.

2) it was called incredibly late. You can't start calling fouls at later points in the game or it's going to open Pandora's box to a world of problems.

3) Vic did a good job of keeping his head and moving forward. I'm not sure I could have. They would've had to carry me out of the arena on that one.

[Percho]

The play reminds me of the Bama football game where they reviewed a fumble yet said he scored of which. that was not evident. Someone other than the officials on the field made that call.

[msstate7]

The play reminds me of the Bama football game where they reviewed a fumble yet said he scored of which. that was not evident. Someone other than the officials on the field made that call.

The NCAA should be thrilled we won. There wouldn't be half the buzz around the women's final 4 today had uconn won

[Percho]

1) it wasn't a flagrant foul. Terrible call.

2) it was called incredibly late. You can't start calling fouls at later points in the game or it's going to open Pandora's box to a world of problems.

3) Vic did a good job of keeping his head and moving forward. I'm not sure I could have. They would've had to carry me out of the arena on that one.

They would have to carried me out on the foul call when it was a clear, I say again, a clear block. The guy ref sucked.

[tcdog70]

What if Blair drains the 3. Would they allow it? I believe the rule says you can review at the next stoppage. There was no thrown elbow, she got hit in the chin not the throat. Incidental contact. Shit happens playing basketball. Like Geno said why didn't they call it when it happened a Ref was standing 2 feet from the play, must not have been very flagrant. That would have been a very shitty way to lose that game.Karma!, must be something to it.

[RocketDawg]

She would have been laid out a lot longer if she actually got hit in the throat. That deserves a award.

On another note did y'all see the lead ref after THE BASKET grab Vic and push him back to the bench like they were about to review the shot. Sorry pos ref

Yes, I did see that. The game was over so it wasn't because he was on the court. I have no idea what she was trying to accomplish.

[BoomBoom]

1) it wasn't a flagrant foul. Terrible call.

2) it was called incredibly late. You can't start calling fouls at later points in the game or it's going to open Pandora's box to a world of problems.

3) Vic did a good job of keeping his head and moving forward. I'm not sure I could have. They would've had to carry me out of the arena on that one.

i think the rule is fine, except for the end of the game, maybe the end of the half. it should be amended that in the final 2 minutes, you can't review past plays. you could say that the clock should go back to the point of the foul, but i think that's a bit problematic.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories often, but at the moment they started to review - I thought the fix was in. Geno's facial expression even said as much when the ruling occurred.

I thought it was because there was less than 2 minutes left, but they had allowed our previous possession without stoppage. Never seen anything like it.

I would like to see someone answer the question posted earlier in this thread - what happens if Blair's 3 point shot is made? Is it still called the same, with UCONN down 5 at that point or do they take the points off the board?

[NCDawg]

What if Blair drains the 3. Would they allow it? I believe the rule says you can review at the next stoppage. There was no thrown elbow, she got hit in the chin not the throat. Incidental contact. Shit happens playing basketball. Like Geno said why didn't they call it when it happened a Ref was standing 2 feet from the play, must not have been very flagrant. That would have been a very shitty way to lose that game.Karma!, must be something to it.

I was wondering also about whether or not they would have allowed Blair's 3 if she had made it. My guess is since the shot occurred after the incident, they would have disallowed it. That would have really PO'ed a lot of us.

[yjnkdawg]

That flop job, by Lou Samuelson, should go down as one of the better ones in Women's College Basketball history. She acted like she was going to need medical assistance, by going to the floor and grabbing her throat. However, like a miracle she gets to the foul line. Sinks two free throws, with no grimacing from pain or anything. THen apparently her health is fine the rest of the game.

[TimberBeast]

That flop job, by Lou Samuelson, should go down as one of the better ones in Women's College Basketball history. She acted like she was going to need medical assistance, by going to the floor and grabbing her throat. However, like a miracle she gets to the foul line. Sinks two free throws, with no grimacing from pain or anything. THen apparently her health is fine the rest of the game.

Not only that, she got up immediately, that fact should have been as part of the decision to even do the review. She was the one dribbling the ball down the court when they decided to review. It was a great flop, and that should be the last college game those refs ever get to work.

[msbulldog]

That flop job, by Lou Samuelson, should go down as one of the better ones in Women's College Basketball history. She acted like she was going to need medical assistance, by going to the floor and grabbing her throat. However, like a miracle she gets to the foul line. Sinks two free throws, with no grimacing from pain or anything. THen apparently her health is fine the rest of the game.

Absolutely a fake job, that play was just in normal game play. If they called plays like that all of the time, the game would never end.