If we are not cheating, why not?

[Bubb Rubb]

Loss of 3 scholarships per year for 3 years, seems an awful lot like a slap on the wrist to me. Hell, we only signed 22 last February, and that was with a couple of sign and place guys. I mean wasn't this a clear cut case of "Loss of Institutional Control?" What was USC charged with when everything with Reggie Bush went down? Didn't they lose 10 scholarships per year for 3 years?

ETA:

Per Wikipedia:



In my opinion, these are the type of sanctions that are needed in order for programs to really start thinking twice about cheating.

Miami self-imposed two postseason bans, forfeiting bowl money, more significantly during the second year - missing out on a potential BCS payday.

[TUSK]

no.

Disagree...bama is not unbeatAble, just look at a& m last year . Ole miss could get to the point of beating them, especially if they take over ms in recruiting. Traditionally there is tons of talent in ms. I'd you get 80 percent of that and can pick up good recruits out of stat( which they have proven they can do) then you can win big.

They are on there way.

State fans should be concerned. Most of us are.

[PassInterference]

I'm not trying to beat a head horse here. I suggest that this fire everybody says is missing comes from Mullen and staff observing that Bracky has us fighting with two hands tied behind our back.

Fire. Bracky. Now. Hire real compliance experts or outsource it to the law firm of Better Call Saul and play the damn game the way our competition AND OUR CONFERENCE COMMISSIONER have set the table for it to be played.

[MarketingBully01]

So when we win in Starkville to beat them 4/5 times what do the recruiting rankings really mean? I get what you are saying but I doubt they will ever land a class like they did last year. The cheating will catch up to them if they do.

[Barking 13]

As someone who has been a college recruiter and a hs coach, I can tell that you don't know a thing about what you just said. Fact is this - Ole Miss is now recruiting on the level of LSU and Bama. THey are going after top names in recruiting ranks at all positions, their administration is all in, their coaches are all in, their fan base and alumni are all in, the student body is all in. They may not win the west this year or next, but if they stack another recruiting class or two like last season's on top of one another, in three years that group will be able to compete in the West division and nationally. If you cannot see that, then you are really blind to the situation. They are recruiting well nationally, and they are starting to make some serious in-roads into the state ranks. It doesn't matter how they are getting these recruits....bottom line is that they are getting them. And I have no doubt that there are some alums and students "assisting" in the area of convincing them to come to OM, but in the end, the fact is that they are going to Oxford and not other schools. There is some serious talent in their freshman class, as evidenced by how much and how well they have played against the better teams in the Western division. They are lacking some serious depth, but that is a fan base and now a TEAM that believes that they can compete and beat anybody on any given game day......and that is where they have got us beat. We have better depth at every position, but they have a staff, student body and fan base, and a team that believe they can go up against anyone and win. The mental aspect is the biggest difference now between us and the rest of the West, and we are sorely behind everyone in this category.....and I lay that solely at the feet of our staff and administration. Don't know what it is, but the wind has been taken out of Mullen and the staff's sails for the last 11 months and it is terrible to see, IMHO.
it is possible that the recent play of OM may light a fire in our staff and team's bellies, but it is just as likely that it sucked the life out of them and they give up against our remaining schedule. The coaching part of having a team mentally tough is tricky, and if you ever lose that with a group, it is like a cancer that will eat away at the foundation of your program. We are not mentally tough at this point. It may be that our team is young, but I think it is a combination of that and our staff has lost their edge in on-field coaching and adjustments, and in the recruiting wars. How do you "right the ship"? I don't have the answer for that one....and that lies at Mullen, and ultimately, at Stricklin's feet.

best post of the month award! rep points...

[Westdawg]

I agree that Bracky is an issue that needs to be resolved. However, and this my personal opinion, I believe Bracky is only doi g what he is told to do and we are now under LT part II. How else could Bracky what he does and not be pulled from his position?

[BossDawg]

As someone who has been a college recruiter and a hs coach, I can tell that you don't know a thing about what you just said. Fact is this - Ole Miss is now recruiting on the level of LSU and Bama. THey are going after top names in recruiting ranks at all positions, their administration is all in, their coaches are all in, their fan base and alumni are all in, the student body is all in. They may not win the west this year or next, but if they stack another recruiting class or two like last season's on top of one another, in three years that group will be able to compete in the West division and nationally. If you cannot see that, then you are really blind to the situation. They are recruiting well nationally, and they are starting to make some serious in-roads into the state ranks. It doesn't matter how they are getting these recruits....bottom line is that they are getting them. And I have no doubt that there are some alums and students "assisting" in the area of convincing them to come to OM, but in the end, the fact is that they are going to Oxford and not other schools. There is some serious talent in their freshman class, as evidenced by how much and how well they have played against the better teams in the Western division. They are lacking some serious depth, but that is a fan base and now a TEAM that believes that they can compete and beat anybody on any given game day......and that is where they have got us beat. We have better depth at every position, but they have a staff, student body and fan base, and a team that believe they can go up against anyone and win. The mental aspect is the biggest difference now between us and the rest of the West, and we are sorely behind everyone in this category.....and I lay that solely at the feet of our staff and administration. Don't know what it is, but the wind has been taken out of Mullen and the staff's sails for the last 11 months and it is terrible to see, IMHO.
it is possible that the recent play of OM may light a fire in our staff and team's bellies, but it is just as likely that it sucked the life out of them and they give up against our remaining schedule. The coaching part of having a team mentally tough is tricky, and if you ever lose that with a group, it is like a cancer that will eat away at the foundation of your program. We are not mentally tough at this point. It may be that our team is young, but I think it is a combination of that and our staff has lost their edge in on-field coaching and adjustments, and in the recruiting wars. How do you "right the ship"? I don't have the answer for that one....and that lies at Mullen, and ultimately, at Stricklin's feet.

Could have used some paragraphs here, but this is pretty much spot-the-hell-on.

[Westdawg]

YOu say they won't land another class comparable to last year's.....I can tell you haven't seen who they are after this year and who is on their visit lists for this season.
I am telling you here and now, they will end up with at least a Top 15 class or better again this year. My wife flew through the Memphis Airport on the Mondays after their games with aTm and LSU and she was telling me of several kids that she thought were prospects wearing all Ole Miss attire, so I pulled up the lists of kids they have offered and she started identifying some of the kids that she saw....let me say that they are getting some serious talent showing up for games this year. they may not land any of them, but we have already seen how the recruiting machine of OM gears up in Dec-Feb. OM is gonna have a really good class this year.

[MadDawg]

Westdawg has provided some great insight here. Thanks.

Question for the board: From what we've all heard about what goes on in Oxford for recruits, would you turn down a recruiting trip to Oxford?

[engie]

So when we win in Starkville to beat them 4/5 times what do the recruiting rankings really mean? I get what you are saying but I doubt they will ever land a class like they did last year. The cheating will catch up to them if they do.

Yep. It was a one-time thing**

This is their OV list for this year thusfar. Feel free to contrast with ours...



There is NO sign of their machine stopping at this point. Even as the NCAA is lurking. It's not total freak out time -- but it's past well past deniability time.

[Jack Lambert]

As someone who has been a college recruiter and a hs coach, I can tell that you don't know a thing about what you just said. Fact is this - Ole Miss is now recruiting on the level of LSU and Bama. THey are going after top names in recruiting ranks at all positions, their administration is all in, their coaches are all in, their fan base and alumni are all in, the student body is all in. They may not win the west this year or next, but if they stack another recruiting class or two like last season's on top of one another, in three years that group will be able to compete in the West division and nationally. If you cannot see that, then you are really blind to the situation. They are recruiting well nationally, and they are starting to make some serious in-roads into the state ranks. It doesn't matter how they are getting these recruits....bottom line is that they are getting them. And I have no doubt that there are some alums and students "assisting" in the area of convincing them to come to OM, but in the end, the fact is that they are going to Oxford and not other schools. There is some serious talent in their freshman class, as evidenced by how much and how well they have played against the better teams in the Western division. They are lacking some serious depth, but that is a fan base and now a TEAM that believes that they can compete and beat anybody on any given game day......and that is where they have got us beat. We have better depth at every position, but they have a staff, student body and fan base, and a team that believe they can go up against anyone and win. The mental aspect is the biggest difference now between us and the rest of the West, and we are sorely behind everyone in this category.....and I lay that solely at the feet of our staff and administration. Don't know what it is, but the wind has been taken out of Mullen and the staff's sails for the last 11 months and it is terrible to see, IMHO.
it is possible that the recent play of OM may light a fire in our staff and team's bellies, but it is just as likely that it sucked the life out of them and they give up against our remaining schedule. The coaching part of having a team mentally tough is tricky, and if you ever lose that with a group, it is like a cancer that will eat away at the foundation of your program. We are not mentally tough at this point. It may be that our team is young, but I think it is a combination of that and our staff has lost their edge in on-field coaching and adjustments, and in the recruiting wars. How do you "right the ship"? I don't have the answer for that one....and that lies at Mullen, and ultimately, at Stricklin's feet.

That don't mean Jack to me. Recruting doesn't always pan out because they are just some number a recruiting agency puts out. It works out for Alabama becasue they get so many four and five stars but many of them turn out to be a bust. They got numbers to make up for it and Ole Miss and State does not. We might get a few of them every year but the law of numbers do not work in our favor. Go back and look. Alabama had more four and five stars then three stars and thats every year. Ole Miss class last year was a once in a life time. Even their class this year continues to drop in the rankings. In 2005 we had the #33 class, in 2006 we had the #46 class and in 2007 we had the #39th class and I suspect many of those guys were on our 2010 team that won 9 games.

Since 2002

Ole miss has beaten MSU in recruiting 9 times.

Ole Miss has had 6 top 20 classes according to rivals
Miss state has had 2 top 20 classes according to rivals.

Both have had 1 top 10 classes.

Ole Miss 5 bowl games
MSU 4 bowl games


Ole Miss beat MSU 6 times
MSU beat ole Miss 6 times.

[cheewgumm]

yes

no.

[CadaverDawg]

As someone who has been a college recruiter and a hs coach, I can tell that you don't know a thing about what you just said. Fact is this - Ole Miss is now recruiting on the level of LSU and Bama. THey are going after top names in recruiting ranks at all positions, their administration is all in, their coaches are all in, their fan base and alumni are all in, the student body is all in. They may not win the west this year or next, but if they stack another recruiting class or two like last season's on top of one another, in three years that group will be able to compete in the West division and nationally. If you cannot see that, then you are really blind to the situation. They are recruiting well nationally, and they are starting to make some serious in-roads into the state ranks. It doesn't matter how they are getting these recruits....bottom line is that they are getting them. And I have no doubt that there are some alums and students "assisting" in the area of convincing them to come to OM, but in the end, the fact is that they are going to Oxford and not other schools. There is some serious talent in their freshman class, as evidenced by how much and how well they have played against the better teams in the Western division. They are lacking some serious depth, but that is a fan base and now a TEAM that believes that they can compete and beat anybody on any given game day......and that is where they have got us beat. We have better depth at every position, but they have a staff, student body and fan base, and a team that believe they can go up against anyone and win. The mental aspect is the biggest difference now between us and the rest of the West, and we are sorely behind everyone in this category.....and I lay that solely at the feet of our staff and administration. Don't know what it is, but the wind has been taken out of Mullen and the staff's sails for the last 11 months and it is terrible to see, IMHO.
it is possible that the recent play of OM may light a fire in our staff and team's bellies, but it is just as likely that it sucked the life out of them and they give up against our remaining schedule. The coaching part of having a team mentally tough is tricky, and if you ever lose that with a group, it is like a cancer that will eat away at the foundation of your program. We are not mentally tough at this point. It may be that our team is young, but I think it is a combination of that and our staff has lost their edge in on-field coaching and adjustments, and in the recruiting wars. How do you "right the ship"? I don't have the answer for that one....and that lies at Mullen, and ultimately, at Stricklin's feet.

This is it. Point blank, period.

[cheewgumm]

and last year no less than Tusk himself was here birght eyed and bushy tailed (or maybe it was sixpack) basically laughing at the fact that A&M cold beat them.

As someone who has been a college recruiter and a hs coach, I can tell that you don't know a thing about what you just said. Fact is this - Ole Miss is now recruiting on the level of LSU and Bama. THey are going after top names in recruiting ranks at all positions, their administration is all in, their coaches are all in, their fan base and alumni are all in, the student body is all in. They may not win the west this year or next, but if they stack another recruiting class or two like last season's on top of one another, in three years that group will be able to compete in the West division and nationally. If you cannot see that, then you are really blind to the situation. They are recruiting well nationally, and they are starting to make some serious in-roads into the state ranks. It doesn't matter how they are getting these recruits....bottom line is that they are getting them. And I have no doubt that there are some alums and students "assisting" in the area of convincing them to come to OM, but in the end, the fact is that they are going to Oxford and not other schools. There is some serious talent in their freshman class, as evidenced by how much and how well they have played against the better teams in the Western division. They are lacking some serious depth, but that is a fan base and now a TEAM that believes that they can compete and beat anybody on any given game day......and that is where they have got us beat. We have better depth at every position, but they have a staff, student body and fan base, and a team that believe they can go up against anyone and win. The mental aspect is the biggest difference now between us and the rest of the West, and we are sorely behind everyone in this category.....and I lay that solely at the feet of our staff and administration. Don't know what it is, but the wind has been taken out of Mullen and the staff's sails for the last 11 months and it is terrible to see, IMHO.
it is possible that the recent play of OM may light a fire in our staff and team's bellies, but it is just as likely that it sucked the life out of them and they give up against our remaining schedule. The coaching part of having a team mentally tough is tricky, and if you ever lose that with a group, it is like a cancer that will eat away at the foundation of your program. We are not mentally tough at this point. It may be that our team is young, but I think it is a combination of that and our staff has lost their edge in on-field coaching and adjustments, and in the recruiting wars. How do you "right the ship"? I don't have the answer for that one....and that lies at Mullen, and ultimately, at Stricklin's feet.

[cheewgumm]

Sorry replied incorrectly. I agree wiht the big paragraph, obviously.

and last year no less than Tusk himself was here birght eyed and bushy tailed (or maybe it was sixpack) basically laughing at the fact that A&M cold beat them.