Les Miles talking to Minnesota

[sandwolf]

Miles refused to change- Saban didnt. There is your difference

Haha, this is proof positive that it is a complete waste of time to argue with any of your hot takes.....if you won't just flat admit how wrong and idiotic you were on this, then you never will.

[TUSK]

Bama should have never been in the NC game- should have been Ok State

According to the "goal" of the BCS, Bammer absolutely should have been there... the goal was to put the "Two best teams" in the NC Game...

The BCS did what it was set up to do and the best team won the NC that year... It's not Bammer's fault Mike "I'm 40" Gundy couldn't beat a terrible Iowa State team...

[dawgday166]

According to the "goal" of the BCS, Bammer absolutely should have been there... the goal was to put the "Two best teams" in the NC Game...

The BCS did what it was set up to do and the best team won the NC that year... It's not Bammer's fault Mike "I'm 40" Gundy couldn't beat a terrible Iowa State team...

This is why I say God smiles on Bammer and its fans in football.

And now Trump's been elected and he and Saban be mates ... free trailer insurance, rehab and teeth for all. **** It just keeps gettin better and better for y'all **

[lamont]

Haha, this is proof positive that it is a complete waste of time to argue with any of your hot takes.....if you won't just flat admit how wrong and idiotic you were on this, then you never will.

I'll type slower so hopefully your mongoloid self can understand.

Saban and Miles ran the same offense in the early 2000's. Saban recognized the offensive revolution college football was experiencing- and changed hi offense accordingly. Hell- just look at this season. He has Lane Kiffin- a WCO guy- running the zone read with an athlete at QB. Not a dropback guy. Saban evolved with the game in his 60's.

Miles was running the same offense in 2016 that he ran in 2004. It wasnt working anymore. Especially when you have Harris, Jennings, and Jefferson as your QB's. A classic dropback passer they are not. He refused to evolve- and this was ultimately his downfall. Just look at our last 2 games vs LSU- Miles had 2+TD leads in the 4th Q of both games and acted like he was up 30 points in both. Even though he won both- he damn lost them because of refusing to realize how quick-strike offenses exist on CFB these days. He simply refused to evolve as a coach. He kept coaching in 2000 mode

[lamont]

According to the "goal" of the BCS, Bammer absolutely should have been there... the goal was to put the "Two best teams" in the NC Game...

The BCS did what it was set up to do and the best team won the NC that year... It's not Bammer's fault Mike "I'm 40" Gundy couldn't beat a terrible Iowa State team...

totally disagree. Ok State earned the right to be there. Bama finished 3rd in the SEC that year

[TUSK]

This is why I say God smiles on Bammer and its fans in football.

And now Trump's been elected and he and Saban be mates ... free trailer insurance, rehab and teeth for all. **** It just keeps gettin better and better for y'all **

Dude, it's tough bein' me, daddio.... I'm just gonna be really sad when MDL retires in 2022ish.....

[TUSK]

totally disagree. Ok State earned the right to be there. Bama finished 3rd in the SEC that year

I appreciate your point of view... And I applaud your courage in expressing it....





No.




edit: also, "deserve" has nothing to do with it.... (see Cadavaer on this one)...

[dawgday166]

Dude, it's tough bein' me, daddio.... I'm just gonna be really sad when MDL retires in 2022ish.....

Man ... I feel your paaaaiiiinn **** This why I'm ecstatic all the time as a State fan *

[confucius say]

totally disagree. Ok State earned the right to be there. Bama finished 3rd in the SEC that year

No way. Go look at ok st schedule. And they lost to a terrible Iowa state that had a losing record and was 3-6 in the big 12. Bama's only loss was in overtime to Lsu

[dawgday166]

I appreciate your point of view... And I applaud your courage in expressing it....





No.




edit: also, "deserve" has nothing to do with it.... (see Cadavaer on this one)...

So that's what courage looks like ***

I'm a little confused tho ... he be resisting not accepting Tusk?

[TUSK]

So that's what courage looks like ***

I'm a little confused tho ... he be resisting not accepting Tusk?

No, He's "accepted" TUSK...just in denial 'bout it....

Now that you mention it, there may be "Stages of TUSK".... hmmmmmmmm

[dawgday166]

No, He's "accepted" TUSK...just in denial 'bout it....

Now that you mention it, there may be "Stages of TUSK".... hmmmmmmmm

Takes a while to build courage. 12 step program may be the answer.

[DancingRabbit]

I had always heard a rumor that right before the National Championship game LSU's offensive line approached Miles and told him to play the backup QB (sorry forgot the name) or they would throw the game. Miles called their bluff and played the starter but they weren't bluffing. Any truth to this anyone? That was the beginning of the end for Miles. He had the better team that year and shit the bed. Never fully recovered from it.

I was watching that game in a bar in Dallas. Most of the crowd was pulling for LSU. By the 3rd quarter no one could believe Les didn't pull Jefferson and put in Jarrett Lee. Even the group of black guys next to us were yelling "put the white dude in!"

[TUSK]

I was watching that game in a bar in Dallas. Most of the crowd was pulling for LSU. By the 3rd quarter no one could believe Les didn't pull Jefferson and put in Jarrett Lee. Even the group of black guys next to us were yelling "put the white dude in!"

I don't think "Pick 6" Lee could have saved them, but he wouldn't have made the rape LSU was enduring any worse...

I woulda taken the chance, myself... It was a very interesting game, in person, in NOLA...

[sandwolf]

He simply refused to evolve as a coach. He kept coaching in 2000 mode

It doesn't matter what mode Les Miles was in....he has never been on Saban's level as a coach.

[BB30]

I'll type slower so hopefully your mongoloid self can understand.

Saban and Miles ran the same offense in the early 2000's. Saban recognized the offensive revolution college football was experiencing- and changed hi offense accordingly. Hell- just look at this season. He has Lane Kiffin- a WCO guy- running the zone read with an athlete at QB. Not a dropback guy. Saban evolved with the game in his 60's.

Miles was running the same offense in 2016 that he ran in 2004. It wasnt working anymore. Especially when you have Harris, Jennings, and Jefferson as your QB's. A classic dropback passer they are not. He refused to evolve- and this was ultimately his downfall. Just look at our last 2 games vs LSU- Miles had 2+TD leads in the 4th Q of both games and acted like he was up 30 points in both. Even though he won both- he damn lost them because of refusing to realize how quick-strike offenses exist on CFB these days. He simply refused to evolve as a coach. He kept coaching in 2000 mode

And, refusing to evolve as a coach doesn't=shi**y coach?

[smootness]

I had always heard a rumor that right before the National Championship game LSU's offensive line approached Miles and told him to play the backup QB (sorry forgot the name) or they would throw the game. Miles called their bluff and played the starter but they weren't bluffing. Any truth to this anyone? That was the beginning of the end for Miles. He had the better team that year and shit the bed. Never fully recovered from it.

That sounds like the dumbest rumor ever. If any players were actively throwing the national title game because of a disagreement over who started at QB, they are the absolute worst.

[smootness]

I'll type slower so hopefully your mongoloid self can understand.

Saban and Miles ran the same offense in the early 2000's. Saban recognized the offensive revolution college football was experiencing- and changed hi offense accordingly. Hell- just look at this season. He has Lane Kiffin- a WCO guy- running the zone read with an athlete at QB. Not a dropback guy. Saban evolved with the game in his 60's.

Miles was running the same offense in 2016 that he ran in 2004. It wasnt working anymore. Especially when you have Harris, Jennings, and Jefferson as your QB's. A classic dropback passer they are not. He refused to evolve- and this was ultimately his downfall. Just look at our last 2 games vs LSU- Miles had 2+TD leads in the 4th Q of both games and acted like he was up 30 points in both. Even though he won both- he damn lost them because of refusing to realize how quick-strike offenses exist on CFB these days. He simply refused to evolve as a coach. He kept coaching in 2000 mode

...except Saban then beat Miles in the NC game and won the NC the next year also with that same offense...and then was undefeated the year after that before an insane fluke play cost him the Auburn game.

Saban may have felt changing offenses was necessary, and he's certainly continued his success since, but there's no indication he needed to do that to continue winning national titles.

[Dawg61]

That sounds like the dumbest rumor ever. If any players were actively throwing the national title game because of a disagreement over who started at QB, they are the absolute worst.

Tusk heard the same rumor exactly as I heard it and we don't live within 8 hours of each other. Apparently Jefferson had been doing a lot of partying the week before the game to the point the offensive line felt he didn't deserve to lead them on the field. They approached Miles and told him what Jefferson had been upto and that they weren't going to block for him so he better put in Lee if he wanted to win. He started Jefferson knowing full well that it meant mutiny from his OL.

[smootness]

Tusk heard the same rumor exactly as I heard it and we don't live within 8 hours of each other. Apparently Jefferson had been doing a lot of partying the week before the game to the point the offensive line felt he didn't deserve to lead them on the field. They approached Miles and told him what Jefferson had been upto and that they weren't going to block for him so he better put in Lee if he wanted to win. He started Jefferson knowing full well that it meant mutiny from his OL.

That still sounds dumb. 'He doesn't deserve to lead us onto the field to help us compete for the national title, so if he plays, we won't compete for the national title.' If your issue with a player is that he isn't in it enough, how is a proper response to give up and refuse to be in it?

I'm not necessarily saying the rumor is wrong, just that it sounds really stupid and that if it's true, I don't really blame Miles. It sounds like he was stuck with a QB who didn't care enough and an OL who didn't care enough.