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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroons View Post
    Because he had a different agent. That's fixed now with Sexton.

    He still may leave - I don't know. But nobody here is talking about the role his former agent played.
    I think that was a lot of Dan's and thus our problem. Sometimes leaking your name out sometimes can cause you to lose leverage and make you look bad to your employer. It wouldn't surprise me if Dan is looking around still but Sexton is keeping it under wraps better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    And again, even those guys are probably open to a better opportunity. Saban himself has had pretty consistent NFL rumors for a while.
    And yet we didn't know about the Giants talking to him last year until THIS year. There is a right way and a wrong to go about looking for every job out there. Dan and his former agent have not been going about it in the best way to say the least.

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    If Dan was truly "looking" around, then he would be at another school. Coaches who have the success that Dan has had at MSU don't stay at MSU historically. After 2014, if Dan wanted to leave, he could have had a number of jobs.

    Do some of you really believe that the coach who took MSU to its first ever #1 ranking in college football gets looked at by other programs as not being up to standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    If Dan was truly "looking" around, then he would be at another school. Coaches who have the success that Dan has had at MSU don't stay at MSU historically. After 2014, if Dan wanted to leave, he could have had a number of jobs.

    Do some of you really believe that the coach who took MSU to its first ever #1 ranking in college football gets looked at by other programs as not being up to standard?
    Actually yes, I don't think most of the "elite" jobs want Mullen - #1 ranking or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluelightstar View Post
    Actually yes, I don't think most of the "elite" jobs want Mullen - #1 ranking or not.
    He didn't say "Elite" jobs. He said if he was really looking around to leave, then he would be gone. If Richt hadn't changed his mind, Mullen was next in line for Miami last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    If Dan was truly "looking" around, then he would be at another school. Coaches who have the success that Dan has had at MSU don't stay at MSU historically. After 2014, if Dan wanted to leave, he could have had a number of jobs.

    Do some of you really believe that the coach who took MSU to its first ever #1 ranking in college football gets looked at by other programs as not being up to standard?
    Dan gets paid more than most would pay for him. As great as that run to #1 was at the end of the year we played 3 great teams and got the shit beat out of us by all 3. AU, A&M, and LSU ended up being good wins but they weren't great teams. This year's A&M win may be Dan's biggest win but if you think having teams that are beat by halftime against Bama is going to get him a top ten job, I don't know what to tell you. Herman had cooled off until he beat the shit out of Louisville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    And yet we didn't know about the Giants talking to him last year until THIS year. There is a right way and a wrong to go about looking for every job out there. Dan and his former agent have not been going about it in the best way to say the least.
    Ok? So now that we've heard about it, time to cut bait, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluelightstar View Post
    Actually yes, I don't think most of the "elite" jobs want Mullen - #1 ranking or not.
    So we've now narrowed it him only wanting to leave for an elite job...and we're holding that against him like he doesn't want to be here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    So we've now narrowed it him only wanting to leave for an elite job...and we're holding that against him like he doesn't want to be here?
    I'm not holding it against him at all. I love State, but I'd go to UF, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    He didn't say "Elite" jobs. He said if he was really looking around to leave, then he would be gone. If Richt hadn't changed his mind, Mullen was next in line for Miami last year.
    Right, I just think there are a lot of programs that *do* consider Mullen up to standard; I just have my doubts that those are the big programs of the world and it has a lot to do with our record against the top 25. There are plenty of programs that would love to have Dan, but I think most of them are equal/less in terms of prestige and certainly in terms of pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Ok? So now that we've heard about it, time to cut bait, right?
    According to his logic. yes. That would be INSANE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Ok? So now that we've heard about it, time to cut bait, right?
    Heard about what? There haven't been any substantial rumors about Dan going to a specific team thus far like Thai time last year. Sexton has handled this much better than Dan's last agent assuming he even is looking around.

    There is a right and a wrong way to go about looking for jobs. Dan was doing it the wrong way. That's why he has a new agent. And Keenum agrees with me since a big reason why he wasn't extended was because he was pretty openly looking around. Just like my boss would have second thoughts about giving me a raise if they knew I was looking around. And probably the same with you and your job whether you realize it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    According to his logic. yes. That would be INSANE.
    By your logic we should put up with a coach that doesn't correct flaws because we fired Allyn McKeen and sucked in the 60's. You might want to be careful when accusing others about being illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Heard about what? There haven't been any substantial rumors about Dan going to a specific team thus far like Thai time last year. Sexton has handled this much better than Dan's last agent assuming he even is looking around.

    There is a right and a wrong way to go about looking for jobs. Dan was doing it the wrong way. That's why he has a new agent. And Keenum agrees with me since a big reason why he wasn't extended was because he was pretty openly looking around. Just like my boss would have second thoughts about giving me a raise if they knew I was looking around. And probably the same with you and your job whether you realize it or not.
    So you're fine with him looking around, so long as you don't hear about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Had he wanted the Maryland job, he would be the current coach at Maryland.
    I agree with that. Doesn't mean he wasn't talking to them though

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    So you're fine with him looking around, so long as you don't hear about it?
    Yes. Because if it is getting out that he is looking here there and wherever else it makes it look like he's trying to leave and not committed to our program and it gets used against us in recruiting. That hurts him and us. Again- right and wrong way to look for a job. Broadcasting that you are looking around is not the right way to do it in any job unless your spouse is moving to another city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    If Dan was truly "looking" around, then he would be at another school. Coaches who have the success that Dan has had at MSU don't stay at MSU historically. After 2014, if Dan wanted to leave, he could have had a number of jobs.

    Do some of you really believe that the coach who took MSU to its first ever #1 ranking in college football gets looked at by other programs as not being up to standard?
    And he got looked at KB. He damn near landed the Miami job. Richt getting pushed was the only reason he isn't at Miami right now. Georgia's AD wanted him- but was forced to hire Smart. As far as Maryland- my guess was he just decided he had it better here.

    It's not just a matter of wanting out and then going. Somebody has to hire you at a place you want to go- you know that. My guess is Sexton is working for him at Arizona and Oregon- and if those don't work out then he will remain at State and coach for his job in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Yes. Broadcasting that you are looking around is not the right way to do it in any job
    Neither Dan nor Diamond put it out to the media he was looking. That's the "135 pound gorilla in the room" problem.

    The flip side is Dan didn't quash the rumor either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottH View Post
    Neither Dan nor Diamond put it out to the media he was looking. That's the "135 pound gorilla in the room" problem.

    The flip side is Dan didn't quash the rumor either.
    I think that's where Sexton comes in. He knows how to handle that other aspect of coaching job searches as far as how and when to release it. I would imagine that the majority of the time that contracts and etc. are worked out and ironed out before the rumors even make the rounds most of the time. I can't really speak to exactly how that works because I'm not In that industry.

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