Investigation

[engie]

Well, I certainly hope something will end up happening to them, but I am not going to hold my breath that it will be significant at all. Probably lose a couple schollys or something similar. I will be ecstatic if it's more, but not holding my breath.

A couple lost schollies = probation = an even playing field with us in recruiting for the next 7 years. That's the length that they will also fall under repeat offenders and be one mistake away from getting destroyed by the NCAA. That's a pretty big deal. Until the playing field is back level, they are basically playing with house money in recruiting.

No one is saying they are going to get the SMU treatment at this time...

[bulldawg28]

Giving any info you non believers are asking is just as damaging to MSU. You don't understand.

[CadaverDawg]

Giving any info you non believers are asking is just as damaging to MSU. You don't understand.

Who's asking for that? I know it's damaging, which is why if they would have said that's where it's coming from, I would have said ok, and been good with it. But when they were acting like it was public knowledge, I just wanted to see where they had heard or read it. Didn't realize they were saying that A majority of their info is from "insiders" or nobody would have asked for anything.

I agree with you

[Barking 13]

Here's the letter:
chill!

[engie]

Yep. This is basically what I've been saying. I want to believe it, so help me believe it.

Ah -- so just do all the work for our fans that have made it a point not to see anything that has been happening? Got it**

And quit saying "everyone knows it", because we don't.

And -- like I've already said -- you've made it a point not to. You've made it a point to argue and "not believe" the same people that have given you information constantly. Several of us who have rarely been wrong about this sort of thing.

And for Engie to say "I'm trolling people that I know are more connected to the program than me"....I like you Engie, but **** you with that attitude. You know me better than to say some bull shit like that.

No, I really don't. Not in this instance. Because that's what you are doing right here. I don't like being told that "I'm making shit up" if I can't provide ARTICLES(read not blog posts or message board posts -- REGARDLESS of who they came from -- as you've made it CLEAR here that you don't trust any such information) proving what I say is true -- which is what you've gone with here. You honestly thought I was going to sit back and take that and be OK with it?

If I had known you all were basing it off your "insiders" then I wouldn't have even asked for where you're getting it. But when you keep saying things like "everybody knows" and "we all know", I assumed you meant "the public" "the fan base"...I wouldn't ask for your damn sources if I knew they were private and you know that from us talking in the past.

I'm basing it off LITERALLY everything I've seen and heard -- making it what should be common knowledge. I hear one thing from an insider friend of mine, then I hear it from a completely disconnected source on OM's side, then I read about it on Orangebloods, then I see it on Georgia's 24/7 site, then I hear the same thing from Paul Jones and John Farley, while I also see Hack post the same thing. At that point, I feel like I can safely say that WE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. Since it's coming from literally every angle.

[CadaverDawg]

Ah -- so just do all the work for our fans that have made it a point not to see anything that has been happening? Got it**


And -- like I've already said -- you've made it a point not to. You've made it a point to argue and "not believe" the same people that have given you information constantly. Several of us who have rarely been wrong about this sort of thing.


No, I really don't. Not in this instance. Because that's what you are doing right here. I don't like being told that "I'm making shit up" if I can't provide ARTICLES(read not blog posts or message board posts -- REGARDLESS of who they came from -- as you've made it CLEAR here that you don't trust any such information) proving what I say is true -- which is what you've gone with here. You honestly thought I was going to sit back and take that and be OK with it?


I'm basing it off LITERALLY everything I've seen and heard -- making it what should be common knowledge. I hear one thing from an insider friend of mine, then I hear it from a completely disconnected source on OM's side, then I read about it on Orangebloods, then I see it on Georgia's 24/7 site, then I hear the same thing from Paul Jones and John Farley, while I also see Hack post the same thing. At that point, I feel like I can safely say that WE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. Since it's coming from literally every angle.

So basically, you're saying, I misunderstood what Cadaver was saying but I'm too proud to admit that we just had a communication error. Instead,mi will continue to spin him as a guy that doesn't respect me and my sources. Shut up with that garbage when if you have read any of my last 4 posts you will know that we obviously weren't on the same page.

I thought you were better than this shit, but I guess not.

And by the way, not everyone has access to Farley, Paul Jones, etc...so those aren't just public knowledge sites. May want to take that into consideration before trying to act like someone hasn't read up on anything.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

TiderInsider guy confirmed it. I don't have access to that site but I saw on Twitter, an Ole Miss fan tweet Kellenberger a link asking if he could confirm it.

Also, C34 posted here about TI's report.

Serious question: how can the TI guy confirm "it"? Was he cc'd on the letter? Does the NCAA give Bama a courtesy call when they send out letters to other schools?

All we really have is a bunch of people on message boards of schools who lost recruits to Ole Miss saying that all this is happening. That doesn't mean that it either is or isn't going down, only that a lot of speculation is going on since we all know/assume the class wasn't pulled in above-board. As for CD's concerns/questions, that means that there isn't really proof or sources, just a lot of chatter. As is usually the case, I'm sure some of the chatter is correct and some is not. We will all find out whats what in due course.

[CadaverDawg]

Serious question: how can the TI guy confirm "it"? Was he cc'd on the letter? Does the NCAA give Bama a courtesy call when they send out letters to other schools?

All we really have is a bunch of people on message boards of schools who lost recruits to Ole Miss saying that all this is happening. That doesn't mean that it either is or isn't going down, only that a lot of speculation is going on since we all know/assume the class wasn't pulled in above-board. As for CD's concerns/questions, that means that there isn't really proof or sources, just a lot of chatter. As is usually the case, I'm sure some of the chatter is correct and some is not. We will all find out whats what in due course.

This is about as factual as it gets right now. Good post.

But by God, be careful who you spit the truth too. If you don't have insiders or hours to go to every team in the country's message boards, you don't have any right to ask a question.

[C222]

Serious question: how can the TI guy confirm "it"? Was he cc'd on the letter? Does the NCAA give Bama a courtesy call when they send out letters to other schools?

All we really have is a bunch of people on message boards of schools who lost recruits to Ole Miss saying that all this is happening. That doesn't mean that it either is or isn't going down, only that a lot of speculation is going on since we all know/assume the class wasn't pulled in above-board. As for CD's concerns/questions, that means that there isn't really proof or sources, just a lot of chatter. As is usually the case, I'm sure some of the chatter is correct and some is not. We will all find out whats what in due course.

Jesus. Sorry. The guy from Tider Insider SAID the NCAA sent Ole Miss a letter. We get it. No one will believe any rumors pertaining to Ole Miss until they show you guys proof.

[FlabLoser]

What do you call CJ and CJ being interviewed about their Ole Miss recruitment?

Just random recruitment questioning? Does that happen? Name one more player that has been through that.

[C222]

What do you call CJ and CJ being interviewed about their Ole Miss recruitment?

They don't believe it Flab. Until someone shows them a picture of an NCAA investigator and Chris Jones/CJ Johnson sitting in a room together, it's all BS**. I can't believe Jeremy Fowler and Kyle Veazey are making shit up......

[CadaverDawg]

What do you call CJ and CJ being interviewed about their Ole Miss recruitment?

Just random recruitment questioning? Does that happen? Name one more player that has been through that.

I think you make a great point.

I was actually wondering if there was anything out there about the other 40+ players that were interviewed, which is why I asked others the question earlier. A simple, "no" would have sufficed....but instead I had a bunch of people get their panties in a wad for questioning where this info was coming from.

But yes, I agree with you that Chris Jones being questioned makes me think it could be part of an investigation, although it's only considered an interview.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Jesus. Sorry. The guy from Tider Insider SAID the NCAA sent Ole Miss a letter. We get it. No one will believe any rumors pertaining to Ole Miss until they show you guys proof.

I was just asking a question. I have no problem with people believing him, but that particular claim just sounds funny. If he'd claimed "the Bama athletics department has sent a letter to the NCAA detailing the dirty recruiting ractics of Ole Miss", that would be 100% believable because his sources inside the AD could have told him it happened. Maybe it's just a byproduct of what I do everyday, but I'm just curious as to how another school's recruiting website operator knows what came in the mail at a different school?

For the record (or for Flab), I believe that the NCAA is doing some snooping around the Ole Miss football program. And like I said, when its all said and done we are going to find that some of this chatter was spot-on and some of it was just speculation.

[starkvegasdawg]

What do you call CJ and CJ being interviewed about their Ole Miss recruitment?

Just random recruitment questioning? Does that happen? Name one more player that has been through that.

I thought I remember hearing when this story first broke that it was reported that the NCAA routinely questions some of the elite 5* about their recruitment process. How true this is I don't know. I remember Cross on H2H saying it the day it broke and I thought I read it one or two other places to take that for what it is worth. Could just be bears trying to put a positive spin on it.

I really do hope the NCAA lands on that bear neck with both feet and grinds them into the ground. It just baffles me that as blatant as it appears CJ Johnson's recruiting was that it is not more obvious the NCAA is investigating. (i.e. formal LOI). He did all of their investigative legwork for them with his tweets. They didn't even need a Bracky to lay it all out on a silver platter and throw us at their mercy.

[CadaverDawg]

For the record (or for Flab), I believe that the NCAA is doing some snooping around the Ole Miss football program. And like I said, when its all said and done we are going to find that some of this chatter was spot-on and some of it was just speculation.

For the record, this ^ is exactly what I think.

[Political Hack]

I think you make a great point.

I was actually wondering if there was anything out there about the other 40+ players that were interviewed, which is why I asked others the question earlier. A simple, "no" would have sufficed....but instead I had a bunch of people get their panties in a wad for questioning where this info was coming from.

But yes, I agree with you that Chris Jones being questioned makes me think it could be part of an investigation, although it's only considered an interview.

Not 40+ players. 40+ people.

[Coach34]

Serious question: how can the TI guy confirm "it"? Was he cc'd on the letter? Does the NCAA give Bama a courtesy call when they send out letters to other schools?

All we really have is a bunch of people on message boards of schools who lost recruits to Ole Miss saying that all this is happening. .

Because the school in question- Ole Miss- refuses to comment...they also refused to comply to Veazey's request on the emails and failed to turn a bunch of them over. The school that worries about it's image more than any school out there is not going to acknowledge anything until they have to.

[Coach34]

I thought I remember hearing when this story first broke that it was reported that the NCAA routinely questions some of the elite 5* about their recruitment process.
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No- that is OM spin. The NCAA no longer does this.

And to think rationally- why would they interview CJ over 2 years later?

[engie]

So basically, you're saying, I missttated the first time but I'm too proud to admit that we just had a communication error. Instead,mi will continue to spin him as a guy that doesn't respect me and my sources. Shut up with that garbage when if you have read any of my last 4 posts you will know that we obviously weren't on the same page.

Don't get mad at me for reading what you stated the first time and taking it personally. Had you not meant it that way, you should have worded it differently. Because it was BASICALLY "produce sources or you all are just making assumptions and making shit up that the rest of us refuse to believe". Go and reread what you actually posted and tell me exactly how else I was supposed to interpret it.

I thought you were better than this shit, but I guess not.

It's always funny when someone goes there -- while at the very same time doing the exact same thing themselves.

And by the way, not everyone has access to Farley, Paul Jones, etc...so those aren't just public knowledge sites. May want to take that into consideration before trying to act like someone hasn't read up on anything.

And people that don't follow the stuff shouldn't question the people that do when they pass on information of what has been said. See how that works?

This whole argument is basically akin to this:
Word is passed on that Paul Jones says "Recruit X is leaning toward MSU and I expect him to commit soon."
Cadaver says "Someone provide proof. Not message board or blog posts. Otherwise, I can't accept this as a fact."
Everyone says that "all our insiders are saying it and others as well".
Cadaver says "well that doesn't qualify as proof". Then later, "how was I supposed to know that since I don't read their stuff?"

You know it because we just told you... Unless you choose to be defiant on the topic like you have been on this...

Let's just move on.

[CadaverDawg]

Don't get mad at me for reading what you stated the first time and taking it personally. Had you not meant it that way, you should have worded it differently. Because it was BASICALLY "produce sources or you all are just making assumptions and making shit up that the rest of us refuse to believe". Go and reread what you actually posted and tell me exactly how else I was supposed to interpret it.


It's always funny when someone goes there -- while at the very same time doing the exact same thing themselves.


And people that don't follow the stuff shouldn't question the people that do when they pass on information of what has been said. See how that works?

This whole argument is basically akin to this:
Word is passed on that Paul Jones says "Recruit X is leaning toward MSU and I expect him to commit soon."
Cadaver says "Someone provide proof. Not message board or blog posts. Otherwise, I can't accept this as a fact."
Everyone says that "all our insiders are saying it and others as well".
Cadaver says "well that doesn't qualify as proof". Then later, "how was I supposed to know that since I don't read their stuff?"

You know it because we just told you... Unless you choose to be defiant on the topic like you have been on this...

Let's just move on.

No, you Misunderstood. If you read my initial posts, you would know that. And if you didn't use quotes like "we know this" then people would understand that you meant to say "me and my sources" not "the EliteDawgs message board".

And again, don't put words in my mouth to try and portray what I said. I never said I needed proof outside of message board talk...I asked DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROOF OUTSIDE OF THAT. You either A. Can't read, or B. Are trying to spin what I said so that you again don't have to admit the slightest bit of confusion or misunderstanding of what I said.

And for you to question my motives when all I've ever done was back EVERYTHING you said, is bullshit. And most would think, "maybe there's a misunderstanding here, because I am taking this as an attack but I doubt this guy means it that way"....before going off on a troll labeling tangent. Because I never meant it as questioning your beloved sources. I simply wanted to know where the info was coming from. Articles, websites, etc.? Or from your private sources? If you had said, my private sources, then that would have been the end of it and I would have believed it bc I trust your sources from past stuff. But when you are saying "we know this" and "we know that"...I am wanting to know how "we" know it. Because if just "you" know it, it's not "we"

And again, it's ironic that you always want facts and want to quote everybody, yet you are having to say, "basically this is what you said" and proceed to make shit up and put words in my mouth. Knowing that's not what I was saying. But ole Engie can't possibly not get the last word in or have everybody think he was 100% correct and knows everything.


Yes, let's move on.