Saw a post from David Murray about Juco's...

[basedog]

Good job by Dan with Dak. What about the rest of the team? Running backs, o-line, etc.? It still doesn't mean he should get a total pass on this year.

What was the comment about Fitzgerald about? I haven't said anything bad about him this year and he should clearly start. That just seems random.

As I have said several times on here, you have to look at the big picture and not just solely at wins and losses. I don't like the way we're trending. And I don't need nor do I want to deal with 20+ games of Dan not caring to prove me right.

Damn Todd, did you just say don't look at the wins and losses and look at the big picture? Now I know you don't understand football. Dude, Mullen's big picture is the best we have had in our modern time of history.
You are one of the worse negative witch hunters on your dislike for Mullen. You said you know more about our history of football but you failed badly!
That is insane thinking it I should say statement.
Damn!

[Todd4State]

Damn Todd, did you just say don't look at the wins and losses and look at the big picture? Now I know you don't understand football. Dude, Mullen's big picture is the best we have had in our modern time of history.
You are one of the worse negative witch hunters on your dislike for Mullen. You said you know more about our history of football but you failed badly!
That is insane thinking it I should say statement.
Damn!

No. I clearly said you can't look SOLELY at the wins and losses. Wins and losses are part of the big picture- but they aren't the only thing.

[basedog]

No. I clearly said you can't look SOLELY at the wins and losses. Wins and losses are part of the big picture- but they aren't the only thing.

LOL, the agenda lives in you Todd. Winning is the most important thing, losing gets your ass fired. Our overall football history sucks! JWS gave us life and hope, sustained 12 years which is tops. Mullen has taken over a much worse situation than JWS, his big picture is clear as the sky is blue.
I could kick Mullen in the ass, but he is a proven winner and we are one of the worse all time losing programs in the SEC. There is no way and the other agenda guys should be on your witch hunt when we have only played a third of the season.
You are so for off it makes me laugh with you thinking you know such much about our history and the things you say about Mullen. With your thinking we should throw in the towel.
I laugh with your way off statement about winning/losing and the big picture. It's right up there with 34 saying Cohen should be fired after he bunted in the first inning. All Cohen did is win the Sec didn't he. And know back to you and your witch hunt.

[Todd4State]

LOL, the agenda lives in you Todd. Winning is the most important thing, losing gets your ass fired. Our overall football history sucks! JWS gave us life and hope, sustained 12 years which is tops. Mullen has taken over a much worse situation than JWS, his big picture is clear as the sky is blue.
I could kick Mullen in the ass, but he is a proven winner and we are one of the worse all time losing programs in the SEC. There is no way and the other agenda guys should be on your witch hunt when we have only played a third of the season.
You are so for off it makes me laugh with you thinking you know such much about our history and the things you say about Mullen. With your thinking we should throw in the towel.
I laugh with your way off statement about winning/losing and the big picture. It's right up there with 34 saying Cohen should be fired after he bunted in the first inning. All Cohen did is win the Sec didn't he. And know back to you and your witch hunt.

I know our history. I also have perspective on where we are now and what we could be/should be. It should be better than it is now. It's more than just about the past. Just because we were winning the past few years doesn't mean we are reaching our potential. Just like Polk in the 2000's in baseball was winning but not at the level we could and should have been. He had some recruiting issues just like Dan as well.

You'll never understand that because you just look at our history and think that we should suck because "we always have"- yet you call me negative.

[basedog]

I know our history. I also have perspective on where we are now and what we could be/should be. It should be better than it is now. It's more than just about the past. Just because we were winning the past few years doesn't mean we are reaching our potential. Just like Polk in the 2000's in baseball was winning but not at the level we could and should have been. He had some recruiting issues just like Dan as well.

You'll never understand that because you just look at our history and think that we should suck because "we always have"- yet you call me negative.

Not only are you negative, unless u walked the beach and found a bottle and made a wish with Jenny popping out. You sure don't have a clue about our history as you say nor can you predict the future. Pretty arrogant for you to say or think you know what is best. Like I told you earlier, obviously you didn't play a lot of football except your play station as I recall you played in the band. Also you never coached a day in your life so you could never be a Dan Mullen.
As I keep reading your negative post and not giving Mullen any credit, it is so plain you missed your calling with at the Clariin Ledger. U and Fat Boy have a bunch in common!
I've played more sports, I've coached more sports, both at the college level. I will give you credit for playing more play station football as I never have pretended to be a player or coach.

Learn to be more positive when dealing with my school. 4 games isn't the future, 6 straight bowl games is a bright history moment. Some of the few bright moments.

[Really Clark?]

I know our history. I also have perspective on where we are now and what we could be/should be. It should be better than it is now. It's more than just about the past. Just because we were winning the past few years doesn't mean we are reaching our potential. Just like Polk in the 2000's in baseball was winning but not at the level we could and should have been. He had some recruiting issues just like Dan as well.

You'll never understand that because you just look at our history and think that we should suck because "we always have"- yet you call me negative.

So you know more than Byrne? Who told several of us that the pieces are coming together but it was going to take a full generation, the right HC hire and for us to get to $75 MIL annual budget for a decade. If we were lucky we could get there in 10 years. This was to raise our floor to legitimate solid program. If we got a once a lifetime coach help push us to a consistent Top 15 team. And this was before Mullen was hired.

[Cooterpoot]

No. I clearly said you can't look SOLELY at the wins and losses. Wins and losses are part of the big picture- but they aren't the only thing.

Yes they are. Otherwise going 10-0 with a natty could get you fired. See how stupid that sounds? You need to step away from the interwebs for awhile. Mullen isn't getting fired this year. Unless he's caught cracking little kids or something, we aren't going to fire him.

[basedog]

Yes they are. Otherwise going 10-0 with a natty could get you fired. See how stupid that sounds? You need to step away from the interwebs for awhile. Mullen isn't getting fired this year. Unless he's caught cracking little kids or something, we aren't going to fire him.

He just reboots his play station, so losing want eliminate his game.

[basedog]

So you know more than Byrne? Who told several of us that the pieces are coming together but it was going to take a full generation, the right HC hire and for us to get to $75 MIL annual budget for a decade. If we were lucky we could get there in 10 years. This was to raise our floor to legitimate solid program. If we got a once a lifetime coach help push us to a consistent Top 15 team. And this was before Mullen was hired.

He mentioned history of coaches. He went back to the 60's.

Davis was famous for his great line "Catch us if you can" after a 4-0 start, we finished losing 6 straight. Losing record overall.

Shira who I knew very well, good man, bad HC. Losing record overall.

Tyler, may be the craziest coach in our history. Stole the "slush fund mone" then told everyone to turn him in. Put us on probation.

Bellard, won on Tyler's cheating, didn't recruit, may be the most hard headed coach in our history. Losing record overall.

Rocky, way to in-experienced to be a HC, started to recruit at the end but it was to late, loosing record overall.

JWS, The Kang, gave credit to Rocky for leaving him talent, gave our program life, enough said, even overall record.

Croom, let's just leave it at loosing record overall.

Mullen, his record speaks for itself, to be continued.

Looking back even further it's not much better. In saying that, Todd has the answers to solve our problems, go figure?

[Johnson85]

Yes they are. Otherwise going 10-0 with a natty could get you fired. See how stupid that sounds? You need to step away from the interwebs for awhile. Mullen isn't getting fired this year. Unless he's caught cracking little kids or something, we aren't going to fire him.

That doesn't make sense (aside from the part about getting a natty while only playing 10 games). Going undefeated and winning a natty is enough to trump everything else in teh big picture, but the way to show that wins and losses are the only thing is to show that nothing is looked at other than wins and losses, which is obviously wrong. There are lots of situations where the wins aren't there, but there other signs that things are improving or good that justify a coach keeping his job. Bert didn't have the wins his first few years, but the program was doing ok otherwise, and he was on a good trend. Stansbury wouldn't have gotten fired solely for wins and losses, but he had significant discipline problesm with his team and didn't really have a feasible path to fix it.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

He mentioned history of coaches. He went back to the 60's.

Davis was famous for his great line "Catch us if you can" after a 4-0 start, we finished losing 6 straight. Losing record overall.

Shira who I knew very well, good man, bad HC. Losing record overall.

Tyler, may be the craziest coach in our history. Stole the "slush fund mone" then told everyone to turn him in. Put us on probation.

Bellard, won on Tyler's cheating, didn't recruit, may be the most hard headed coach in our history. Losing record overall.

Rocky, way to in-experienced to be a HC, started to recruit at the end but it was to late, loosing record overall.

JWS, The Kang, gave credit to Rocky for leaving him talent, gave our program life, enough said, even overall record.

Croom, let's just leave it at loosing record overall.

Mullen, his record speaks for itself, to be continued.

Looking back even further it's not much better. In saying that, Todd has the answers to solve our problems, go figure?

So were those just bad hires or did we trip over our own dicks for 40 years or both?

[basedog]

So were those just bad hires or did we trip over our own dicks for 40 years or both?

I think the records and what I said speaks volumes. When Mullen is done we will open up a new chapter, but for now he is the best over this time frame but yet some think we can do better. When we get to the point we can hire a AD for $1.06 million, and weight and conditioning Coach $600K, wake me up. Bottom line, whether Mullen is burn out or wants out, he still is our Coach, I'm for letting the season play out as I don't have a Jenny in the bottle like someone else. But I do know winning is good and running a clean program is good. He also handles discipline very well, very seldom do you read about our players in trouble, it happens not much compared to most.

[Cooterpoot]

That doesn't make sense (aside from the part about getting a natty while only playing 10 games). Going undefeated and winning a natty is enough to trump everything else in teh big picture, but the way to show that wins and losses are the only thing is to show that nothing is looked at other than wins and losses, which is obviously wrong. There are lots of situations where the wins aren't there, but there other signs that things are improving or good that justify a coach keeping his job. Bert didn't have the wins his first few years, but the program was doing ok otherwise, and he was on a good trend. Stansbury wouldn't have gotten fired solely for wins and losses, but he had significant discipline problesm with his team and didn't really have a feasible path to fix it.

How long was Stansbury here? He was given a very long time and he wasn't making the NCAA tournament. That's a crazy argument.
Wins are all that matter. It's whether or not 8 wins are good enough or 10 wins are required etc. And having one bad season isn't grounds for firing Mullen. Now if next year sucks, we can talk. But this year, he's not getting fired. Hell, Briles almost survived the problems at Baylor because of the wins. Just got to be too much. UM isn't firing Freeze for cheating unless the NCAA basically requires them to. Why? because of the wins.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I think the records and what I said speaks volumes. When Mullen is done we will open up a new chapter, but for now he is the best over this time frame but yet some think we can do better. When we get to the point we can hire a AD for $1.06 million, and weight and conditioning Coach $600K, wake me up. Bottom line, whether Mullen is burn out or wants out, he still is our Coach, I'm for letting the season play out as I don't have a Jenny in the bottle like someone else. But I do know winning is good and running a clean program is good. He also handles discipline very well, very seldom do you read about our players in trouble, it happens not much compared to most.

I agree with most of that, but I still think we handicapped ourselves a good bit too. I really hope with the influx of Juco's that your last sentence doesn't change.

[basedog]

I agree with most of that, but I still think we handicapped ourselves a good bit too. I really hope with the influx of Juco's that your last sentence doesn't change.

And I agree, we have handicapped ourselves.

[maroonmania]

He mentioned history of coaches. He went back to the 60's.

Davis was famous for his great line "Catch us if you can" after a 4-0 start, we finished losing 6 straight. Losing record overall.

Shira who I knew very well, good man, bad HC. Losing record overall.

Tyler, may be the craziest coach in our history. Stole the "slush fund mone" then told everyone to turn him in. Put us on probation.

Bellard, won on Tyler's cheating, didn't recruit, may be the most hard headed coach in our history. Losing record overall.

Rocky, way to in-experienced to be a HC, started to recruit at the end but it was to late, loosing record overall.

JWS, The Kang, gave credit to Rocky for leaving him talent, gave our program life, enough said, even overall record.

Croom, let's just leave it at loosing record overall.

Mullen, his record speaks for itself, to be continued.

Looking back even further it's not much better. In saying that, Todd has the answers to solve our problems, go figure?

The only thing I will mention that has helped Mullen during this period in the SEC that gives him a slight advantage (over other coaches we've had in our history) is that it is now absolutely easier to win OOC games than it has ever been. Still as hard as ever to win in the conference but now you have a really great shot to be 4-0 OOC. It certainly didn't used to be that way at MSU but rising tides in the SEC lifts all boats and has given us advantages over regional teams not in the SEC that we have never had. Now the rule that is forcing us to play one P5 team OOC is certainly going to hurt in that area going forward but we've had a couple of years where Mullen has been able to use a 4-0 OOC record to go along with a 2-6 SEC record and still make a bowl. In years past those would have been 5-6 seasons or worse before the 12 game schedule and the extra advantages we have against OOC teams.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

The only thing I will mention that has helped Mullen during this period in the SEC that gives him a slight advantage (over other coaches we've had in our history) is that it is now absolutely easier to win OOC games than it has ever been. Still as hard as ever to win in the conference but now you have a really great shot to be 4-0 OOC. It certainly didn't used to be that way at MSU but rising tides in the SEC lifts all boats and has given us advantages over regional teams not in the SEC that we have never had. Now the rule that is forcing us to play one P5 team OOC is certainly going to hurt in that area going forward but we've had a couple of years where Mullen has been able to use a 4-0 OOC record to go along with a 2-6 SEC record and still make a bowl. In years past those would have been 5-6 seasons or worse before the 12 game schedule and the extra advantages we have against OOC teams.

Something else I just thought about to add...we went from November 3, 1962 to November 1, 1986 without playing Bama in Starkville. That's almost 25 years without an on campus home game!!! From 1960 to 1992, we played in Baton Rouge 21 times, with 7 straight in the 60's. We stopped playing them on campus in 1923 and didn't return to Starkville until 1982. I could go on and on with examples of this....

[Really Clark?]

The only thing I will mention that has helped Mullen during this period in the SEC that gives him a slight advantage (over other coaches we've had in our history) is that it is now absolutely easier to win OOC games than it has ever been. Still as hard as ever to win in the conference but now you have a really great shot to be 4-0 OOC. It certainly didn't used to be that way at MSU but rising tides in the SEC lifts all boats and has given us advantages over regional teams not in the SEC that we have never had. Now the rule that is forcing us to play one P5 team OOC is certainly going to hurt in that area going forward but we've had a couple of years where Mullen has been able to use a 4-0 OOC record to go along with a 2-6 SEC record and still make a bowl. In years past those would have been 5-6 seasons or worse before the 12 game schedule and the extra advantages we have against OOC teams.

So tired of this OOC argument. Before 1970 we played 10 reg season games a year (I know earlier it was less but for time sake). Only 5-6 of those games were SEC for the bulk of the 60's, twice played 7 SEC games I think Tulane was the SEC team. We played non majors like Richmond, La Tech, Tampa, Samford, and Arkansas St and a weak Ind USM, nearly every year we had those type of teams on schedule.

Then from 1970-1991 we went to an 11 game reg season. Only 6-7 of those were SEC games. So again, 4-5 OOC. Nearly every season in the 1970's and for several of the 80's we played a non major or extremely weak DI. Sometimes both.

1992 started the 8 SEC game seasons. We still had weak OOC games. Ark State, ULM, East Tenn, etc. So I don't see the advantage Mullen has had getting to play 8 conference teams a season when some years we only played 5. The going to a 12 game schedule vs 10 didn't add OOC games, it added conference games.

[Jarius]

So tired of this OOC argument. Before 1970 we played 10 reg season games a year (I know earlier it was less but for time sake). Only 5-6 of those games were SEC for the bulk of the 60's, twice played 7 SEC games I think Tulane was the SEC team. We played non majors like Richmond, La Tech, Tampa, Samford, and Arkansas St and a weak Ind USM, nearly every year we had those type of teams on schedule.

Then from 1970-1991 we went to an 11 game reg season. Only 6-7 of those were SEC games. So again, 4-5 OOC. Nearly every season in the 1970's and for several of the 80's we played a non major or extremely weak DI. Sometimes both.

1992 started the 8 SEC game seasons. We still had weak OOC games. Ark State, ULM, East Tenn, etc. So I don't see the advantage Mullen has had getting to play 8 conference teams a season when some years we only played 5. The going to a 12 game schedule vs 10 didn't add OOC games, it added conference games.

We now have huge advantages over those non power 5 teams that we are playing whereas we used to have some advantages over them but it wasn't as big. When we play any team that isn't power 5 in 2016 and we should skull drag them. We have a much bigger budget, much better facilities, and coaches that should be way out of their league and that should cause us to have way better players. It hasn't always been that way.

Also, money is becoming less and less of a factor between us and the rest of the conference, even though we are still at the bottom of the league money wise. Once you get to the point to where the entire conference is income wise, money should not be a crutch argument that we use to accept mediocrity. Prestige? Yea that is still an issue. Our 120 yeas of sucking? Yea that still haunts us. Our small state with 2 SEC schools? Yea that's a factor. Money really isn't that huge of a deal right now. We have great facilities, great coaches, and great stadiums.

[basedog]

I can tell you when things started getting somewhat better, the hiring of Dr Z, then we went down some with the next few Prez. Now with Keenum we have gotten up again.

Also, the Sec back in the early years wasn't the power house it is today. I could care less how or who we beat, winning trumps losing everyday, all day and everytime. Mullen has probably the best all time record in Msu history for victories against OOC foes. He probably has close to the most Sec wins, he is the only one to take us to 6 straight bowls. His record speaks for itself, period, you haters can twist all you want but it is what it is, facts!

P.S. very soon Mullen will either be fired or get another job, when he does, the agenda will be, I told you so. Mark it down.