Saw a post from David Murray about Juco's...

[Really Clark?]

If he goes 6-6 next year he should be fired no matter what. Man our fan base loves mediocrity.

So you would have fired Saban at Michigan St?

[CadaverDawg]

Mediocrity?

2014 was the best season in Mississippi history for a team not going down for cheating. This is the best run in program history. We just lost the starting QB for the Cowboys. This ISNT mediocre! We will never be Bama or LSU...but with consistency we can sneak up and beat them every 4-5 years on our way to 9-10 wins from time to time.

Dan pisses me off A LOT, but we are far from mediocre for a school with our budget, size, location, & competition surrounding us. We are OVERachieving since Mullen arrived, don't kid yourselves. And this is coming from a guy that wants to punch Mullen at least a handful of times each Saturday. At MSU we don't have to settle for 6-6 or 5-7, but we have to know that's going to happen every 5-6 years give or take. Having multiple 9+ win seasons in a 7 year span is HUGE for us. Don't get greedy and send us back into the abyss unless we KNOW 100% Dan has lost it. We aren't there yet and everybody knows it.

You wanna know who takes a job at MSU if Mullen's tenure plus 5-7 or 6-6 gets him fired?? Nobody worth a damn, bc that's a death sentence. There will always be 5-7 or 6-6 at MSU. Reloading is not an option. It just isn't. Unless we want what colonel reb has comin.

I know it's aggravating watching us lose to USA & struggle with UMass, but take a deep breath, look at our situation as a whole, and at least give the man a full season to turn it around. We know he's capable. If he doesn't show signs of fixing it as of this time next season,these comments will be justified. But not now.

[dawgday166]

It has to do with the 10 point grading scale. Hell in the 90's a 69 was an F. Today 59 is a F and 60 is a D. 90 was a B and now it's an A.

THIS ^^^^ is why we lose to the Bears. Dan is recruiting kids that are graded on the 10 pt scale and have to pass the ACT to get into college. Freeze is recruiting kids that are so smart they don't have to take the ACT to get into college. They be smarter than our kids ****

[Todd4State]

C'mon Todd, you are on a witch hunt! Let the games play out, Dan has done way more good than bad! Geez! You can't find anything positive to say, plus you are like a broken record with the negative comments. You must be on the damn payroll for the agenda. Surely you aren't correct with every negative comment about Dan. Dan hasn't quit, he has made mistakes, I don't think Dan has quit, that would be crazy for a coach who wants out!

We'll see how it goes. October is very big for Dan- and potentially even bigger now that Scott is gone. I think Dan is mainly still here because of the money and the fact he couldn't find anyone to pay him what we are.

[dawgday166]

So you would have fired Saban at Michigan St?

Listened to Mike Detillier on Out of Bounds today. Was talking about how a coach at LSU owns the state of Louisiana in recruiting. He said he had many, many conversations with Nick about why he left Mich. St. Saban told him he left cause he could never be #1 in recruiting in his own state at Mich. St., and he wanted to be #1 in his own state.

So to answer your question .... YEP.

[Todd4State]

Obviously you haven't looked into our history very well. How many winning coaches have we had over 100 years of football. If winning is so easy at Msu I would think we would have had a much better won/lost record, 100 plus years Todd!

I know our history very well- better than most. I?m a history nut. And one thing about history is you can either use it as an excuse or you can use it to learn.

I think the main reason why our history has been bad is because we have mismanaged the program over the years and it has just carried over because of the prevailing attitude of ?we can?t? rather than ?how do we fix it??

We should look at our mistakes and then learn from them and improve them. Two major themes stick out if you look at our history- poor scheduling decision especially selling off home games to people like LSU and Florida forcing us to play them on the road and the other one is??hanging on to a failing coach too long.

We?ve corrected the scheduling issue for the most part. We?ll see if we learn from our past mistake of holding on to coaches too long. From what it appears for the most part we haven?t. Which is sad.

[Todd4State]

Mediocrity?

2014 was the best season in Mississippi history for a team not going down for cheating. This is the best run in program history. We just lost the starting QB for the Cowboys. This ISNT mediocre! We will never be Bama or LSU...but with consistency we can sneak up and beat them every 4-5 years on our way to 9-10 wins from time to time.

Dan pisses me off A LOT, but we are far from mediocre for a school with our budget, size, location, & competition surrounding us. We are OVERachieving since Mullen arrived, don't kid yourselves. And this is coming from a guy that wants to punch Mullen at least a handful of times each Saturday. At MSU we don't have to settle for 6-6 or 5-7, but we have to know that's going to happen every 5-6 years give or take. Having multiple 9+ win seasons in a 7 year span is HUGE for us. Don't get greedy and send us back into the abyss unless we KNOW 100% Dan has lost it. We aren't there yet and everybody knows it.

You wanna know who takes a job at MSU if Mullen's tenure plus 5-7 or 6-6 gets him fired?? Nobody worth a damn, bc that's a death sentence. There will always be 5-7 or 6-6 at MSU. Reloading is not an option. It just isn't. Unless we want what colonel reb has comin.

I know it's aggravating watching us lose to USA & struggle with UMass, but take a deep breath, look at our situation as a whole, and at least give the man a full season to turn it around. We know he's capable. If he doesn't show signs of fixing it as of this time next season,these comments will be justified. But not now.

Here's the thing.

We had a team that should have won 11 games last year including the bowl. We won 9. Dak masked a LOT of things last year that aren’t getting masked now. Without Dak we’re probably 6-6 at best last year.

So, essentially because of Dak, Dan is getting a pass on last year from most of our fans. Unfortunately that is only going to likely end up tacking on a year of misery if our “rational” fans get their way.

I don’t see how anyone can look at our team and how they have performed and objectively say that things look like they are going to get better. We haven’t even really played a good team yet aside from LSU and despite the score they dominated us.

We'll worry about getting a coach when the time comes. I think we'll be OK because of what we can offer. There aren't very many SEC jobs that come open every year.

[Really Clark?]

Listened to Mike Detillier on Out of Bounds today. Was talking about how a coach at LSU owns the state of Louisiana in recruiting. He said he had many, many conversations with Nick about why he left Mich. St. Saban told him he left cause he could never be #1 in recruiting in his own state at Mich. St., and he wanted to be #1 in his own state.

So to answer your question .... YEP.

Glad you are honest about it and history is glad the Michigan St AD had more sense.

[dawgday166]

Glad you are honest about it and history is glad the Michigan St AD had more sense.

Saban didn't want to be there (sound familiar). I think they're pretty happy with Dantonio. He's done far better than Saban did there. And he seems to like it there pretty good too. Not saying he won't leave.

ETA: Not everyone is the right fit for a particular job.

[Really Clark?]

Saban didn't want to be there (sound familiar). I think they're pretty happy with Dantonio. He's done far better than Saban did there. And he seems to like it there pretty good too. Not saying he won't leave.

Saban did leave after his 5th year of one 9 win season. His prior 4 he won 6, 6, 7, and 6 games. It then took them 7 years to get to Dantonio. He didn't follow Saban and picked up where he left off. They had 2 winning seasons afterward. Unless a coach losses the team or has a scandal, the stats show that changing coaches in that circumstance at poor or especially average schools the new guy fails even worse. You back to your historic average or worse more times than not. The AD understood and trusted he had the right guy in Saban even though he was hard to work with (none of his coaches wanted to go with him to LSU even though he sent a plane for the ones who wanted to).

[Boya]

Mullen's roster mgt is his weak linl

[dawgday166]

Saban did leave after his 5th year of one 9 win season. His prior 4 he won 6, 6, 7, and 6 games. It then took them 7 years to get to Dantonio. He didn't follow Saban and picked up where he left off. They had 2 winning seasons afterward. Unless a coach losses the team or has a scandal, the stats show that changing coaches in that circumstance at poor or especially average schools the new guy fails even worse. You back to your historic average or worse more times than not. The AD understood and trusted he had the right guy in Saban even though he was hard to work with (none of his coaches wanted to go with him to LSU even though he sent a plane for the ones who wanted to).

I will defer to your knowledge on this.

So here's where I'm coming to for right now (unless the season really tanks ... and I'm not sure what that is at the moment ha). Since the CFB coaching landscape will more than likely be littered with has been or never was coaches next year that are fired after this year, I'm leaning toward giving Mullen another year. Maybe 2 unless we can get a quality proven head coach (sorta like an Urban Meyer was before FL ... Someone like Herman would work too, although he be either gone or staying at Houston I'm thinking). A lot of good coaches are gonna get snatched up next year by other teams, and some historic powers at that.

Now if we lose another DC, Dan would be on borrowed time with me until I could find said type of coach mentioned above.

[basedog]

We'll see how it goes. October is very big for Dan- and potentially even bigger now that Scott is gone. I think Dan is mainly still here because of the money and the fact he couldn't find anyone to pay him what we are.

Thank you!

[basedog]

Here's the thing.

We had a team that should have won 11 games last year including the bowl. We won 9. Dak masked a LOT of things last year that aren’t getting masked now. Without Dak we’re probably 6-6 at best last year.

So, essentially because of Dak, Dan is getting a pass on last year from most of our fans. Unfortunately that is only going to likely end up tacking on a year of misery if our “rational” fans get their way.

I don’t see how anyone can look at our team and how they have performed and objectively say that things look like they are going to get better. We haven’t even really played a good team yet aside from LSU and despite the score they dominated us.

We'll worry about getting a coach when the time comes. I think we'll be OK because of what we can offer. There aren't very many SEC jobs that come open every year.

There you go again, all negative. Shoulda coulda is just talk, 9 wins are good and winning a bowl. The Lsu game is or was a 60 minute contest, I don't think they scored in the second half, no they did not dominate us, they won cause they were more talented. Shoulda coulda is also by two terrible calls.
We are 2-2, isn't always pretty but we lost 2 games by 4 points total, that tells me one more play on either game and we are 4-0. That's how it looks on the positive side, but just like your negative witch hunt the reality is we are even at this point.
As for as history, you again don't get it all correct, fact again is we have had over 100 years to get thing right, seems Mullen is one of a very few to know how to do it and you keep saying we need a change and we aren't even half way done with this season. As Mr Wonderful likes to say Todd, "Stop the madness".
Way too much negative talk!

[Todd4State]

There you go again, all negative. Shoulda coulda is just talk, 9 wins are good and winning a bowl. The Lsu game is or was a 60 minute contest, I don't think they scored in the second half, no they did not dominate us, they won cause they were more talented. Shoulda coulda is also by two terrible calls.
We are 2-2, isn't always pretty but we lost 2 games by 4 points total, that tells me one more play on either game and we are 4-0. That's how it looks on the positive side, but just like your negative witch hunt the reality is we are even at this point.
As for as history, you again don't get it all correct, fact again is we have had over 100 years to get thing right, seems Mullen is one of a very few to know how to do it and you keep saying we need a change and we aren't even half way done with this season. As Mr Wonderful likes to say Todd, "Stop the madness".
Way too much negative talk!

LSU dominated us. The score doesn't indicate that but anyone that actually watched the game that is honest with themselves knows that is the case. We scored on their prevent defense, recovered an onside kick and scored again on their prevent defense. After we stopped them they turned up the heat again and we went three and out. I'm being honest based on what I saw. And that was a team with a lame duck coach and a QB telling other players to leave on twitter.

We've actually had a lot more "right" than a lot of people realize. Paul Davis went to a Liberty Bowl and had his DC poached by Bear Bryant and Ken Donahue was a big reason for Bama's success while the Bear was there. Shira was pretty bad but still managed to go 6-5. I'd say he is the worst coach we had the past 50 years. Tyler won 9 games twice. Bellard won 9 and 8 and scored our biggest win in school history, Felker went 6-5, Jackie's success is well documented including a SEC West Title and the 1999 season where we won 10, Croom even went to and won 8 with a Liberty Bowl title, and Dan has had several 8-9 win seasons.

What's negative is saying "well, we're MSU and we're going to have down seasons. At least it's not 1969- I remember how bad that was." We need more fans holding our coaches accountable instead of giving them passes and hoping that maybe they can turn it around because Frank Beamer did it once and we might have the next Frank Beamer. What's also negative is saying "Well we won't be able to hire anyone good if we fire Dan because it will look bad if we fire him". For all we know Keenum might have someone Ben Howland esque lined up and we don't know about it yet.

And if Dan actually makes changes- I'll give him all the credit in the world for doing so. I gave him full credit for the first half of South Carolina. And if this season ends up 5-7 or 6-6 there better be some changes- and I'm not talking about Sirmon. I am talking about Hevesy being gone.

[dawgday166]

Mullen's roster mgt is his weak linl

Close game management sux too. Don't think we'll have to worry about that much this year tho ******

[basedog]

[QUOTE=Todd4State;621435]LSU dominated us. The score doesn't indicate that but anyone that actually watched the game that is honest with themselves knows that is the case. We scored on their prevent defense, recovered an onside kick and scored again on their prevent defense. After we stopped them they turned up the heat again and we went three and out. I'm being honest based on what I saw. And that was a team with a lame duck coach and a QB telling other players to leave on twitter.

We've actually had a lot more "right" than a lot of people realize. Paul Davis went to a Liberty Bowl and had his DC poached by Bear Bryant and Ken Donahue was a big reason for Bama's success while the Bear was there. Shira was pretty bad but still managed to go 6-5. I'd say he is the worst coach we had the past 50 years. Tyler won 9 games twice. Bellard won 9 and 8 and scored our biggest win in school history, Felker went 6-5, Jackie's success is well documented including a SEC West Title and the 1999 season where we won 10, Croom even went to and won 8 with a Liberty Bowl title, and Dan has had several 8-9 win seasons.

What's negative is saying "well, we're MSU and we're going to have down seasons. At least it's not 1969- I remember how bad that was." We need more fans holding our coaches accountable instead of giving them passes and hoping that maybe they can turn it around because Frank Beamer did it once and we might have the next Frank Beamer. What's also negative is saying "Well we won't be able to hire anyone good if we fire Dan because it will look bad if we fire him". For all we know Keenum might have someone Ben Howland esque lined up and we don't know about it yet.

And if Dan actually makes changes- I'll give him all the credit in the world for doing so. I gave him full credit for the first half of South Carolina. And if this season ends up 5-7 or 6-6 there better be some changes- and I'm not talking about Sirmon. I am talking about Hevesy being gone.[/QUOTE


Lsu was being Lsu Todd. They weren't preventing nothing on offense. They were held to 122 yards, total. Football is a game of 60 minutes not 56, we lost by 3 points. You are wrong
Tyler got fired because he went crazy, he deserved it. Davis was a one hit wonder, JWS was burn out no doubt. But it was time to go.
Mullen is in a different league compared to our past
Put the play station down, u are pretty good at baseball, but football ain't your thing. You obviously didn't play the game long enough and I know you never coached. Being a so called arm chair is no expert.
All this negative stuff because we are 2 plays from being 4-0.

[Todd4State]

[QUOTE=basedog;621455]

LSU dominated us. The score doesn't indicate that but anyone that actually watched the game that is honest with themselves knows that is the case. We scored on their prevent defense, recovered an onside kick and scored again on their prevent defense. After we stopped them they turned up the heat again and we went three and out. I'm being honest based on what I saw. And that was a team with a lame duck coach and a QB telling other players to leave on twitter.

We've actually had a lot more "right" than a lot of people realize. Paul Davis went to a Liberty Bowl and had his DC poached by Bear Bryant and Ken Donahue was a big reason for Bama's success while the Bear was there. Shira was pretty bad but still managed to go 6-5. I'd say he is the worst coach we had the past 50 years. Tyler won 9 games twice. Bellard won 9 and 8 and scored our biggest win in school history, Felker went 6-5, Jackie's success is well documented including a SEC West Title and the 1999 season where we won 10, Croom even went to and won 8 with a Liberty Bowl title, and Dan has had several 8-9 win seasons.

What's negative is saying "well, we're MSU and we're going to have down seasons. At least it's not 1969- I remember how bad that was." We need more fans holding our coaches accountable instead of giving them passes and hoping that maybe they can turn it around because Frank Beamer did it once and we might have the next Frank Beamer. What's also negative is saying "Well we won't be able to hire anyone good if we fire Dan because it will look bad if we fire him". For all we know Keenum might have someone Ben Howland esque lined up and we don't know about it yet.

And if Dan actually makes changes- I'll give him all the credit in the world for doing so. I gave him full credit for the first half of South Carolina. And if this season ends up 5-7 or 6-6 there better be some changes- and I'm not talking about Sirmon. I am talking about Hevesy being gone.[/QUOTE


Lsu was being Lsu Todd. They weren't preventing nothing on offense. They were held to 122 yards, total. Football is a game of 60 minutes not 56, we lost by 3 points. You are wrong
Tyler got fired because he went crazy, he deserved it. Davis was a one hit wonder, JWS was burn out no doubt. But it was time to go.
Mullen is in a different league compared to our past
Put the play station down, u are pretty good at baseball, but football ain't your thing. You obviously didn't play the game long enough and I know you never coached. Being a so called arm chair is no expert.
All this negative stuff because we are 2 plays from being 4-0.

Tyler was fired because we were on probation. You telling me that us keeping it close against LSU counts but the success of our coaches doesn't count is ironic at best. I'm pretty sure some of the former coaches on here will back up my assessment of the LSU game.

Again, time will tell if I am right or not. I do remember saying last year that Dan likely wouldn't start caring again- and so far I have been mostly right about that. Mostly as in other than one half this year.

[CadaverDawg]

Here's the thing.

We had a team that should have won 11 games last year including the bowl. We won 9. Dak masked a LOT of things last year that aren’t getting masked now. Without Dak we’re probably 6-6 at best last year.

So, essentially because of Dak, Dan is getting a pass on last year from most of our fans. Unfortunately that is only going to likely end up tacking on a year of misery if our “rational” fans get their way.

I don’t see how anyone can look at our team and how they have performed and objectively say that things look like they are going to get better. We haven’t even really played a good team yet aside from LSU and despite the score they dominated us.

We'll worry about getting a coach when the time comes. I think we'll be OK because of what we can offer. There aren't very many SEC jobs that come open every year.

How about the fact that without Dan we wouldn't have ever seen Dak Prescott at MSU. And because of Dan's ability to develop QB's, Dak was what he was at MSU and is now a NFL QB instead of a business man that played TE at a P5 school but never amounted to much.

You want to say "without Dak, Dan sucks"....but want to ignore the "without Dan, who is Dak?"

Plus, Mullen has always developed QB's well....wanna give him more than 3-4 games into Fitz's soph year before giving up on him this time?

I'm not saying Mullen won't earn the hot seat. I'm saying he is not close to it yet, nor should he be. Teams have down years and rebuilding years after losing a transcendent player....especially teams like MSU. We can't just scrap every coach that has a losing season or loses to Ole Miss.

You wanna say Hev & Knox should be gone? Sallach maybe? I can start joining you in your thinking......but Mullen? No. It is nowhere near time to force Mullen out.

[Todd4State]

How about the fact that without Dan we wouldn't have ever seen Dak Prescott at MSU. And because of Dan's ability to develop QB's, Dak was what he was at MSU and is now a NFL QB instead of a business man that played TE at a P5 school but never amounted to much.

You want to say "without Dak, Dan sucks"....but want to ignore the "without Dan, who is Dak?"

Plus, Mullen has always developed QB's well....wanna give him more than 3-4 games into Fitz's soph year before giving up on him this time?

I'm not saying Mullen won't earn the hot seat. I'm saying he is not close to it yet, nor should he be. Teams have down years and rebuilding years after losing a transcendent player....especially teams like MSU. We can't just scrap every coach that has a losing season or loses to Ole Miss.

Good job by Dan with Dak. What about the rest of the team? Running backs, o-line, etc.? It still doesn't mean he should get a total pass on this year.

What was the comment about Fitzgerald about? I haven't said anything bad about him this year and he should clearly start. That just seems random.

As I have said several times on here, you have to look at the big picture and not just solely at wins and losses. I don't like the way we're trending. And I don't need nor do I want to deal with 20+ games of Dan not caring to prove me right.